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GooseBaba:
So you're clearly admit that you are possessed by a spirit you conjure from a book...

johnydon22:
Oh really? The same you will still be the first to say Adam and Eve had no idea of what Good or Bad is until after they have eaten the fruit and their eyes opened. . You need to slow down and see how you contradict your own biblical stories when it suits your own selfish ideology.
Sorry to disappoint you, unlike you i have an independent sense of what i see to be moral, i do not need Buddha or anybody to tell me they too are not any more human than i am.

But you, you lack any form of psychological independency that's why you rely on the philosophies of others to guide your moral basis.

That's why you need the bible to tell you murder is wrong because your brain cannot on it's own find out that murder is wrong..

plaetton:
Again waxing ignorant, they taught you in sunday school that morality started with Jesus?

It Amazes that you thing that world began 2000yrs ago with Jesus.

Ever heard of Hammurabi or Zoroaster.?
I bet you haven't.

These were moral law givers that lived thousands of years before Jesus.

The problem with christians is their tendency to use the so-called forgiveness to abdicate moral responsibilities when it suits them.

If your skydaddy is forgiving you everyday, then where lies your responsibility to live a moral life everyday?

Isn't the christian moral delusions about being forgiven the fuel for corruptions, Wars and disharmony?

johnydon22:
I have always told you that you possess a very sick mind. .So without the idea of a God who will hold you accountable or a book telling you what to do you will be going round the world wreaking havoc where ever you go...Your state of mind is really scary because you have only shown to possess no independent moral basis. .

People should be good to others not because they fear a God that is willing to burn them or going to reward them but rather because they want to be good that is the basis of independent morality. . To be good for goodness sake . .
Buddha taught and lived by most of these 600years before Jesus. . . Those philosophies has always been there..

plaetton:
Deliverance, yes,

5solas:
Please take time to study Calvinism. It is faithful to scripture at every turn. Indeed it is far more than ''five points''.
The five points enumerated are the points the Arminians took up with the doctrines of the reformers. Before Arminianism, Calvinism existed.

lexiconkabir:
@bolded, what are you saying?, confused person!! well i'm saying that angel gabriel never used son(the main aim of this thread) as you falsely claim and Almighty God never called jesus His son, again i refer you to quran18:4-5(warning from Almighty God), like i said earlier try not to be copying and pasting, so you wont embarass yourself as you just did.

lexiconkabir:
i've told you before, desist from copying and pasting, if you cannot, analyze what you are copying before pasting. that verse clearly says mary will beget a pure boy(ibn or walada means son, walada/ibn wasnt used in that verse, so stop being deceitful), God never called jesus His son in the quran! thereby i refer you to quran18:4-5(the one i quoted in my previous post), its a warning from Almighty God!

JMAN05:
It is sad that someone can believe that an "elect" can't lose his calling.

lexiconkabir:
yes, there is nothing impossible for God to do! He created jesus by just saying BE! and jesus WAS! but associating jesus to be his son is highly blasphemous, using your parochial reasoning, then all angels are also sons of God coz angels had no fathers nor mothers(astagfirullahi)! quran18:4-5 "and warn those that say that Allah has begotten a son, they have no knowledge of such thing nor did their fathers, mighty is the words that comes out from their mouths(saying Allah begets a son), they say nothing but lies"

OLAADEGBU:
Thanks and God bless you for posting the evidence Muslims tried to hide.

Lukay99:
Just like you said Allah's love is conditional, do you really think your God in your Bible do not have conditional love too ? my question to you is this, what's the purpose of life ? Why are we put on this planet? Are we not all put for a test ? Whoever passes go to Heaven and whoever fails goes to Hell (this is the truth for both religion) at the end of the day when it's all said and done the God of both Quran and Bible will put unbelievers in the Hot blazing fire for ever and ever and ever and ever is this what you call unconditional love in your Bible? The truth is that God does not like/love evil but God love/like good deed or righteousness the Quran is more realistic on this issue about God's love even though Allah from the Quran dislike evil or unbelievers it also said this about unbeliever “God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable.” Qur’an:60:8 from this verse you can see that even though Allah dislike unbeliever we as muslims still can still be kind and equitable with non muslims as long as they are not trying to fight the Muslims

Read this In the Name of Allah the most Beneficent the mist Merciful who are you to tell us which Allah attribute is the least one how did you come to the conclusion that Love is not Allah's number one attribute do you even know if all his attributes are all equally his main attributes?

Demmzy15:
The punishment for incest in some islamic countries is death, you got it all wrong. Some Muslims don't marry first cousin, research before posting. You've made a fool of yourself again!

johnydon22:
Yes i deny anything that is not based on evidence. . . You only assert a soul because you read it in the bible and that is it (seriously because an ancient primitive book whose writers didn't even know of other planets said so)... How can you postulate such based on just your convictions and not based on empirical evidence and expect it to be taken as a universal truth..

The far we know, you are alive because of the countless neuroperceptive activities, organ interactions and quakes of countless cells in mutual activities and that is it.. Those biological components of you keeps you alive unless of course you would like us to experiment, would remove your heart since you don't need it to be alive, your soul can do the job

malvisguy212:
If God eradicated everyone who has ever caused pain by selfishness, cheating, lying, gossiping or hurtful
remarks, who would be left? People say, "Suffering is God's fault!", In other words,if we disobey God,it's God's fault?
conveniently forgetting times our own anger, greed and lies hurt others. To wipe out some people who cause suffering, and spare you and me, would make God guilty of gross injustice. We have each added to humanity's shame.

If there is a God of love, the people he loves and longs to place in a pain-free world are the very ones who cause
humanity's suffering.

We are so far from being innocent that we owe our very existence to sin. If, for example, we traced our family tree far
enough,we would probably each find an ancestor born as a result of sin - rape, unlawful incest, a despised pregnancy,
sex before marriage, and the like.
Humanity can boast only ONE PERFECT PERSON . We killed him.

Frequently, we hear or read a comment like this:
"I simply cannot believe in a God who
permits innocent children to starve and suffer, and men like Hitler and Stalin to murder millions of people."

The examples may vary,but the thoughts are always the same. Supposedly,this is "proof" that either God doesn't exist, or that if He does, He either doesn't care about our sufferings, or He is not powerful enough to do
anything about them. But suffering is neither proof of God's non-existence or
existence. Saying, "If God exists, why is
there suffering?" is like saying "If San Francisco exists, why are there earthquakes?" Do earthquakes occur because San Francisco causes them? Or do they occur in spite of San Francisco? Or do they have nothing to do with San
Francisco? Well, we know the answer to that question because we know about San Francisco and we know about
earthquakes.But how much do we really know about God? If we define Him by our own nature, then He cannot be of
any greater character than ourselves.

We may ascribe to Him a greater power than ourselves, but when we suppose that God should or should not act like this or that,then all we are really saying is, "He should act like I would if I
were God."

STARVING:
Now, let's look at starving children. The Bible says that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. That
includes everything necessary to feed and provide for its inhabitants. Can anyone deny that the earth is capable of producing more than enough food to feed the entire globe? Well then, if people are starving, whose fault is that? If God made the earth, is He also supposed to plant and distribute our crops for us? Do you remember the tons of food that were shipped to Ethiopia,
but did not reach the starving people who needed it? Whose fault was that?

The reason that over 90% of the masses have barely enough to survive on,is that there is a problem of DISTRIBUTION, not of SUPPLY .A tiny minority have far more than they need, depriving the many.

SUFFERING:
Regarding suffering that is the result of sin, what could be clearer than Romans 1:28–29 and Galatians 6:8–9? The
unbeliever may stomp about with all vigor and complain that it is "bigotry" to associate the rise of AIDS and other diseases to sin; that biblical morality is
narrow-minded, outdated, and totally wrong. But this fact is unalterable: In a society where biblical morality is abandoned, suffering always increases.
Where biblical morality is followed, suffering always declines. Always. (Isa.59:1-4).

As to Hitler, Stalin, street gangs and senseless murders: Would any of these things happen if people followed the teachings of Jesus? Do you realize what
this world would be like if people simply followed God's instructions? There would be no murder, no wars. There would be no welfare, because families
would take care of their own (and families would stay together) and those who did not have families would be
provided for by their fellow-members in Christ. There would be no starvation… I could go on, but the point is: God has
provided us answers; whose fault is it that we don't seek them or heed them when we find them?

I suspect that those who use suffering as a "proof" of God's non-existence would not want to have their free choice taken away from them,but that's exactly what God would have to do if He were to enforce His will on the earth. For if God were to intervene in the matter of
suffering, would He not also intervene in the matter of sin? If He did, He would have to be a dictator.

Then how would we react? We would not want that,and according to the Bible, God doesn't want it either. He wants us to obey Him because we want to, not because we have to. And in order to accomplish this, He must allow two things to happen. First, in order to grant us free choice, He must provide us with graphic examples of the consequences of the wrong choice. Secondly,He must allow injustices and sufferings; otherwise he'd provide sinful mankind with every blessing and benefit without restriction. If everything in this life was fair, good and happy, what need would there be to seek a better life? Why would we seek a Deliverer, if there was nothing to be delivered from? Suffering is not something that ought to turn people away from God, but draw them to Him.

johnydon22:
Oh nice SOUL keeps both microscopic organisms alive too, i like that...and it is eternal too? i like this

Then i don't see any reason why you need your biological anatomy to be alive... So why do you rely on your heart pumping blood to be alive since you have a soul which allegedly is responsible for your being alive?

johnydon22:
Ok good so the soul is the reason why men is alive..Very good.

Euglena Viridis is a biological microscopic organism.. Very much alive, so is Euglena, amoeba and an ant and oh yes an elephant needs a soul to make them alive because this organisms are pretty much alive just like you are?

So since according to you soul makes man alive, what makes an ant alive?

johnydon22:
We are still on the verge of understanding your question..

So according to you, the soul (breathe of life as you put it) is the essense that keeps man alive?

johnydon22:
Nice!!!
So according to you and the bible, the soul is the breathe of life which is the essense that keeps man alive right?.

johnydon22:
So i take it your soul always existed even before here right?

johnydon22:
You asked a question and was asked to specify what exactly you mean and you syart whinning? no wonder you always sound somehow, you throw in any answer that pops out of your head without knowing whay exactly the question is.. no wonder your answers always appear slow..

I repeat: what do you mean by the word "soul" in your question..?

Scholar8200:
Indeed God has made provisions and it is left to our free will to choose what we do with them. However, once such choices are made whether good or bad, it should be realised that the consequences (which could be very far reaching either positive or negative) are part of whichever alternative we select. Hence we become responsible for the choices and their consequences.


Obviously ever since He gave man dominion over the earth, He has always recognised (or respected?) that order hence even redemption could only be possible through a Man (the Word became Flesh)!

johnydon22:
The word "soul" means what according to you?

johnydon22:
First of all atheist do not believe there is no God rather atheist disbelieve there is until presented with tangible empirical evidence... Disbelief of a posit is not belief of the negate...Need to get your facts straight
No where. . . Dead people do not go anywhere because they are dead!!!

dominique:
We're not trying to deviate from the topic you created are we? Give us concrete evidence that the Muslims curse other faiths without a video that makes no sense and a link that is obviously biased.

Can you marry from a Muslim home or permit anyone of your children to marry one? Remove the log from your ey before you remove the spec from the eyes of others.

Demmzy15:
Looks like you're stubborn! Stop using biblical standards to judge the Qur'an, the brother explained and refuted what you were backing on. The Qur'an and bible are two different books. I asked you a question you refused to answer, is your god love?!