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plappville:
Dont you know islam is also paganism?

See them praying.....

My sister, I love the picture, very Good, since everybody that bow their head in prayer mean he is a muslim. The pagans are also muslims. Thank you for the picture.

DeathStroke007:
Like I always said... You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.




On the day on conquest, means before conquest.. After conquest, no more idols..


In fact i won't be replying any of your post that's senseless any longer

very good, you said earlier, the kabba was never a pagan house, housing 360 idols, thank God you admits it is a pagan house before muhammed came.

Alright. Surah 2:125 indicate, it was allah who made the house, this are my questions:

how did the “House of Allah” which was “made by Allah” become a pagan temple housing 360 pagan idols? How can a House of God become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why did Allah allow this to occur to his place of worship? If the kabba was the original house of Allah, why did muhammed directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem ? Could it be that Jerusalem is holier than the kabba ?

DeathStroke007:
Your illiteracy is beyond doubt.. Instead of you arguing about the Bible verses, you arguing about picture... You ain't worth debating with me.

the pagans also prostrate when praying, are they also muslims ?

DeathStroke007:
And on the issue of kahabah and black stone... It's all detailed in Bible..


Bible called kahbah Bacca.. Even the tawaf of kahbah is there

Do research on it.. Google is your friend..



Like I said, you are a fool.. Always do research on anything you want to post before posting

someone close to me read this comment, he burst with laughter.

Allah say he made the house ( the kabba) a resort for mankind and sanctuary. What's the need to purify it when it already a sanctuary (sanctified)
Muhammad began and ended up with a pagan religion with the only difference being that he repackaged it in a monotheistic framework. The fact that many of the rituals performed in the name of Allah are connected to pagan worship shows that Islam was conceived in idolatry. Such practices are consistent with pre-Islamic pagan rituals involving the Ka’ba. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would never send a Black Stone for his followers to kiss. If God abhors even the bowing of his worshippers towards the living sun that was created by him, do you think he will command his worshippers to bow towards a dead Black Stone?
Deuteronomy 4:19 clearly states:

“You must not raise your eyes to the
heavens and indeed see the SUN and
the MOON and the STARS, all the army
of the heavens, and actually get
seduced and bow down to them.”

kaakulator4:
Deathstroke007 why do you bother replying to these copy and paste illiterates

If they have questions, they should go to Islamqa.info

if the answer is their, I will be very happy if you copy and paste it to me "the illiterate" thank you.

eherbal:
He asked him to confirm from them, because HE KNEW they had corrupted the scriptures after they had knowledge of the TRUTH.Its that TRUTH that is with them,not the scriptures ,that Mohammed (SAW),was sent to inquire about.Now you get it,dont you?

WHAT Are you confused ? How could Allah ask muhammed to confirmed A book which is corrupted ?

Surah 5:43
But how do they come to you for
decision while they have the Taurat
(Torah), in which IS the (plain)
Decision of Allah; yet even after that,
they turn away. For they are not
(really) believers. Hilali-Khan

What makes this text interesting is that it discourages the Jews (and presumably
the Christians) from turning to
Muhammad for guidance since they have the Torah which contains the plain
decision of Allah!

DeathStroke007:
Now onto your questions....

Kahbah was never an idol residence since we started facing it to pray. And if you don't know, kahbah is located at the centre of the world...


And you are a pagan. You disbelief in everything Jesus belief. Jesus preached 1 God, told you to follow law of Moses, told you he's servant of God, and told you to accept Ahmad and follow him... But you didn't... Instead you belief in murder as a form of salvation, you worship Jesus, you go to church (a place Jesus never set foot in or know about), you believe in Bible (a book Jesus knows nothing about and the stupid book that insults our creator)

this boy, you are very good in lying.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 583:
Narrated By Abdullah: When the
Prophet entered Mecca on the day of
the Conquest, there were 360 idols
around the Ka’ba.

Now keep in mind that there are 360 idols in the kabba. Now we will consider another serious problem in Islam.

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
THE HOUSE (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
PURIFY MY HOUSE for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

Muhammed claim, Allah made the house (mecca). The Ka’ba also known as “Baitullah” means “House of Allah.” Now, how did the “House of Allah” which was “made by Allah” become a pagan temple housing 360 pagan idols? How can a House of God become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why did Allah allow this to occur to his place of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical or
theological reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem , unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.

DeathStroke007:
Now onto your questions..



Like I said, you are a disgrace to education world.


Black stone wasn't about paganism... It's that stupid cross of crucifix that is..


Go read about black stone in Bible and read about it in Quran..




Your number 4 question..



Black stone isn't to unify Muslims... Islam unifies Muslims..



Expanciate your point on Arabs killing each other..

trash!!!
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26,
Number 675:
Narrated by Zaid bin Aslam: From his
father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab
addressed the Corner ( BLACK STONE)
saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you
are a stone and can neither benefit
nor harm. Had I not seen the
Prophet touching (and kissing) you,
I would never have touched (and
kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it.”

This is a very revealing statement coming from one who used to be a pagan. Umar’s conversion to monotheism was so absolute that he was able to make the above observation while his Prophet was actually venerating a pagan idol. The reason behind Umar’s reluctance in kissing the Black Stone is that the pagan Arabs also performed this same ritual. However, Umar venerated his Prophet and this eventually led him to venerate the pagan idol. Ultimately, he ended up
venerating the Black Stone, Muhammad
and Allah.

Sheikh Sha’rawi, one of Egypt’s
renowned scholars declared in Legal
Opinions, pt. 3, p. 167:
“The kissing of the meteorite is a firm
practice in Islamic law because
Muhammad did it. You must not
ask about the wisdom behind that
because this rite is (an expression)
of worship in spite of the obscurity
of its wisdom.”

DeathStroke007:
Like I always said.. You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.



Read the picture to know Jesus prayed Salah 5 times a day..




When you won't read Bible... It's only a software license to you...


You are supposed to be ashamed.. It's we Muslims that even do explain and show you people stuffs you don't know in Bible...






Next time you post anything, you will think twice before mentioning my name...

is that the picture of Jesus ? Who snap the picture when He was praying ? Did He wash is face ,hands and nose ? The reason you are insulting me is because this thread hit you soo much, there is more to come. Even your prophet don't understand the christians and Jewish doctrine ,how much more his slaves. see the foolishness muhammed claim in the quran;

And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the
son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men,
'Take ME AND MY MOTHER FOR TWO GODs BESID Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5:116]

This is embarrassing, muhammed misunderstood the relationship between God the son and God the father, so he include God the mother!! Lol. It is clear muhammed did not understand the christian doctrine.

DeathStroke007:
Now onto your questions....

Kahbah was never an idol residence since we started facing it to pray. And if you don't know, kahbah is located at the centre of the world...


And you are a pagan. You disbelief in everything Jesus belief. Jesus preached 1 God, told you to follow law of Moses, told you he's servant of God, and told you to accept Ahmad and follow him... But you didn't... Instead you belief in murder as a form of salvation, you worship Jesus, you go to church (a place Jesus never set foot in or know about), you believe in Bible (a book Jesus knows nothing about and the stupid book that insults our creator)

I am very busy now. This thread may have hit you soo hard, hence the insult. Muhammed illiteracy does not mean he is not interlingent or is he deaf and blind ? Is muhammed not interlingent ? as if it is impossible to guess how an illiterate man could possibly plagiarize other ideas like he plagiarize the bible ... was he also deaf and/or mentally incompetent to have a discussion with somebody and come up with ideas? If he could hear a conversation and reason then being illiterate is irrelevant.
but for an illiterate man who is otherwise intelligent, who came in contact with many people because he was a caravan trader and most probably exposed to many ideas.

You say Jesus performed 5 daily prayer, I ask, how could that be possible ? Muhammed invent the 5 daily prayer, before muhammed came allah wanted 50 prayer, so it doesent make sense for Jesus to performed 5 daily prayer.

DeathStroke007:
Now, on the kiblah issue.. That's what Allah commanded us to do.. And besides, in the book of Mathew, where Jesus prayed (Salah) 5 times a day, tell me which direction he's facing... Is it Jerusalem or mecca?

Every single prophet in Bible worshipped Allah bowing down (prostration).. Ask Bible which direction they faced.. It's easy.. Go read REVELATION 7:11 (angels performing salat) ask Bible the direction they faced

Nehimayah 8:4-6(they performed salat) ask Bible direction they faced



Direction they faced is kiblah..





No single prophet in Bible read Bible or attended church... Yet you keep stirring trash...


Ignorant fool


You are a fool.. You always bring up discussions you have absolutely no knowledge about

satan is toying with your brain,muhammed founded islam, he even say he is the FIRST muslim in Surah 6:163, everything concerning muslim prayer was done during the time of muhammed, how did Jesus performed 5 daily prayer when allah wanted 50 ? Before muhammed came allah wanted 50 daily prayer. The book of revelation is a prophecy, an event yet to be fulfilled, John is seeing vision.

unphilaz:


Wow so by default when I become Muslim and die... No aljanna but hell fire first .. And am promised paradise

Yes my brother, and the amazing thing is that does who die why fighting for allah will go direct to heaven, that's why we have soo many terrorist:

Surah 61:10-13: O ye who believe!
Shall I lead you to a BARGAIN THAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY ? – That ye believe in Allah
and His Messenger, and that ye
STRIVE YOUR UTMOST IN THE CAUSE OF Allah, with your property and your
persons: That will be best for you, if
ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to Gardens
beneath which Rivers flow, and to
beautiful mansions in Gardens of
Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme
Achievement. And another favour will
He bestow, which ye do love, – help
from Allah and a speedy victory.
(Yusuf Ali)

Since all Muslims, including pious ones,
will have to spend a waiting-period in
Hell before reaching Paradise, Allah
made a bargain with Muslims. He told
them that if they die fighting for his
cause, he will forgive their sins and will
save them from the “grievous Penalty”
of Hell-fire. In other words, there is no
need to burn in Hell-fire until they are
rescued on the Day of Resurrection.
Paradise will be instant for those who die fighting for Allah.

Till today, Muslim suicide bombers are
motivated by this murderous bargain of
Allah. Allah’s bargain is still in force in
the Qur’an. Islam reserves places in
Paradise for terrorists who die fighting
for Allah’s cause. He who gives his life for the Islamic cause will have his sins
forgiven and a place reserved in
Paradise.

Surah 9:88: “But the Messenger, and
those who believe with him, strive
and fight with their wealth and
their persons: for them are all good
things: and it is they who will
prosper.” (Yusuf Ali)

erusen:
okay oh but u can trace the bible genealogy u know.

alright, I don't want to derailed this thread. Meet me here and mention were the bible contradicte science. https://www.nairaland.com/2381817/contradictions-analyzed-bible-quran

erusen:
u are now changing the Scriptures

He is right. I thought you understand the bible ?

erusen:
the same bible that said the earth was created 6000 years ago

The bible NEVER say that.

Empiree:
What is/are the difference(s) between Nafilat and fard salat?

answering questions with question.

Empiree:
Okay. First all, whether it's "test" is not that important. Whats important is Quran itself euphemistically describes "5 daily prayers". This is enough for us to digest. Seriously, what's your problem? People following it are not complaining and here you are crying over what doesn't concern you. Why taking paracetamol for people's headache?


Allah says in the glorious Qu'ran in Surah Ar-Rum 30;17-18:


So glorify Allâh,when you come up to the evening and when you enter the morning. And His are all the praises and thanks in the heavens and the earth, and (glorify Him) in the afternoon and when you come up to the time, when the day begins to decline.


When you come to the evening simply means offer Magrib and Ishai prayers. Evening means the time between afternoon and night. The verse continues and says 'when you enter the morning' i.e. Offers Fajr prayer.

The next verse says glorify Allah in the afternoon i.e. Asr prayer and when day begins to decline i.e. Zuhr prayer. Why salat was reduced to 5 is really connected with Moses's experience with the Jews of old. You know the hadith of Isari, dont you?. Where Moses instructed Muhmmad(SAW) to ask Allah to reduce it because the people wont be able to carry out the task. Moses(p) cited example of his ummah.

Besides, Allah has pre-knowledge of All Things. His initial purpose was 5 daily salat because the hadith said the reward for offering 5 daily salat is fifty times.



Honestly, you are becoming atheist gradually. Once prayer is exculpated from religion nothing is left. You are here watering down and abrading prayer as a mere option in Christianity. Yet, you and your cohorts would not blink twice before becoming "prayer warriors" when need be. Malvis, just because you want to "shame" Islam, you had to dent your religion so bad. Shaking my head for you man.

in case you don't know, quran NEVER made mention of 5 daily prayer. Allah original plan was 50 daily prayer until it was reduce to 5. If you say it was a test, how about this one

Surah 73:1-2: “O you wrapped in
garments (i.e. Prophet Muhammad)!
STAND (TO PRAY ) ALL NIGHT , except a
little.” (Hilali-Khan)

However, the above two verses are
abrogated by the last verse of the very
same Surah:

Surah 73:20: “Verily, your Lord knows
that you do stand (to pray at night) a
little less than two-thirds of the night,
or half the night, or a third of the
night, and so do a party of those with
you, And Allah measures the night
and the day. He knows that you are
UNABLE TO PRAY the whole night, so
He has turned to you (in mercy). So,
recite you of the Qur’an as much as
may be easy for you.” (Hilali-Khan)

Did not Allah know that the earlier
ordinance was going to be difficult for
Muslims? Did he realize this only after
their feet became swollen? Again, we can see that Allah’s failure in his judgment resulted in the abrogation of the Qur’anic verses


1 Thessalonians 5:12–18
But we request of you, brethren, that
you appreciate those who diligently
labor among you, and have charge
over you in the Lord and give you
instruction, 13 and that you esteem
them very highly in love because of
their work. Live in peace with one
another. 14 We urge you, brethren,
admonish the unruly, encourage the
fainthearted, help the weak, be
patient with everyone. 15 See that no
one repays another with evil for evil,
but always seek after that which is
good for one another and for all
people. 16 Rejoice always; 17 PRAY WITHOUT CEASING; 18 in everything give thanks; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

What does pray without ceasing mean to you ?

Empiree. The hadith or quran NEVER indicate, it was a trial, Allah keep on reducing it from 50 to 40 , the numbers keep on going down by 10 uptil it reach 5. Beside if it is a trial, the hadith would've mention it in other for the believers to learn a moral lessons on it. Saying it was a trial , is your own interpretation.

Bible does not command christians to fast, God does not require
or demand it of Christians. Bible only indicate it as a Good thing . The apostles fast whenever they wanted to take a Decisions.
Acts 13:2
2 While they were worshiping the Lord
and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set
apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the
work to which I have called them.”

Fasting in Christianity is not compulsory like islam, is a voluntary decision.

malvisguy212:
FROM FIFTY TO FIVE DAILY
PRAYERS
Surah 17:1: “Glory to (Allah) Who
did take His servant for a Journey
by night from the Sacred Mosque to
the farthest Mosque, Whose
precincts We did bless, – in order that
We might show him some of Our
Signs: for He Is the One Who heareth
and seeth (all things).” (Yusuf Ali)

According to the Qur’an, Allah allegedly
took Muhammad on a journey from the
Ka’ba in Mecca to the farthest Mosque
at Jerusalem. Muslims view Muhammad’s Night Journey with great
importance for the reason that this
journey determined the Islamic ritual of
praying five times a day. In other words,
Muhammad’s Night Journey has an
impact on the lives of more than a billion Muslims all over the world – five times – each and every day.

Allah ORIGINAL plan was for the muslims to have 50 times a day prayers until it was reduce to 5 after muhammed plead.

There are twenty-four hours in a day. If
Allah’s original plan is for Muslims to
pray fifty times a day, Muslims would
hardly have sufficient time left for work,
sleep or family. Let’s do the maths. If we
were to allow just fifteen minutes for
each of the fifty prayer rituals along with
the ablutions, it will amount to 12.5
hours (15X50 mins.). And this does not
include the time it takes to travel to the
mosque and back for those who prefer to
pray there. However, on Fridays all
Muslim males are required to pray at the
mosque. A day has only 24 hours. Even
going by the very bare minimum, a
Muslim is now left with 11 and ½ hours.
Most employment requires a person to
work at least 8 hours a day on the
average. What about the time spent
traveling to and fro from work? If we
were to deduct an average of just 10
hours for employment, the Muslim is
now left with just 1 and ½ hours. And
humans need at least 7 or 8 hours of
sleep to remain healthy.
OUR QUESTION IS:
Does not Allah know that there are only
24 hours in a day?
Does not Allah know that his
worshippers need to work, eat, sleep
and care for their families?
Why did not Allah know that even going
by the bare minimum, Muslims will not
be able cope with his absurd demand
to pray fifty times a day?
Did not Allah know that it would be
impossible for Muslims to accomplish
this unreasonable command to stop
every 28.8 minutes for prayer?
Can Allah really then be the all
knowing God as you claim?
Since a Muslim will have to stop
working twice each hour to pray, would
any employer, in his right mind,
employ a Muslim?
Why did not Allah tell Muhammad to
pray five times a day in the first place?
Does not this show that Moses was
much wiser than Allah?
Does not this also prove that Moses was
more in tune with reality than Allah?
How could Moses – a mere human

Even the reduced number of five daily
prayers at specific times has proven to
be counter productive to the economy
growth of many Muslim nations.
Prayer works through love. In
Christianity, there is no such compulsion. God wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers that are demanded to be expressed in a specific number of times and at certain specific times. There is no such thing as fixed time prayers in Christianity. According to the Bible, a Christian can pray at any time before his God. The Bible prescribes neither the form nor the amount of prayer required of the believer. In the Bible, prayer is always voluntary, never a compulsion,
although this does not contradict the
fact, that God has told his worshippers to persevere in prayer.

Empiree greeting.

kaakulator4:
truthman2012 and Malvisguy212

All I see here is a sanatorium escapee replying to his other ID You better go back to where you came from?

I'm just satisfied I've been able to prove you're a lun.a-tic!

You said I'm a female terrorist when I haven't even started with you . I wonder what you'll call me when I start with you

Uhhhmnn I'm thinking

alright.

johnydon22:
[b] Am happy you quote for me for something good sir.

I mean.. If you see an object now very far from where you are probably seating right now, and you do not have a closer look so cannot say exactly what that thing is..

It is will be very wrong of you to conclude that thing is a cat when you do not really know what exactly it is..

what if it is a dog or a goat.... so it is better you first of all have a closer look to observe and find out exactly what that thing is whether it is actually a goat, dog, cat etc..

so you see thats the thing with U.F.Os .. it is called U.F.O because the observer haven't identified what they are exactly assuming they are aliens is just exactly like assuming the thing you saw from a far is a cat in the example above.

If we identify these objects we won't call them U.F.Os anymore but we will regard them to be exactly what it is ... Space/ship, cloud or others.

I have shown that we have cloud formations that look like saucers often mistaken as U.F.O sightings.

So my position is let us not assume until we know
[/b]

alright. Understood.

johnydon22:
The funny part is bro you keep calling it U.F.O.

For the fact that it is U.F.O which means Unidentified Flying Object means you have not identified what it is so how then can you conclude on what it is when you have not identified exactly what it is.

That you saw something you cannot identify doesn't make it alien, it simply means you are yet to identify it..Once identified we both know it won't be dubbed U.F.O anymore because we now know what it is.

so until we identify and know no need formulating such claims that it is aliens

sorry Johnny for quoting you ( I know you hate that) . If you identified it as U.F.O ,is it wrong to conclude , what you saw was an alien (u.f.o) ? Because it is an unidentified object prior to it discovery mean you cannot conclude is an alien ? Going by your explanation, does it mean we can never identified UFO because its unidentified ? Thank you.

maverickboy:
What's this, story or questions?

No, fairly tale. Does it look like story ?

erusen:
I didn't include all these in my earlier post about the Israelite or the biblical God being evil.my three questions are in the creation story,the historical accuracy,and scientific blunders.I still have an open mind concerning all things.I even stopped going atheistic sites because most of them were big bang theorists which I consider very questionable .first of all johhnydon and I talked about derailing the thread with religion. and that was just what happen to this thread.I respect all beliefs but I also have mine.am becoming more empirical by the day because I read a lot of stuffs,so u can't expect me not to investigate these beliefs.like I said am a deist not an atheist.if God gave us minds so we should use it.I can see u have been stalking johnnydon22 for a long time.

I mention the old testament because you made this coment "the old testament and creation should be question" well, maby I misunderstood you (most people are fond of mentioning the killing in the old testament) . I wanted you to mention the scientific blunder in the creation account, but I don't want to derailed this thread. I am not stalking Johnny, I just like science and the mystery behind it. But when someone speak ill of people believing in God, that where am in. anyway, thank you for your time, God bless.
Modified.

truthman2012:
What do we expect from people filled with jinns (demons)? A muslim lady spoke on TV saying for every muslim allahh attaches two jinns (demons). This is the reason you can hardly find a well a behaved muslims. They are under the control of evil spirits, jinns/demons. They can abuse, kill and maim, like Muhammad did. I pity them.

EXACTLY

LoJ:
It is in my perception wrong to threaten, persuade anyone to follow a specific path as far as religion is concerned. Why not allow him make his choices? Is he a child?

Religious faith that consist in believing whatever a Pastor says, or a book says, is wrong and in opposition to Jesus. Will God accept mental slaves who are afraid to think and analyze objectively for themselves? Why should religion claim to be holding the unquestionable truth, yet still threaten people and refuse criticism?

It is doubts and criticism that make us move forward. When we are not sure, we check, we analyse, and we reach conclusions that are safer. All of us do that in our daily lives. Why should religion not be concerned by such a sane process? If not for questionning, would we not still believe that the earth is flat?

God is not a mumu. He is not afraid of being questioned. In fact, it is even the only way that leads to true faith and true recognition of God. Erusen is entitled to his opinions about God and religion. God is not owned by any religion, and no religious mouvement has property rights on God. You are free and entitled to your beliefs. Erusen should also be.

Cheers.

I do not threatened him, I only advice him, I am not boasting, but I am to big to believe everything my pastor tell me without questions, even you, scientist questions some of the theory of your mentor.

erusen:
am not an atheist,to say there is no creator is kind of dumb,I guess u can call me a deist,I love Christianity and some other religous too,but I think they don't have all the answers too,too many loopholes,and is very clear that religion have made Africa very dumb scientifically. I go to church u know.and I am a big fan of Jesus. but the old testament and creation should be question by every intelligent mind.I can never be an atheist brother because I have tons of questions unanswered so know man can conclude.they are evidence for design than there are for big bang or even evolution.I really under the bible,to the extent that I can preach or explain or sometimes even defend it,when ask about my religion I simply say am Christian becus I hail from the southsouth ,have Christian parents,I like above other religions.

do you know that, whatever thing you say about religion can be say of politics ? Hitler and the rest use politics for their selfish plan.

The wrath of God was satisfied , the Jews are minority compear to the pagan gods of the amalikites, cannanite, jubittes etc, yet this people attack the isrealite. God judge the amalikites but carry this judgment during the time of saul ( about 400years) tell me, 400 years is not enough for this people to repent ? Stop reading the accusations of atheists, read from the exedus were it all begin. They attack the isrealite with no reason.

johnydon22:
Please i have ignored you at first stop masturbating with my mentions and name.. what is my business with turning anybody atheistic.. Please we are having a discussion way above you just go back to the religion section and do your thing and please stop calling my name or mentioning me unnecessarily..

Well you are best ignored

okay Mr interlingent and wise atheist / scientist , all of us ( religious people) are under you.

micodon:
If these brilliant minds could accept religion, why call someone a slowpoke for doing same?

my brother thank you , according to atheists, religious people are deluded why they are not.

johnydon22:
Their cup of tea has nothing to do with me just like Eistein, Hawkins or 90% of the 21st century Physicist who don't is not my business.. More over they lived during the medieval ages

and you live in this era show you are more interlingent than they ?

erusen:
yes atheist are more clever than religious people,but am a deist though I find big bang theory very questionable,but mere looking I already know your group,which is the dumb type

do not allowed Johnny to turn you into atheist, I have been following your post, first you deny being atheist, and now you speak highly of atheism, peter was one of the favorite disciple of Jesus, pride make him backslide. That is the reason most scientists are atheists, they feel like they understand everything in the universe. I pray God be with you my child.