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madridguy:
Which court of law convicted him? Mateen of blesses memory is not Kaffir. Ramat Lahu ala Mateen.

someone kill fifty innocent people, and you adress him as blessed memory ? Seriously ? I can understand, he is not kaffir as you say because that what the quran command him to do, but blessed memory ? Smh

Anyone who has read the Qur'an very well and know the lifestyle of muhammed will not make such choice. The Qur’an is based completely on the personal experiences of one illiterate man
spanning a period of 23 years.Only one person allegedly saw the “angel.” Only one person allegedly heard a voice. The entire faith is limited to one book with only one person who allegedly received the vision. There is absolutely no way to verify anything. Our question is, “Does not this then mean that the only way to become a Muslim is to take this one man’s word for it?” Man let alone will always chose death rather than life.
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All you people that are calling me names, enter in here and defend your religion
https://www.nairaland.com/2381817/contradictions-analyzed-bible-quran

HardMirror:
As I always say, they holy spirit makes secret things known doesn't he? Do you have the holy spirit? Then u shld know if I was ever a pastor by the withness of the spirit. I spirit filled man does not live by guessing. So what does the spirit tell you so I will know if u are empty or a man in tune with the spirit.

Yes I am a proud man. Happy now? I am not sorry I don't share your view.

I did not guess, are you not the one that open a thread title "from pastor to atheist?"

HardMirror:
so sorry I don't have anti yaweh views. I only have common sense views. This just another evidence that the bible is written by men and had nothing like inspiration from god (else it won't contradict itself so many times) the logical explanation is legends and stories are passed down orally and recorded by different scribes, their will be slight variations to this accounts. The scribe that copied the Kings version goes with the God evil inspiration to david, the scribe that copied out the chronicles version must have felt god is not evil so he says it is the devil.
Now left to you to figure out the truth. But I think it is clear

I don't think you are a pastor before you became atheist, their is one thing I observe in ALL your thread, and its pride. Trying to count your success. The bible did NOT contradict itself, rather, the bible contradict you.

realmindz:
2nd Samuel 24: Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census.....


1st Chronicles 21 : Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel...


Two accounts of the same story in the same bible, but one account said it was the Lord and another said it was Satan ....................................................................................

Please is the bible contradicting itself or was it a mistake from the writer? someone said Jehovah was satan...lol don't want to believe that.....

bible scholars, pls help
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in 1 chronicle 21:3 joab the prophet warn david not to conduct the census, still david go against this command. God allow him to conduct it because He want to bring david on his knell, david was looking back at his victory with pride, the canannite, syria and other nation were dependent to israel, thanks to david. The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God. So he let him go ahead with his census.

What about Satan? Why would he get himself
involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-, and so he also incited David to carry it through.

This is not new to us, we see the samething happen to job
, we find a challenge to Satan from God allowing Satan to bring upon Job his
calamities. God’s purpose was to purify Job’s faith, and to strengthen his character by means of discipline through adversity,whereas Satan’s purpose was purely malicious, wishing Job as much harm as possible so that he would recant his faith in his God.

On my way home, I will reply you later.

johntolu:
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If there is a possibility of the Biblical Jesus, ever making a return trip, to planet Earth, he will definitely give Christian leaders and their gullible followers, the same treatment he gave to merchants and their customers, in the Jewish temple, as recorded in the Bible.
Jesus' statement of denial will be, 'get away from me, you workers of iniquity'.

On a seious note, what happened to the power of the Holy spirit, to lead and direct Christians to the right path as taught by Jesus? Could it be that the Holy spirit present in the Catholic Church is different from the Holy Spirit operating in the Baptist church or the other christian churches worldwide?

I will not be surprised if Jesus comes and enters a Buddha temple out of provocation and shame, because from all indication, what Christians are practising today, is completely different from the gospel Jesus preached in the Bible.

the Lord knows those that are His own, read the bible and obey His command. Thank you.

yemisat:
Tell them o o o o o o o o o o!!!

the Lord knows those that are His own. Study to show they self approve.

easiest:
You are right my brother, I begin to think as I am now confused

what is confusing you ?

DjAduba:
We all know that Christianity has great defects from day one we only choose to follow in any way!

NO, it is your opinion. I have study the bible, and I have examine every other religion, christianity draw you closer to God but other religion command you to do ritual rite before God will hear you.

frosbel2:
In the CHURCH , there is NO singular PASTOR in the context of Moses or Joshua, what we have are care takers whose main purpose is to protect the brethren, not to draw disciples after themselves with different church names, different doctrines and different objectives which really is babel or confusion.

"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers" - Matthew 23:8

so what is the difference ? Moses, whom God appoint to lead the flock and a pastor of this generation which God chose ? Or are you saying God has abandon man ? Are you tring to say God has stop communicating with us ? I understand you VERY much, their are pastor who are NOT call by God, but their are genuine pastor who God chose to lead his flock also.

ifenes:
Man is God. A man of God is a man who knows he is God. You Christians are mixing up pagan beliefs and Roman Catholic beliefs,which is Christianity today

Moses whom happened be Akhenaten, the Egyptian saw himself as a God. You cannot be a man of a god you have never seen or witnessed. The main point of a human being is to re-establish his real nature,which is God/100% brain capacity being used.

alright.

Frosbel2.God is not just our pastor, He is our everything. In fact All save men should be a pastor, but when the bible speak of man of God, its speak of a man with specific purpose.

"And this is the blessing, where with Moses the MAN OF GOD blessed the children of Israel before his death." Deu. 33:1.

Would it be wrong for the children of isreal to call moses pastor ? In fact the bible say moses bless the children of is israel, God gave him the AUTHORITY.

You can tell a true man of God by who follows him. Moses is referred to as a man of God and Joshua followed him. Elijah is referred to as a man of God, I Kings 17:18, and who followed him? Elisha.

If Christians were Christians, there would be no denominations in the Christian world. If Christians were really Christians, they would not quarrel with one another, nor separate from one another, but rather would be members together in the "one body of Christ". Can you picture Jesus coming back to earth today and seeking out the fellowship of his own, walking the streets and looking at its Churches?

"This Church", his guide would say, "is a Baptist Church." "Baptist?" Jesus would ask, "What is a Baptist Church?" "This Church", his guide would say, "is a Presbyterian Church." Jesus would
ask, "What do you mean by a Presbyterian Church?" "This Church", his guide would say, "is
a Catholic Church." Jesus would say, "I have never heard of a Catholic Church before".
Jesus would ask them, "WERE IS THE CHURCH OF GOD?"

lifezone247:
God is everywhere, you can as well be in your house praise and worship with your family, (For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them)
Matt. 18:20

yes, God is everywhere, and were 2 or 3 are gathering, God is their.... This is just an excuse many christian use, the road to back slid is step by step. Even the apostles which this verse are directed at, tether together to worship God. Jesus enter the synagogue (church) quote from the book of isaiah.

HardMirror:
You are absolutely right about the impact of or formative years.

I can NEVER be a religious person again, not even going back to the christian faith. It is founded on lies and fabrication of men.

In some years time I would be well established in the new life I am building. So not complaining. Only making my experience available to others

what lie ?

HardMirror:
Did I waste my years as a christian?
Absolutely not.
I made my mark.

Now I am starting over building a vision to still make a global impact. Would have been fantastic if I had been an atheist much more earlier in life before I build my life so much arnd missionary work

first peter 2:21-22 say :
…20If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through their knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”…

udatso:
From the link I gave you, here's another interpretation

The summary : the love is available for those who believe ........
My dear malvisguy212, that's what we call condition.
Mind you these interpretations aren't mine oo. Before you accuse me of misinterpretation. They are from your scholars.

nice one scholar. No need to reply you, read scholar post one more time.

udatso:
Please be careful with your utterances. Where did I state the bold?
My interpretations where gotten from
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/romans/8-38.htm
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/romans-8-39.html


You can check it out for yourself. John gills, Barnes, Mathew Henry and many other commentators translated it the way I did which is summarised as the bonding factor for the love of God is in Christ, once this bond is established, nothing else can break it. Be it angels, humans, other beings. ........




So how am I wrong in the way your scholars translated it

it is the subject and not the object, let me give you an example, look at how terrorist are killing christians, isis and boko haram. is that Paul spells out the
kinds of things that cannot separate us from the love of Christ, and they are the sort of things that happened t Everyday: "Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?" The reason Paul chose to mention so many terrible things is to make sure we knew he was not saying: Well, there are some things so horrible that they really could separate us from the love of Christ. No. Nothing can separate us from Christ’s love.

udatso:
Of course He should. But of course, those who are cast to hell are not loved by God as a result of their actions and inactions.

Very good, The bible God is different from the quranic allah. The bible say it not the will of God that ANY Should perish, but ALL should come to REPENTANCE. Going to hell does not mean God does not Love you,He love you that's why he provide way for you to chose. If you chose to go against God will, so it God fault ? God did not love you ? Well, that's not my god, the God I serve is different from the one you serve.

Allah is merciful to those who accept the truth, what about the unbelievers living among us ? Did Allah love them ?

udatso:
For the record, malvisguy212 has been ignoring my questions. You have the time to quote cloudgoddess. Just incase you didn't see the mention, I will repost them here again



Malvisguy212
Considering the fact that in your reply you didn't address the coloured, should I assume you agree with me on this?

you give your own interpretation which is wrong, the verse did not say, man cannot separate us from God, the verse say say SUFFERING and PAIN cannot separate us from God love.

udatso:
I think your comparison is flawed. If a parents disciplines a child, it's for correction purpose. But is it Thesame when a non believer will be in hellfire for ever? How will he learn from his mistake?

let me ask you, is it wrong for me to preach against sin and it consequence ? Does it mean, I don't love you just because I preach against sin and the punishment ? You don't know what you are saying here, that is why this atheist are in support with you, so God should not cast anyone to hell ? If Allah is merciful, why will he cast sinner to hell ? He is not merciful, the simple answer to this is, He is merciful that is why he is finding a way for you to escape the punishment of hell. If I did not known you, I would've ask , are you an atheist ?

cloudgoddess:
So because there is a condition, then by definition the love being offered is conditional. Do you understand?

this how you interpret bible which lead you to your present state of belief, listen!!

Jesus is not just talking about a door. He is
talking about a door which is initially CLOSED. This is a closed door which is both keeping us IN, and keeping Jesus OUT. It is a barrier separating us. But once the door is opened, then it is no longer a barrier. It is then a gateway. It is a point of entry. So here we have a closed door which is a barrier. But IF any one will open it, it is no longer a barrier. It is then a gateway. Understand ?

cloudgoddess:
Any "if" signifies a condition.

Did he force you to open the door ? IF you don't open the door, you will die, that a condition.

OgundeleT:
if of has a room for truth then it will be stated and in such a case we don't call such a love unconditional, but a conditional love. if you love your child unconditionally you don't need to give such a child law since if he/she err u cant hurt or punish the child because irrespective of the condition you will always love the child

i wont, but i will call such a love a conditional one and the proper one because such a father must have let the child know the conditions involve and the penalties

these are conditions and whoever wrote it for his/her child before loving such a child has given conditions and we can no more call it unconditional love.
so if god exist and love it is unconditional

has atheism block your sense of reasoning ? I wept for you, so after the father has commanded the son NOT to go out at night, the son disobey and got attack by robbers, you will blame the father ? Are you guys insane ? Smh

cloudgoddess:
Do people who don't believe in Yahweh or the divinity of Christ recieve this love? Not just atheists, but people of other religions that do not subscribe to the bible's description of god?

YES, the door is open for EVERYONE, including you.

“Behold! I stand at the door and knock. IF
any man hears my voice and opens the
door, I will come in and dine with him, and
he with me.” ( Revelation 3:20 NIV)

Their is something you need to understand here, the word "IF" imply it is a decision you need to make,and this decision must comes from your heart, it is NOT by force." If anyone here my voice" why did jesus say this ? Because He leaves it up to us whether to open the door and invite Him in or not, this invitation is open to EVERYONE, ALL religious people.

“He came into the very world He created,
but the world didn’t recognize Him. He came
to his own people, and even they rejected
Him. But to all who believed Him and
accepted Him, He gave the right to become
children of God.” John 1:10-12

The reason jesus knock at your door, He came for the relationship.

Scholar8200:
There is indeed nothing new under the sun, Herod lives on! If Jesus were physically on Earth and the op made this challenge, Jesus wont have done anything!

And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and [size=15pt]he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him[/size].

9 Then he questioned with him in many words; [size=14pt]but he answered him nothing[/size].
Luke 23:8,9

folks that approach him today with similar mindset get the same response.

God bless you my good friend. The op claim he was a former pastor, I wonder, why he did not knows all this. To prove the evidence of our faith is by Good work, not by tempting God. Canal minded atheists.

HardMirror:
Good answer.

alright.

HardMirror:
So which would u choose. The bullet or charm?

NONE

HardMirror:
Of cos u are not lying. Christians are ready to die for their faith, same with muslims, same with Jews, same with hindus.

Read and comprehend, I never said they will deny their faith. That is not what this thread is about. It is about choosing to trust God to protect u from a physical means of death or a spiritual means of death. Hope u understand now.

so what is the difference ? If you proclaim christ at the point of death and trusting on God against any physical mean, what's the difference ? I trust God with ALL my heart, and when the time comes to prove this, by his grace I will.

udatso:
Who are these people that won't be part of God's love
Romans 8:38-39

38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

do you know what the verse is saying ? I doubt that. Suffering cannot separate me from the love of God, not even death. Pain and suffering did not separate job from God. That's what the verse is saying.

udatso:
Why didn't you quote her completely. You only quote the one that favours you. Here's the complete quote


Keep lying to yourself

I remove it because that was his own opinion.

malvisguy212:
Romans 5:8New International Version (NIV)
8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in
this: While we were STILL SINNERS, Christ died for
us.