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adewalker:
. U are shooting urself on the foot,no rational christian that have an iota knowledge of the bible will believe any of those innovations u posted above,so according to ur last post,only peter seems to have believed him,while all the jews rejected him,well,moses ws accepted by all jews,the jews totally rejected him,the only people who took him were his desciple,and one of them styl betrayed him to his enemies,moses ws never betrayed?,am waiting for u to give more,wat u have only achieved so far is to give more reasons why jesus was unlike moses,don't come here and brainwash ur fellow christians,who are so lazy to read the bible or even make research on their own

adewalker:
. U said jesus led like moses,where did jesus lead jews to?,moses didn't turn water to wine,the jews accepted moses,they rejected jesus,jesus didn't die on a hill,stop brainwashing ur christian,he died on a cross,stop the lies haba,jesus and moses never found any new religion,moses didn't found judaism,he never heard the word wen he was alive,jesus never even heard the word christianity in his life,jesus himself said he didn't come with a new law,he said he came to fulfill the pre existing law of moses,so where did he found a new law,why do lie like this?which brothers and sisters did jesus have?oh my God!,wen will stop playing games this people!,which new identity did jesus give the jews,cos I know they rejected him!,jesus taught his followers how to pray,but name one follower that follow it,again which promise land did jesus led the jews,this is a religious forum,and yet u are making up lies,which 70 rulers did jesus appoint over isreal?are u a literate brother,don't u know wat similarities means again!?,u said they both performed miracles,then u started mentioning their miracles,that aren't even alike,moses turned a rod to serpent,did jesus do that?,no!,moses brot a law,did jesus did?no,moses was loved by the jews,jesus hated by them,moses migrated his people,jesus never migrated the jews,in the verse in question God said"I will raise a prophet from among their bethren.."God didn't say within ur brethren,who are the brethren of jews?arab,yet some people reject mohammad!,but God already knew that,so God said"and it shall come to pass that whoever will not harken to the command he shall give in my name,I will require it of him" this is God saying whoever doesn't harken to the command of the prophet,he shall revenge of it,so if u don't follow the command of mohammad,God will require u of it in the day of judgement,u will come to know

malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!


I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?

malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!


I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?

AgentXxx:
Topic like this are not worthy of your post... brothers and sisters in islam, ignore him

Rilwayne001:
The bible is corrupt. Therefore, there is not point using it in validating the coming of the PROPHET (pbuh).

Rilwayne001:
The bible is corrupt. Therefore, there is not point using it in validating the coming of the PROPHET (pbuh).

galadima77:
To even concieve this idea, how much more think of debating it in public, not to talk of refering to The Almighty in ur post as "he" instead of He, is highly sacrilegious.

you should busy yourself with travelling or at least looking around to appreciate the Mercy and Might of our God Almighty.

please desist from such topics.

malvisguy212:
Psalm 23 has six verses.It is especially
appreciated by unsaved church people who like to think the Lord is their Shepherd when He's not. Unfortunately, some of the better known portions of Scripture are the portions that deal with anything except salvation. Perhaps the most well known verses of Scripture--or
portions--are the Sermon on the Mount, I Corinthians 13,the Ten Commandments, the Lord's Prayer,
and Psalm 23. Now, the reason why
these are favorites is because nothing
in one of those passages could tell anybody how to be saved. And all
those passages assume the man is either an Old Testament saint or a
New Testament saint. So all unsaved
people like those portions of Scripture
that don't call their sins to their attention.

But since we(born again) are saved, we do know the Lord is our Shepherd, and that He is our personal Shepherd. And I can truthfully say that the Lord is my
shepherd individually.

This is the Shepherd Psalm.Psalm 22 deals with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and resurrection. Psalm 23, then, deals
with the relationship of the Lord Jesus Christ to the individual saint after the resurrection. And Psalm 24 plainly speaks of the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Psalms are laid out in prophetic order: Psalm 22, the crucifixion; Psalm 23, a picture of the Church Age; and Psalm 24, a picture of the Second Advent.

Psalm 23 has a beautiful outline: In
verse 1 we have a happy life. In verse
4 we have a happy death. And in verse 6 we have a happy eternity. In the great Psalm, Psalm 23, we find the Lord is with me, He is beneath me, He is before me, He is around me, He is after me, and He is ahead of me. Psalm 23 is David historically speaking about his relationship with the Lord, and pictures the relationship of the Christian who's got into the right fold.

The Lord is my shepherd" Notice the personal wording. The Lord is not our
shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd.
There's a big difference when you get
to know the Shepherd. "The Lord is
my shepherd.


The Lord is my Shepherd:
That's Relationship!
I shall not want:
That's Supply!
He maketh me to lie down in
green pastures:
That's Rest!
He leadeth me beside the still
waters:
That's Refreshment!
He restoreth my soul:
That's Healing!
He leadeth me in the paths of
righteousness:
That's Guidance!
For His name sake:
That's Purpose!
Yea, though I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death:
That's Testing!
I will fear no evil:
That's Protection!
For Thou art with me:
That's Faithfulness!
Thy rod and Thy staff they
comfort me:
That's Discipline!
Thou preparest a table before
me in the presence of mine
enemies:
That's Hope!
Thou annointest my head with
oil:
That's Consecration!
My cup runneth over:
That's Abundance!
Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me all the days of
my life:
That's Blessing!
And I will dwell in the house of
the Lord:
That's Security!
Forever:
That's Eternity!

Khalil02:
Analysis of Deuteronomy 18:18 and who it actually fits.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
This prophecy fits Muhammad s.a.w like a globe. But the Christians claims it talking about Jesus peace be upon him.
Now let see who it fits;Muhammmad or Jesus (Isah) peace be upon them:
1. Muhammad and Moses (Musa) had parents but Jesus only had mother.
2. Both Moses and Muhammad had children but Jesus had non.
3. Moses and Muhammad was born in a natural way while Jesus was born in a Miraculous fassion or way.
4. Moses and Muhammad was accepted by their people but Jesus was rejected by his people.
It is said in the Bible that he Jesus came unto his own but his own received him not. Jesus was sent to the jews but they rejected him and moses was accepted.
5. Moses and Muhammad where kings and rulers on earth while Jesus was not. When we say kings and rulers we mean they have the capacity to inflict capital punishment see numbers 15:36.
Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world meaning am not a ruler on earth see John 18:36.
6. Muhammad and Moses came with a new law while Jesus came to follow the Law of Moses. Jesus said think not that i have come to destroy the law of the prophet but i have come to fulfil the law, for verily i say onto thee as heaven and earth pass one dot or word shall not pass untill all be fulfill Mathew 5:17&18.
7. Moses lead his people out ot Egypt to the holly land and Muhammad lead his people from Makkah to Medina i.e hijra. But Jesus never left his land thus hijra is the beginning of our calendar.
8. Moses worn against pharaoh and Muhammad worn against the people that fought him but Jesus never worn in the worldly sence infact Christians believes he was killed although Muslims dont share thesame idea.
9. Moses died a natural death and was buried in the ground likewise Muhammad but Christians beleives he was resurrected and Muslims don't. Either ways he Jesus didnt die a Natural death.
10. The Christians beleives Jesus is similar to Moses yet call Jesus God or son of God.
11. Both Moses and Muhammad became prophet at the age of fourty while Jesus became a prophet at the age of thirty.
12. The brethren of the Jews are the Arabs through Abraham's wife Hagar see Genesis 16:1-4 lease you will say Abraham never marry Hagar and you will be insulating the prophet of God the Almighty.
Infact no prophet has come from Israel ever since Moses died
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, Deuteronomy 34.

Conclusively,by all standards only Muhammad peace be upon him fits this chapter of the bible but if you have contrary view with evidence and quotes bring it on.
To Allah the Almighty we belong and to Him is our return.

NairaMode:
This sort of thread only breeds argument.
Not much value will it add.

* God tries. God does not tempt with evil or to do evil. ie something against Gods commandment.

* Satan tempts. Satan tempts to do evil or with evil.

When you work in a small organization, God may have a better option for you but he may want to see how you handle where you are at the moment hence he leaves you there for a bit. Test your patience, your resolute, your diligence etc.

On the other hand, satan makes you back bite, speak ill of people, stab your colleague in the back so that you can get a promotion because you are not patient and you are not in faith enough to see the bigger picture.

malvisguy212:
Seun, Ishilove, Lalasticlala

malvisguy212:
OAM4J

adewalker:
. I just can't seem to understand ur obsession about islam,I seem to be seeing u in a lot of threads about islam,bt as soon as the muslims start engaging u,u flee,its easy to be a coward on the internet,so get a hall in anywhere in nigeria,call all ur christian brothers and sisters,then invite us muslims to a debate between u and us in an open place for all to see,stop being a coward,surely if u are so sure about ur religion,this must be easy for u...quran 17vs81"and say'truth has come and falsehood has vanished,verily falsehood is ever bound to perish"....we will be waiting positively for ur reply

malvisguy212:
A teacher is using the "scientific method"
to teach the class about evolution...
TEACHER: Tommy do you see the tree
outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass
outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Go outside and look up and
see if you can see the sky.
TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few
minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.
TEACHER: Did you see God?
TOMMY: No.
TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see
God because he isn't there. He doesn't
exist.
A little girl spoke up and wanted to ask
the boy some questions. The teacher
agreed and the little girl questioned the
boy.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the tree
outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the
grass outside?
TOMMY: Yessssss (getting tired of the
questions this time).
LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?
TOMMY: Yessssss.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the
teacher?
TOMMY: Yes
LITTLE GIRL: Do you see the teacher's
mind?
TOMMY: No.
LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we
were taught today in school, she must
not have one!

The above joke is a good lesson in the
problem of trying to prove the existence
of God using the scientific tools available to us. A Creator God, if He exists, must, by definition, exist beyond the limits of the universe in order to have created it. The laws of physics tell us that we cannot make measurements beyond the limits of this universe. Therefore, scientists can conclusively determine that we cannot ever detect God using any of our instruments.


However, God is not restricted to our limitations and could choose to reveal part of Himself to us. God could not reveal His entirety to us without causing
major problems in our universe. The sudden appearance of dimensions and matter(?) from outside the universe would destroy anything in the vicinity and maybe even destroy the entire universe. This is why the Bible says that nobody can see God and live.

However, God could reveal His nature by communicating with humans and
sending an incarnated version of Himself. This is exactly what Christianity
claims - that God gave messages to
humans (through the prophets) and sent an incarnation of Himself (His Son), who took on the form of a human in order to interact with humans directly.
Although you cannot see God directly in
this life (but you will see Him in the next) , you can experience Him through your spirit. This is the claim and promise of Christianity that accounts for its popularity. When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, you enter into a relationship with Him through the Holy Spirit. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which you will directly experience when you come to faith, confirms both the existence and the power of God to the believer. It is through this relationship that we can enter into the joy of the Lord and experience the fullness of the Christian life.

If you are not a Christian, you will not
believe what I just told you. I know,
because when I was an agnostic for 33
years, I did not believe that you could
have a relationship with God. Since 1988 I have been experiencing the joy of the fellowship of the Lord and I want the same for you. Don't wait! Get your
questions answered and come to faith
based upon the facts, and enter into the
joy that cannot be found through
anything else in this world.
Well, its your choice. Do you see your
mind?
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notseegod.html

malvisguy212:
Muslims talk often about the many
contradictions in the Bible. The number
of contradictions vary depending on
whom you are talking to. The principle
of non-contradiction has been elevated
to the status of an absolute criterion,
capable of being applied by human
beings in judging the authenticity of
God’s word. But the Christian cannot
agree that the principle of non-
contradiction is given to men as a criterion by which they are to judge God’s word. It is this criterion which the
Muslims have imposed upon the
discussion of revelation.


The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims
claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation
of 66 books, written by more than 40
authors, over a period of 1500 years! For that reason Christians have always
maintained that the entire Bible shows
the imprint of human hands. Evidence of this can be found in the variety of
human languages used, the varying
styles of writing, the differences in the
author’s intellects and temperaments. Thought the muslims claimed the quran is sent down from heaven but there are MANY verses show the imprint of human hand in it.

DEFINITION OF INSPIRATION.
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all
Scripture is inspired. The word used for
inspiration is theopneustos which means“God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were“carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not
written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

HOW DOES GOD INSPIRE HIS WRITERS?
How does God inspire the writers? Does
He simply move the writers by
challenging their heart to reach new
heights, much like we find in the works of Shakespeare, find in the works of
Shakespeare, which is human literary
masterpieces? Or does that which He
inspire contain the words of God-along
with myths, mistakes and legends, thus
creating a book in which portions of the
Word of God can be found, along with
those of finite and fallible men? Or are
the scriptures the infallible Word of God
in their entirety? In other words, how,
Muslims will ask, is this inspiration
carried out? Does God use mechanical
dictation, similar to that which we find
claimed for the Qur’an, or does He use
the writers own minds and experiences?

ANSWER:
The simple answer is that God’s control
was always with them in their writings,
such that the Bible is nothing more than
“THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and
conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His sovereign
providence. Thus history must be treated
as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole
and metaphor as hyperbole and
metaphor, generalization and
approximation as what they are, and so
forth.

We are fully aware that the Christian
criteria for revelation is not acceptable to Muslims, as it is in seeming conflict with their own.Yet,by simply measuring the Bible against the‘sent down’ concept which they claim for their Qur’an, Muslims condemn themselves of duplicity, since they demand of the New Testament that which they do not
demand of the previous revelations, the
Taurat and Zabuur, though both are
revered as equally inspired revelations
by all Muslims. Muslims believe that
Moses WROTE THE TAURAT AND DAVID THE ZABUUR . However, neither claimed to have received their revelations by a
means of A' sent down’ transmission. So why insist on such for the New Testament, especially since the
document makes no such claim itself?

PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED?
Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the
claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony.
Not even miracles are provided to
substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

What Muslims must understand is that
Christians have always maintained that
the Word of God, the Bible, was indeed
written by men, but that these men were always under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Whereas the Qur’an is alleged to be free
of any human element, God in the Bible
deliberately chose to reveal His Word
through individuals who were inspired
prophets and apostles, so that His Word
would not only b conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but
would be communicated to their
understanding and powers of
comprehension as well. This the Qur’an
CANNOT do if it has no human element, as is generally alleged.

truthman2012:
Quran 9:29 is one of the clearest verses in the quran, which no amount of twisting can change the meaning.

Surah 9:29: Fight those who
believe
not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold forbidden which hath been
forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge the
religion of Truth, EVEN IF THEY
ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ,
until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission
and feel themselves subdued.

The Romans are also the people of the Book, right?

The phrase ''EVEN IF THEY ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK'' in that verse shows the Romans were under a secondary attack. They were not the first target. If the story cooked-up by fake truthman2013 is true, why was Muhammad's attack on Romans (the people of the Book) secondary? I mean if the Romans initiated the fight according to the OP, why was the islamic attack on them secondary and not primary? '' EVEN IF''.

Besides, Rilwayne01 aka fake truthman2013 had on many occassions on this forum claimed and supported his claim with unrelated islamic sources that Quran 9:29 was revealed following pagans breaking the treaty they had with the Muhammadans. Now it is no more pagans who broke the treaty but Romans who raised war against the muslims. New day new lies. It is a pity that the Devil can go to this extent to deceive some muslims. Don't you have conscience? You indeed need to lie so much to defend al-liar (allahh). Since al-liar said he is the best of deceivers, it is no surprise you are so gifted with lying spirit. FAKE truthman2013. What truth do you have in you?

Coming back to the verse 9:29, the reason for the attack on the people of the Book is already stated in the verse - the pagans, the Jews and the Christians who ''FORBADE NOT WHAT ALLAH HATH FORBIDEN BY HIS MESSENGER, AND FOR NOT ACCEPTING THE RELIGION OF THE SO-CALLED TRUTH''. Period. What has this got to do with Romans raising war?

Allah is truly the best of deceivers and that shows in the way he revealed the quran. The quran has no context and therefore you need other writters to formulate the context, which allows for various lies. Why is the quran not self-explanatory in most of its verses? The simple answer is ''TO DECEIVE by the best of DECEIVERS.

May the true God deliver the ignorant and innocent muslims.

menesheh:
Am done with you. I don't vouch for abusive and harsh words.
Bye

Jeromejnr:
I am born again, Spirit filled, tongue talking, demon chasing, divine healing, prosperous christian.

Evil must not exist. It didn't have to.There wont be evil in the world to come. But we will still have our free-wills.

menesheh:
You are in a rigmarole flight, since you claimed that god knew all these initially, why did he created satan. Why not say no, i will not creat this meduim cus it's gonna be a snare to his people

Jeromejnr:
Of course we have a freewill, that is why there is even evil in the world. Because we abuse it.

And there is no such thing as partial freewill.

MrPresident:
brainless mofos, need I to teach you that child births are witnessed by parents, grandparents, relatives, hospital attendants, etc, there are picture evidences, birth certificates, etc.

now how did you know that the jewish yaweh you worship created Satan? .... you read it in a book huh!!!

stupid slaves

Jeromejnr:
How can God create something that is against His will and still fight it and be angry with it.

BTW, God created Lucifer and not Satan.

Satan means an adversary. Something that goes against the will of God.

That was why Jesus called Peter Satan at one time. Not becausehe was possessed but because he was against God's will of seeing Jesus go to the cross.

God did not create evil or the devil or Satan. Those are forces that go against God's nature.

I know some will say there is a scripture that says "God formed good and evil.." But it has been agreed by theologians and scholars that it was a !is interpretation of the original language.

God permits evil but does not create evil?. He permits it because we humans that He gave frewill to permits it.

James said "let no man say that that when he is tempted, that he is tempted of God"

And again "all good and perfect gift comes from above and the Father of light..."

menesheh:
why did he decided to create it, or he could rather destroy it since he knew is gonna run opposition.


he supposed not even create it since he do envision events beforehand it happens.

Jeromejnr:
You don't even know how to debate the scriptures.

Can you show us scripture where it says God created Satan?

You err in interpreting the scriptures.

proudmuslim2015:
why not help the atheist that left your religion

MrPresident:
.....and how did you know God created Satan? ...... you read it in a book?