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dalaman:
They condemned those that do not believe in their religion to hell not themselves. The writers of the bible mostly told lies and they weren't good men.

johnydon22:
Again check it out again..

He is quoting [size=16]Man[/size] written book to assert that the [size=16]man[/size] written book was breathed by God. . .That the [size=16]men[/size] who wrote this is still trying to convince others that it was breathed by God has in entirety proven the whole point. . . .

johnydon22:
Again check it out again..

He is quoting [size=16]Man[/size] written book to assert that the [size=16]man[/size] written book was breathed by God. . .That the [size=16]men[/size] who wrote this is still trying to convince others that it was breathed by God has in entirety proven the whole point. . . .

dalaman:
Just the way Allah told the angle Gabriel to recite the Koran to Mohammed. It is written inside the Koran that it is Allah's final revelation to mankind.

Scholar8200:
Excellent write up bro. Even the joys of Heaven is not such that will naturally be appreciated by the senses except as the Spirit reveals Him to you and gives a foretaste of glory.

johnydon22:
Now this is funny because the thread itself betrays the Op....funny but the irony is epic...listen..

Op who is a [size=16]man[/size] is asserting his God is not [size=16]man[/size] made, yet he who is a [size=16]man[/size] is the one telling us about the existing non-man made God and he is quoting a book written by [size=16]man[/size] and compiled by [size=16]man[/size] in order to prove to us the God written on the pages of this book written by [size=16]man[/size] is not [size=16]man made....[/size]

can it get any funnier than that? for the fact that a man is the one telling us this speaks much about the truth in it..

only a man made God (idea) needs man to make itself known to man

Jozzy4:
No bible verse can contradict proverb 8:22,24
Kindly explain what it mean that Jesus Was Given Birth To ?

Jozzy4:
Continue to contradict yourself

Proverb 8:22 said wisdom is possessed in the beginning

Proverb 8:24 said wisdom is brought forth /given birth to .

1. Can you give birth to what you already possess ? Funny

2. What does it mean that Jesus was given birth to ?

plaetton:
What a tangled web of nonsense you weave when you practice to obfuscate and decieve.

Lol.
As expected, truth is not simple, but spiritual, in your upside down christian universe.

I wonder why the wise god didn't make us with simple spiritual brains.

mustymatic:
You should not just say it...provide verses regarding to the ones above

herald9:
If you claim your god is invisible and he created you in his own IMAGE, you could've been invisible too.

An invisible being creating a visible being in ITS OWN IMAGE implies a creation error. Just like Toyota trying to model an Avalon but ended up with a Camry.

plaetton:
A god that expresses his fears that humans may acquire too much knowledge is not a manmade god?

A god that is jealous is not a manmade god?

A god that has a fiery temper, that at one time had to be cajoled and tempered by the soothing words of moses is not a manmade god?

A god that discriminates and promotes racial and tribal discrimination is not a manmade god?

A god that says that the tribe of ancient israel is his own inheritance is not a manmade god?

A god that commands and promotes or.gies of violence and genocide against innocent women and children is not a manmade god?

You gotta be kidding.

mustymatic:
He is described as being invisible to us and not some image that humans can imagine>>>>

Hebrews 11:27
...Him who is unseen.
Acts 17:29
"Being then the children of God, we
ought not to think that the Divine
Nature is like gold or silver or stone,
an image formed by the art and
thought of man."

Accordingly, we can only see Him in His
glory when we die and are transformed
into spiritual beings. The Hebrews were
commanded NOT to make an image of
their God. The New Testament
specifically says that God does not look
like a man>>>>

Leviticus 26:1
'You shall NOT make for yourselves
idols, nor shall you set up for
YOURSELVES AND IMAGE or a sacred
pillar, nor shall you place a figured
stone in your land to bow down to it;
for I am the LORD your God.
Which of the gods can't be seen and not in human form, Jesus is not god now or was he not seen?
I will probably need the holy spirit to understand that too.

herald9:
You just murdered genesis 1:26
"... And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

plaetton:
Gosh.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this assemlage and parade of Gross ignorance bordering on illiteracy, and the clearly laughable contradictions of this op.

The op claims that judeo-christian gods are more real because they are invisible

If this is not the silliest contradiction ever, I don't know what else can qualify.

I have said before that what makes christianity stand out as a contrived and silly religion is the fact that at least 90% of christians do not have a clue about the origins and history of their religion.

Malvisguy212 is a typical example of a prisoner, straight out of the dungeon, who hails and extols the imaginary virtues of his captors.

Malvisguy212 guy is unaware that every single thing about christainity was borrowed or should I Say stolen straight out pagan cultures.

He is unaware that his Jesus is a pagan architype from more ancient cultures.
He is also unaware that the concept of the Virgin birth, the sacrifice, the resurrection, the second coming, the concept of heaven and hell were all pagan concepts.

This " my god is better than the other god" is itself the surest proof that malvisguy212 's god is just an imaginary product manufactured in the shallow confines of malvisguy212' s limbic system of his brain.

In other words, this guy painstakingly uses his own convoluted logic to dismantle his own thesis.
Lol.

Christian logic is imbeccable, it's just common sense that is found wanting.

Jozzy4:
Sto derailing the thread man .



The form of God is SPIRIT ( John 4:24), even angels are spirit .

The form of a servant refer to Human Flesh.

Simple things yet you dont understand



The verse said : " he will be Called ... " , which reveal he has not always been eternal father .
thats why you need to study proverb 8:22,24



God has no beginning (ps90:2

lexiconkabir:
let me ask you the same question i asked annunaki, are you a goat that keeps coming back after being trashed?

malvisguy212:
I don't know why muslim preferred lies over truth.here is what sahih bukari hadith say:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12,
Number 770:
....He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but
Him alone.The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat
away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water…”
First the hadith say"he will oder the angel to rescue those who worship Allah alone" what will people who worship Allah be doing in Hell ?
Secondly the hadith say "Allah will forbid the fire to consume the mark of prostration " is the polytheists(trinitarians inclusive) now have the prostration mark on there forehead ?
Thirdly the hadith say they will came out from the fire as 'mere skeletons' am sure you know God will not rescue sinners on hell, so it was the muslims who Allah is rescuing here.
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:
“They (the angels) would recognise
them in the Fire by the marks of
prostration , for Hell-fire will devour
everything (limb) of the sons of
Adam except the marks of
prostration. Allah has forbidden the
fire to consume the marks of
prostration. They will be taken out
of the Fire having been burnt …”
If the first hadith is a weak one am sure this one isn't.

lexiconkabir:
@pa malvisguy212, first i debunked your claim, yet you choose to make a foolery of yourself and to my greatest surprise that topic has been trashed to the dustbin where it belongs by rilwayne, click this thread to see further refutal, and dont bother to quote me especially when you have no explanation why rape looks so easy in your "holybook" so just relax and peruse through rilwayne's version of the refutal, therein you will find your answers, since you rejected mine

lexiconkabir:
malvisguy212, quran19:71"there is not one of you but will pass over it(hell)....," the word used here is "ila wariduhakana" meaning "but will pass over it(hell)", not entering it(hell) as you claimed or should i say as the islamophobic site you copied and pasted from claimed! lets read 70 that came before 71, quran 19:70"then verily, we know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein" now the verse that came before the verse your gurus are trying to twist(19:71) implies Allah is telling the believers that he(Allah) knows those worthy to be burnt and 71 tells us that not any of us that believes(muslims) but we shall pass over it(hell), and then 72 tells us that the people worthy to be burnt are the polytheists(trinitarians inclusive). simple verses that a primary school pupil will understand!

golpen:
This is a confusing post from a confused poster of a confused religion. . small time now, they will tell you jesus is God, then how does all these above prove that you are your own father?

smartesboys:
you read in your bible about prophet adam, who was his parent? He has no parent. He was created by Allah without parent,

lexiconkabir:
ok let me agree that the culprit do not marry the girl in all cases, so if i am lusting at a virgin all i have to do is to keep some money to pay her off after raping? is that really a justified punishment?

lexiconkabir:
malvisguy212 when will you desist from copying and pasting? quran 19:71 says "there is not one of you but will pass OVER IT(hell)..." if you read from 70 to 72 you will understand that all believers will enter paradise not that they will need some bargain to go to paradise, while the polytheist(trinitarians inclusive) will burn in blazing fire! let me site a verse in the bible that also "bargains" with christians(maybe thats why you are so filled with hate just to meet this bargain) check matt19:29, in this verse there is a "bargain" between xtians and "jesus" if you meet these requirements then you will have eternal life and all you lost in hundredfolds! that is why people like you keep spreading hate about others. you are yet to analyze deut22:28-29 in the actual sense

lexiconkabir:
if you cannot refute that, then why are you a christian

lexiconkabir:
analyze deut22:28-29

lexiconkabir:
yes your post implied rape is minor, you said "Allah will send you to hell for great sin" and you now said "raping a girl doesnt matter(meaning it is not a great sin)" what are you trying to say here? very funny! you have time to bash islam, but you got no time to defend your faith, hmmm, cool

bashbabe2:
Can you freaking change the title of this,because it's misleading. When Isis did something and you put Muslims. Why do have to lie to gain attention. You such an hypocrite it's really disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. Every pastor or christian who rapes. Should carry the headline CHRISTIANS RAPE CHILDREN AND GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY FOR THANKSGIVING . Bigot oshi

lexiconkabir:
trash! no verse of the quran says rape is a minor sin. unlike the bible that makes rape look easy(check deut 22:28-29) all the culprit has to do is pay her father some money as if the dad is a p.i.m.p and daugher a prostitute! and then marry her, which implies if i want a virgin to be my wife, and the virgin dont love me, all i have to do is to r.ape her? then pay her dad since they've got no choice. thats wickedness!

malvisguy212:
by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

Three times in the book of Acts, Luke the physician recorded non-Christians asking what they needed to do to be saved, and three times a different answer was given.

The heathen jailor from Philippi asked
Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?,” and was told: “BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND YOU WILL BE SAVED” (16:30-31).

The Jews on Pentecost asked the apostles, “Men and brethren,what shall we do?,” and were instructed to“REPENT AND BE BAPTISED ” (2:37-38).

A few years later, Saul (later called Paul
Acts 13:9) asked Jesus, Who appeared to
Saul on his way to Damascus, “Lord, what do you want me to do?” (9:6; 22:10). After being told to go into Damascus to find out what he “must do” to be saved, Ananias, the Lord’s servant, commanded Saul to “RISE AND BE BAPTISED, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord” (22:16).
The question that many ask is: “Why are three different answers given to the same question?” Are these answers contradictory, or is there a logical explanation for their differences?

The reason that three different answers
were given to the question of salvation is because on each occasion the
questioners were at different “locations”
on the road to salvation. The rationality
of such answers can be illustrated by
considering what a person is told in
reference to his physical distance from a certain city. If a friend calls me to ask
how far it is from his house in Jackson,
Tennessee to my parents’ house in
Neosho, Missouri, I would inform him
that he is 475 miles from Neosho. If he
calls me back the next day, notifying me
that he is now in Little Rock, Arkansas,
and asks about the distance to Neosho, I would give him a different answer. He
now would be 260 miles from Neosho. If,later that evening, he called me one last time and asked how far Fort Smith is from Neosho, again I would give him a different answer— 130 miles. No rational person would accuse me of contradicting myself, since each question was asked from a different reference point. Three different answers were given, but all three were correct. Likewise, the New Testament records three different answers given to the question, “What must I do to be saved,” because the sinners who asked these questions were at different places of understanding on the road to salvation.

The Philippian jailor was commanded to
believe in Christ, because he had not yet heard and believed the saving message of Jesus (Acts 16:31-32; Romans 10:17). It would have been pointless for Paul and Silas to command the jailor to repent and/or be baptized when he had not yet even heard the Gospel. If today, a Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist, asked a Christian the same question the Philippian jailor asked Paul and Silas, the same answer would need to be given.

Before ever teaching a Muslim about the essentiality of repentance and baptism, he first must express belief in Jesus as the Son of God. If this step (i.e.,
believing) is never taken on the road to
salvation, the other steps are
meaningless. [NOTE: The Bible reveals
that after Paul and Silas “spoke the word of the Lord” to the jailor and his
household, they believed and
“immediately” were baptized (Acts 16:33).

By implication, Paul and Silas must have
taught the jailor and his family about the essentiality of baptism after stressing the need to “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ” (cf. Acts 8:35-36,38). Question: If water baptism has nothing to do with salvation, then why were the jailor and his household immersed in water not long after midnight (cf. Acts 16:25,33)?]

The Jews on Pentecost had already heard Peter’s sermon when they asked their question about salvation (Acts 2:37). Peter knew that they already believed,and that such belief came from hearing the message he preached (cf. Romans10:17). The Jews had passed the point of belief (being “pricked in their heart”), and were told to “repent and be baptized” in order to obtain salvation (cf. Mark 16:16).

Still, someone might wonder why
Ananias told Saul neither to believe nor
repent when he informed him about how to have his sins washed away. The
reason: Saul already was a penitent
believer in Christ by the time he came in contact with Ananias. Saul did not need to be told to believe or repent, since he had already done so. He knew the Lord existed, having spoken directly with Him on the road to Damascus, and he expressed a penitent attitude by praying to God and fasting for three days (Acts 9:9,11). At this point, Saul lacked only one thing: he needed to be baptized (Acts 22:16).

The reason these sinners were told three different things regarding salvation was because they were at different starting points when given the various answers. It is as if the jailor were in Jackson, Tennessee, the Jews on Pentecost in Little Rock, Arkansas, and Saul in Fort Smith. All wanted to go to the same place, but were at different starting points when they asked the question,“What must I do to be saved?” The unbeliever was told to believe. The
believers were told to repent. And the
penitent believer was told to be
baptized. The three statements may be
different, but they are not contradictory.
For a person to become a child of God,
he or she must do all three (see John
8:24; Luke 13:3,5; Matthew 28:19; Mark
16:16).