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udatso:
I think you are avoiding the question. Let me reframe it.
Is part of showing love punishing sinners?

ifenes:
Unconditional love means loving without condition. It simply implies the absence of judgement and punishment. It also implies being capable of allowing people we love make decisions which opposes our views without judging them.

HardMirror:
So joagbaje imagine bokoharam kidnaps you tomorrow. which one will u choose? Will u choose to be shot in the head or that the ask Allah to strike u dead?

cloudgoddess:
Yep, and Islam.

I'm confused about why this thread exists. It looks like Muslims trying to point fingers at Christians when their doctrines are both flawed in the same way. It's clear that neither Yahweh or Allah display unconditional love. The "love" (if you can even call it that honestly) that both god characters offer is blatantly conditional, and that condition is "worship me, and only me, until you die".

udatso:
Scholar82000 malvisguy212
Now that we have established that God will punish the unbelievers on judgement day, can we still say God loves them as He punishes them?

udatso:
Which is why I have been trying to tell you that the bible God doesn't love the unbelievers the wicked, sinners... .etc
Yes. It's true God loves us all but for the transgressors, there isn't love for them.
Let's consider these verses
Psalm 5:4-6

4 You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.

5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.

6 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the LORD abhors.



Psalm 11:5

5 The LORD examines the righteous,
but the wicked and those who love violence
his soul hates.

Van you still look at these verses and still tell me God loves all?

udatso:
There's no love for sinners on judgement day as a result of their actions. So it's stupid to ask for proof for love for sinners. Allah loves all humans which is why everyone is blessed, sometimes the sinners are more blessed. If Allah hated them, it wouldn't be so.

udatso:
Oh come on malvisguy212, you have been in Nairaland for not less than 3 years and you still don't know how to quote. Well let me help you out. Input the text in between the tags () Without the brackets.

Scholar8200:
I wish you got a quote from those who used the term, at least that's where I would have loved to start from. What I know is that of Grace that we do not work for nor deserve but when received (by Faith in Jesus Christ) transforms our lives. This Grace is unlimited - not given by measure nor with prejudice.

Would you mind telling us which passage your respondents normally coin that term-unconditional love -from?

But considering the Love of God, I would refer you to the parable of the prodigal son.

Did the father love the prodigal son? Yes! Did the father's love prevent the prodigal from the consequences of his decision? NO! If the prodigal had refused to return to the father and died in the field among the swines, do we blame the father for not loving the prodigal son as a father should? NO!
But the prodigal returns to the father and we see a Love that yearns after the rebellious and does all possible to influence his decision homewards but remember, he is a free moral agent and the Father will not violate that principle by use of force !

Does God love those who rejects Christ? Yes. Does His Love mean He will alter His Justice to accommodate their rebellion? NO (else satan deserves an unreserved apology and a reinstatement!). If a man rejects God's revelation about Jesus and dies and finds himself in the devil's destination, who do we blame? The man!

udatso:
Could you please quote the question one after the other and answer them. I wouldn't want us mixing things up. Thanks

Rilwayne001:
We don't have to start another discussion aside from what the op asked. You are expected to answer the question asked which to the best of my knowledge you are yet to answer.

Please no derailing.

udatso:
Yeah. That's why am open to the biblical definition of unconditional love. Does God judge sin or the sinner? Please answer this question if and only if you are done with the rest

vedaxcool:
It is garbage that doesn't address the question, why are you responding generally to specifically stated questions? Don't let us think you are scared and hiding like a cat.

Rilwayne001:
And then, that is not in line with the real definition of what unconditional love means. Perhaps your Bible was saying some other things and not unconditional love.

vedaxcool:
Answer the Question in the following format:

1. What is unconditional love in Christianity ?

2. If there's punishment for non Christians for not accepting Christ as their personal lord and Savior, is it still right to call this love unconditional?

3. If there Isn't punishment for non Christians , why bother preaching the word of God to Christians if at the end of the day, we all make heaven?

Notice how they hiding but change the title to something about muslims you will see these trolls in overload mode

malvisguy212:
FIND A WAY TO FORGIVE SIN PRIOR TO FINAL JUDGMENT.

udatso:
Cc: Parisbookadict truthman2012 true2god Olaadegbu ifeann Annunaki malvisguy212 ayoku77 Pastorkun. .....

Please call out your other brothers and sisters, your attention is needed here.

NumberOne2:
There is a difference between sin and offence. Sin is to GOD. Offence is to MAN. Dont mix them up.
What offence did women and children in the market commit to be BOMBED by a Muslim?

Does Islam not know that if a man refuses to become a Muslim today, he may change his mind tomorrow?
Why kill him today because he refused today? Is that a wise action?

Lilbrown007:
Simple We Don't Believe In Miracle Miracle Only Applies To Xtians Get It?? We Only Base Our Assumption From Fact And Theory's N We Will Keep On Doing Research

PastorAIO:
You're right, it's none of your business. I can bet you that you'll find no thread where I've defended atheism with all I've got. I can bet my last pant. However you might find thread where I attack BS. My concern is with bullcrap whether spewed by christians or atheists. You'll find me opposing you a lot less if you stop spewing poo. Try it and see.

A Pastor means a shepherd, someone who guides. Christianity does not hold copyright on the word Pastor. The only thing I despise is Bullcrap. I can only despise your christianity if it is full of crap.

PastorAIO:
I don't know about the immaterial part, but I do know that all the other parts are exactly what religionist theists claim, not atheists.

Theists believe (1) getting something from nothing and they claim God did it. He created the world from nothing.

(2) again God did it. If the scientist believe the same at least they try to seek out the mechanism of how such a thing could have happened. They don't just say 'God done it'.

3) Life from non life. And Theist say Goddunit. Scientists say how was it done. That's the only difference.

4) Order from Chaos, they same.

Lilbrown007:
I Already Debunked That Question B4 He Even made The Thread

Lilbrown007:
Where Did U Get This Stupid Assertion From?? Scientist Cannot Make Mistake I Would Have Called U A Lair But Since I Know Thats What You Guys Are Good At "Lie For Jesus" I Wouldn't Bulge
Do U Think Science Is Like Religion Where Everything Is Based On Faith?? U Don't See Scientist Gather Around Screaming And Shouting That Gravity Is Real Anything That Goes Up Must Come Down I Know This Cause I Have Faith In It If They Did U Will Think They Were Pretty Insecure About It Any Fact Brought Out By Any Scientist Must Have Been Tested By 100 If Not Not More By Other Scientist

PastorAIO:
I don't get it. What has internet and nairaland's influence got to do with the validity of her beliefs?

Everybody that knows something got the information from somewhere. Some, it is what their eyes saw somewhere. Others, they read it in a book. Others, they watched a film. Some went to school. Some learn things from a conversation in the pub.


However none of these has any bearing on whether the conclusion is valid or not. Unless you want to claim that internet and nairaland do not have any good valid information in them.
I think you'll find if you study the issue closer that it is not the atheists posts that are creating all these atheists but rather the posts of people like yourself who cannot debate points but resort to invectives and threats when they find they cannot answer questions. Sometimes you just go around saying you're smarter (not you personally, but a certain type of christian) than others, while displaying the most abject show of stupidity.

For as long as your only contribution to a thread is to make blind assertions and threats and yabbis, then you'll keep creating more and more atheists. Personally I think it is a good thing though I'm not an atheist, because I think from your position atheism is a step in the right direction.

KingEbukasBlog:
Pathetic show of ignorance . How can someone write about he/ she has no knowledge of .

Lilbrown007:
Common This Is Only Possible Cause Islam Don Have "New Testament Quran" If They Did Maybe They Would Peaceful Now Christianity Is Only Peaceful Cause They Try To Build Their morals From The New Testament I Tell If It Wasn't For That Christianity Will Be Worst Than Islam

SO MUSLIMS WHEN R U GUYS GONNA BRING UR OWN NEW TESTAMENTS NA ??JUST USE STYLE AND SAY U FOUND A LONG LOST BOOK OF MOHAMMED BLA BLA BLA

taurus25:
ur case is willful ignorance and nothing more

entbaze:
Hmm I don't know why illiterates like u are allowed on nairaland @johnydon22

PastorAIO:
So why haven't you dusted your feet?

Lilbrown007:
THEY Is No Such Thing As GOod Or Evil They Is Only Survival

cloudgoddess:
Sorry to butt in but I thought I'd try and answer this.

Evil isn't a "thing" in and of itself. It isn't some independent, invisible force or substance that infects and controls people. Evil only truly exists in an adjective sense. Actions can be evil, if they are intentionally taken to cause harm. Thoughts can be considered evil, if they contain hatred and spite. Evil actions are caused by evil thoughts, and evil thoughts can be caused by all manner of factors in a persons life. Egos gone haywire, obsession, hatred, or depression spiraling out of control. Even brain damage can cause a person to become hateful and want to kill.

So to sum up, "evil", as a noun, is a thing of myth. There are only humans, with thoughts or actions that can be evaluated as being evil (adjective), due to the harm they cause or intend.

malvisguy212:
The Greek term for "firstborn" is
prototokos. Firstborn of all creation does NOT mean christ was "born first" or created first, NO it refer to christ POSITION of SUPREMACY by virtue
of the fact that He is the Creator of all
things and everything came through Him
, see verse 16. The word "firstborn" in Colossians 1:15 refers to positional priority not temporal priority. For example In Psalm 89:27 King
David is placed as FIRSTBORN,but David
was actually the last-born son of Jesse.
Isreal is call "FIRSTBORN" but Israel was not the first nation that God brought into existence, but POSITIONALLY as God's chosen and privileged nation
Israel was supreme.

The simply conclusion in colossian 1 was, the word firstborn was NOT use to described chronological oder of event. It was use to express Christ's priority as the CREATOR because all OTHER created being came through HIM as verse 16 say and I quote:

" FOR IN HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED : things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been
created THROUGH HIM and for him. "

There is a Greek word which means FIRST CREATED (protoktistos) but Paul did not use this word of Christ.