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JMAN05:
There is substance to the comment than what you said earlier. However, some of his story about Zeporah and Moses is self-made, not scripture.

Genesis 25.
25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her
name was Keturah.
25:2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan,
and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.

Moses wife Zipporah , she is a midinite, alright, the midinites descend from Abraham through His second wife Keturah, the midinites do not follow the abrahamic covenant of circumcision. Where did I add my own interpretation here ?

Alright, Exedus 4, is were moses return to Egypt in other to lead the israelites to the promise land, right ? God CANNOT allow moses to do this when he had not brought his family to the Covenant of God, Which Circumcision is Among the Sign.

freecocoa:
Come respect yourself, I don't have time for rubbish, so just behave.

Your heart is soft, easy to be manipulated by satanic lies. You stumbling in this forum was to sharpen your faith in God, when the time is ripe, you will come back home.

4kings:
@kingebukasblog
Why did Yahweh seek to kill Moses in Exodus4:24

God command the israelites to be circumcised after 8 days, Moses knew that all Israelites were to be circumcised. But his wife Zipporah was not an israelite, she was a midinites ( although the midinite descendant of Abraham through his second wife katurah) the midinites do not follow the abrahamic covenant of circumcision. Instead moses obey his wife not to circumcised his two children, God was furious with him, so God want to show him how serious He is concerning breaking of His commandment. God did not kill him, he only show moses The danger of breaking His comand.

raphieMontella:
if they dnt believe in satan..why are they then called satanists?
..no difference between a satanist and a christian

Am I the one that say so ? Go and ask the church of satan, click the link I paste.

Do you want to abandon atheism ? Accept jesus and His work of salvation, time is running out, on that day you have no excuse, are you ready to abandon Atheism ?

freecocoa:
What does that have to do with anything? I was referring to being called "Confusionists" not denying I said I'm agnostic atheist.

Ask questions if you don't understand the term.

keep on deceiving yourself, given yourself name, agnostic atheist,agnostic etc. One fact remain, All you guys behave the same way, one Agender, one Aim, Blasphemy God. Agnostic atheist is someone who hold the view that God cannot be proven or disprove, right ? If you cannot disprove the existence of God, why blasphemy Him ? Is this not what exactly the atheist do ? Y'LL ARE ATHEIST. Fact!!

cloudgoddess:
Uhh sure, keep telling yourself that

what about politics that have cause more harm ? Should we abandon it or find the right formula ?

neocortex:
I do not consider eintein an authority on god , in fact no
such undisputable authority exists.
On your einstein quote, you are also guilty of what you accused others of
that is selective quoting.

Here are some Einsten's view which are often left out by
the "Einstein is not an atheist crew" of course he is not
but neither is he a theist.



Your Jesus attacks theory is misrepresented, people don't attack jesus based
on his personality or most of his views but in context of performing fictitious
miracles and his claim of being god, hence he can be held responsible for
anything god did since they are supposedly one and the same.

When you present Jesus as a god who perform awe inspiring feats, he gets
attacked like any other god, but when presented as an enlightened character
of his time, he gets the same respect that others such as Confucius and Socrates gets.
Nothing more nothing less.

my point stand, he reject being call atheist.

Your post concerning jesus does not make sense at all, people attack jesus because He perform miracle ? This statement is like a little boy who continuously cry unless his toy is return to him. Did you not read where jesus say, if they believe you of my report, dust your feet and go ? Believe in jesus or not, its none of my business, I'm only doing my time, preaching the word to whoever that will believe.

johnydon22:
Spinoza God is Nature.... equating the entirety of nature [matter, thoughts] as God.. thats all.

That's broadly still atheistic

you are right, But for what I observe,Albert Einstein equation of relativity, imply the universe has a beginning, einstein does not like this idea, he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So he expend the equation and fail, he say " this is one of my worst mistake"

So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God:

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals
himself in the orderly harmony of what
exists, not in a God who concerns himself
with fates and actions of human beings."

Just as you're putting Einstein in the camp of atheism, others people do the same thing. Einstein complain bitterly for putting him in the same camp of atheism:

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can
call myself a pantheist. We are in the
position of a little child entering a huge
library filled with books in many languages.
The child knows someone must have written
those books. It does not know how. It does
not understand the languages in which they
are written. The child dimly suspects a
mysterious order in the arrangements of
the books, but doesn't know what it is. That,
it seems to me, is the attitude of even the
most intelligent human being toward God."

http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm

When ask about jesus and the Gospel, this is what he say :

"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"
"Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels
without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."
https://intellectualfroglegs.com/einstein-jesus/

Unlike atheist here on naraland, Einstein had a Great respect in jesus, many forum I have visit, I have never seen forum attack jesus soo much like nairalnad. Nigerian atheist are something els. They mention jesus (the man they hate) 90% in every bad word that comes out from their mouth, but they forget their is a man call muhammed. Hadmirrow hopefullandlord henn seun just name them.

CAPSLOCKED:

IF YOU EVER WANNA REPRIMAND ATHEISTS, YOU CAN DO BETTER BY NOT COPYING VERSES FROM THE BIBLE.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME THINGS (WORDS) THEY ALREADY DISLIKE INTENSELY.


IF YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE IN GOD, POINT OUT YOUR REASONABLE OPINIONS TO ME, SHOW ME RECENT SCENES THE LORD ACTUALLY SHOWED HIMSELF, DON'T QUOTE ME RUBBISH VERSES FROM A BOOK WRITTEN BY THE GOVERNMENT OF BACK THEN, INTENDED TO BE USED TO CONTROL THE MINDS AND EMOTIONS OF GULLIBLE PEOPLE.... ELSE YOU'LL JUST CONTINUE PROVING ME RIGHT; THAT GOD ONLY EXISTED IN THE BIBLE DAYS.

HE WENT EXTINCT ALONGSIDE THE DRAGONS AND DINOSAURS!

my Good friend, you are like a desperate sick child who bite his doctor, thinking his doctor is the cause of his pain rather than your only hope of recovery. What a tragedy if you let the simple fact that you don't have infinite IQ rob you of your greatest source of comfort.

No one has been so spurned, misunderstood so much hated without cause as God is every
moment of every day by millions of people, each of whom he loves more than we could conceive.

onetrack:
I reject religion as man-made. I have no belief in any god, but I can't prove that there is no god.

To sit on the fence is a marvelous position. From the top of the fence
you can look in any direction and watch life pass you by. Thank you.

AmenRa1:
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deny it or not, The satanic kingdom acknowledged atheists as there brothers, that's the point. Your opinion doesn't count.

Jacksonville:
Atheists are insecured beings linked with demonic afflictions, who rely on scientific hypothesis for the compensation and justification, of their unbelief and sophisticated ignorance ... It's a pity they are most likely to be satanist .




All newbie atheists should have a rethink, and discover things for themselves and stop following the conspiracy theories of other insecured and delusional atheists..

God bless you my brother. They just want to read post like "God does not exist" they are truly insecure, open a thread title "atheists are going to hell" and see the reply you will get, insult everywhere.

onetrack:
I am an agnostic atheist

I have examined religion thoroughly and rejected it as a source of answers. No need to keep doing it.

your post look cunning, just as what satan want. You reject religion or God ?

raphieMontella:
lwtmb...atheists worship science..atheists do this and that...
I bet the christian uses a wishy wand to log into nairaland not a phone...

That is what the op saying, even satanic does not believe satan exist just like atheists do. No different.

ValentineMary:
I have no time to waste on this rubbish. If u are ready for a real argument next time call me.

who bring you here ? Me ? Or you bring yourself in ?

ValentineMary:
This thread is just so wrong and senseless. I have not seen anymore senseless thread before. The OP contradicted himself so much that I have a hard time believing someone with a mammalian brain wrote this.

point out the contradiction in the op. Satan worshipers acknowledge atheists as there brothers. Click the link.

onetrack:
The only thing crazier than having imaginary friends (Yahweh) is having imaginary enemies (Satan).

you're truly an atheist and not an agnostic as you claim. Agnostic are truly seeking for answer.

Another reason for rejecting God (choosing
atheism), is a willing acceptance of satanic
deception. The angel Lucifer (“luminous one”) fell and became Satan (“adversary”) due to his desire to supplant God. This was Lucifer’s single, minded obsession. He not only rejected God by attempting to supplant Him, but he urged humans to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to choose against God for her own self-fulfilment:

Genesis 3:1-5
He said to the woman, “Did God actually say,
‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”
And the woman said to the serpent, “We may
eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but
God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the
tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither
shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Let us analyze this verses:

The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s
statements, then, contradict God’s statements
and, finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality
with God.

This manifest in atheists as :

1.Questioning whether there is a God to make
statements in the first place, so God did not say anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to have
been spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing God
with the self.

This satanic deception appeals strongly to
atheists as it bolsters two of their desired
delusions: 1) absolute autonomy being free to
do as they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate
accountability,there are no eternal
consequences for doing as they please.

When asked “What is the Church of Satan?”
Gilmore replies:

“Satanism begins with atheism. We begin with
the universe and say, “It’s indifferent. There’s no
God, there’s no Devil. No one cares!” So you
then have to make a decision that places
yourself at the center of your own subjective
universe, because of course we can’t have any
kind of objective contact with everything that
exists. That’s rather arrogant and delusional,
people who try to put things that way. So by
making yourself the primary value in your life,
you’re your own God. By being your own God,
you are comfortable about making your own
decisions about what to value. What’s positive to
you, is good. What harms you, is evil. You
extend it to things that you cherish and the
people that you cherish. So it’s actually very
easy to see that it’s a self-centered
philosophy.But it also requires responsibility,
since you are taking on for yourself the
complete onus for your personal success or
failure. You can’t be praying to a God or blaming
a devil, or anyone else, for that matter, for what
happens to you. It’s on your own head. That’s a
challenge for most people. Most people tend to
really feel that they want some kind of external
support, that they are outward looking and
might want some sort of supernatural parental
figure, or even some sort of existing
governmental authority, existing in their life.”

https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Satanism:_An_interview_with_Church_of_Satan_High_Priest_Peter_Gilmore

nicedas:
i have got just one question for you, in the bible, i have seen a place wher jesus fell to his face and pray, where in the bible jesus or any creature danced or even clossed his or her eyes to pray?

And also, were in the bible it say, closing eyes or dance to thy Lord is a sin ?

ValentineMary:
It is pitiful to see xtians take obvious contradictions as ultimate truth. The bible has too many loopholes that is irreconcilable yet xtians try to stitch it together and in the process shoot themselves in the leg.

the op mention bible passage ? The op did not deserve reply, how can you accuse someone of injustice when you don't believe He ever exist ? The op did not understand the NATURE of God, the purpose of God creation. The op did not even understand The biblical meaning of omnipotent.

Nice one op. The message in the gospel is clear, offence calls for repentance, repentance
calls for forgiveness.

I read a story of a woman name Corrie Ten Boom, she help the jew from the nazi during the holocaust, but when she meet a nazi, she could not forgive him, even when she really want to forgive. So she pray to jesus, to enable her to forgive him, she finally forgive the nazi From her HEART. With man this is impossible, but with God it is possible. Forgiveness is NOT an emotion, is an acts that must come from YOUR WILL.

AmenRa1:
"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend..."_ ( Exodus 33:11 )

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall
no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: and it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth
by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: and I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts; but my face shall not be seen."( Exodus 33:20-23 )


In verse 11 we read that God spoke to Moses, face-to-
face. Yet in seeming contradiction, we have later God
telling Moses that he cannot see His face. Instead,
God decides to show Moses his back parts! "Back parts" ofcourse serves as a euphemism for "ass". In other words, God here says to Moses "thou shalt see my ass."

God didn't literally talk face to face with Moses, for no man can see God's face and live (Exodus
33:20). This is a figurative expression intended to convey the intimacy of their relationship that is captured in the phrase, in verse 11 " AS A MAN SPEAKETH UNTO HIS FRIEND"

kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.

according to the passage, They saw God, BUT God say "No man can see my FACE and Live" it is clear, base on other passage of the scripture, what these people saw
was not the essence of God, but rather a visual
representation of the glory of God. Even when
Moses asked to see God’s glory (Ex. 33:18–23), it
was only a likeness of God which Moses saw

@ Pastopreneur, Moreover, the previous chapter indicate, ishmael and hagger has already been LONG GONE Before God command the sacrifice. Abraham had ONLY one son living with him.

joseph1013:
"All the martyrs in the history of the world are not sufficient to establish the correctness of an opinion. Martyrdom, as a rule, establishes the sincerity of the martyr, — never the correctness of his thought. Things are true or false in themselves. Truth cannot be affected by opinions; it cannot be changed, established, or affected by martyrdom. An error cannot be believed sincerely enough to make it a truth."
~ Robert Green Ingersoll.

Trash!!! And the eyewitness who were martyr, They purposely choose death ?

Pastopreneur:
Why will God address Isaac as the ONLY SON of Abraham? Does it mean that it wasn't God who gave Ishmael to Abraham? Or has God forgotten that Isaac is the second son of Abraham?

Or could it be that there was only one son in the life of Abraham as at when he was given the order to make such sacrifice? If you say he had one son as at then, who do you think it would have been?


Continue reading@

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Abraham marriage to sarah was approve by God, after God promise of a son was delay, sarah advice abraham to take the bond woman hagger as a wife. Alright, how does it sound to you ? This imply, sarah did NOT patiently WAIT until the appropriate time, she chose her OWN WAY on how abraham will have a child, in fact, there NO verse in the bible were God address hagger as the wife of Abraham, God call her the bond woman.

If man believe that the son of your concubine is your legitimate son, that does not mean God does. God said that marriage is between a man and a woman ,not a man and a woman and her concubine. Hence, God didn't recognize Ishmael as Abraham's son. ONLY Isaac .

Seun:
People accept death because they believe in the afterlife, but that doesn't make it true. Many Jehovah's witnesses have died for their faith. Many ISIS and Al Qaeda and Boko Haram suicide bombers and fighters have chosen to die for their faith, too. That doesn't mean they're right.

isis and boko haram are different from what we are saying here. This terrorists did not die for their faith, they die suicide death which is ENTIRLY different from what we are discussing, suicide is not the same as dying for your faith.

Seun:
Which God are you taking a chance on, and what is your reason for taking a chance on that particular God rather than the many other Gods??

here in kaduna, I witness a man who was kill for refusing to deny jesus. There are many testimonies of this same issue. Why will this people choose to die for there faith if there is no afterlife ?

2 timothy 4:7-8
I have fought the good fight, I have finished
the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

Why will they choose to die ?

johnydon22:
Since there is no way to ascertain or measure such a thing as you have shown - then how exactly would you come out and assert that such a thing is.

If it is not measurable or proveable, then there is no way you can ever know of such a thing.

I will take my chance, I believe in God, and I believe in every word He say, plus thousand of testimonies concerning the afterlife!

Seun:
Inasmuch as there is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of an afterlife, it's certainly irrational to believe in it.

what do we consider the afterlife to be ? If it a physical place as your post imply. Using the scientific process, science cannot comment on it because we can't make measurement beyond our physical world. BUT we cannot say there is no afterlife because thousand of people cannot be hallucinating one thing.

AnonyNymous:
You call them excuses but they are reasonable explanations for the occurrence, while you just think 'Its magic! God did it!'

and you ? Material came out from immaterial, no prove, science did it!! Smh

AnonyNymous:
It's no big deal. It takes just three generation to change complete negroes to complete Caucasians. Pale genes skipping generations before cropping up again could have explained the baby’s appearance. The probability that this happens is very low, but they happened to hit the jackpot. They can't even be 100% certain of their family history. They live in the UK, their ancestors are from Nigeria. Its highly likely that one of their distant relatives got f*cked by their slave masters. So again, no surprise. Its only remarkable because the probability is verrrry low for that to happen. What you here are saying, is that direct descendants from the first man on earth happened to be Negroes and Caucasians.
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The Caucasian race is an interaction between humans (originating from Africa) and Neanderthals. . . Then, during the ice age period, their bodies evolved with features such as thin lips, etc to make the cold weather more bearable for them.

I know you will come up with excuses, however, this is your opinion until you prove it.