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naijadeyhia:
True. All thd need to hear is GO and they wouldnt wait for the D and they will assume you wanted tk say God and jump on you when all you wanted to say was GODZILLA or GORILLA

kobosmalls:
And people lived up to 500 years abi?
Your ignorance is irritating.
You've also not read that life expectancy back then was less than 40 years for humans.
Advances in Science especially in the field of medicine is the reason man is able to live up to 80 years old today.
The more you try to defend this useless bible,the more you make yourselves appear ret4rded.
And Noah was able to milk how many cows to feed billions of animals there. And they drank salt water for 40 days. Pls don't reply me cos you lack the ability to think.

naijadeyhia:
The funny thing is that I am not even talking God with them but the possibility of the Ark working so we should all try and reason it together but even to reason it is very difficult for them to di.

naijadeyhia:
Do you know why I asked you to reboot your brain? Its simply because no explanation I give you would be processed by it in a manner understandable to you. So I will not even bother.

naijadeyhia:
Do you know why I asked you to reboot your brain? Its simply because no explanation I give you would be processed by it in a manner understandable to you. So I will not even bother.

sevenhundred:
yes, xtian and muslim are atheist because they only say they believe in GOD, but they do not obey or they just select laws that suits their life style and disobeys if it does not suits their ways, imagine a footballer that select which of the refrees decision to be obeyed, he will be sent off. i have many instances to show that xtian and muslim are atheist. LATER.

alfarouq:
it does not really matter whether you accept it or not eventhough it would be good if you accept it for your own salvation.
my own responsibility is to propagate the truth and bring it to your notice but to be guided is only a decision that Allah makes but one thing is for sure ALLAH will always guide those who are sincere and humbly seek guidance and he will live the arrogant in their ignorance.
have a blesssed day

madridguy:
Am not related to terrorist. I am a Muslim and am not a terrorist.

lordnicklaus:
Hellow fellow bible lovers. The bible seems to speak of a pre-adamic world, much like the dinosaur age. This is based on my re-translation of Genesis 1:1-2 from the Hebrew text which I would now quote.

"Bereshit bara Elohim et hashmayim ve'et haarets. We'haarets hayah tohu ve'bohu ve'khoshek al p'niy tehom ve'haruakh Elohim m'rakhpet al p'niy hamayim"


The word with red highlight is an Hebrew term meaning "was" or "became". Now most translators pick "was" in their own translations. But when I consider the second meaning, a new message is gotten. Below is a retranslation of the text.


"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth became formless and empty and darkness covered the face of the abyss and the breath of God hovered upon the waters' surface"



I have taken the second meaning of "hayah" and it seems to entail that a world or a generation existed before ours and it was probably in this world that the dinosaurs existed until a catastrophe befell the earth and wiped out the former race thus leaving the earth devoid of life. It must have been an asteroid or comet strike on the earth that left the earth formless and empty. That seems to explain why the earth is actually billions of years old when bible text gives an approximate of 6,000 years..... Guys what do you think of this?
Cc Scholar8200 analice107 truthman2012 truthmans2012 malvisguy212 winner01

udatso:
I am touched. Malvisguy212 really wanted to know.... Lol.
Please sir, we all know you don't learn Islam from Muslims that are full of 'taquiya' or 'Taqiya' (you guys know the better word) as you guys have branded us.
You and your brother truthmans2012 should go back to your anti -islamic sites and get 'sincere' answers from there.

AnonyNymous:
So, if the bible does not agree with common sense (which it doesn't) then you choose the bible.
ok. I'm not arguing with you again, you've told me your standpoint. You choose what doesn't make sense, because its your beloved bible. What I'm trying to do here is to see if people can actually correlate the bible with common sense, but that's not your mission. I got you. Have a nice day. Please don't quote me again.

AnonyNymous:
From the arguments presented, I can conclude that Christianity is nothing but a religion based upon contradicting statements that make no sense, but people still choose to believe. Santa Claus for grown ups. Its ok. The problem I have is when you start interfering with my life e.g blasting these illogical statements from megaphones at 4 in the morning claiming 'its for god'

AnonyNymous:
Your posts have had no logical statements in them, all you are doing is telling me to 'come to God'. lol. There's nothing to refute, because you didn't make any statement from a logical standpoint. I'm tired of repeating the same things over and over. Read the from the beginning of the thread up to this point and then come back if you have anything different to say. If not, then don't mention me.

udatso:
We reply you, you call us liars. We keep quiet, you claim victory. Its difficult to please FOOLS.

oba009:
https://www.nairaland.com/108142/scientific-miracles-glorious-quran

Presbulg:
I'm pretty sure you've been on NL for some time to know the OP has been debunked not once, not twice on here. What I wrote up there is very simple. I just asked him to type it on the google search engine and put 'nairaland' at the end. He will surely seek what he's looking for.
You guys keep recycling bullshits that's been already treated eons ago

AnonyNymous:
I went to a Christian secondary school, I believe it actually was prophesied in the old testament.
My problem with Christianity is how it continually contradicts itself, not to talk of some of the morals the bible promotes. Islam too, has their own issues, but that's for another day. The person you are arguing with, that Malvis guy, fails to think in terms of logic and common sense but is saying 'just believe'. That's why I refuse to reply to him, because there is no logic in his words. But before you actually bring forth statements, I advise you to do your research first to avoid seeming unintelligent

Presbulg:
I have one question for you.
You know the entire case of christianity is based on the so called crucifixion of Jesus, and you guys make it so important, why was it never ever mentioned at least once in the old Testament ? I'd think a major event like that should have least been prophesied in the old Testament

Oladim001:
Beautiful reply..

Presbulg:
Mr, google " Allah's Miracles in The Quran. Nairaland" ... You'd see there's a lot topics that's discussed the OP.

Presbulg:
Mr. All these na story for puppets not for reasonable people.

The all loving God has to put his son to that cruel and humiliating suffering because he want to save the people he created ? Pls what is even the moral lesson behind that ?

I believe in Jesus(pbuh) but I don't believe he was ever subjected to that kind of pain and suffering for what ??

Abeg park well.

Presbulg:
You'd be wasting your time if you're expecting any reasonable answers from here. Why ? Because they don't have it. Why's that ? Because it doesn't make sense. It still doesn't make sense cuz it never happened.

God said ' Thou shall not kill'
Why would he then send his son(that's if it's true) to get killed on earth

Christians use your heads !!!

AnonyNymous:
unrealistic or not, it is a possibility, and the probability exists, even if its 1 in a million. The statement 'offence must come' eliminates that probability, which simultaneously eliminates free will.
You actually just proved my point. Our digestive system naturally digests any food into us. It has no free will. It cannot choose a day where it decides not to, it only stops when death/disease occurs.
Humans are naturally selfish, which means its embedded in us to be like this and therefore not our fault.

malvisguy212:
What God did was that, He predestined the course of human history for the messiah, remember, He is the sovereign God. Take for example, Isaiah
and Jeremiah claim that God used foreign rulers to alter history and free the Jews from
Babylonian captivity:
Isaiah 46:10-11
Declaring the end from the beginning And
from ancient times things which have not
been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be
established, And I will accomplish all My good
pleasure'; Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man of My purpose from a far country.
Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass.
I have planned it, surely I will do it.
Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, fill the quivers! The LORD
has aroused the spirit of the kings of the
Medes, Because His purpose is against
Babylon to destroy it; For it is the vengeance
of the LORD, vengeance for His temple.
The point is that, their are some people, because of the plan of salvation, God predistine history for them, to serve the purpose of God, this people possess free will, they will do evil in any circumstance, so God place them in history at the right time to serve his purpose.
Deuteronomy 30:19
"I call heaven and earth to witness against
you today, that I have set before you life
and death, the blessing and the curse. So
CHOOSE life in order that you may live, you
and your descendants.
They have the opportunity to choose life, because of freewill, in any circumstance, they will choose death, so God use this people for His plan of salvation, either way, satan loose.

AnonyNymous:
unrealistic or not, it is a possibility, and the probability exists, even if its 1 in a million. The statement 'offence must come' eliminates that probability, which simultaneously eliminates free will.
You actually just proved my point. Our digestive system naturally digests any food into us. It has no free will. It cannot choose a day where it decides not to, it only stops when death/disease occurs.
Humans are naturally selfish, which means its embedded in us to be like this and therefore not our fault.

NegusNegaste:
Nice food for thought bro. Christians, and indeed all religious people in their blind following of their various 'Gods' forget to observe that they shoot themselves in the leg.

malvisguy212:
What God did was that, He predestined the course of human history for the messiah, remember, He is the sovereign God. Take for example, Isaiah
and Jeremiah claim that God used foreign rulers to alter history and free the Jews from
Babylonian captivity:
Isaiah 46:10-11
Declaring the end from the beginning And
from ancient times things which have not
been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be
established, And I will accomplish all My good
pleasure'; Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man of My purpose from a far country.
Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass.
I have planned it, surely I will do it.
Jeremiah 51:11
Sharpen the arrows, fill the quivers! The LORD
has aroused the spirit of the kings of the
Medes, Because His purpose is against
Babylon to destroy it; For it is the vengeance
of the LORD, vengeance for His temple.
The point is that, their are some people, because of the plan of salvation, God predistine history for them, to serve the purpose of God, this people possess free will, they will do evil in any circumstance, so God place them in history at the right time to serve his purpose.
Deuteronomy 30:19
"I call heaven and earth to witness against
you today, that I have set before you life
and death, the blessing and the curse. So
CHOOSE life in order that you may live, you
and your descendants.
They have the opportunity to choose life, because of freewill, in any circumstance, they will choose death, so God use this people for His plan of salvation, either way, satan loose.

NegusNegaste:
Nice food for thought bro. Christians, and indeed all religious people in their blind following of their various 'Gods' forget to observe that they shoot themselves in the leg.

AnonyNymous:
From the responses so far, there has been no solid response. Seun, Lalasticlala, Obinoscopy, PLEASE push this to the FP, I'd like to hear different opinions on this.

AnonyNymous:
If it 'needs be' that offences come, then men cannot be blamed for their offences. Because its predestined.

ebiagtales:
Jesus and Mohammed are evil. They are the same. Little wonder the disciples of Jesus(emperor Constantine) and the popes killed millions of people in the name of paganism. Read this story Jesus told about himself.

19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: (19:22-23) "Thou wicked servant ... Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?"
19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. (19:24) "Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds."
19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. (19:26) "Unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him."

(19:27) "[size=18pt]But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."[/size]


How should we treat our enemies? Imagine, same Jesus told them to love their enemies. Is Jesus not Satan's child in disguise according to Otem?

malvisguy212:
In Islam, it is not how one lives that
guarantees salvation, but how one dies.
To die while fighting the infidels in the
cause of Allah is the only sure way for
Muslims to be assured of a place in
Paradise. Pious muslims will be taken to hell until the day of judgment.

Surah 9:111: Allah hath purchased of
the believers their persons and their
goods; for theirs in return is the
garden of Paradise: they fight in H
is cause, and slay and are slain.
(Yusuf Ali)

Surah 17:33: And do not kill the soul
which Allah has forbidden EXCEPT BY RIGHT.

Surah 17:33 is an important verse for
suicide-bombers. This Qur’anic verse not only justifies their own suicidal deaths but it also justifies the unintended killing of other Muslims in the process. Since the jihadist goal is to defeat the infidels and establish the right of Islamic rule at all cost, they believe the end justifies the means.

Therefore, the purpose of these suicide bombers is not just to kill themselves but to kill the enemies of Islam. In the mathematics of the jihadist, the most effective way to kill as many infidels is by means of this extremely evil method. The suicide bombers believe that they are rewarded, not for simply dying, but for dying as a means for killing. Thus, their own death is sanctioned by Allah and is accepted as a necessary sacrifice. They are honored as martyrs because they died in the fight against the enemies of Islam.

THE BARGAIN OF ALLAH
It may surprise many to learn that all
Muslims, including Muhammad will
descend into “Hell” before being rescued from it on the “Day of Resurrection.” The “Day of Resurrection” or “Qiyamah” refers to the time of the end. This means that even as you are reading this article, Muhammad and his pious followers are in “Hell” awaiting deliverance. The following Qur’anic verse and Hadith attests to this teaching in Islam.

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that EVERYONE OF YOU WILL BE TAKEN TO HELL .”

THE ONLY WAY TO BYPASS THE PUNISHMENT IN SURAH 19:71.

However, there is a way for Muslims to
bypass “Hell” and head straight into
Paradise. Allah makes a bargain with
Muslims to show how this is possible.

Surah 61:10-13: O YE WHO BELIEVE SHALL I LEAD YOU TO A BARGAIN THAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY ? – That ye believe in Allah
and His Messenger, and that ye
strive your utmost in the Cause of
Allah , with your property and your
persons: That will be best for you, if
ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to
Gardens beneath which Rivers flow,
and to beautiful mansions in
Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed
the Supreme Achievement. And
another favour will He bestow, which
ye do love, – help from Allah and a
speedy victory. (Yusuf Ali)

The above Qur’anic verses were written
in the historical context of the Battle of
Uhud (625 C.E.). In the Arabic Qur’an, the term Jihad is used in the above Qur’anic verses. “That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (Jihad) your utmost in the Cause of Allah.” Since all Muslims, including pious ones will have to spend a waiting-period in the “Islamic-Hell” before reaching Paradise, Allah made a bargain with Muslims. He told them that if they die fighting for his cause, he will forgive their sins and will save them from the “grievous Penalty” of “Hell-fire.” In other words, there is no need to burn in the “Islamic-Hell” until the Day of Resurrection when the faithful among them will be rescued. Paradise will be instant for those who die fighting for Allah.

Till today, Muslim suicide bombers are
motivated by this murderous bargain of
Allah. Allah’s bargain is still in force in
the Book of Hate. Islam reserves a place
in Paradise for cold blooded killers.

Surah 9:88: “But the Messenger, and
those who believe with him, strive
and fight with their wealth and
their persons: for them are all good
things: and it is they who will
prosper.” (Yusuf Ali)