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johnydon22:
We also waiting for followers of other religions to come defend their doctrines

johnydon22:
If the person offering you salvation is the same person threatening you then
it is not salvation, it is an emotional genocide and abuse of an individual's
choices..

Carry on

johnydon22:
as usual the point is lost to you because you never read before commenting, here is the point



Not whether some mythical Hell exists or not, we have thousands of hell from different God concepts..

johnydon22:
Here is a more likely scenario

"Let me tell you something Mary,
if you leave me i will take away everything you hold dear and will surely kill you
myself.
If you stay with me i'll save you and you will be safe because i assure you no
harm will come to you from me but if you go on with this your act of rebellion i
will make your existence a horrible one, don't you see i love you mary?"
He sighs
"It's either you stay with me and love me like i love you or it will turn out ugly"

malvisguy212:
Hellow.

johnydon22:
No atheist ever looses sleep over something as childish as HELL otherwise he/she won't be atheistic.

Believe it or not we are only trying to help whimps like you who can't on their own break away from the grips of some nonsensical belief..

You should be "thanking them" for doing what you have no courage to

ayoku777:
Yes, He did. And what about that? Do you have a question?

malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!


I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?

Buharism:
preaching and judging are two different things:
Preaching: When u spread the good news to people via bible study, gatherings etc without insulting or demeaning their beliefs. these include performing miracle, showing of love irrespective of differences, giving alms, offering help in times of difficulty.
.
Judging: When u attack other peoples beliefs because u feel your belief is stronger than theirs, this include insulting, abusing and blaming other peoples beliefs as the reason why their is civil unrest.
.
Spread the Good news of the Lord, but endeavour to respect other people beliefs and point of view, conversion is not by hatred, but via love

Larryfest:
Lets assumed there is a problem and one was told to pray and fast about it which one listened to and did,how long can one actually wait for the replies from God before panicking and thinking maybe the prayer and fasting weren't accepted by God?

Scholar8200:
That is another way of saying:

The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Luke 12:47,48

I believe though that the servant who ,assuming ignorance is bliss, shuns every opportunity to know will be treated just like the one who knew.

olasesi:
That you keep up with his rules and regulations.

Buharism:
James 4:11-12
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

johnydon22:
Isn't it so wonderful how Christians have a God who is so effective at healing that they have to run to the hospital when ever they are sick

lordnicklaus:
Yea I know that already! Mark is the oldest gospel and some of Paul's letters are older than the gospels.

Scholar8200:
Like you would have noticed in the Bible, chronological order plays little or no part. What matters is that there was a disciple called Levi/Matthew

malvisguy212:
The Greek term for "firstborn" is
prototokos. Firstborn of all creation does NOT mean christ was "born first" or created first, NO it refer to christ POSITION of SUPREMACY by virtue
of the fact that He is the Creator of all
things and everything came through Him
, see verse 16. The word "firstborn" in Colossians 1:15 refers to positional priority not temporal priority. For example In Psalm 89:27 King
David is placed as FIRSTBORN,but David
was actually the last-born son of Jesse.
Isreal is call "FIRSTBORN" but Israel was not the first nation that God brought into existence, but POSITIONALLY as God's chosen and privileged nation
Israel was supreme.

The simply conclusion in colossian 1 was, the word firstborn was NOT use to described chronological oder of event. It was use to express Christ's priority as the CREATOR because all OTHER created being came through HIM as verse 16 say and I quote:

" FOR IN HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED : things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been
created THROUGH HIM and for him. "

There is a Greek word which means FIRST CREATED (protoktistos) but Paul did not use this word of Christ.

malvisguy212:
Can we really understand the trinity ? We can't , how can a finite being understand an infinite God ? Our responsibility is to believe what God has said about Himself.

The old testament prove the fact that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Isreal is surrounded with many nation that worship different gods. God people needed to know that there is only ONE GOD:

Deut. 6:4
"Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is ONE LORD"

This verse give two details about God. 1. The nature of God (God's ONENESS) and 2. Jehovah is the only God.The old testament emphasizing of the UNITY of God, is not silent with respect to
the PLURALITY of God's Nature. The old testament lay the groundwork for the new testament revelation.

The hebrew word for God is Elohim, plural in form."In the beginning God CREATED" (Genesis 1:1). God is the omnipotent CREATOR! The name for "God" found in Genesis 1:1 is the Hebrew word "ELOHIM" the ending of this word (..IM) is a plural ending,(more than one) just like our english language "S" is the ending word for plural. For example:

1. CHERUBIM (Exodus 25:18-20)
2. SERAPHIM (Isaiah 6:2,6)
3. TERAPHIM(judges 17:5)

The words end with IM , they are plural in form. In Genesis 1:1 the verb "CREATED" is a
SINGULAR verb, and it means "HE (singular)
CREATED." Two answers may be given to the
question, "Who created the heavens and the
earth?"
1. HE DID (singular) because the verb means
"HE CREATED." The verb does not mean
"THEY CREATED."
2. GOD DID (plural) because the word
ELOHIM is a plural word!

So, there is a sense in which God the Creator is
singular. There is only ONE God and He is the
Creator. There is no other God. It is also true
that there is a sense in which He is plural. This
brings us to our next point:

PLURAL UNITY OF GOD.
Deuteronomy 6:4 says: "Hear, O Israel: The
LORD [singular] our God [ELOHIM-plural] is ONE Lord."

God is Love, if God is two, our Love will be DIVIDED and one will not Get our full devotion. So YES, God is ONE and He deserve our Full attention.

The Hebrew word"ONE"found in Deuteronomy 6:4 is a word that can be used to describe a
plural (composite) UNITY (a unity made up of
more than one component). For Example in Genesis 11:5 "Behold, the PEOPLE IS ONE." The
people (plural) at Babel were united together as ONE. It was a UNITY, but it was made up of
many people (a plural unity).

Another example is in Genesis 2:24 where the same word "one" is found: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh." Here we have a plural unity. It is a ONENESS made up of two persons" a husband and a wife" They (plural) shall be one (singular) flesh. The two are one.

Just as Genesis 11:5 speaks of a plural unity
(many people being ONE), and just as Genesis
2:24 speaks of a plural unity (two people being
ONE), so also Deuteronomy 6:4 describes God
who is a PLURAL UNITY. Later we will learn that this plural unity is actually a TRI-UNITY.

In Isaiah 6:8 , we have a threefold
declaration of God's holiness: "And one cried
unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is
the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of His
glory" (Isaiah 6:3). we learn elsewhere in Scripture, namely that 1) God the Father is Holy (John 17:11); 2) God the Son is Holy (Heb. 7:26 and compare Luke 1:35); 3) God the Holy Spirit is Holy (as His very Name declares)

In Genesis , God is repeatedly mention as the creator, and in Genesis 1:2 we saw how the Holy spirit is actively involve " was moving in the face of the water. And in john 1:1 we understand that the Word (jesus) was God and everything were created through Him.

malvisguy212:
promoting what ? You mean by exposing the evil teaching in the quran , I am promoting it ?

Rilwayne001:
I presume you have never for once sat down on your own and read your Bible in between lines from Genesis to at least 1 kings.. I lie?

Rilwayne001:
was kjv wrong when it translated it to be "thou shall not kill"?





And so what Does that give Yahweh the excuse of killing them for what they choosed for themselves?



So killing them is a good thing to do? If you happened to be in yahweh's shoe, would you do that?
Yet you fools come here to criticize Allah for this same thing.. Goddamnit




Yet you and the belligerent op find it hard to apply this to those verses of the Quran he quoted..



what if I tell you it is your duty to go to mosque instead of allowing you father to lure you to worship Jesus, for this reason you are to kill your father for enticing you.. What would be your perception?



It isn't wrong, however, the law must be clear and applicable to all.

Rilwayne001:
Deu 13:6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, Deu 13:7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),Deu 13:8 do not yield to him or listen to him.. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him.Deu 13:9 You must certainly put him to death.. [size=16pt] Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, [/size] and then the hands of all the people. Deu 13:10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. <<<< This is an example of what I am saying. Why can't Yahweh do the killing himself?

ireneony:
Hahaha superstitions

malvisguy212:
Our desperate need is not for clever arguments but for a powerful encounter with the living God (1 Corinthians 4:20).
And we need not more dramatic signs from heaven, but to act on what we already know. The door to spiritual understanding is not human explanation,but supernatural revelation it swings not on mind games but on a willingness to surrender our stubborn will to One who knows better than us (John 7:17; 2 Corinthians 3:14-16; 4:3-4; 1 Corinthians 2:4-16;.

Draw near to God and he will draw near to you, promises the Bible (James 4:. Until we respond to the light we already
have, God is unlikely to squander further enlightenment upon us. With
insincere excuses we might even fool ourselves, but not the One who knows everything. We don't decide how much
evidence we need: God does.Neither do we have the final say as to when God will lose patience with us.

malvisguy212:
were did you explained it ? You said it was the quran saying " we have kill the messiah" does it make sense to you ? I don't even know why I am still replying you.

Rilwayne001:
I am under Islamic manipulation? Okay, I agree. Can you now tell us why Yahweh was saying "though shall not kill" in one place and at the same time commanding his foot soldiers to commit genocide in another place?

virginboy1:
You can't force someone to love you but you can convince them to via proof.

HardMirror:
They have eyes but cannot see. Truth is staring them in the face everyday. Don't u see them here on NL? They are not ready to question the book