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malvisguy212:
the bible is a complete book which message are easy to understand but it may take a lifetime to understand the TRUTH IN IT.

malvisguy212:
Evangelism thread deserve to be on the homepage moderators. Seun, Ishilove, Lalasticlala.

malvisguy212:
The Greek term for "firstborn" is
prototokos. Firstborn of all creation does NOT mean christ was "born first" or created first, NO it refer to christ POSITION of SUPREMACY by virtue
of the fact that He is the Creator of all
things and everything came through Him
, see verse 16. The word "firstborn" in Colossians 1:15 refers to positional priority not temporal priority. For example In Psalm 89:27 King
David is placed as FIRSTBORN,but David
was actually the last-born son of Jesse.
Isreal is call "FIRSTBORN" but Israel was not the first nation that God brought into existence, but POSITIONALLY as God's chosen and privileged nation
Israel was supreme.

The simply conclusion in colossian 1 was, the word firstborn was NOT use to described chronological oder of event. It was use to express Christ's priority as the CREATOR because all OTHER created being came through HIM as verse 16 say and I quote:

" FOR IN HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED : things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been
created THROUGH HIM and for him. "

There is a Greek word which means FIRST CREATED (protoktistos) but Paul did not use this word of Christ.

malvisguy212:
If God eradicated everyone who has ever caused pain by selfishness, cheating, lying, gossiping or hurtful
remarks, who would be left? People say, "Suffering is God's fault!", In other words,if we disobey God,it's God's fault?
conveniently forgetting times our own anger, greed and lies hurt others. To wipe out some people who cause suffering, and spare you and me, would make God guilty of gross injustice. We have each added to humanity's shame.

If there is a God of love, the people he loves and longs to place in a pain-free world are the very ones who cause
humanity's suffering.

We are so far from being innocent that we owe our very existence to sin. If, for example, we traced our family tree far
enough,we would probably each find an ancestor born as a result of sin - rape, unlawful incest, a despised pregnancy,
sex before marriage, and the like.
Humanity can boast only ONE PERFECT PERSON . We killed him.

Frequently, we hear or read a comment like this:
"I simply cannot believe in a God who
permits innocent children to starve and suffer, and men like Hitler and Stalin to murder millions of people."

The examples may vary,but the thoughts are always the same. Supposedly,this is "proof" that either God doesn't exist, or that if He does, He either doesn't care about our sufferings, or He is not powerful enough to do
anything about them. But suffering is neither proof of God's non-existence or
existence. Saying, "If God exists, why is
there suffering?" is like saying "If San Francisco exists, why are there earthquakes?" Do earthquakes occur because San Francisco causes them? Or do they occur in spite of San Francisco? Or do they have nothing to do with San
Francisco? Well, we know the answer to that question because we know about San Francisco and we know about
earthquakes.But how much do we really know about God? If we define Him by our own nature, then He cannot be of
any greater character than ourselves.

We may ascribe to Him a greater power than ourselves, but when we suppose that God should or should not act like this or that,then all we are really saying is, "He should act like I would if I
were God."

STARVING:
Now, let's look at starving children. The Bible says that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. That
includes everything necessary to feed and provide for its inhabitants. Can anyone deny that the earth is capable of producing more than enough food to feed the entire globe? Well then, if people are starving, whose fault is that? If God made the earth, is He also supposed to plant and distribute our crops for us? Do you remember the tons of food that were shipped to Ethiopia,
but did not reach the starving people who needed it? Whose fault was that?

The reason that over 90% of the masses have barely enough to survive on,is that there is a problem of DISTRIBUTION, not of SUPPLY .A tiny minority have far more than they need, depriving the many.

SUFFERING:
Regarding suffering that is the result of sin, what could be clearer than Romans 1:28–29 and Galatians 6:8–9? The
unbeliever may stomp about with all vigor and complain that it is "bigotry" to associate the rise of AIDS and other diseases to sin; that biblical morality is
narrow-minded, outdated, and totally wrong. But this fact is unalterable: In a society where biblical morality is abandoned, suffering always increases.
Where biblical morality is followed, suffering always declines. Always. (Isa.59:1-4).

As to Hitler, Stalin, street gangs and senseless murders: Would any of these things happen if people followed the teachings of Jesus? Do you realize what
this world would be like if people simply followed God's instructions? There would be no murder, no wars. There would be no welfare, because families
would take care of their own (and families would stay together) and those who did not have families would be
provided for by their fellow-members in Christ. There would be no starvation… I could go on, but the point is: God has
provided us answers; whose fault is it that we don't seek them or heed them when we find them?

I suspect that those who use suffering as a "proof" of God's non-existence would not want to have their free choice taken away from them,but that's exactly what God would have to do if He were to enforce His will on the earth. For if God were to intervene in the matter of
suffering, would He not also intervene in the matter of sin? If He did, He would have to be a dictator.

Then how would we react? We would not want that,and according to the Bible, God doesn't want it either. He wants us to obey Him because we want to, not because we have to. And in order to accomplish this, He must allow two things to happen. First, in order to grant us free choice, He must provide us with graphic examples of the consequences of the wrong choice. Secondly,He must allow injustices and sufferings; otherwise he'd provide sinful mankind with every blessing and benefit without restriction. If everything in this life was fair, good and happy, what need would there be to seek a better life? Why would we seek a Deliverer, if there was nothing to be delivered from? Suffering is not something that ought to turn people away from God, but draw them to Him.

malvisguy212:
Justification is the concept that provides
our belief with the assuredness of its
truth. People believe things for reasons,
which provide the warrant for their belief.Without these reasons,you do not have knowledge of what you believe. If a belief is JUSTIFIED, then we have the right to believe it. Atheists got it wrong, there view was; " since you cannot know something with 100% certainty, you cannot obtain the truth (or knowledge), you just have to believe ,God did it". The bible say otherwise, in Isaiah 1:18 God is calling human to "come and let us REASON together"

This brief journey into obtaining knowledge of what you belief was done in order to show the relationship between FAITH,BELIEF AND TRUTH . Christianity requires faith, faith requires
belief, and belief requires TRUTH.This is not just a mere belief but rather a trust that is characterized as knowledge.


Notice how Paul incorporates all three of these elements in his letter to the
Romans, “if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). You cannot "confess with your mouth" without knowing the truth.

No matter how hard I try, I cannot make myself believe that there is a pink elephant in the room right now. I do not have direct free will over my beliefs, i.e. I can’t make myself believe something. I also cannot just tell people what to believe or exhort them to believe it. But if I don’t have free will over my beliefs, how can the Bible hold me responsible for them? The answer lies in the fact that I do have responsibility as to where I choose to focus my mind. I have free choice in body movements and where to place my attention (what you choose to think about). I have to choose to be preoccupied with something to change my belief or increase my certainty in that belief .Faith in the biblical sense means trust or confidence, confident in what we know to be TRUE. You do not have to be 100% certain in a belief for it to count as knowledge.

The bible say faith alone cannot save , why? because what you have faith in
must be TRUE, Biblical faith is accurate knowledge combined with ACTIVE TRUST Faith and knowledge are not opposed to each other. So Trusting faith alone does NOT save, but instead what is trusted MUST be true.

The faith Jesus had was not an absence of knowledge, but was based upon an intimate knowledge of his Father. We too can gain knowledge to make our faith richer.

Ifeann:
How can any sensible person remain unmoved when he or she finds the Quran saying: “strike off the heads of the unbelievers” then after a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47:4 ).


A "deity" that claims it is the best of deceivers.

—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.
Qur'an 3:54
—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.
Qur'an 7:99
—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.
Qur'an 8:30


what examples did Mohammed set; lets see-

Muhammad had said to his followers “Whoever curses a
prophet kill him,” (Tabarani, Daraqutni) and there are
many examples of people during his time who were guilty of
blaspheming Islam and its Prophet. Most of these people were
assassinated with Muhammad's blessing, and no punishment
or compensation was imposed on the murderer.

other Examples of those who died because they criticized muhammad;
'Abdullah bin Ubai (bin Salul) - Muhammad asked his
followers to kill this man for making "evil" statements
about Muhammad's family.

Abu `Afak - Muhammad asked his followers to kill this
man for making negative remarks about Muhammad and
Islam.

Ka’b bin Ashraf - Muhammad asked his followers to kill
this man for writing inflammatory poetry about
Muhammad and Muslim women.
Asma Bint Marwan - Muhammad asked his followers to kill
this woman for composing inflammatory poetry about Islam
and Muslims.

Blind Man's Slave-Mother - When Muhammad learned that
one of his followers had stabbed and killed his slave (other
sources refer to her as a freed concubine: Umm walad ) for
making derogatory remarks about Muhammad, he declared
that " no retaliation is payable for her blood. "

DesChyko:
I don't think it's all Islamic followers that believe such. I had this conversation with a Muslim cleric four days ago and with bitterness, he let me understand how some brethrens misinterprete the Quran, forgetting the difference between that time and now. He gave a lot of instances, including these killings, stating clearly that Muhammed is a messenger of peace, hence any defaulter is not following his teaching. He's a Yoruba muslim though.

dalaman:
What is evil? Was goodness created?

Lilbrown007:
Common Who Created Love I bet U Will Say God Did Now Apply What You Wrote Up To That

Lilbrown007:
How Can Something Exist And Not Be Created

Lilbrown007:
How Can Something Exist And Not Be Created

Lilbrown007:
So Evil Doesn't Exist Then

Lilbrown007:
Common You Said This Na

malvisguy212:
Evil is uncreated.

Lilbrown007:
So U Mean Satan Is Superior To GOD!!! He Was Able To Create Evil Of His Will Do U Also Mean God Is Not Perfect?? If U Agree That Angels Could Create Evil Of Their Will?? Did Satan Also Eat The Apple ni?? But God Created That Tree So GOD Created Evil!!!

Lilbrown007:
No No No You Ain't Answering The Question Where Did Devil Get That Idea Of Evil Or Proudness From??

Naijaboy007:
Lucifer didn't rebel

Naijaboy007:
My b3 was low and no electricity then

Satan's rebellion is one of the greatest lie of the buybull

According to the buybllYahweh is a self righteous, self acclaimed perfectionist and he created Angels without a conscious mind, i.e they can't act on their own they only follow yahweh's instructions.

Now where did lucifer a being who can't act on his own get the idea of rebellion from

PastorAIO:
This post would be valid if christians kept God a private affair, but they don't they use it to make a public nuisance of themselves. Atheists become concerned when their day to day lives get affected for the worse by the delusion of others.

Joagbaje:
what you quoted above was not the sin of satan. this was only some of his works after his fall. the sin of satan is rebellion which he did even before adam was created

malvisguy212:
If satan want mankind to be like god, why did he began his quest with trick ? We are created in the image of God, we are gods, satan has another motive, here is it:
Isaiah 14
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
13
You said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;[ c]
14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
15
But you are brought down to Sheol,
to the far reaches of the pit.

Owliver:
what's the difference between this and the one practised in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Co? beheading publicly for blasphemy. what's the difference. you religion sucks

PastorAIO:
What are you 'good one'-ing about? Did you understand what he was saying? What did you understand? Does what he said tally with anything you said?

Good one ko, Good one ni!

tunaguy:
No matter what all this church people preach i always know something doesn't add up nothing adds up..... I thought God could do all things why didn't he make us right i tought he could strip us from the knowledge why didn't he do it yet if we don't worship him we will be burnt... Rubbish!!!!!

Naijaboy007:
See the way they are avoiding this thread

hericjames:
Muslim faithful help me I want to convert can you tell me the difference between allah and mohammed(saw)
Your answer will help tanks

InesQor:
Yes it's hard to draw the line between a subconscious reaction and a conscious one, but each person knows when they begin "dwelling" on thoughts of sin. The very fact that we "hear" suggestions of temptation in our subconscious means we are liable to sin, but when we consciously begin to fantasize on it then the tables turn and we are dwelling in sin.

Jesus was "tempted in all ways as we are". This statement would make no sense if he never had the urges or was not liable to sin, but the key thing is that he didn't dwell on them.

John wrote about this, understanding that "newcomers in faith" (i.e. those with less experience handling sin) need to be guided out of it.
I write this, dear children, to guide you out of sin. But if anyone does sin, we have a Priest-Friend in the presence of the Father: Jesus Christ, righteous Jesus. When he served as a sacrifice for our sins, he solved the sin problem for good—not only ours, but the whole world’s.

"Solving the sin problem for good" means that Jesus' sacrifice gives us a fallback when we do sin. That's some hope, at least.

And he tops it up in 1 John 2:15-17 by telling us how to keep ourselves from living in sin. Reading the below passage shows that it takes a conscious effort. The subconscious temptation in itself doesn't count, so that "number of seconds" between the subconscious and conscious can't be something fixed for everyone. Sin is isolating ourselves from God, and there are some common triggers for it.
Don’t love the world’s ways. Don’t love the world’s goods. Love of the world squeezes out love for the Father. Practically everything that goes on in the world—wanting your own way, wanting everything for yourself, wanting to appear important—has nothing to do with the Father. It just isolates you from him. The world and all its wanting, wanting, wanting is on the way out—but whoever does what God wants is set for eternity.

Sin places that gun in our hands, we feel the weight and contemplate using it. The choice to press the trigger is always ours, but the longer you hold on to the gun and admire its beauty and grow dependent on it for your protection, the more likely you will use it on someone.

PastorAIO:
Good, that's all I was asking.

malvisguy212:
christ is a man, he was subjected to weakness, but the bible say He never sin. God the son is not subjected to weakness, He made His dwelling on the man (christ) who know no sins, God the son dwell on the man jesus because His body is sinless, purest, the bible say God hate sin, that's why God made his dwelling on christ.

PastorAIO:
Good, that's all I was asking.

sonOfLucifer:
One only reqiires basic comprehension skills to see the gaping holes in your logic.
Which Jesus was weak? Jesus the God or Jesus the Man? What does 'subjecting oneself to weakness' mean?
If any 'subjecting' was being done, it was Jesus taming his flesh to his will.
But, na wa.. why not just learn Greek so you can be closer to God? Who knows the many misconceptions you might have because a word was loosely or wrongly translated?

PastorAIO:
See how you constantly fail. Na so them dey fail exam o!

I did not ask you if Jesus sinned. I asked if you mean that He was subjected to weakness the way I am subjected to weakness. That's all. If you can't answer my question that's okay. Talk anything you want to talk but don't quote me as if you are addressing my question when you are not.

PastorAIO:
What exactly do you mean when you say 'subjected to weakness'. Do you mean that Jesus experienced what I experienced at the first flush of puberty, when I looked at our neighbours daughter and spontaneously had a glorious awakening. I rose to the occasion like I never knew I could.

PastorAIO:
So according to you Malvisguy212 was wrong when he said the following:



Satan first tried the weak spot so that was temptation. Then he got desperate and decided to do 'try ur luck' in which case he would have been attacking strong spots. Therefore according to Malvis that is not temptation but Trial. And Trial comes from God.
Ergo: Satan is equal to God.

It seems to me that you are ready to twist and distort the bible just to protect certain non-biblical doctrines that you have taken up. Of course I'm not surprised.



Luke 4: 13And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time.