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truthman2012:
Hello bro. Quite a few days.

parrotchick:
so you are saying Jesus and God is d same, dat Jesus created d earth and all? so who was d voice that called Jesus his only son when he was being baptized? its still very confusing. how z Jesus d word? z he d one dat has the spiritual power that God used to create d earth? elaborate pls...

truthman2012:
Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

No doubt, islam is about coercion, forcing people to accept it. Muhammad himself was coerced into Islam when he was said to be pressed thrice almost to the point of death to "read" (iqra). Jubril
pressing him three times forcing him to read is classical coercion. The lie there is that Jubril didn't come with any document to be read, neither had he told Muhammad anything to be recited before he pressed him to almost kill him. What was Muhammad expected to read or recite? God's angels don't work that way.

Muhammad was coerced to coerce others. He became a powerful warlord, killed and maimed to force islam on the people and that is why the Arabs are predominantly muslims today.

In Nigeria, Uthma Dan Fodio made wars against the Northerners and the result was the predominance of islam in that area. All these are the evidences that islam is about conquering the world by force. In fact quran 9:33 states in no ambiguous term that islam set up to conquer. This is not the character of the true God.

Many Christians have died in the hands of jihadists for failure to confess Muhammad's Allah as their God. They would just not jettison their God for Satan under any circumstances. But for the atheists who do not believe in God and would not surrender their lives to death because of the God they don't believe, they will easily give in to islam when faced with weapons.

Very soon the Devil will rise to take over the world and islam is going to be used as the medium. The whole world will be forced to Islam when the muslim Jesus (anti-Christ) appears. The atheists alive then will become muslims automatically as they have no God to die for.

parrotchick:
So this question came up in my head while reading a thread here on religion forum. It's not news that some doctrines denies Jesus to be God unlike other popular doctrines. I've grown up with a confused ideology of Jesus being the son of God and being God himself. I didn't really question it untill recently.

firstly; in kjv of genesis, it clearly states God
alone created d world. but some doctrines says Jesus was with him when he created. soe sited john 1 vs 1 as evidence. (tho I think its error of self interpretation, but who am I to judge?)



secondly, it is stated in d bible that God acknowledged Jesus as his only begottentt son. some doctrine says Jesus was an ordinary angel who choose God's call to die for humanity nd was then exhaulted to become his son. my confusion? his birth has been predicted as far back as old testament. was Jesus really his son or an angel?y


this trinity thing how does it work? that z d aspect of Christianity I don't understand. are they three diff entities or....?

and my biggest confusion, as Christians, re wet worshiping God or Jesus Christ. in prayers and sermons, they ve mixed it soo much that I dont know the difference anymore. I knw Jesus z d way, d truth nd life....but what about God? re we not almost like catholics who refer Mary and saints more than Jesus just like we refert Jesus more than God?.
I call on all enlighted Christians to shed more light to these questions.

pls I need insightful and intelligent answers. your answers might touch more than one life and enlighten more souls than u know.




pls lalasticlala, (hope I spelt
it right) seun , nd other relevant mods, help push this to the front where it can get the much needed attention. thanks in advance












secondly,

Rilwayne001:
This nonsense has been trashed on one of your threads. How many times do you want to repeat this shenanigans

kallmemrB:
Muslims have been known to be delusional and confused people cos angel Gabriel is really polite and gentle ...he visited Mary and Zach not pressing u down stuffs

Prove was given to Moses,Elijah,Joshua,Jeremiah and co.

Immorttal:
i deduced you learn all this from one giant humour book.

greatiyk4u:
Please Nairalanders, was there any Biblical record of prophets after Jesus Christ?

If No,why all the Prophets in this our Generation?

Splinz:
"A fool says in his heart there is no God". Indeed, your foolery is simply astonishing!

What! "God protects me yet I still have to look the road before crossing?" and other nonsense! So being a fool has deprived you of even common sense? Surprisingly, you're probably among the self acclaimed intelligent people. But in reality, very dumb set!
!

malvisguy212:
good, if you have nothing to say, just stay mute.we prefer you like that.

malvisguy212:
Weldon bro. Long time. Good to see you.

malvisguy212:
In the middle of the confusion of the war on terrorism is the question of the nature of the religion of Islam. Some say that it is a peaceful religion at its heart, that only the fringe extremists are bent on war.

One side claims that "jihad" means a
personal struggle against evil in one's
behavior. Others claim that it means
conquest of the part of the world that is
not Muslim, by whatever means
necessary, including acts of terror.

Both sides refer to specific passages in
the Koran for support. For the soul winner, these are not the important issues. Bible believers are asking, "How can we reach Muslims with the gospel which will solve their struggle against evil?"

One way involves God's love.The biblical concept of God loving the sinner, is
FOREIGN TO MUSLIM THINKING. To them, Allah is "compassionate" and "merciful," BUT only to those who obey him.

Their relationship to Allah is not as father and son but more as MASTER AND SLAVE. Allah is not pictured in the quran as a loving Creator, longing for an intimate relationship with man.

Biblical concepts found in John 3:16, 1
John 4:6-10 ("God is love" and in the
Lord's prayer where we address God as
"Our Father" are nowhere found in
Muslim thinking. Muslims memorize the
"99 beautiful names of Allah,"BUT "love"
or "loving" is no where in that list.

"The love of God is the chief attribute of the biblical God as revealed in such places as John 3:16.God has feelings for his creatures, especially man"

But when we turn to the Quran, we do
not find love presented as the chief
attribute of Allah. Instead, the
transcendence of Allah is his chief
attribute.

"Neither does Allah 'have feelings'
toward man. That concept is foreign to
Islamic teaching. That would reduce
Allah to being a mere man -which again
is blasphemous to a Muslim."

"The greatest difference between the two faiths is the personal quality of God," writes Emir and Ergun Caner in Unveiling Islam. "ONE MUST LOVE Allah IN ORDER FOR Allah TO LOVE THAT PERSON IN RETURN .In Christianity, God loved people first in order to secure their salvation"

The story that Jesus told of the prodigal
son illustrates a side of God that is
foreign to the followers of Allah. The
Quran states flatly that "Allah loves NOT those who reject Faith"(surah 3:32).
"The Muslim can be totally sure that
Allah will never restore a believer who
has rejected the faith of Islam," we must show the Muslim that Allah offers "no love, no sure forgiveness of sins and only empty dreams of a false paradise."

Only Jesus, the God of the Bible, loved us while were yet sinners,offering sure forgiveness, and eternal life with a loving heavenly Father.

malvisguy212:
Surah 56:17-18: “They will be served by immortal BOYS, With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine.” (Hilali-Khan)

malvisguy212:
Surah 33:37-38: “And when you said to him
to whom Allah had shown favor and to
whom you had shown a favor: Keep your
wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty
to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul
what Allah would bring to light, and you
feared men, and Allah had a greater right
that you should fear Him. But when Zaid
had accomplished his want of her, WE GAVE HER TO YOU AS A WIFE, so that there
should be no difficulty for the believers
in respect of the wives of their adopted
sons , when they have accomplished their
want of them; and Allah’s command shall
be performed. There is no harm in the
Prophet doing that which Allah has
ordained for him; such has been the
course of Allah with respect to those who
have gone before; and the command of
Allah is a decree that is made
absolute.” (Shakir)

According to the above Qur’anic verses, Allah
himself ordained the marriage between
Muhammad and Zainab while she was still
the wife of his adopted son. For Allah to
ordain the marriage between Muhammad and
Zainab, he must have pre-ordained the divorce
to take place between Zaid and his wife, since
only then it is possible for Muhammad to marry her. If the divorce is pre-ordained, then the cause leading to the divorce must also be pre- ordained. Since the cause for the divorce was Muhammad’s desire for his daughter-in-law, it must then be Allah who pre-ordained
Muhammad to develop a wrong desire for his
son’s wife. This wrong desire then led to the
divorcing of his son’s wife, which finally
culminated in Muhammad’s marriage to her.
Therefore, from the planting of the wrong desire for another man’s wife to the resulting marriage itself, it was all pre-arranged by Allah. According to the above Qur’anic verses, Allah planned and predestined the entire episode. In other words, Allah was the author of this disgraceful folly.

A sudden unintentional glance can be forgiven,
but when the glance causes a divorce then this
becomes a serious sin. The true God views the
sin of covetousness seriously. The Holy Bible
gives a warning in Matthew 19:6:

“Therefore, what God has yoked together
(in marriage) let no man put apart.”

Worshippers of the true God are strongly
warned against breaking up marriages, either
their own or that of others. Will the true God
who warns his worshippers not to break-up
marriages, do so himself? Certainly not!
Therefore, Allah cannot be the true God. Unlike Jehovah, Allah the imposter is a wrecker of marriages. With no justification whatsoever,
Allah broke-up the marriage of an innocent
man. Worse still, Allah’s sole reason for
breaking up the marriage of an innocent man is to satiate the adulterous sexual desire of his
Prophet.

To cover the shameful conduct of his Prophet,
Allah claims that the moral behind this affair is
that he wanted Muhammad to set the example for others to emulate, making it permissible for fathers to marry the divorced wives of their adopted sons and to remove the prohibition of such marriages. Allah is putting the cart before the horse. The truth is that the new legislation only came after Muhammad desired his daughter-in-law. There is an old saying that describes this justification of Allah, “the excuse is worse than the offence.”

The whole justification is moot. Even Aisha, the favorite wife of Muhammad, appears to be somewhat suspicious of Muhammad’s claim:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number
311:
Narrated Aisha: I said (to the Prophet), “I
feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your
wishes and desires.”

Scholar8200:
Now pay close attention to the highlighted words. The OT could only commence when God had made a covenant/testament with the Israelites and the terms thereof was known:

And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.[/b]
Exodus 24:7,8

A picture of what happened here is given in Deuteronomy 27: 14,15:


14 And the Levites shall speak, and say unto all the men of Israel with a loud voice,

15 Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.

HAving thus subscibed willingly, it is therefore expected that God will warn that if this covenant be broken, there will be dire consequences!

Now you may ask, what of those nations that God sent them to destroy? See below:

Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: [b]but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Deuteronomy 9:5


Now the reasons are given hence God, the Judge of the Whole Earth, saw it fit to drive those nations out. Reason? Their cup was full.

But they had no laws from God? Read through Genesis and see that even before the law, God revealed Himself to people generally. Some reverenced Him, others despised. For example, Job, Enoch etc were neither an Israelite nor a person under the law but his reverence to God was outstanding! They were faithful to the light they had. In the NT, we find God sending an Angel to Cornelius to lead him to the Gospel. etc

Having said that, did God spare Israel when they did similar things? NO! In the same fashion, other nations eg Babylon, Assyria etc were sent to destroy them (the Israelites). Read through Judges to get a picture.

2 Chronicles 36:16-19
but they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against his people, till there was no remedy.

17 Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand.

18 And all the vessels of the house of God, great and small, and the treasures of the house of the Lord, and the treasures of the king, and of his princes; all these he brought to Babylon.

19 And they burnt the house of God, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all the palaces thereof with fire, and destroyed all the goodly vessels thereof


Rather, it was a case of a Covenant, Justice and Retribution as already explained.


If you call them barbaric, against what standard do you make that judgement?

But the Jews were the offsprings of the people who made that covenant with God? And yes, there were people from other nations who joined themselves to God too.

Sure HE is. Besides, you appear to downplay that it is this same God that delivered Israel from Egypt,
sent Jonah to warn Nineveh and gladly forgave when Nineveh repented,
that brought Nebuchadnezzar back to his senses and blessed him exceedingly even though he was a Babylonian king,
that appeared to Abimelech to prevent him from sinning against Him,
that commanded Israel to show love to the Egyptians after they were delivered(Deut 23:7)
etc

analice107:
Pls ask him in conjunction with this, How come allah/jibil didn't tell muhammed where he will go when he died, Noo wait!!!, He was told, Hellfire

WORDWORLD:
ITS YOUR PROBLEM TO SOLVE NOT MINE. SO WHY SHOULD YOU BE ASKING ME TO TELL THE WORLD WHAT PETER'S REPLY WAS. ARE YOU ASHAME TO TELL US?

lexiconkabir:
Just as expected!!!

Scholar8200:
Matthew's quoting of Hosea which is here adjudged as twisting! Let the op or any of his supporters show us where from history, the HEBREW audience of Matthew's Gospel(at least they were the custodians of the OT, not the op) accused him of misquoting that verse from Hosea, then we can talk.

Moreover, I am surprised that there are some here that make disjointed and zero-correlation claims about portions of the same OT as referring to Mohammed!(neither a jew nor prophesied), but condemn a Gospel written to Hebrews who should have attacked this Hosea quote if it was indeed a lie.

Edybleketara:
Xup man, do u still stay in Enugu?

Pyrrho:
In respect to johnnydon, I will desist from engaging you further.

lexiconkabir:
Matthew was comparing jesus with isreal by quoting hosea right? Ok, hosea went further by saying that Israel did not cease in worshipping baal, so if it is indeed a comparison then I'm asking you, did jesus also worshipped baal?

lexiconkabir:
No so fast! Did jesus also worshipped baal?

lexiconkabir:
Ok we've heard you, why did matthew quote hosea out of context?

lexiconkabir:
Ok we've heard you, why did matthew quote hosea out of context?

lexiconkabir:
Readers can you see this one again? Why dont you leave islam out of this and answer a question that points to Christianity as a fraud?

Pyrrho:
who told you all of this?

WORDWORLD:
There is this verse in the Quran after meticulous study that explains when falsehood enconters TRUTH.

"Nay, We hurl the TRUTH against falshood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! AH! WOE BE TO YOU FOR THE (FALSE) THINGS YE ASCRIBE (TO US). Quran 21: 18.

Why did the writer of Matthew play on deception and attribute it to God.

WORDWORLD:
So,

Peter answered and said to him (Jesus Christ),"EVEN IF ALL ARE MADE TO STUMBLE BECAUSE OF YOU, I WILL NEVER BE MADE TO STUMBLE.'" Matthew 26: 33

Rilwayne 001, did you know what Jesus Christ's response was to his supposed 'FOREMOST DISCIPLE PETER', according to the Bible?

Jesus said to him (Peter), "Assuredly, I say to you that this night before the rooster crows, you will DENY ME THREE TIMES" Matthew 26 : 34.

Was Jesus refering to Peter as being FAITHLESS, A LIAR, A HYPOCRITE?

Why would Jesus have boldly told his foremost disciple Peter looking at him straight in the eye ball, Peter to whom miracles upon miracles and upon miracles were performed before his eyes by Jesus Christ, that he, Peter will 3 times tell LIES, DENY his suppose master Jesus Christ at the most crucial moment, the time Peter was meant be proofing his CHRISTIANITY, faith in CHRIST.

Or did Jesus Christ teach his disciples the art of telling lies? Was that why Jesus said Peter will DENY him because he, Peter has mastered the art from, Christ?

Jesus didn't teach us to be telling LIES but he taught us that THE TRUTH SHALL ALWAYS SET US FREE?

We should understand that for anybody to deny Christ while professing being a Christian means he or she is a HYPOCRITE.

RE-EMPHASIZING BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE.
So, Christ said to Peter the 'FOREMOST CHRISTIAN' that he, Peter will tell LIES, not once which could be excused, not twice which we could say its a repeated mistake but thrice which is a CONFIRMATION of a DENIAL of Christ. Proofing where Peter truely had always stood and have been walking all along with Christ, as just being without FAITH in Christ, OBVIOUSLY. Jesus knew all along that he was surrounded by FAITHLESS, infact 12 HYPOCRITES according to the way the story is related in the Bible.

So, Rilwayne 001, guess what,

Peter (insisted and) said to Christ "Even if I have to die with you, I WILL NOT DENY YOU!" AND SO SAID ALL THE DISCIPLES. Matthew 26 : 35

Hmm really?!!! 

Then, came the test of FAITH. And no matter how much a tortoise pretends to be a turtle, it must drown when made to justify itself in the waters because its not being TRUE to itself but FALSE. 

Jesus Christ was sentenced to die on the cross like a CRIMINAL after being sold by one of the 12 hypocrites who have all along paraded themselves as his disciples.  

Do not misunderstand me.

I am not mocking Christ by saying, him being sentenced to die on the cross like a 'CRIMINAL' . For in TRUTH the cross was meant for only criminals and according to the Bible he was crucified along with Two other criminals.

To make matters clear, we also read in the same Bible that a PAGAN, A ROMAN GOVERNOR , BY THE NAME PILATE who never had any business with Christ like Peter did and the rest of they so called disciples too. He, Pilate didn't follow Christ through his journeys and his delivering of sermons on mountains high, never ate from the five loaves of bread and fish that fed thousands, nor witnessed Christ's other numerous miracles. PILATE DID NOT DENY CHRIST BUT ACKNOWLEGDED HIM TO BE INNOCENT AND A JUST PERSON AND NOT BEING A CRIMINAL.
Hence its no mockery from my part.

Rilwayne 001 just keep on reading,

Pilate said, "what then shall I do with Jesus who is also the Christ? They said let him be crucified. Then the governor said 'why, what evil has he done?" But they cried out all the more saying. Let Him be CRUCIFIED!"..........(Pilates response was) "I AM INNOCENT OF THE BLOOD OF THIS JUST PERSON. YOU SEE TO IT". Matthew 27 : 22 - 24   

INNOCENT and a JUST man acccording to Pilate and didn't want anything to do with how they intend to treat Jesus. That is as far has Pilate's conscience and power could fight for the innocent and just Christ even though a pagan who stands to gain not a grain in the Kingdom of heaven, didn't deny Christ. 

What was the conscience of Peter and they remaining disciples?

ismayl:
but series of sexual pervasions and insest in ur bible.daughter drugeed fatherb in other to sleep wit him
solomon series of lyrics