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Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Said Jesus Will Go To HELL by malvisguy212: 8:52pm On Feb 07, 2016

DeathStroke007:
ao far dull guy.. you don show with your senseless copy and paste posts that you have no idea about what it's saying nor you can defend it...

I no get your time.. quote me again when you have reasonable thing to discuss

if you cannot explained the quranic verse I provide , why are you a muslims ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Said Jesus Will Go To HELL by malvisguy212: 8:48pm On Feb 07, 2016

vfactor:
Good! Hell in that context means hades or grave or world of the dead. That what hell means in all portions of the bible where it is mentioned. Its so unfortunate that KJV uses the same word "hell" for both Hades and Gehenna, which mean different things!

you are a jehovah witness. I have questions for you guys, but not now.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Praise The Universe.... I Finally Became An Atheist! by malvisguy212: 8:42pm On Feb 07, 2016

iamexcelblog:
I have never been so happy in my life dear. I feel so free to harness my potential and be responsible for all my actions....

the mystery surrounding this universe, supernatural happening, dreams and sooo many things I've come across , NO there must be God, God is their. No wonder the Bible says, "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'" (Ps. 14:1) A person has to intentionally fail to use his mind and logic in order to come up with the ludicrous conclusion that God does not exist. If God does not exist, how does one explain the fact that the universe exists, unless a person wants to deny the existence of the universe?

The Apostle Paul puts it this way,

"The invisible things about Him—His eternal power and deity—have been clearly seen since the creation of the world and are understood by the things that are made,so that they are without excuse" (Rom 1:20). Paul is saying the fact that the "creation" exists means the "Creator" exists. You cannot have one without the other.

Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Said Jesus Will Go To HELL by malvisguy212: 8:21pm On Feb 07, 2016

DeathStroke007:
biblical Jesus ain't our isa...

malvisguy212:
hell in this context is NOT the final state of the LOST.
Acts 2:31
31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was NOT abandoned to the realm of the dead,NOR DID HIS BODY SEE DECAY.
And verse 33 say :
33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
"hell" in this context meant hades as such, rather than the final state of the lost,It simply means “the place of the
dead” or “the place of departed souls/
spirits. (which Jesus called gehenna), as it always is today.
But in the quran, we are told were muhammed and his followers will end up, the quran made it clear, is not the place of hades as I explained up their, is the final place of the LOST;
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:
“They (the angels) would recognise
them in the FIRE by the marks of
prostration , for HELL-FIRE WILL DEVOUR everything (limb) of the sons of
Adam except the marks of
prostration. Allah has forbidden the
fire to consume the marks of
prostration. They will be taken out
of the Fire having been burnt …”
Amazingly, concerning the followers of Jesus, Christ, the Qur’an states:
Surah 3:55: “Behold! Allah said: ‘O
Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee
to Myself and clear thee of the
falsehood of those who blaspheme; I
will make those who follow thee
superior to those who disbelieve
until the Day of
Resurrection.” (Yusuf Ali)
The above statement in the Qur’an
reveals the superiority of those who
follow Jesus Christ. Those who follow
Jesus are Christians. Of course, this does
not apply to those who are Christians in
name only but to those who are his true
faithful followers. These are the ones
who will be exalted. They are exalted,
not because of any personal superiority
on their part but on account of truly
submitting to the teachings of Christ as it is revealed in the Holy Bible.
According to the above Qur’anic verse,
Christians will be “exalted” or made
“superior” until the Day of Resurrection. The Day of Resurrection or Qiyamah refers to the “time of the end.”
For Christians to be exalted until the
time of the end, true Christianity must be present in this world until the “time of the end.”
For true Christianity to be present in this world until the time of the end, true
Christians must remain in this world until the “time of the end.”

DeathStroke007:
biblical Jesus ain't our isa...

Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Said Jesus Will Go To HELL by malvisguy212: 8:16pm On Feb 07, 2016

vfactor:
Interesting, never knew apostle Paul wrote the book if James.

This might also interest u:

Ac 2:25-27:

Jesus did actually go to hell.

hell in this context is NOT the final state of the LOST.

Acts 2:31
31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was NOT abandoned to the realm of the dead,NOR DID HIS BODY SEE DECAY.

And verse 33 say :

33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

"hell" in this context meant hades as such, rather than the final state of the lost,It simply means “the place of the
dead” or “the place of departed souls/
spirits. (which Jesus called gehenna), as it always is today.

But in the quran, we are told were muhammed and his followers will end up, the quran made it clear, is not the place of hades as I explained up their, is the final place of the LOST;

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:
“They (the angels) would recognise
them in the FIRE by the marks of
prostration , for HELL-FIRE WILL DEVOUR everything (limb) of the sons of
Adam except the marks of
prostration. Allah has forbidden the
fire to consume the marks of
prostration. They will be taken out
of the Fire having been burnt …”

Amazingly, concerning the followers of Jesus, Christ, the Qur’an states:

Surah 3:55: “Behold! Allah said: ‘O
Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee
to Myself and clear thee of the
falsehood of those who blaspheme; I
will make those who follow thee
superior to those who disbelieve
until the Day of
Resurrection.” (Yusuf Ali)

The above statement in the Qur’an
reveals the superiority of those who
follow Jesus Christ. Those who follow
Jesus are Christians. Of course, this does
not apply to those who are Christians in
name only but to those who are his true
faithful followers. These are the ones
who will be exalted. They are exalted,
not because of any personal superiority
on their part but on account of truly
submitting to the teachings of Christ as it is revealed in the Holy Bible.

According to the above Qur’anic verse,
Christians will be “exalted” or made
“superior” until the Day of Resurrection. The Day of Resurrection or Qiyamah refers to the “time of the end.”

For Christians to be exalted until the
time of the end, true Christianity must be present in this world until the “time of the end.”

For true Christianity to be present in this world until the time of the end, true
Christians must remain in this world until the “time of the end.”

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 12:43pm On Feb 07, 2016

openmine:
Who is dis one?
If indeed u applied ur brains properly like u said,u wud have noticed where i said this thread is not for you since you believe the bible doesnt make sense...
Why waste ur time arguing about this wen u know u don't believe in the bible?
Like i said before,ur arguments are unnecessary and baseless on this thread without the application of the bible...gerrit?

I believe in the bible and i believe in God...i don't know about ur beliefs....but its definitely not like mine...and i cant defend wat u dont even believe in...wat for? we will only be going round in circles...
Bro..lets get one thing clear,u have chosen ur path using ur brains ...i have chosen mine using the word of God
Every man his own lifestyle....

No bro...wat i typed which u called 'rubbish' was plain English language spiced wit explicit instructions ...Unless u want me to explain it for you 'word for word'..though dat will be an irony...

Once again i can not waste my precious time defending my beliefs wen i know u have already created a terrible perception of the bible and of God..
Of wat use is it explaining to you about the scriptures wen You don't even believe in God or his word?...Its like pouring water on a basket...

To me Christianity is a way of life..to you its not...wats d big deal?...different strokes for different folks...no one is stopping u from declaring that other beliefs are a way of life.....
Thats ur choice...not mine...
Ohh yes,every thing is special about Christianity...and am more than comfortable with it...

Ohh...then Why are u here on this thread...?
We don't hate been challenged....Thats ur perception about us...on the contrary we are willing to defend our faith in God...
But like i said before now,wats d point wen u have already created ur wrong impression about the bible and of God...?

Finally,U are free to believe in wat u want to believe...thats ur choice...and i totally respect that just the same way i respect a Muslim's belief...

Once again,If you don't believe in the bible or God,this thread will never make sense to you...Good day bro

perfect bro. Ignored the atheist. I love your post.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of Barnabas Laid To Rest! by malvisguy212: 11:18am On Feb 07, 2016

Rilwayne001:
Calm down Mr. Annumonkey. I am not saying that the Kjv is not an English translation, my question is, before 1611 when Kjv was completed, what English translation was available? how dId the English speaking people gainEd access to the inspired word of god?

original Aramaic original Hebrew? I doubt you dummkopf knows that We don't have the original of any book of the New Testament. The alleged original copies we have were made much later, in most instances many centuries later. These are things yOu guys supposed To know, instead of following your pastors like a dummy.

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what a silly question.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why I'll Stay Home This Sunday by malvisguy212: 10:53am On Feb 07, 2016

kilokeys:
Do not neglect the fellowship of believers.. Thats a truth.

But sometimes, we just need a break from the mystical bombardment and get a clear head, don't we?

I'll be glad to hear how ur service went today.

How u can relate spiritual principles to our everyday lives.

We are all Nigerians..

Are u stuck on hearing, God's time is the best?
Why does that phrase come when the "pastor" thinks you are impatient?

Are all problems relating to spiritual battles?

No electricity, we pray
No water, we pray
No jobs, we pray

Shake our buttocks in spiritual ecstacy..
Why do pastors and church leaders shy away from civil issues?
They wanna play safe, they don't wanna be like Martin Luther King Jr.

"it is well" is the singular phrase that has killed millions of Nigerians.

We keep waiting.

To be utterly brainwashed is to believe;

The Americans prayed to have the constant power they have.
The Norwegians prayed and crime drastically reduced
The Chinese prayed their way into technological innovations
The South Africans sat in the churches and prayed against apartheid
All high-paid workers are fervent christians
Every rich man not a Christian is into dirty deals
The Witches in Africa are the strongest

Oh foolish Nigerians, who have bewitched you?

The economy isn't working... They make it seem it's ur fault

Yeah, ur uncle is responsible
You need to pray more
Sow the seeds

We become actors featuring in life's
Fast and furious
Fire water land and air benders

Will God do for man what man ought to do for himself?

I guess prayers coming from this part of the world would flood Heaven's spam folder and probably assigned to Angel Fatai to sort out the trash

I'll be in church next Sunday.. As a better Christian

you have faith in God, but your faith is NOT a savings faith. Their are days when life doesent seem to come easy, We can’t always control what happens to us, but we can always control how we choose to respond. Try to keep positive attitude regardless of how life is, good or bad.

“Rejoice always, pray continually, give
thanks in all circumstances; for this is
God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. ” 1
Thessalonians 5:16-18

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 10:30am On Feb 07, 2016

Lalasticala, OAM4J.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A True Christian Abandon Christianity? by malvisguy212: 9:49pm On Feb 06, 2016

A born again christian can abandoned his faith if he did not heed to the warning the bible give:

1 Peter 5:8
8 BE ALERT and of sober mind. Your
enemy the devil prowls around like a
roaring lion looking for someone to
devour.

One thing for sure, this verse was not referring to sinners, "BE ALERT" is a warning to the believers to be very careful of the devil. If a person does not "hold fast" to the gospel message, then according to Paul he is not saved. He has believed IN VAIN (1 Cor. 15:1-2)

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to
remind you of the gospel I preached to
you, which you received and on which
you have taken your stand. 2 By this
gospel you are saved, IF you hold firmly
to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

Their something you need to understand hear,paul is not implying that some of the Corinthian believers were lost for want of faith; rather it is that their faith has never been sufficient for salvation" sufficient because their are some who believe because of miracle In John 2:23 the people believe because of the miracle Jesus did, was this believe A SAVING FAITH ? NO it was a believe BASED ON MIRACLE. There are two things you must know of this kind of faith based on miracle:

1. Even when they believe in Him, He did not believe in them.
2. Example of those who had faith based on miracle was nicodimus:
John 3:1-2
"We
know that thou art a teacher come from
God; for no man can do these MIRACLES THAT THOU DOEST , except God be with
him."

This faith that he had did not
measure up to saving faith. The Lord told
him he must BE BORN AGAIN.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of Barnabas Laid To Rest! by malvisguy212: 7:10pm On Feb 06, 2016

Demmzy15:
You never cease to amaze me, you're just an empty barrel. Nothing upstairs, you're close to 40 but still you behave like a 5years. Anyways, i pray you get sense before 40 because a fool at 40 is a fool forever. Hope that won't be your case!!!

Even though you failed the question I asked, lemme just accept it for the sake of this argument!

Now, my next question, is the same bible you have today the same with the one supposedly compiled 350years before Prophet Muhammad. If yes, give me proves and how many books does it contain?! Truthman2012, malvisguy212, Parisbookaddict, maamin, etc. All of you should come out and answer for the storybook you call bible.

I will answer you, but first, answer this questions:
Is muhammed mention by name in the bible ?

Quran 3:48 - 50
48. "And Allah will teach him the Book
and Wisdom the Law and the Gospel.
49. "And (appoint him) an Apostle to the
Children of Israel (with this message):
I have come to you with a sign from your
Lord ...
50. "(I have come to you) to attest the
Law which was before me and to make

This verse proved that the torah and the Gospel during the time of Jesus was the TRUTH, hundreds of years before Jesus came, the Jews did not corrupted their book, until Jesus has come and go.

Quran 5:46 - 48
46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus
the son of Mary confirming the law that
had come before him: We sent him the
Gospel: therein was guidance and light
and confirmation of the law that had
come before him: a guidance and an
admonition to those who fear Allah.
47. Let the people of the GOSPEL JUDGE by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what
Allah has revealed they are (no better
than) those who rebel.
48. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth confirming the scripture that came
before it and guarding it in safety....

This verses proved the gospel and torah were the truth during muhammed time. Okay.

Quran 5:68 - 69
Say: "People of the Book, you will attain
nothing until you OBSERVE the Torah and the Gospel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord"...

Again we read that Muhammad testified
to the Christian's and Jew's Scripture's
integrity. "People of the Book, you will
attain nothing until you observe the
Torah and the Gospel", and "If you doubt what We have revealed to you, Ask those who have read the Scriptures before you" show that Muhammad believed that the Jews and Christians had a book of truth. In fact, "Allah" goes so far as to urge Muhammad to ask the Jews and Christians about the validity of his message. Now, if they were corrupted, God would not instruct Muhammad to ask people who study a corrupted book about the validity of his message. This is clear fact that the gospel and torah we have today is the same during muhammed time, if it not, then, when was the bible corrupted ? How did he received revelation that the scripture is corrupted ?

During Muhammad's lifetime the Jews
and Christians in the Hijaz possessed
Scripture that Muhammad considered to be God's word. Since Muhammad
testified to its integrity, which Scriptures
was he referring to? And, are those
Scriptures equivalent to what we possess today? To know the answer to this questions, read here :

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorg.html

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 6:20pm On Feb 06, 2016

frank317:
Lol... What kind of work was Paul talking about? The one you sit down and do nothing and you almighty father in heaven whom you believe in does everything for you? Pls what's the biblical meaning of work?

alright

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 5:54pm On Feb 06, 2016

frank317:
Of course, u have nothing to defend your lies with.

see, let me tell you something, your post is one of the silly post I've read since I joined nairaland, your interpretation of "work" is not biblical, it is canal. When paul say faith without work, what kind of work is he talking about ? I cannot believe I am having this conversation with you.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 5:49pm On Feb 06, 2016

Humblebloke:
Smh.........now you admit xtianity is a religion(way of life)

Lemme break this down..... Atheism is no belief system.......its lack of belief........ It requires evidence for belief.....

So brova......atheism is no belief system(or) just like a religion.

where in my post I say Christianity is a religion ? How do you come to the conclusion, God does not exist ? Atheism required evidence, and when the evidence were presented to you, you belief in it. How can you accept evidence without believing in it ? Keep on deceiving yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 4:09pm On Feb 06, 2016

Humblebloke:
There nothing to interprete......

Stop spreading ignorance......christianity is a religion(dogmas,laws,divinity,sacradness,spirituality)......
Just like buddhishm,Islam and the others

Way of life-religion

you are an atheist, maby you claim to be a freethinker, but that implies that have
choice. In a universe where every
succeeding action comes from a preceding event .to be an atheist is more of a belief, just like 'A' religion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 1:08pm On Feb 06, 2016

Humblebloke:
Way of life=religion........

You don't like it.....that's not my problem

Adios

if you disagree with the op, bring fort your argument, show me were I misinterpret the scripture in the op.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 1:02pm On Feb 06, 2016

orisa37:
Christianity is a Religion.

you can't just say something without proof, did Jesus preach religion on His disciples ? What about the disciples.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 12:51pm On Feb 06, 2016

openmine:
Bro to start with...i don't care about ur opinion of the bible...dats ur opinion and u r entitled to it...
If u weigh or believe ur so-called advanced dictionary is capable of lecturing u about the bible...dats fine with u...not me..
Its not by force to believe that Christianity is a way of life or living....whether u call it a book without proof or not...I never expected ur likes to comprehend such knowledge....

And dere is obviously no need to get into a sane and healthy discus with you since you have already made up ur mind about wat u believe in...

Christianity according to the scriptures is a way of life and a pattern for living in christ ...get it?

If u don't like it or believe in it,Thats ur problem and cup of tea NOT mine...and i think you are on the wrong thread..enough said!

God bless you bro.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 12:48pm On Feb 06, 2016

Humblebloke:
Please define religion

Who wrote the bible anyways

You should know a dico is more relevant than the bible.......you mean I should dump an updated advanced dictionary for an ancient book written centuries ago

A book without proof

Btw....... When you read books and come across complex words........ Do you consult the dico or ur bible for clarification

why are you atheists like fooling around ? Do you think the bible is an English text book ? So you think if I want to look for word meaning, I will check the bible and not dictionary ? What a foolish atheist!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 11:25am On Feb 06, 2016

frank317:
Not working in what sense?
How about.. 100days fasting, praying and rebinding the devil every morning afternoon and night, praying for healing after falling sick, xobtant need for fellowshiing and paying tithe and offering, backsliding and frontsliding... How are all these not working?

Keep deceiving urself.

kai, see what atheism has done to you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Exposing Bible Corruption by malvisguy212: 9:55am On Feb 06, 2016

hockeyoilers:
I respect your opinion and how you may feel.

https://www.nairaland.com/2535883/allegedly-corrupted-scripture-questions-muslims
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and
WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to
you the message that you may make
clear to the people what was sent down
to them and that they might give
thought.
I'm sure the muslims know the quran
was not revealed in writing. Therefore
the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their
MUST be copies going on circulation.
okay!!!
I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Quran (koran)? Facts About Quran by malvisguy212: 9:25am On Feb 06, 2016

lexiconkabir:
which they've been unable to prove, all speculations!

how can a muslim proved, muhammed received his revelation from God ? Who was his witness ? Only ONE man received revelation in a cave.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 7:24am On Feb 06, 2016

freecocoa:
Yes master.

Quick question.

Do you know the meaning of the word "Religion"?

yes, I know the meaning, did Jesus use the word religion to describe His followers ?. The Latin word from which the English word "religion" is derived means "to bind up." Jesus did not come to bind us up in rules and regulations or rituals of
devotion, but to set us free to be man as God intended.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 10:11pm On Feb 05, 2016

freecocoa:
Oh! Not again.

stay mute.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 9:53pm On Feb 05, 2016

freecocoa:
Christianity is simply a religion of people who claim to follow christ, I don't understand how you can separate the two

if you omits yourself, that's how you understand Christianity because you belong to different kingdom, the pagans first call the apostles christians because the apostles do not follow the commercial world of the pagans. The substance is in the word,which you cannot see.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 9:42pm On Feb 05, 2016

lepasharon:
Rubbish. You Christians need to stop this sh*t. you know religion has been getting alot of backlash. So now you want to dissociate from the word.

Christianity is a religion, just like Islam And the other 300 out there. Stop trying to twist words

I want you to read the op one more time, bring fort your argument, were I am wrong, that's were we will began.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 9:39pm On Feb 05, 2016

Iamsheriff:
••••Inspired

God bless you too

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Muslim Easily Deceived To Believe Mohammed by malvisguy212: 7:46pm On Feb 05, 2016

hockeyoilers:
Brother please tone the rascim down ok.

shut up!!! How is muhammed the best of mankind when he was commanded to hate the unbelievers ?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 7:15pm On Feb 05, 2016

hockeyoilers:
Brother you see the splinter in my eye while ignoring the log in yours

open your thread.

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