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PoliticsRe: Ondo Elections: Yoruba Muslims Threaten Political Revolt by mandarin: 10:07pm On Aug 16, 2016
Gaddafithe2nd:
Market indeed. I will now tell you that, many muslims by name celebrate your Christmas. Shanty churches doesn't change the facts that muslims have population than Christians in those states.
You just want to make mischief of an irrelevant concern. Yoruba do not play religious politics and that is why a Muslim Yoruba man will prefer to work with a Christian Yoruba than an Hausa Muslim. Which is more is subjective to your seeming irrational judgment which in true reality is of no consequence.
If Catholics were asked of their population in Nigeria today, they will probably carry their baptismal record, sum up the figures and release a bogus figure whereas among the Yoruba, catholic like Muslims has lost many follows to Evangelicals.
To sum up, the Yoruba are a special breed in Africa, deeply spiritual yet embrace plurality of ideas, civilized and, many actually have and practice religious values
PoliticsRe: Ondo Elections: Yoruba Muslims Threaten Political Revolt by mandarin: 5:18pm On Aug 16, 2016
12Monkeys:
I would have shared your hope and confidence of a political structure in the SW devoid of religious sentiments but a new wind has began blowing over the SW and that is a political movement promoting nationalism over sacred Yoruba ideology of freedom of political and religious expression.

There are more opponents of the likes of Fayose and FFK in Yoruba land than there are in the north.

When Olu Falae was kidnapped by Fulani herdsmen who attacked his farm, there were more doubts from the same SW questioning the octogerian elder statesman and chieftain of the once revered Afinifere.

A cursory look at these doubting Thomases who went as far as calling Falae a liar saw that they were mainly drawn from the APC and Muslim fold among Yorubas.

I am not a politician and don't work for one but i must admit you have scores to settle with Tinubu hence your thoughts on his religious leanings. But i feel he has a Christian Itsekiri wife or so, christians all around him and within his family. That he belong to an opposite side of politics with those you mentioned mean anything can be a weapon of war or winning and dragging your enemy down in politics. I feel all those involved in politics and using pan-ethnic platforms understand the consequences of their actions and political decisions. Your opinion therefore to me isn't religious but political which is at variance with the subject matter.
As a matter of fact, there are more christians and social groups in school campuses than islamic groups and the academic environment is a place for enlightened people to grow in every facet of their social life. I insist that the future of islamic fundamentalism is bleak in Yoruba land because they have no one to fight and will never get any empathy among the populace. The Yoruba way of life is not a religious one but cultural and inspite of the penetration of evangelical christianity, Ahmadiya and co, it has refused to die for centuries and that is what make the difference.

They took a cue from their lord and master, Tinubu who in an attempt to promote himself supreme in all spheres of Yoruba life, started the insults on Afenifere and the revered stools of Obas in Yoruba land.

To these misfits, Tinubu is lord, Nigeria is supreme even above Yoruba expectations and traditions and the northern Islamic front absolute.

If you doubt me, I will be posting links of topics created by Yoruba Muslims in the "Muslim for Muslims only" section to show you how these your brothers and sisters reason.
PoliticsRe: Ondo Elections: Yoruba Muslims Threaten Political Revolt by mandarin: 5:08pm On Aug 16, 2016
Whynotthetruth:
cheesy Learn to be realistic bro...

From which tribe & religion cometh those sect that attack and insult Fayose , Odumakin, FFK, Babatope etc and are ready to die for buhari even before his fellow Northernershuh ... Believe me, Yoruba muslims are deadlier than northern muslims nowadays...It is already manifesting for all to see because corruptio optima pessima wink
You don't seem to be able to filter political antagonism from religious ones. How do you differentiate muslims from christians among the Yoruba if a muslim chose not to put an islamic name as part of his names. Attacks based on political affilliation has always been part of the Yoruba political history and its evidently clear that when power changes hands things can turn around. Who even told you that those attacks did not originate from their own foes in their own camps?
Politics is a bitter thing among Yoruba i know that but religion? i will say forget it, they will certainly rise above that.
PoliticsRe: Ondo Elections: Yoruba Muslims Threaten Political Revolt by mandarin: 11:48am On Aug 16, 2016
Deadright2:
yorruba muslims can go to hell, ondo is for christians .
Yoruba land is for everyone; Muslims, Christians, traditionalist, free thinkers and it will only take you to fuse into their society to know the mentality of freedom these people carries. Apart from some minorities in Middle Belt, the Yoruba is the group to which you can ascribe religious freedom. Mosques and churches side by side, husbands and wives practicing differing religions, imam inviting pastors to house warming.

Even those in those universities chose a part of deep Islam, most of them chose the path of peace and to lord their ideologies and reclusive lifestyle will be hard.Religious separatism, sharia or Christian codes can't sell. Civilization not religion is what Yoruba embrace, who can stop that really?
PoliticsRe: Ondo Elections: Yoruba Muslims Threaten Political Revolt by mandarin: 11:37am On Aug 16, 2016
12Monkeys:
Go to any higher institution in the SW and you will see first hand the growing level of radicalization among Yoruba Muslim students.

The problem may not have yet started showing on the streets but give it a couple of years and these radical elements will be in position to change Yoruba politics forever.

The likes of Amir Sanusi where instrumental in furthering the radical Islamic and pro northern movement in universities with their Muslim Student Society. Today those guys are in power and their Islamization agenda is on full swing.

Give Yoruba land at least 10 yrs from now and you will see religion playing a crucial role and determinant in yet heir local politics.
I understand your fears but unfortunately even in 100years it may not materialize, why? Culture of freedom.
No one stops you from doing Oro(cult) ceremonies, no one forbids you from holding stuffs in your mosques or churches. You will have no one to fight.
Anyone seen as a religious symbol and marketed that way cannot be a political force among Yoruba. Fashola is a nominal Muslim, every new year thanksgiving in Lagos during his regime had Pastor Adeboye as the preacher, same with Amosun, why do you think they associate with these men? Among the Yoruba, there are few exclusively religious families without the mix of everything and bigotry cannot win you any political popularity not even in Kwara.

I schooled in the southwest too and a group once attempted to disrupt a Friday class die to Jumat, to the surprise of all, Muslims students like themselves countered them that everything in life is of free will.
There's no way you won't have radicalized elements in Yoruba land but their fights will first start from their own families, they will first have to contend with pastors and easy going Muslims, babalawo etc in their families first. You can see why their futures aren't so promising.
PoliticsRe: Ondo Elections: Yoruba Muslims Threaten Political Revolt by mandarin: 8:28am On Aug 16, 2016
trenlog:
You are talking out of ignorance, what of Oyo, Osun, Kwara and Ogun? Even Lagos has more Muslim who are indigenes of the state more than Christians.
I certainly do not agree with religious segmentation in Yorubaland but you know when resources concentrate in government, there will be agitations by different groups. The truth is that Yoruba has never played to the gallery on religious ground and I think its the influence of their culture that is responsible for such.
Let's be factual, Yoruba land has probably the highest number of Muslims converts into Christianity in the world per population. The actual population of Muslims can no longer be judged by names people bear just like we have ifawale as imams and ogunwale as Bishops.
The states you can think of may be a 50% Christian and Muslims population are two; kwara and Oyo but that isn't even certain when Ibadan comes into the equation in Oyo and when you can think outside of Ilorin and offa in kwara.
To note Ogun as Muslim dominated is a comedy and in fact, when did religion become an issue in Yoruba politics? Saraki, Tinubu, Fashola, Amosun's wives are Christians and most of their children are Christians.
I think one fact you can't take away from the Yoruba is the multireligious nature, good Christians bad Christians, good Muslims bad Muslims, traditional worshippers exclusive, those who combine either of Christianity or Islam with traditional worships or consultations, those who are just there.
You may wish to say that nominal and practicing Christians including Muslim converts should be like over 60% of the population and about 2% exclusive traditional adherents.
PoliticsRe: Ondo Elections: Yoruba Muslims Threaten Political Revolt by mandarin: 9:35pm On Aug 15, 2016
Its just a political power play. Muslims do not make up to 30%in that state to be conservative. Ekiti and Ondo states have low Muslim population and, if a power play is talked into play by Muslim groups, they may never have a member in any government.
However, Yoruba don't play religious politics, its just a digression to create awareness's for their groups
PoliticsRe: Fashola Interviewed On BBC Hardtalk (Video) by mandarin: 7:16pm On Aug 13, 2016
hero2000:
Fashola is still my man! We have seen what he did in Lagos in 8years. It is no fluke. So his pedigree still speaks for him.

He needs to step up; no doubt.
People who have reasonable education and care to study the Nigeria power problem will know that one year is a child's play in sorting the power sector problems on which many are criticizing him on. Since 1999 Obasanjo invested in erecting gas turbines, but gas evacuation was a challenge, transmission is still a challenge with less than 7000mw max capacity, he instituted the process of power privatization and focused on gas being d readily available source and the quickest to set up. GEJ came unbundled it as part of the process a d sold all the Discos to incapable people and just as it was presented in d last conference, even the TCN was a fraudulent stuff.
There re also loads of policy mgts issues like decentralizing the TCN to regional companies and localizing power Gencos. I know many are ignorant and some that knows are playing politics. Shame!!!!

There's nothing any other minister can do more when there's less capital inflow from NDA acts and low oil price, and unbelievable unprecedented corruption issues.mschew
PoliticsRe: Response To Emir Sanusi's Call For Nigeria To Support Palestine by mandarin: 6:58pm On Aug 13, 2016
Nigeria just need to be neutral on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. I don't think its any of our problems at this time. A 2 state solution has been sought but the trivial issue of the status of Jerusalem is what is beyond everyone,its Israel eternal capital and Arabs religious holiest site, this singular issue is at the fulcrum of global crises.

The Israelis believe anyone that removes them from their inheritance will be plagued by unknown disease and that happened to Ariel Sharon when he ceded the Gaza strip.

if Nigeria takes side ,history may not be kind to us.Even Turkey, a majorly Muslim country relate with Israel and just restored diplomatic relations after the Flotilla issue.

Sanusi should face his Emirate as that desire may be far fetched . The only thing that is of interest in the middle East is what the map will look like after Syrian and Yemini wars which have been termed as Iran's proxy wars.
I feel that moved USA into backing some Sunni rebels against ISIL.
Nigeria shouldn't just go there at all even Nelson Mandela refused to mediate for them.
PoliticsRe: Fashola Interviewed On BBC Hardtalk (Video) by mandarin: 8:23pm On Aug 12, 2016
I didn't see how he was grilled here. Many of you just write for the sake of criticizing someone who to me is much better than Jonathan Goodluck. Being able to put stuffs together in recession is hard especially when you have to defend under a dwindling market conditions. I see many of you here are still struggling with JAMB while some can't even defend papers they call certificates!
Fashola to me is an inspiration in the political sphere and trusting him with multiple ministries is the way to confidently tell Nigerians that he's a trusted hand.
To those who hope that Nigeria power problem can be solved by Buhari in a year, it shows how low your education has gone and how ignorant lots of youths have become.
PoliticsRe: Name One Politician You Know Is Capable Of Ruling Nigeria And Give Two Reasons by mandarin: 9:20pm On Aug 11, 2016
jaz:
I voted for Pat Utomi once and I will do it again cos he has sound economic knowledge to move the nation forward and he has been an adviser to past governments on key national issues also he is not tainted with godfatherism or political greed.

I stand by him day or night
Buhari anti corruption stance stands him in peril of death hence, his security arrangement may be to give him some rest of mind, he however needs an economic advisory council that can include some of the best Nigeria parades, give PYO greater freedom to move the economy.

Fashola is a good material and among all the names so far mentioned, aside PYO, Fashola is a light years ahead.
HOW
He became d governor of Lagos under a powerful politicians with political limitations, he was able to raise the hope of Nigerians that we can still get things right.. Through institutions such as Lasaa, Lastra, etc he transformed Lagos, itself a mini Nigeria, demonstrated sufficient knowledge of the task ahead of him and had clear vision of his goals.
if he becomes president, there won't be limitations from Bourdilon, he can map his vision and build bridges. I probably will chose Ribadu or El Rufai as his vice but for religious tone but they can be part of the government.
From the East, I can think of Anyaoku and may be the likes of Frank Iweke Jnr.
Pat Utomi is an economist, love his ideas at LBS and at Conferences but can he manage the political landscape is my candid reservation.If I should be the President, I will make him a member of my powerful economic advisory council.
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 5:57pm On Aug 10, 2016
Emyogalanya:
Who started what killings where in the igboland did we start the killings the pogroms started up north in kano
This thread is not about a history that will take us nowhere. Moving forward is what is needed now
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 5:18pm On Aug 10, 2016
tsdarkside:
ohhh no,noo,noooo,....you are not going to hang the fault of the war on us now...!!!...back to sender!!!...


who started the killings??.......who lives by the sword,shall die by the sword!!!!......
Why would war ensued when critical issues on developments are discussed.Military leaders turned Politicians to enjoy booties of war since 60s! Anyone who propagate war does so to protect the status quo that doesn't really benefit Nigerians at d best. A system that will entrench accountability is of dreadful to corrupt and lazy classes.
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 3:37pm On Aug 10, 2016
The issue of restructuring may become a serious campaign issue in 2019 moreso if someone like Atiku Abubakar should run for Presidency on any platform. The truth is the bottom up approach can be a way of aligning the current structure to suit a more productive one where every group no matter how small will feel belong to the country.
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 1:26pm On Aug 10, 2016
tsdarkside:
we dont need crude-oil!!!.....what we need is full stomachs....the rest is,ovambe!!!...
You are just a passersby, come up with how your are going to get your stomachs full
Christianity EtcRe: 3 Biblical Facts That (almost)everyone Gets Wrong: PART III by mandarin: 1:19pm On Aug 10, 2016
2kings 2:10-11. Please read again and again. The prophet was taken up to heaven by the chariot through a whirlwind
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 1:12pm On Aug 10, 2016
Chiwude:
OP, your proposotion is what Nigeria should have been. Note the word 'should have'. But now the ship has already sailed all thanks to the Hausa/Fulanis and their selfish interest.
Nigeria can and will still be different from what it is today. This arrangement will be part of what will make Nigeria a great country again. Democracy will tinker with all selfish interests, its a matter of time
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 1:01pm On Aug 10, 2016
tsdarkside:
restructure my left foot...the last time people like you tried to restructure,the military took over!!!!......remember??...

the system will gradualy adjust its self....we dont need no radical restructure....

what is with the kings and queens,elders,chiefs,pastors,imams,sultans,emirs,obas,obis,children,retireds,raging youths,angry widows...

do they have place in your restructuring plan??,,,
I feel a really long $40 a barrel crude oil is what Nigeria needs to get her acts together. You think if the people resolve to restructure military will take over power? Its just a simple constitutional amendment sir.
We can't be under bondage for fear of freedom!
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 12:29pm On Aug 10, 2016
tsdarkside:
which model??...their is nothing to change....the system we have now comes already with adjustments since 1960...

get back to work and stop only using your head...use your hands too...agbaya...!!!
How can you say the current structure is good. Getting allocations from the centre? Oil dependent economy ? Ethnic and religious tensions? Corruption? etc
These will be addressed I believe in the model out forth sir
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 12:17pm On Aug 10, 2016
tsdarkside:
we know your type!!...na you you....you dont like hard work...you only like to think and still eat and drink........abegi,park well!!!!...
You unfortunately haven't come up with a better model. During the regional arrangement, it was a 50-50 sharing formula, I believe the interest of all is protected in this model albeit not exhaustively hence, the need for your contributions
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 12:13pm On Aug 10, 2016
cheruv:
Hao! Hao!! cool
You can criticize this model but I feel it will satisfy current agitators, allow for those with religious views in governance and five freedom to plurality
The central government can be headed by a Prime Minister
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 12:13pm On Aug 10, 2016
cheruv:
Hao! Hao!! cool
You can criticize this model but I feel it will satisfy current agitators, allow for those with religious views in governance and five freedom to plurality
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 12:10pm On Aug 10, 2016
tsdarkside:
op,,you are a thief..only a thief will suggest such a thing...


ahhh...i get it....!!.....

you want to cheat the weaker ones from their fair share....agbaya....

dont go back to farming,keep on forming smart here..........agbaya
You didn't state how the weaker ones are cheated and how they are protected in the current structure. This is a bottom up approach such that:
1. Ethnic or interested groups form their autonomous districts, regions or principalities
2. Come to be a part of a state
3. Have their interests duly represented in that state.
PoliticsRe: Name One Politician You Know Is Capable Of Ruling Nigeria And Give Two Reasons by mandarin: 11:36am On Aug 10, 2016
I honestly believe a Fashola presidency with Ribadu or a PYO ads President and Ribadu vice.
But man can't see what God can see.May be its me
PoliticsRe: A Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 11:29am On Aug 10, 2016
All infrastructures, security and educational developments will be under states control. Federal government will control foreign affairs, defense and federal security apparatus
PoliticsA Restructured Nigeria...geography & Politics by mandarin(op): 11:27am On Aug 10, 2016
There were of late the agitations for the restructuring of Nigeria, it does not matter what opinions political office holders hold today, Nigeria will have no option but restructure in order to continue to survive as a virile country.
I actually see former Vice President Atiku Abubakar coming up with this as a smart political calculation to align his political future with popular sentiments across southern Nigeria and key areas of Middle Belt even though he fell short of what manner of restructuring it should take.
The question is what form of restructured Nigeria do we want, this is why am doing this for Nigerians to contribute beyond the blanket agitation to the exactness of how a restructured Nigeria should look like:

When Nigeria antecedents are duly considered and now that we have to reckon with current challenges and likely challenges that may confront this country, it is pertinent to restructure Nigeria to address problems of:
1. Ethnic agitations for autonomy
2. Fiscal federalism and dependent on centralized economic system
3. Resource control
4. Security challenges such as militancy and terrorism
5. Disparity in socio economic and political evolutions.
6. Protection of minority groups

WHAT NIGERIA
A Federal system maintained in which states are slightly different from what they are now such that states will reflect solutions to ethnic agitations, resource control, security concerns, fiscal federalism and provide platforms for growth within a desired socioeconomic and political sphere. This means we can have all Hausa/Fulani, all Yoruba, all Igbo and all Ijaw ethnic groups and their willing kinsmen can form states. Now states will be autonomous and be fiscally independent. If we put the limitation on admission as states such that we may not have more than 14 states and the FCT.
We can therefore have 7states in the North and 7 states in the south.
So in my opinion, aside the Hausa/Fulani state let us call it Arewa state, we can also now have these states in the north:
1. Arewa
2. Borno : Representing the kanuri people
3. Nok : This state will be the agglomeration of minorities in southern Kaduna, plateau, southern Bauchi, states of today
4. Niger: comprising various non Hausa/Fulani groups and who would not want to be in Arewa from Kebbi, Niger, non Yoruba in Kwara, parts of FCT
5. Benue : The Tiv people with non Yoruba in Kogi, Nasarawa and parts of Taraba
6. Gongola: minorities in southern Borno, Gombe, northern Adamawa
7. Mambilla : Groups from Taraba, Adamawa and similar groups from northern cross River
*FCT
Before I move to the south, the question is when you lump many more ethnic groups won't you be creating a bigger problem?
The answer is internal political structures and autonomy across interested groups such that, ethnic groups or groups with similar identities or interests will form local governments, districts, or principalities evolving their own internal administrative system. For instance, in Benue, the Tiv people can have their autonomous Tiv region and Igala can have autonomous Igala region and that state alone can have as many autonomous regions as it may be desirous of its people. Any state willing to centralize its administrative structure can also do the same if it so desire.

Let me now suggest the seven states from the south:
1. Omoluabi-Oduduwa: Yoruba and their kinsmen that may be willing to be a part of the state
2. Alaigbo : Igbo people and their kinsmen that may chose to be a part of the state
3. Izon : comprising all ijaw people from Delta, Bayelsa and their kinsmen that may be willing to be a part of the state
4. Bendel: Edo and Delta excluding parts that may have aligned with oduduwa, Alaigbo or Izon.
5. Rivers
6. Akwa Ibom
7. Cross River
The internal administration is such that minority groups can have their own autonomous districts, regions, provinces etc within each state.

RESOURCE CONTROL
Since Africans are still land related people and are yet to see the brain as the greatest resource. This is a very sensitive matter.
All resources within each state is within the control of the state but owe it to the Federal government to pay 40% of all proceeds as tax to the federal government.
Internal arrangements will be made by states on how developments can be pursued.

OFFSHORE OIL AND GAS
All offshore minerals shall be under federal-states joint administration with 50%-50% equal share with federal and states bordering the coast.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
A unicamera assembly with 3 representative from each state and 2 extra members from states with bigger population size meaning that a state cannot have more than 5 representative and cannot have less than 3
Christianity EtcRe: Theory Of Evolution Debunked! Evolutionists Pls View Intelligently. by mandarin: 9:03pm On Jul 28, 2016
Jesus said " because they thought they could see they became blind" Anyone trying to explain creation through scientific means is fooling around, you can only have ideas through spiritual sanity!
PoliticsRe: Anambra Has Over 1 Billion Barrels Of Oil & 30 Trillion Cubic Ft Of Gas - Obiano by mandarin: 5:34pm On Jul 26, 2016
This is a sweet news to hear. I hope the governor knows that news like this is what we want to hear. Anything that will break the MEND, AVENGERS etc hold will do. However, he did not state the quantity that are still being disputed with Kogi, now that is very important as statements as this can fuel ethnic shocks. I think If this is confirmed to be true at all then the entir Niger trough has to be checked for gas especially.Good news
CultureRe: Yoruba Words And Phrases That Has Gone Global!!(interesting) by mandarin: 8:09pm On Jul 25, 2016
Oga : Boss is the single most understood word across many languages and spoken across many countries.

Nko: suffix , a question mark? is another widely used word
PoliticsRe: Hnd/bsc Dichotomy Removed by mandarin: 7:08pm On Jul 24, 2016
Polytechnics and Universities aren't d same at d levels of research, curricula and teachers. You can't equate any polytechnics to universities. The essence of their existence differs.
CultureRe: Is The Kingdom Of Nri Really Older Than Oyo Empire? by mandarin: 2:12pm On Jul 23, 2016
The Kingdom of Eri was highly hypothetical when you study through d historical concepts presented by its archeological proponents. The dates offered were not distinct and many positions assumed were historical mirage.
The effect if Benin Empire on Onitsha can be proved culturally but there's no distinct cultural inheritance but some relics assumed to have been part of Eri civilization which to someone like me, can be assumed to be unproven as part of today's civilization. In the last 500 years, no one has been able to prove that an empire existed that span 18th century in Eastern flank of Nigeria save the bloodied Arochukwu kingdom which was minor and to d north if it d Jukuns and Igala.
There are alot in African antiquities and saying Eri is of continuous igbo kingdom is d same as believing d currents crops of Arabs were of d ancient Egypt
PoliticsRe: PHOTO MEMORY: When Awolowo Visited Primary School In Delta Region 1952 by mandarin: 9:40pm On Jul 07, 2016
We must appreciate the foresight of that man, most stars of today's Delta were either direct beneficiaries of his vision or offshoot of it

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