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raphieMontella:
Jesus being God is ominipotent and ominiscient...

Well have you ever thought about how bizarre the crucifixion story is?
Imagine the all-powerful, all- knowing creator of the universe sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven. He looks down onto earth and says to himself: Those evil humans down on earth. I hate what they are doing. All this sin... Since I am all-knowing I know exactly what the humans are doing and I understand exactly why they commit each sin. Since I created the humans in my own image and personally programmed human nature into their brains, I am the direct author of all of this sin. The instant I created them I knew exactly what would happen with every single human being right down to the nanosecond level for all eternity. If I didn't like how it was going to turn out, I could have simply changed them when I created them. And since I am perfect, I know exactly what I am doing. But ignore all that. I hate all these people doing exactly what I perfectly designed them to do and knew they would do from the moment I created them.
I HATE IT! I tried killing all the humans and animals once in the flood. That certainly did not fix the problem. So here's what I am going to do. I will artificially inseminate a virgin. She will give birth to an incarnated version of me. The humans will eventually crucify and kill the incarnated me. That, finally, will make me happy.
Yes, sending myself down and having the humans crucify me -- that will satisfy me. I feel much better now.
It makes no sense, does it? Why would an all- knowing being need to have humans kill himself (Jesus is God, after all) to make himself happy?
Especially since it is a perfect God who set the whole thing in motion exactly the way he wanted it?
The whole story of the crucifixion is absurd from top to bottom if you actually stop to think about it. Jesus clearly knew that he is God. In John 14:8.. Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father.
" So it makes you wonder about Jesus' famous lamenation in
Matthew 27:46: About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Since Jesus is God, what he really must have meant is: "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?"
seriously does this make any sense?


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hopefullandlord sirwere ifenes realmindz johnydon22 cloudgoddess hahn oglalasioux

This is one of the most silly post I've ever read on nairaland.

kobosmalls:
Genesis 1:3-5
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

*Which light was the bible referring to here since the sun and moon have not yet been created?

Genesis 1:15-19
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

*If I'm right, the greater light is the sun while the moon is the lesser light( even though the moon is no light but reflects the light from the sun),
1. What kind of light existed on earth that gave rise to day and night(first day) if not the sun rise and sun set considering that the sun was not yet in existence?

2.i is this not a clear indication that the author of genesis had a poor concept of light, day and the sun in particular since he thinks that light and time of day can exist on earth without the sun?

Just because there isn't a sun, dosent mean time wouldn't pass on planet Earth, Moreover God is omnipotent He wouldn't need the sun to tell time.

atheists will come and tell us that ALL the people present there are hallucinating including the ones cutting the tree.

Scholar8200:
You will notice that the passage speaks of both servants being under the same Lord and the passage there speaks of reward for servants and their obedience to the Lord's will. Hence we may not apply it to the Gospel and the lost

Very Good. You say the passage speak of reward for the servant and their obedience to God will. Alright, The same passage seems to imply that their are some servant who are not aware of God will, the passage prescribe lesser punishment for this servant. Does not this mean that their are different type of punishment in hell ? Those who know more are held in a higher degree of accountability and responsibility. If you know the truth about God and reject it, you will be punished more than someone who doesn’t yet know better.

Look at these three statements made by Jesus, all in the Gospel of John:

John 9:41
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you
would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’
your sin remains.”
John 15:22
“If I had not come and spoken to them, they
would not have sin, but now they have no
excuse for their sin.”
John 15:24
“If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.”

Over and over again, Jesus said knowledge of
the truth is important, and upon this knowledge sin is judged. The more you know, the more you should know better.
Thank you.

charlsecy:
Doesn't that mean one can enter Eternal Life without Chrsit?

NO. The judgment of this people is different from Those who know the will of God, This are the people who have not been Expose by the Gospel of christ. The parable of the slave and master imply their punishment is different from those who know the will of God but depart from it.

An2elect2:
Okay dear. Wish you same!

thank you.

royalemperors:
Are you serious about the emboldened?

Hope you are aware that there are other religion and those PRACTISING these other religion were also created by God, just like Christians?

Its important I state this that majority of us humans are in one religion or the other not by choice but by nature. If Jesus Christ is the only and through way to heaven as you stated, how then would someone like a man in Edo north who is a Muslim, he didn't became a Muslim by choice but he was born into a Muslim home, which has been the practise in their home right from the time of his forefather's and that makes Islam the only religion he knows, understands and practise. Does that means he also won't know or reach heaven when the trumpet sounds except he converts to Christianity, become a christian, know and give his life to Christ?

God has NOTHING to do with religion, God created man and man invent religion, man invent religion to fill that empty vacuum. Those born into muslims home must have come across the message of christ, if you reject it, its your choice.

jidxin:
madam dats not true oooo ....in my own understanding 3 ppl diff type of ppl will make heaven... Number 1 by d law.their conscience
2 is true christ
3. By their blood after rapture

NO. Everything begin with christ and end with Him. The law was reveal to us for learning purpose, paul say this in romans. Christ is the ONLY way, that's why many religious talk highly of Him but NOT knowing who He really is.

An2elect2:
Lol Ive not seen any scripture where it is said that those who would not hear the gospel, will be saved alongside those who believe.
Rather, scripture says, he that believes not is condemned already (he has been condemned in Adam even before men started to preach the gospel)

John 3:18

Even romance 10 : 13,14 Talks about the orders salvation must follow before it is attained: and hearing is one of them.

Though i agree their punishment would not be as grievous as those who saw and tasted the gospel.

But they will perish too

the op NEVER say sinner will be save. The op say, their punishment is different. Happy sunday.

Domwiz4all:
Does it mean that there are different compartment in hell for different offence? And after the punishment in hell, will they eventually go to heaven?

their is NOTHING like after the punishment, for NO one can cross from death to life. Thank you. Juat that the punishment is different.

SirWere:
But the bible does not make these distinctions.

It simply said anybody without Christ is Going to hell.


From Matthew to revelations; it talks about the ONLY way of receiving salvation is via Christ.


Their was no second clause attached.

yes, anybody without christ is going to hell. Christ is the ONLY way. But jesus himself imply the punishment in hell is different in the parable of the master and the slave.

musicwriter:
What will happen to them is same thing that would happen to YOU and all those who didn't hear the gospel of islam, Budhah, Judaism, Confucious, taoism, e.t.c.

check my profile and read my topics, create your thread "defence to islam" and tag me, let us start our argument their.

mustymatic:
Show us from the Bible where your gods say you should marry only one. NB.. don't quote deacons or bishops for us, ordinary men

Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his WIFE;and they shall become ONE flesh.

Not man, woman and concubine, NO, man and woman to be ONE FLESH. Jesus quote this passage in mark 10:

Mark 10:7-9
…7‘For this reason a man will leave his father
and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the
two will become one flesh.’ So they are no
longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”…

SirWere:
"No one shall go to the Father except through me"


"For God so loved the world; that he gave his only son that whosever believeth in him shall not die but have everlasting life"


Your point

YES, their is ONLY ONE way which connect us to God, and it is jesus christ. Here we are talking about the punishment in hell. Their is different between rejecting someone and never heard of him before, here we are discussing about those who have never heard of him and their punishment in hell is different to those who reject Him.

kilo4sure:
Nice one, so would that mean there are different levels of punishment in hell fire or could it mean the fire is a form of purging through pain that comes from regret and gnashing of teeth, since everyone shall be salted with fire? (Mark 9v49). Or does it mean some would stay in the fire longer than others? If you are to beat your house maid or house boy, would your intention be to keep flogging them continually forever and ever or to correct them? making them better after suffering the consequences of their works? There are many things to ponder on here, that's why l said the nature of hell even from the bible is not really clear. What we do know is that when God's judgment takes place, the world would then learn true justice. If we are to invite people to Christianity let them come because it offers a new way of life, let them come because they want to take up their cross. Let them come because they want to die so that they may find a way to truly live. This is what is Paramount.

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing
before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, AND EACH PERSON WAS JUDGED ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAD DONE.

Keep in mind that the righteous are not judge but has pass directly to eternal happiness, in fact in john 5:24 jesus say" whoever hear my word and keep it would not be judge but has pass unto death to life". The person will NOT be judge at all, so what the point of judging sinner if their punishment will be the same ? Revelation 20 say they ( sinners) are judge according to their work. Could it be their are sever punishment to everyone according to their work ? Level of punishment ? Keep in mind that God is perfect merciful and just. and will reward and punish each person in accordance with what he or she has done Psalm 62:12.

Scholar8200:
I believe Paul here was writing retrospectively note the use of the word law, not Gospel.


again, this does not refer to knowing the Gospel as both categories were under the same Master.


I beg to disagree here bro.

God has been in the business of revealing Himself to man from the beginning and this did not stop with the OT:

He revealed Himself to:

Cain (just before he went ahead to kill Abel)
Abimelech (to warn him that he had taken someone else's wife)
Abraham(you know this one)
Job (sure you know this too)
Enoch, Noah(sure you know this too)
The people before and after the floodetc
NONE OF THE ABOVE WERE ISRAELITES.

In the NT we have those like Cornelius, Ethiopian Eunuch etc

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, ...

Romans 1:21-23

Today, most unreachable places are receiving the Gospel! How? By radio broadcast etc The unrest in some stronghold nations is forcing its citizens out to where they can receive the Gospel and are receiving it.

If you are right, then the disciples would not have been commanded to go into all the world!

Stay blessed!

Thank you bro for your wonderful post, what about Luke 12:47-48 ? the parable seem to point to two different people. those who know the will of God but did not do it and those who did not known God's will. Their punishment is different.

Will all those people who have never heard of Jesus Christ be sent to hell? First we must note that the Bible says God will judge all people
righteously. It seems Their would be STRICT judgment to those who REJECT the Gospel than those who have never heard of it.

Paul tell us That those who have not heard of the gospel will be judge by the law which God had place in their heart;

Romans 2:14–16
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do INSTINCTIVELY THE THINGS OF THE LAW,
these, not having the Law, are a law to
themselves,
15 in that THEY SHOW the work of the Law
WRITTEN IN THEIR HEART, their conscience bearing
witness and their thoughts alternately accusing
or else defending them,
16 on the day when, according to my gospel,
God will judge the secrets of men through
Christ Jesus.

In fact jame imply that we will be judge base on what God has reveal to us:
James 3:1
Let not many of you become teachers, my
brethren, knowing that as such we shall incur a
stricter judgment.

In other words, those who know the gospel,
study it, and teach it will be under stricter
judgment, since they have the ability of guide
others, or lead them astray. In Luke 12:41-48 jesus talk about the difference in judgment between those who knows the Gospel and those who did not know;

Luke 12:47-48
"And that slave WHO KNOWS HIS MASTER'S WILL and
did not get ready or act in accord with his will,
shall receive many lashes, but the one who did
NOT KNOW IT, and committed deeds worthy of a
flogging, will receive but few. And from
everyone who has been given much shall much
be required; and to whom they entrusted much,
of him they will ask all the more.

Their are two type of people here standing for judgment here, those who know God's will but reject it and those who does not know it or here about it at all.

In conclusion; I know many christians believe that anyone who did not hear the gospel is condemn to hell, but scripture say otherwise. Please note, I am not trying to say all way lead to God, NO, but those who have heard the gospel and reject it are the one who will spend eternity outside of God PERFECT kingdom. The atheists are without excuse for rejecting the will of God, and those who do evil without the knowledge of the gospel are condemn already since they have violated the God given conscience.

Towncrier007:
I have asked myself this question several times, that what would have happened if satan had gotten Jesus via the temptation at the wilderness.
In the book of mattew3:17, when a voice came down from heaven declaring Jesus to be His beloved, and later He went to the wilderness,and the temptation began.
But what If Jesus Christ had fallen for the temptation, what would have happened, would His Father had said He has disappointed Him? or would that had given satan upper hand against him? over to ya all.

Jesus must accomplish what Adam and israel were unable to accomplish. The spirit of God lead jesus into the wilderness to be tempting by satan for 40 days and 40 night, why ? Because God want jesus to go through what israel went through for 40 years in the wilderness. The Evidence for this show when satan tempt jesus to turn stone into bread just as the israelites complain for manner. If satan succeeded in tempting jesus, satan already had two perfect human to sin. If he
had succeeded, this would have altered or even
defeated God’s plan for a Saviour, but Satan’s
attempt was thwarted by God.

BetaThings:
The above are done by pastors, not illiterates in one location whose actions might even be disputed

I have always asked this question

Can you go to Nnewi to abuse Chief Ojukwu?
Can you go to Ikenne to abuse Chief Awolowo?

In addition how many people here will just walk away if someone came to their house to abuse their parents?

But Muslims are somehow supposed to be able rein in every Muslim who is angry?

Both Christians and Muslims are human beings who cannot always control their anger in their PRIVATE lives
But when same Muslims who fight those who annoy in their ordinary lives attack those who attack Prophet Muhammad (SAW), every Muslim goes on trial

Do Muslim husbands and wives not fight?

maby you forget the question. Why muhammed ? Is he the only prophet in islam ? What about moses, abraham , isaac and jecob ?

MrMontella:
the blood line of jesus had polygamy.. U forgot solomon? Or david who converted someones wife?(right?)

They suffer the consequence of their sin.

MrMontella:
and yet christ punishes the sinner for eternity for the smallest of sins commited..
Whats the difference?

You atheists are soo confuse. What do you understand by God unconditional love ? Consider the parable of the prodigal son; did the father love the son ? YES. Did the father love prevent the son from making decision ? NO. What if the son did not return home, and died in the swine, will you blame the father ? NO. But the son make a decision to return home and find everlasting joy.

Does God love those who rejects Christ? Yes.
Does His Love mean He will alter His Justice to
accommodate their rebellion? NO. If the man reject christ and find himself with the devil, will you blame God ? NO!!!

ypeace:
4.) Is it true that Mohammed prescribes a maximum of four wives for
a Muslim man? How many wives did Mohammed have?

Muhammad did not prescribe, Allah did in Q4 vs 3

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا

If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.


The prophet married a total of 11 times. Maximum number of 9 wives at a time

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In following up on your answer to Question 4, was it that Prophet
Mohammed disobeyed Allah's command? Or was the commandment
issued after he was already married to more than 4 wives? Or does
this particular commandment exclude him?

Ans

the prophet is human. he has special responsibility and in return enjoys special rights. for example, he is able to fast for days without breaking the fast and he specifically ask his followers not to do that. Having more than 4 wives was allowed for him as it was allowed for some prophets before him. it is stated in the Qur'an 33 vs 50 that:


O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

What is adultery ? Looking at a woman lust fully, when you have a wife, what kind of motive drive you to mary another wife ? Because she is sexually attractive ? The fingerprint of marriage begin in Genesis one, when God create Adam and give him ONE wife and He enjoined the two to be ONE FLASH. Not man, woman and concubine, BUT MAN AND WOMAN.

ypeace:
1.) Is there anywhere in the Quoran where Allah declares that he
loves human beings or Muslims? Is Allah capable of love?

Yes, Allah is capable of love e.g, Q3 vs 134

الَّذِينَ يُنْفِقُونَ فِي السَّرَّاءِ وَالضَّرَّاءِ وَالْكَاظِمِينَ الْغَيْظَ وَالْعَافِينَ عَنِ النَّاسِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ

Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good;-

Allah love does who do good deed ONLY. The quran say Allah does not love the unbelievers. But in the bible, christ die for me and you while we were YET SINNER.

Why are Atheists Always in support of muslims? But they can attack and insult christian, you live happily with a christian, your parents are christians, but you always call christians names, all kind of insult, you thrown at us. Don't you think you are insulting your parents as well ? One spirit control muslims and atheists, the spirit of anger and insult. This forum is control by deceptive and lying spirit.

Any religion that encourage death come from satan. Why Muhammad ? What about Abraham , isaac ,jacob, david ? The truth is that Muhammad is the ONLY prophet of islam, Allah has no prophet apart from Muhammad, that is why a muslim can sacrifice his life for Muhammad sake. Insult Abraham in the presence of muslims and they will say " may allah forgive you" ****

TrajansKong:
With all possible respect, malvisguy212. I have to express my doubts as to whether you have ever knowingly loved or been loved.

What you have written is inexpressibly inhumane and depraved.

And you exult in it.

maby some of your love ones are dead ( God forbid), why do you still go on enjoying life ? If you truly love them, die with them.

kilo4sure:
Good, and in what way were they sinners? They didn't act righteously even though they had the law of moses to guide them. Lazarus failed to show love, and this was the problem. In Matthew 25, Jesus said l was sick, hungry and naked and you did not help me. People go to hell because of their works and not a magical formula they fail to recite. Besides we know very little about hell, what we are sure of is that God judges sinners.

In the old testament, on whose Authority the old testament saint cast out demon ? Christ death and resurrection is the reconciliation of God to man, God wrath is fulfill. If God should judge us base on the law of moses, can anyone claim, he or she has never break this law ? This is Exactly what the children of israel is doing, they cannot keep the law. The bible say God is a righteous judge, those who died (Pre-calvery) before the coming of christ, God will judge them base on their work.

Romans 3:21-28: “[21] But now the
righteousness of God without the law is
manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [22] Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no
difference: [23] For all have sinned, and come
short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified
freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

honourhim:
Dont you have loved ones who are dead? Why didnt you kill yourself to die with them? And since they died dont you eat, laugh, merry, go to clubs and parties and live your life as if you never lost them?
Count your teeth with your tongue.

in fact, their love ones who had died, mean nothing to them ( atheists). How can you be happy here on earth knowing your love ones are dead ?

kilo4sure:
You don't understand, tell me why did the rich man go to hell? I agree it is necessary to accept Jesus as lord and savior but the purpose for this is to be saved from sin so that we can live unto God and not simply to escape hell.

The rich man is a sinner, in fact his brothers are all sinners, that is why he request lazarus should go and warn his brothers to change their way.

Tenniebenson:
Okay.. Is dis supposed to be a testimony?? U are thanking nairaland for making you a complete atheist? .. Wow! I never knew this forum was dominated by people who don't believe the supreme God.. I would have stayed away..
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Well.. I don't like wasting my time on people who have decided 2 be deaf and blind

This Forum is control by Evil mind, deceptive spirit, lying tongue. The devil is really at work.