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BABAAGBALABA:
WHAT WOULD U DO IF U FIND OUT ON D DAY OF JUDGEMENT DAT ISLAM IS TRULY D TRUE RELIGION

nobilis:
Not only Christians and Muslims.
Even Jews as well.
Don't forget how they were killing everything in their wake during their mythical journey from Egypt to Canaan.
All the religions that claim direct "descendancy" from Abraham are all violent and hate-filled and hypocritical, even though they will claim to be preaching love.

For example, we all know that Islam was spread and is still spread through warfare and massacre and Jihadic conquests. Yet they still come out to boldly say that their religion is a religion of peace.

The funniest part is that they all claim to worship the same God (a God known for sanctioning warfare, slavery, genocide, and killing of innocent children) but they worship different Gods:
* the God of the Jews is not a trinity and has no son. * the God of the Muslims is not a trinity and has no son.
* the God of the Christians is a trinity and has a son and a mother as well.

nobilis:
Lol.
Indeed.
I don't know where you read that the poles supporting the ark fell. Please, give me the quotation of that passage let me read by myself.
It is now very obvious that you guys don't read your bibles at all.
The bible never said anything fell, neither the ark nor the poles.
You see how you christians deceive yourselves and interject your own words into your bible.
What the bible said was that the oxen carrying the ark stumbled.
And Uzzah stretched forth his hands to hold the ark to prevent it from falling. I Chronicles 13: 9
Which was the most natural reaction any other person in that situation could have done.
So why are u lying in order to force the bible to prove your point?

I'm tired of responding to you.
I'll leave others to judge the "foolishness" of your words.
Christians. SMH.

nobilis:
Just listen to yourself.

Let's take an instance.
A glass jug is about to fall from a table. And instead of trying to catch it in whichever way possible, you'll start considering that u must catch it by the handle because the owner of the jug has warned u never to touch the jug's body. And if u see u can't catch it by the handle, you just allow it to fall and break into pieces, right?

Since God is reportedly omnipotent and omniscient, it means that he knew that the oxen carrying d Ark will stumble at that point, he also knew that Uzzah will try to prevent the Ark from falling. If he really loved Uzzah as his creature, why didn't he prevent the oxen from stumbling or stop the ark from falling by himself?
Since he is slow to anger, why didn't he, at least, try to understand dat Uzzah didn't have any malicious intent?
He just got angry and killed him as though he is a spoilt little child that throws temper tantrums.
But there was a time David and his soldiers entered the tent of worship wherein the ark was placed and they ate the unleavened bread that was meant for priests and levites alone. Why didn't God kill David and his soldiers?

Lastly, u said David's son was killed because he was conceived in sin. So it means the small child didn't commit any atrocity of his own. God killed the child because of the sin of David. Why didn't God kill David dat committed the atrocity? He didn't kill David oo. Rather he killed the child. Maybe because the child's life is useless and dispensable. Yet tomorrow, you Christians will stand up and say God hates abortion.

bolaino:
well said, But, the crux of the matter is, More people have been killed because of jesus than have been saved because of Him, It's the honest Truth. And Jesus was not a christian, He did not mandate his listeners to worship him, because he knew he was fallible, Only God is Infallible.

nobilis:
What is this one talking about?
What did Augustine of Hippo say about killing heretics?
What did Pope Urban II say about instituting crusades against Saladin and other muslims who were winning lands for the arabs?
What did Cardinal Richelieu say about killing the Huguenots in France?
What did Queen Mary, daughter Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragorn, say about killing protestants in England?

They were all fighting for God. They all believed they were doing the work of God. They all believed they would be blessed for fighting such wars.
Infact, the popes granted plenary indulgences to anyone who participated in the crusades.

So what are u talking about?

nobilis:
You christians think that reading the bible makes one wise by default.
OP, you asked if God killed innocent people and I've given you instances of where God killed innocent people and I've asked you the crimes those people committed and you have nothing to say.

1. You tell me Uzzah was unclean and shouldn't have touched the Ark since he wasn't a priest or levite. Since he was neither of those, why was he chosen to guide the Ark? Read your bible very well. It was his and Ahio's duty to guide the Ark while the others danced along the way ( I Chronicles 13: 7-8 ).
It was his duty to guide the Ark. Isn't it his duty to prevent the Ark from falling? Yet he was killed.

2. What crime did the children and babies of Amalek commit?

3. What crime did David's first son with Bathsheba commit?

Infact, arguing with u christians is just a waste of precious time.

nobilis:
You christians think that reading the bible makes one wise by default.
OP, you asked if God killed innocent people and I've given you instances of where God killed innocent people and I've asked you the crimes those people committed and you have nothing to say.

1. You tell me Uzzah was unclean and shouldn't have touched the Ark since he wasn't a priest or levite. Since he was neither of those, why was he chosen to guide the Ark? Read your bible very well. It was his and Ahio's duty to guide the Ark while the others danced along the way ( I Chronicles 13: 7-8 ).
It was his duty to guide the Ark. Isn't it his duty to prevent the Ark from falling? Yet he was killed.

2. What crime did the children and babies of Amalek commit?

3. What crime did David's first son with Bathsheba commit?

Infact, arguing with u christians is just a waste of precious time.

nobilis:
Lol.
Christians sef.
Sometimes I wonder if you guys read your bibles at all.
So I'm the one who is ignorant, huh?

I wonder if you've come across this passage of the bible:

I wonder how my earlier post depicts ignorance on my part. You Christians are always fond of handing out insults anyhow. Upon all the bible that u read.

nobilis:
Sorry to ask, sir, but are you daft?
Is it not obvious to you that the two passages you quoted are in direct contradiction to each other?

And you're telling me not to pick a verse in isolation?
I was answering the OP's question. And you haven't answered mine:

The children and babies God ordered Saul to kill, what were their crimes?

None of you ever seem to answer any questions.
When questions arise, you all cower behind ur bible.

bolaino:
Hitler was a christian, Osama bin laden was a muslim, one killed for Jesus The other killed for Muhammad, but they had one thing in common, They were both psychotic killers. They believed in ethnic/religious extermination, if you look at the history of modern humanity, you'll see the Evils these Religions have caused us all, did the catholics not kill millions of people in the name of Jesus, is boko haram not killing people today because of Muhammad. These two Abrahamic religions are the major causes of war and destruction in this world, If people are not stealing, raping and causing disaffection in the name of Jesus, They would be beheading and Killing innocent people in the name of Muhammad, I wish I could be alive to watch these two Religions go extinct, the truth is You have every tendency of being dangerous as long as you're a christian or muslim. Bigots.

Lex11:
OP, our "righteousnesses are as filthy rags" - (Isaiah 64:6) & we, before salvation by God's grace alone, are dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1)... so, we don't "allow" God to change us, He sovereignly and mercifully does so according to His perfect will.

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." - Romans 9:14-16

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"He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." - Deuteronomy 32:4

dalaman:
Same way the christians in Nigeria are all falling into Allah's judgement in the hands of boko haram.

gatiano:
what a wonderful post? i keep wondering why i did not see this post earlier, perhaps the most relevant topics that will raise or ressurect Man into himself is always hidden most times. Could this topic be of your intelligence? no i think not, i think GOD himself knock your brain and set you on a right path and right course. i would say you yearn for answers and GOD is more than willing and more than sufficient to give that to you in abundant and in full measure. GOD wants us "MAN" TO HAVE HIS complete knowledge and understanding, but before we can do that, there are some sacrifice we as Men must do, amongst which is the most important that we must submit ourselves completely to the will of GOD, We must love ourselves completely, we must love,respect and appreciate our women, we must learn to eat accordingly, we must obey the commandments, we must read and acquire knowledge all the time, we must not eat or even touch that swine or pork and we must have the books and learn from the one whom GOD has thought the books (Torah, Gospel , and the Quran), you must have the three because they support one another, one is not complete without the other. and amongst many. And you must have the knowledge of who you are, the knowledge of who GOD is (the bible tells us about the creation but did not tell much if not atall about the creator). You must have the knowledge of the devil/satan (how can you stop the devil, if you don't know who he is ?)
If one is to ask me, "what is your religion?" i have learned to say "my religion is the religion of Abraham".

it is not the end of days or end of the world as the devil is making us to believe that the world will end and all will die and some will then bla bla bla.
it is a world that is to end, not the world. "A WORLD", "THE WORLD". Remember in the bible when devil/satan tried to tempt Jesus, He promised Jesus the whole world if only Jesus would bow to him. Jesus said what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul. but why didn't Jesus tell him immidiately that "hey you there, you don't have the world, how can you give me what you don't have?" Jesus didn't, why? he understood that in reality, That this world (transitory life, world of sport and play) belongs to the devil.
GOD gave it to the devil to rule for 6 days and on the 7th day, the devil shall/will/must rest or die.
but in the Quran, it is said "ALLAH The Lord of the worlds" not just this world, the one before it and the one to come, GOD is the Lord of it all.
Read Gen 1:26. it didn't say GOD create Man, it say let us make man in our own image and likeness and give him dominion over all things in the earth, air and sea. Who is this made man? and who is the us and the our? that is morethan 1 person. and when you get to chapter 5 gen, Adam is reffered to as "them". why?

the creation of the heavens and the earth took more than 6 days, and it took more than 6000 years, it took 6 periods (as in the Quran), 6 million, or billion or trillion, i don't know exactly. but i know for a fact that the earth is 76 trillion years old. and MAN is older than that.
There is a MAN, and there is a Mankind. they are both different people. mankind is a kind of man (in our image).
we can continue on who is GOD? who are you ? and who is the devil? remember it is said that before the end, or before GOD comes, the man of sin, the man or son of pedition would be made known. well he has been identified and he is always right in our faces.

tartar9:
Just say what you usually say"it is the will of God"or the"He works in mysterious ways"claims for there is nothin to defend.seriously!

nobilis:
2. Why did God tell Saul to go and wipe out Amalek?
Just because their ancestors refused passage to the people of Israel? I Samuel 15: 1-3

He didn't even instruct that they be wiped out because of their own sins. Rather because of the sins of their ancestors.

Is that the way of a just God?

His instruction to Saul was: "Don't leave a thing; kill all the men, women, [color=Red]children and babies[/color]; the cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys." - I Samuel 15: 3b
And, OP, this is your interpretation of God's justice?


And to show you how wicked that was, when King Saul refused to kill everything (he killed only what was useless or worthless - I Samuel 15: 9b), God removed him and his descendants from kingship.

nobilis:
4. At a time, David was taking the Ark of covenant from Kiriath Jearim to Jerusalem. I Chronicles 13: 5

At a point along the journey, the oxen carrying the ark stumbled and the ark was about to fall. And a certain man, Uzzah, whose duty it was to guide the Ark together with Ahio ( I Chronicles 13: 7 )stretched out his hands to stop the ark from falling. He was actually doing his job.

The bible reported that God became angry with him and struck him down and killed him immediately. I Chronicles 13: 10

And this is a God who is rumored to be slow in anger.

nobilis:
5. God killed (or should I say allowed Satan to kill) almost all of Job's servants except those who made the reports of the tragedies to Job and also killed all of Job's children Job 1: 14-15; 17; 18-19.

What crime did those servants and children of Job commit that warranted their deaths?

nobilis:
Until we realise that the bible is just a story book, we're going nowhere

1. Why did God kill the Pharoah of the Exodus? You might say it was because he enslaved the Israelites. But I also ask you: what would you have done if you were in Pharoah's shoes? You are a monarch and you have strangers living in your kingdom and you're scared they might rise up against you, what course of action will you take?
And don't forget that God himself sanctioned slavery among the Israelites.

Secondly, why didn't God allow Pharoah to release the Israelites after the first plague? But he insisted on hardening Pharoah's heart until he has succeeded in killing all the first-borns of Egypt?
Even is we say that Pharoah did evil, all those first born creatures that God killed, what were their crimes? Exodus 12: 29

malvisguy212:
the bible is a complete book which message are easy to understand but it may take a lifetime to understand the TRUTH IN IT.

Weah96:
You need Jesus, my brother.

Weah96:
People who take Ayahuasca, peyote, and Amanita mushroom report witnessing similar visions. These are all scheduled ONE substances in the US.

Are you willing to admit that your writer may have consumed or ingested psychedelic substances?

Weah96:
Is it the same God who sent ONE angel to kill over 150 thousand armed men in less than 6 hours of darkness?

Does it make sense to you that such a person will sit for fifty years watching as human beings get decapitated left and right?

Weah96:
Which kain non sequitur is dis one again? A real God wouldn't commit fallacies in a language he created out of anger.

musKeeto:
The story of the African man. Their gods were evil, Abraham's gods were good.

Weah96:
So God could potentially wipe out BH in 50 years? SMH.

dalaman:
malvisguy212 is trying to justify pure barbarism written by uncivilized men long ago because he happens to indoctrinated with their stories, the same man is always at the neck of the muslims and calling the Koran an evil book. The OT is worse than the Koran when it comes to violence and evil deeds. If he claims its God's judgement, why not accept that the injunctions in the Koran which are actually a milder are also judgement from Allah?

johnydon22:
bro you gave an example with the story of noah, i replied you using the same i never quote any other bible verse everybody can attest to that..am not even trying to show you that god is cruel cus whatever it/he/she is i dont know even if an entity of of such caliber exist, its not my business..but the bible rather paints a very cruel picture of the god it portrays...the noah fable is a man made story its not a factual story we all know it even tho christians like to believe otherwise. . . if you truly believe Christianity teaches the truth then why not open ur mind let us study and investigate the truth and see for our self what truly is true. cus you believe it doesnt make it true, that i dont doesnt make it lie either so let us seek the truth and see what we find.

Anomnity:
@OP. Malvisguy212 God bless and reward you with wisdom and excellence.I've always seen these ungodly wicked atheists and even so called christians accusing God of wickedness and It pained me a lot that there's none among the faithful on this forum that can prove to them that those people and nations were extremely evil in their ways despite Gods warnings.

You'll always see in the bible where God still gave them a lot of time while in their extreme wickedness and bloodshed saying their cup is not yet full or their time is not yet come.Yet the evil people on this forum are quick to label God as wicked.