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jadelyn007:
sorry bro, he's a christian, nt a pagan.n obviously believes those vows if nt he wouldnt have to come to nairaland, he would have married her a longtime ago.

By the way, how forefathers didn't commit adultery, it was polygamy. So he should married the secretary directly instead of impregnating her without following the traditional customary law. So he's wrong on all counts.

Not that I support polygamy for him

Why would you quote me just to say this?

Anyway. ..to right the wrongs. ..he must marry her

jadelyn007:
excuse me
How dare you talk about what african culture dictates
African culture taught us to be true to our words and Op wasn't true to his words/vows. He swore to be faithful to her that was why she married him in the first place. So don't you dare bring african culture into this.
He swore for better,for worse in church!!! Not in a shrine. Kumuyi's church for that matter.

Why should any sane African man swear in a church? Marital vows should be between the couple making their own terms of the relationship...even family members don't have to bud in

Ur church vow thing is staged, nobody puts that in mind. ..we all just say "Yes. .I do" because we seen it no TV ... the real vow is between them...something probably made months before the wedding


Is it not all this church vows that lead to the long row of divorce cases each day in the western world?

ProphetUdeme:
ha ha. Macof you don come again. You sef. I wonder how you really admire and prefer your cultural heritage than our religion Christianity

Its very simple really.

Lemme use this very basic analogy ...

You have a very nice wife that you married yourself, one who has always been doing whatever YOU NEEDED her to do..she can be hard headed at times but all you have achieved - including the peace and tolerance in your house is due to her . Now would you prefer a wife that some STRANGER comes to "sell" to you. .. A wife that orders you around, telling you to do things that a Man shouldn't be doing after forcing you to drive your former wife away on "unproven" grounds of witchcraft and cannibalism.. .a wife that takes portion of your food to the strangers that brought her...yet because of this wife no peace with you and your family, she is so foreign she doesn't understand a thing but condemns everything

Which would you prefer?

9jacrip:
Thank you for the Qs bro.

Below are the answers:

1. Not as the crown keeper. Oduduwa met Obatala and other powerful folks in Ife. He (Obatala) was the most powerful and apparent leader at that point with whom Oduduwa had a severe face-off with (that has created one of the eewos that both families observe till today). Obatala at a point had the Ade Are but during the conflict, Oduduwa commamded it off of his head and was exiled along with his wife and offsprings but was later sought for and appeased. Summarily, he was supposed to be the King but lost out, in order to recognize his status as the most powerful figure of that period, he wears the crown before any new Ooni.

2. We once talked about this and I was supposed to get back to you. Idita means 'Idi meta' that I mentioned in one of my earlier posts. It include Ilesun, Ilale and Balea (Balea has merged into Ilale) and now we have just Ilesun and Ilale. Idita is Iranje Ile and the present day Igbo Itapa was Iranje Oko. The site of Obatala's palace at Iranje Ile @ Idita is called Igbo-Ogbe/Igbo Orisa and is still in existence and occupied by the Oloja Iranje (the overall head/the king of both Iranjes), picked from the blood line of any of the Idita houses.

3. Obatala was de facto King of every autochthonous peoples of Ife - the Ugbo inclusive. He was born in Ilu awon Ugbo (when Ugbo held sway before Ife was given its name 'Ife'). He became king in Iranje, one of the independent hamlets that constituted Ife during the pre-oduduwa period.

Thank you for the reply

1. OK but wearing the crown doesn't equate running the affairs of Ile-Ife. ...doesn't it?

2. Am still confused....is Iranje(-ile) a yard within Idita? Or the original name for the entire land owned by all 3 Idita lineages?
I never knew there were 2 Iranjes. .but I think I understand...I've noticed important and rich families back in the days have residential quaters and more land elsewhere to cultivate

3. If "Ilu awon Ugbo" has been among the autonomous communities in Pre-oduduwa era. where in Ile-Ife today constituted this land? I imagine it should be an important part of the Obatala cult. ..being Obatala's birthplace

I see there are many fools here using foreign concepts( ie. Christianity) to judge this


Ask yourself what does your tradition dictate? Surely being African, you can get a second wife. ... especially with the excuse of the first wife being barren.

Your first wife should remain your first, mother of the house. ..nothing should change that. ..if the pregnant one outside can't deal with it then take your child and leave her

Best you still try all available means to having a child with your first wife. ..never give up on that

elnino3:
Is it wrong for a woman to marry a second husband if the first one cannot impregnate her?

1. To be honest I don't see anything wrong with this. ..sure adultery is involved but I think if the man can't give her a child she should be allowed to a man who can

kingston277:
I think countries like Oman and Saudi Arabia should be noted as extreme but good examples. SA won't even let their women drive, so why are they home to the 21st centuries greastest engineering feat? Why does tradition-bound Oman make westernized, Christianized Nigeria look like a ransacked jungle?

Exactly! You notice countries that operate on their own values are progressive too. . Traditions don't determine your economic state. . Ultimately all people want economic growth and political stability, hence whatever practice they engage in is fit for them. ..they don't need external forces telling them what to do

bezimo:
Please stop wasting your time engaging him further, he lacks the required devine illumination of the mind to comprehend the obvious truth you are trying to pass into his head that seem seriously confused, his mind needs help but he doesnt know it, so he argues blindly and is in perharps a covenant with those rubbish Idols never to change and embrace a progressive way of life. So one is not surprised at all.

Why try to go behind my back and spew rubbish about me?
I am not afraid to engage you but you obviously lack the intellectual capacity to do likewise.

Being a firm believer in africanism is now association with idols and lack of progression?
I would like to know how the white and arab butt licking you do has given you and the continent at large a progressive life

Fulaboy:
Good they're really trying but can you speak the language? I mean how do you watch the movies when I know you're not hausa

Subtitles bruv

9jacrip

I have 3 questions

1. You said after the passing of an Ooni/Olufe, Obatala wears the crown. ..as what? Acting Olufe or merely a crown keeper? Does he begin to run the affairs of Ile-Ife?

2. Am still confused over the relationship between Idita and Iranje. . We know Obatala was Oba of Iranje but it seems nobody knows where Iranje is today

3. What is the connection between Obatala and the Ugbo people? I have heard a babalawo chant "a bi l'ode Ugbo o lo j'oba l'ode Iranje"
And many "historians" claim Obatala had conived with the Ugbo in their many attempts against Ife

Beautiful

Please can you tell us the Oriki of Obatala

Bonapart:
you're lost my brother... you need salvation

Just answer my question sir.
Maybe I can be found if you try hard enough

Fulaboy:
some hausa movies are cool tho you can try them most especially comedy. You can get one with english subtitle

Yes hausa movies are beautiful. I love the richness of the hausa language and the knowledge of the cast
You hardly hear english words in their sentences. ..they give pure hausa

Bonapart:
how he promise to multiply the seeds of Abraham and he did.... how he sent His only son to redeem us by His blood and restore salvation to the world of which am also a minister.... orunmila and his past servants are burning in hell. Take heed that you don't join them there...

Lmao. But your ancestors didn't need Jehova to mmultiply their seed. .up til your generation.

But you didn't witness any of these things you are saying. ..
Please check the dictionary for the meaning of "Witness" and come back when you perfectly understand the word

Bonapart:
Any one that refuse to confess Jesus as the son of God who came to save us, can never be save... for a witness hv told you again

Ok. Anybody who refuse to confess Orunmila as the saviour and knowledge of the world can never be saved

But wait oh! Please tell us what did you witness?

olawalepopoola:
Fake story! The Oonis aren't the true son of Oduduwa! He is a son of a slave that forced himself on the throne when Oramiyan travelled beyond the Niger and parts of south! Oramiyan finally settled in Oyomesi, which now forms the Oyo kingdom, which is headed by the Alaafin. Oduduwa had one son called Okanbi, who in turn had seven children, non belonging to the Ife royal families:
1. Alake of Egbaland
2. Oniketu of Ketu land
3. Orangun of Ila Orangun (Town of Bisi Akande)
4. The king of Ijesha (Town of Aregbesola)
5. Olowu of Owu (the town of ObJ)
6. Onisabe of Sabe
7. Onipopo
Omonoba of Benin was his grand child. Oramiyan left Ile-Ife, on coming back his slave had taken over his seat, he had to sacrifice it to avoid blood shed and headed towards the west. He was with the royal crown. His diviner had told him to settle down where his white slip (Ibi ti esin ti yo) and that is where he settled down. That is the source of the name Oyo. Oyo town of today was not was its ancient location. The were driven from Oyomesi due to war that engulfed them. Another important grandsons of Oduduwa and sons of Oramiyan are Sango and Ajasa! Ajasa married a Nupe woman and began a dynasty! Can you see why SW cannot fight Northerners! Sango relocated to the west but Ajasa preferred to stay back. For all who care to listen the present day Obas in Ile-Ife doesn't have blood affiliation with
Oduduwa! They were those on ground before the entry of Oduduwa. The are several rooms for several gods in the palace of Ooni, but one of those rooms can only be entered by the progeny of Oduduwa and not the Oonis.
DON'T REWRITE OUR HISTORY

Actually it's your source - Samuel Johnson who tried to rewrite history
This is what happens when you let a reverend speak on yoruba history

Our history is deep and the perfect source should be the traditional institutions not so called scholars who aren't scholars at all


Bro. . IFE IS THE SPIRIT OF THE YORUBA, it's a sin to deform the throne of Oduduwa. ..

There's just so much falsehood in your post
1. The first person to be called Ooni was Adimu, and though his mother was a slave his father was Oduduwa. and he was the one taking care of all affairs of Ile-Ife that Oduduwa wasn't available to attend to
2. Adimu was the one who sent Oranmiyan to Bini. So he didn't become King when Oranmiyan went across the Niger. ..lemme ask you do you know why Oba of Benin covers his nose in public?
Here's my hypothesis. .Adimu means "one with congested nose" hence he must have covered his nose in public. . This is a simple act that was most likely taken to be royal tradition that became a thing for the Royal house of Bini... but of course if there's a better reason why the Omon'Oba covers his nose I'll love to know.
3. Oranmiyan didn't settle in "Oyomesi" but "OYO-ILE" . Oyomesi is the State council...its shocking that you don't know this
4. Oduduwa had so many sons nobody can categorically state a number, However I believe the one called Okanbi is same as Ogun. ..its also possible Okanbi was a totally different person all together.
Ogun was the first son of Oduduwa. .. Obanta, Orangun, Ajibogun Owabokun, Akinsale Elekole, Alaketu, Owa Ooye of Okemesi are just few of the other sons
5. Alake of Egbaland isn't directly from Ife but from Ketu. Olowu of Owu is not son of any Okanbi but son of Oduduwa's first daughter...his paternity is however still unclear(at least to the public)
6. Oranmiyan never met any slave on the Ife throne.. he met Obalufon Alayemore and challenged him to the throne. It was actually Alayemore who left because he didn't want bloodshed
7. It's Ajaka not Ajasa...
8. Lmao haven't you heard of the Nupe-Oyo, Nupe-Okun wars. .Yoruba have engaged the Nupe and other northerns notably fulani in Battle
9. The present day Ooni of Ile - Ife are descended from Olajamisan, son of Oramiyan when he was Ooni.

bezimo:
Irrespective of you and your likes vow to continue in the tradition/idol worship which without doubt is demonic except to people of your type whose mind need devine illumination to embrace the truth and a progressive way of life, it's not my concern. So you agree the Native American tribes are indeed backward but refuse to see the correlation of their demonic worship practice and their backwardness having refused to embrace a progressive way of life that the whites came with in Christianity.You cant see the correlation because your mind is blinded by your idol/traditional worship. Its your type that tries to throw logic upside down because of sentiments and its a waste of time trying engage you objectively.
So goodluck to your idol worship adventure!!!!.

many native Americans are Christians...and I already told you whatever mess they are in is due to marginalization and negligence by the US government. ..same way blacks are still ill treated
It's no fault of native tradition

China, Japan, Singapore, India traditional and they operate high standards such that you envy. ..so stop blaming traditions. ..traditions have nothing to do with the economic state of a people

Wole Soyinka is a proud traditional man, Tunde kelani, Fela. All well celebrated men. .. stop being a moronic bastard and learn to embrace your identity and stop slaving to the west

Oh I can assure you, I don't do sentiments
Dude you are a slowpoke remember? You don't do logic. .so stop preaching logic to me. .show a logical gesture ...all you do is brand anything different from Western culture as idol worship and demonic. ..I already told you Yoruba traditions aren't demonic


Theirs no truth in what you think...thinking everyone must copy oyinbo to live a progressive life
Many Caucasians live in poverty and under development ...

Here's an image of your white masters engaging in what you should call idol worship and demonic practices

ROSSIKE:
All the other races had these things long before the white race emerged from the caves. The whites destroyed those civilizations through invasions, massacres, genocide and colonisation. I think what the other races lacked, which the whites had, was a willingness to commit genocidal atrocities against foreign peoples, in order to appropriate their resources.

Very true

bezimo:
Its obvious you are the moronic bastard, You are no where near enlightened than I am, so take your dirty opinion to the garbage.I cannot be miserable. I am super blessed and comfortable and have touched things you can only dream and imagine because I have embraced a progressive way of life.I state without apology to any idiotic idol worshipper or rubbish oro tradition that it is backwardness in every respect.Let me educate you and liberate you from your deep rooted ignorance.Google the "correlation between Native American tribes and backwardness, poverty, lack" . Then you would appreciate the point I am trying to pass into your empty block head that tradition/idol/ demon worship impacts a people negatively in every respect.

don't use my words especially when they don't apply. ..
I didn't call you a moronic bastard to insult you but simply to state my honest opinion of you
Bastard is best defined as a person who doesnt know his father....his ancestry or core values
A slowpoke is one that is quick to judge without use of logic

You called African traditions idol worshipping and demonic earlier. ..as an African this is pure sign of being a moronic bastard. .because you were quick to judge something you know absolutely nothing about. .worse, it's something you should know being African yourself

You cannot call yourself enlightened and lack knowledge of yourself. . First step to enlightened is "knowledge of self"
So sorry. ..you aren't enlightened

you don't know me. ..so how can you be sure of the statement (in bold)...this is just another moronic act

The native Americans you speak of helped the Caucasians survive, whatever mess they are in today is caused by trusting outsiders over your neighbors. ..same thing africans are guilty of
Native American traditions aren't to blame...these people are marginalized by the Caucasians

Halloween isn't demonic abi?, homosexuality too? Only whatever doesn't conform with western culture is demonic

Kennedyiheme:
u are very ignorant

Quickly supply the knowledge then.

Surely if you have anything to suggest that human sacrifice is part of yoruba culture you would have brought it forward already

Max24:
You are truly beyond redemption like someone said earlier. Even a primary school child at Corona will be shocked at d silliness of ur arguments. I think Nigerian youths are far more intelligent than this. Kontinu alone in ur fools paradise where Yoruba gods and goddesses are d worlds superpowers over America and Russia!!!

Redemption?
You have no idea how redeemed I am. . How free I am. ..
It is you who needs redemption. . Redemption from mental slavery and self hatred.

Certainly if Nigeria looked to its available resources rather this gross unemployment we would have become superpowers. ..but with morons like you in the majority, everything the land has to offer is not worth a look. ..why won't you be miserable when you only seek approval from other nations? When you reject anything developed locally? Denying it the opportunity to improve
The likes of you are to be blamed for whatever mess this continent is in

Not only do you worship Caucasians you are filled with so much hatred for yourself and those like you

I pity you.. but I even pity africa more

Intelligence comes with logical reasoning... ask yourself is it reasonable to hate yourself and worship others?

Bonapart:
heaven and hell is real... Jesus is the way, the truth and life

If you don't have salvation then you have nothing

DO you have evidence for the existence of this heaven and hell?

If you do please release it. ..I am one who loves truth if somehow jesus is truth by all means prove it

I am already saved brother. ..saved from the cage of lost identity, mental slavery and spiritual ignorance

Bonapart:
He will forgive you but stop blasphemy

Ok. However I don't need him
I have all I need already

harbeedaymee:
I resemble "bro" for ya eye? Amusa abi ki lo'n je? O je ya ara e ni brain

If you studied the history of the yoruba kingdom you will realise that at a point in time, the Alaafin was the head of all yoruba obas and Oyo was the capital of Yorubaland.

Ti eniyan o ba ba itan, aa ba aroba, aroba si ni baba itan

Ok now Ibadan is the capital of Yorubaland
Using ur logic the Olubadan is head of all yoruba Obas

Kennedyiheme:
I wish the retards that's practise dis see it the way u see it....bt they blive It shld go to d extreme of sheddin blood, imsorry this lunatics hve lost it wht they are doin isn't culture its stupidity, when they can re define culture den it shld be practised...bt nw tht its turning to anoda tin, its best people ofrget abt it

What's this nonsense lies you like peddling? You don't need to resort to lies like your European masters did. ..come out clean and just say you hate African culture for not being identical to that of your masters in the west

Nobody sheds any blood as a cultural act in Yorubaland. ..stop ur lies

SOURCES close to the palace, have allayed fears that rites of passage for the late Ooni of Ife, Oba Okunade Sijuwade, would involve human sacrifice.
They took exception to the view describing it as a rumour aimed at tarnishing the customs and traditions of Ile-Ife, regarded as the cradle of the Yoruba race.
There had been anxiety among residents of the town, particularly some students of the Obafemi Awolowo University (OAU), Ile-Ife, that burial rites of the monarch might involve some form of bloodshed.

The sources urged indigenes and residents of Ife not to entertain fear or panic but go about their lawful business, and do nothing to contravene customs and traditions of the town.
The Oro festival declared by traditional rulers in the town, and which began yesterday, is still in force.

www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/08/ooni-no-human-sacrifice-in-rites-of-passage/

Bonapart:
you need JEHOVAH in your life.... am still praying for you

No I don't need Jehova. .. he is useless. ..I know this well

Bonapart:
my guy your freedom far oooo..... i pray for you today that God will always forgive you and guide you home.

He's a merciful God

You are wrong. I am totally free. ..its you that is being caged. .. you stil live in the cage created for you by the Europeans

Seek your freedom and free yourself from this sireship towards foreign concepts

sped1oro:
The Op forgot to mention my classmate in secondary school, The current Regent of Akure, Adesida Adetutu.Please give us an expose on her too..
Nice write-up anyway

They've selected a new Deji already

lawanson44:
Our land was exploited and our people made to labour and so what?

Why can't your people labour too in order to improve their lands rather involve themselves with dibble-dabbling and playing hide-and-seek with the death of an Ooni? If you don't have a logical and constructive argument, do me and yourself a favour and gerrout and stop quoting me before your native sango strikes you dead! Envy indeed? What is there is anything to envy about savages and inbred primitive people? Idiota.

Well obviously with people like you in the majority who are ever ready to kill the work of his fellow black man, ever ready to demonize anything African how can our nations progress when we look to foreigners for approval? Foreigners who don't care about you and rather take advantage of you and keep on exploiting

Ooni is a very important personality, to the yorubas higher than a president. So whatever Dibble- Dabbling his death incurs is only necessary ...if the queen of England dies you just watch the rites (what you call Dibble - dabbling) done around Britain

Will savages and primitiv people build an Empire, and make wonderful art works that even marveled the Europeans ?

Max24:
See evidence of my arguments? All the emboldened above shows d type and quality of education given to you by "your parents." Instead of having an healthy and enlightening debate you resort to throwing abuses. My concern is d quality of thinking d children you raise will have if and when you av any. I am deliberately engaging you this far for few reasons - 1. am a teacher 2. some of d rubbish you are writing here can have a negative impact on some kids. I hope u know that being able to read and write is not tantamount to being educated. It has to do also with ur mindset. Any society that wants to dominate must allow for open debate and strong self-critique of its practices, culture and traditions. Do you know d main reasons d white succeeded in using our forefathers as slaves - it is simply because of ur type of thinking? They made mockery of ur long held beliefs and outlandish traditions that never brought any significant advantage to u. For example, you worship Sango since time immemorial yet till date he can not make you a world superpower. Just last week Buhari had to go to America to beg for its assistance in buying their weapons to fight Boko Haram. and yet people like you will claim we av all d most powerful gods in the world - the god of thunder,iron,rivers,war and so on. Since d Boko Haram war started why havent you voluntered to use d powers of ur gods fight BH.Why not constitute a panel of the Oworos, Oluwos, Are Ona Kakanfos, Baloguns, Apenas and other warior title-holders and lead them to the Sambisa for us? At least by now u would have been a world re-known hero! Imagine America and Russia being on their kneels begging to buy ur powers!! This would av helped us out of the Naira/oil mess we find ourselves now.As to having a unique identity, so killing women and strangers is an identity to be proud of - are u kidding me ? I have not asked u to drop your cultural way of dressing,greeting,training offspring-no,by no means. My point is a cultural practice such as oro that targets d most vulnerable in d society such as women and strangers, to make human sacrifice in d dead of d night to gods or spirits that have never helped u fight BH is not only barbaric but despicable. And all these barbaric practices must be stopped!!!

These aren't words that deform your character are they?
You called my ancestors ignorant and you stil expect me to respect you?
You think am on nairaland to make friends and make you happy? I don't need to hide my honest opinion of you. .
Only a foolish slowpoke insults his African ancestors and demonize everything African - this you did, so a foolish slowpoke you are...you obviously don't know anything about tradition or history ...you just blindly attack. ..you call the ancestors ignorant but you are the ignorant one here.

Even if you aren't yoruba and don't have anything like Oro in ur ethnicity.(that is if you know anything about about your ethnicity) best you respect the traditions of others. ..I will never insult a traditional practice, I respect all people of the world and surely whatever they do fits them. ..they don't need anybody to tell them how to live.

You are far too beneath me to dabble into a debate with you. ..I'm schooling you here...this is no debate.

Surely my children will be well educated and grounded in their cultures and traditions ...they will know themselves and embrace their identity. ..I am not one to teach people how to slave to others. .. I teach love in ethnic identity and appreciation for your culture.
You being a teacher only proves the terrible educational system in this country. .. an African man teaching his pupils to imitate the west and hate their African identity. ..you should be ashamed of yourself. ..teachers like you destroy the future of our continent

More stupid comments...how can you blame African traditional means for your problems? Boko haram was caused first of all by foreign ideas of islam. ..the Nigerian government doesn't employ traditional means. ..so why blame traditional means when you are yet to use them? See why I say you are dumb? Is this the type of logic you teach your pupils in school?

Listen Oro doesn't kill anybody. ..at least nothing will happen to you if you simply obey the law and stay indoors at night when the Oro is carried around town. ..if you wish to dare come out and whatever you see you have to bare it cus you were warned

harbeedaymee:
Who told you the Ooni is the number one king in Yorubaland? You will never do well ma. What will you call Alaafin of Oyo? Oo ni se ori ire!

Alaafin is number 2 throne