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The belief that someday nationalities may be redefined in Nigeria is a strong factor in all these brouhaha. The city of porthacourt is seen as a solution to maritime challenge that may confront a future igbo country and having porthacourt not necessarily lkwere make the lkwere an important group. To the best of my knowledge Switzerland and Austria have no such boundaries and the success of the igbo is in their capacity to fetch success for themselves anywhere in the world.I think these claims are unnecessary.
I feel the affinity any tribal group may have for an ethnic group may not necessarily be borne out of similar languages or cultures but also economic and about other characteristics of the dominant groups like attitude to religion freedom, cosmopolitan exposure and democratic values.
I feel if the lkwere feel important values to them are only guaranteed elsewhere binding with igbo nation may be a pipe dream.
I think ethnic groups with certain interests in other groups can look inward if they have sufficient capacity to deliver on such important guarantees.

This write up is full of hypocrisy and aggrandizement of self delusion. I guess the writer if from Kano. Let me call your attention to something; the North has benefited lopsidedly from the Nigerian state. The old Sokoto state is now 3states of sokoto, Zamfara and Kebbi, the old Kano state is now Jigawa Kano and Kaduna all with state governors, federal universities, house of representative members, commissioners and several federal agencies.
Independent Nigeria consisted of three autonomous regions that should have been countries today; the Western, Eastern and Northern Region. Today the Northern region, an equal entity with the West and East is having 19 states governors, several commissioners, 19*3 senators, several House of Rep members etc all feeding fat on federation account to which they contributed less than 20% , did I just write that? what was the tax return from the 19 states in 2019 to Federal Account? You see, if restructuring is the way to go, you will know the value of southern states.
You think southerners are just carrying fake certificates? You are full of ignorance and in terms of education don't even go there. The North has benefitted from the Nigerian state more than double of all the old regions. The North has led this country more and yet it complained more of underdevelopment, but where should you look to? the south? When Awo industrialised the West and Azikwe the East Sardauna tried his best at least in Kaduna and Kano but all the companies available were largely in areas that benefited from the scheme you mentioned not any fabricated lies you touted there.

You know what, you are scared, democracy is not just about numbers, its about freedom, and the change is gradually and steadily coming to politics that will put Nigeria on good path. Bro/Sis, don't hate on any ethnic group or tribe, Nigeria is open for you to play, whatever is in any state as deficiencies today, look at leaders from such states.

With the current geopolitics, it will be difficult for the Yoruba to support an igbo presidency in 2023 because the Tinubu camp remains the closest to the Presidency that same year and they have laboured to get this far. The igbo planted in PDP and so it is expected their focus should be in PDP. Honestly, I believe the Yoruba are the most marginalised in Nigeria. The tripod of North, West and Eastern Regions that produced Nigeria devolved into states point this out when you have to look at how infrastructural distributions have been since regions were abolished. The North now has 19 states, the Eastern region now has 9 and old western Region now has 8 all with attending budget allocations, local governments, representations in Legislature, Universities etc etc.
The Yoruba has lost ground alot and any constitutional amendments should address that. Second, the tussle between Igbo and Yoruba is on economic dominance, just like China and USA, it's a race to who possess the economic influence. While igbo see success as an individual thing Yoruba more or less see success additionally to ethnic prosperity. The Hausa/ Fulani like socialism with state money being shared and know they can't compete with these two in their areas of strength so they pursued political power as the means to an end.
Let me say that if Nigeria's democracy last for 30 straight years the power hegemony of the North will be broken because the Middle Belt is awakening especially with herdsmen and pro core north ideas of PMB.
Moghalu has spoken what igbo should take serious, in a democratic society power is played and igbo should play too and stop agitating for power to shift to them, it doesn't work that way.
I honestly feel Igbo and Yoruba will have to work together and later inculcate the middle Belt areas where cracks have shown. That will be SW 6, SE 5, SS 6 plus state like Benue, Taraba, Plateau, Kogi and many other areas where agitations are rife, they can win elections in Nigeria at least 2011 is a testament when all those areas voted GEJ.
I think God may acta6want these people to work together to lead because the whole south has 17 states and they must work together to have at least 20 states that think the same. That could also mean the Southwest devolving some economic power to the Eastern flank to accelerate communal development, igbo should stop referring to the civil war is the bottom line Kingsley said because over 80% of current population were not born at the time and it's time they should see life in Nigeria from positive perspective and not narration that could narrow their minds afterall there is no possible post in Nigeria that an igbo person hasn't occupied before.

The CNN is now officially a Democrat news media. It's TRUE during the BLM protest that news about COVID 19 disappeared until Trump was about to organise his come back rally. Everything is being cleverly planned and managed to influence the thinking of voters and destroy the US economy to nail Trump. So it's all about power grab.
To many who sees Trump as the enemy, I think time will tell

I feel the Southeast do not have the record in APC to gun for the Presidency. It's a PDP zone and has crossover APC members who may not necessarily have the political clout to even win the entire zone.
Better for APC to focus on its strong areas of Northwest, Northeast and Southwest. If you ask me, I think potential contenders are Osinbajo, Fashola, Fayemi, Aregbesola, Amosun, Elrufai, Hadi Sirika, Abubakar Malami and Masari.

I think based on @seunokin politics today I watched yesterday, the analysis showed obvious legal gaps that can be explored to balkanise the party and they can drag it up to the supreme court. By this they are laying landmine for any NWC that may be elected if the pendulum should swing against them.
To get them out of the court, the group may become a faction of the party with enough power to negotiate powerful positions. Its powerplay

I respect Fashola because he has the capacity to deliver if he has the authority or power in his hands

VP Osinbajo for his brilliance and intellectual capacity to embrace openness and progress. If he should become the President everything will be different

El Rufai though with some attending reservations but he's a man of quality

Anyim Pius for his capacity to collaborate

Aisha Buhari as a veritable whistle blower who actually should be praised rather than disdain

I think this punishment is too harsh for someone described to have served meritoriously for 34years and as a first time offender within the remaining one year. Let him just retire as this may be internal politics in the military. Its like a ball hanging on a thread, its rolling and might be someone else's turn tomorrow.

I think northern elites were silent when fulani militiamen and herdsmen plundered and murdered in middle belt and various states in southern Nigeria. I think the Nigeria police and security apparatus are stretched beyond capacity and stressed. Community policing and states based security apparatus should be used to tackle this challenge.

Our scientists are not so much engaged in research, I believe changing our approach to 50-50 research-theory based training in schools will help our advancements in a whole lot of ways.

IGR is a reflection of how government has been able to harness what people operating enterprises within their borders should pay back to the government for common good of all. If a government feel just a little tax is ok then the IGR might be small. The SE being filled with people who are into loads of personal businesses may not have a huge IGR unlike say Ekiti where most citizens are civil servants. However low IGR also mean low number of factories, and low value of economic activities

I often wonder if profits declared by banks and many financial institutions are credible. I think CBN need to verify claims made in this story. I think if a company declared billions as profit for Year end 2019 and is yet to pay dividend, it can approach its shareholder to reduce such dividend or suspend it for reinvestment purpose in the face of current economic realities. I feel this is a revelation of various executive recklessness and mismanagement.

A koko Edo is historically Yoruba, mention the names of their towns and kinsmen and their dialects. It's just like Kogi where Yoruba are in the western part of the state the okun, oworoh and Yagba etc
Even parts of Etsako are cosmopolitan Yoruba but it depend on how you define your Yoruba ethnicity because its wider than your myopic history.

No speech impairment no memory loss have u checked the background pictures or examined the type of camera etc. I mean your argument isn't sustainable

Fake news and fake reporter. He never said anything this way. Fake fake fake

One guy said all these things on twitter, even if it's a conspiracy its believable to a large extent. But I believe china will burn its fingers and nurse the pain for decades as there will be global revolt.
You know Russia has been out in its place by an American proxy Saudi Arabia, no oil windfall too bad.
US currency is the global standard so technically the country has zero debt if you know ou know.
If this story is true then prepare for the worst as there will be retaliation like new trade frontier. African countries might become beautiful brides between East and West.

Thank you op for this enlightening thread but let me quickly correct the notion of Ese Odo LGA in Ondo state.it is not an ijaw dominated place but Yoruba dominated LGA with Yorubanized Apoi and Arogbo villages and they were migrant fishing communities just as Fulani migrated to different areas.

The more important point I want to make is that the Yoruba is the single largest ethnic group in Nigeria

The @op is right that's an indirect insinuation. @cnnnews is anti Trump and they wont care less to blow the world with the news should it ever happen. Theirs is no longer any objective journalism. Tueh!

Thank you for this and what about the lion?

i feel these are based on state of origin statistics. I honestly feel the NC and NW are likely to have people from south claiming indigenous to fast track their admissions into local universities and other tertiary institutions.

Looking back, i feel the SE and SS that made up of the old Eastern Region have improved while the SW has not done well factually. Yes, looking at graduates statistics and NYSC enrollment will only help to understand the rate at which each region is actually producing for the market.

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A key factor that keeps poverty high in Nigeria is lack of access to finance. I strongly believe poverty in the south would have diminished so much should the youths and young adults have access to finance that could help their various initiatives in business and entrepreneurship.

One key point however that we easily overlook in Nigeria is the fact that states and local governments are not doing anything to empower the people but just incentivize them for electioneering purposes. Most financial commitments to poverty alleviation is cash based and what do a poor man do with money more than to eat!

Many youths and young adults in the northern states can still work on the farm if government focus on farming. Uneducated people can still learn to drive tractors or harvesters, can work in food factories etc but government is rather waiting for allocation from the federal and so 37(FCT Inclusive) states are waiting for their monthly handouts draining their creativity on how to confront their problems

The people with the lowest poverty are most probably the Igbo because majority are into buying and selling and that also has had negative impact on productivity of the country. For Nigeria to stamp out poverty people must engage in value creating activities including small scale manufacturing like we have in Nnewi, Aba, Ibadan and around Lagos and Kano. Youths must be able to access capital to drive their initiatives to generate value. I often frank at how cabals in the banking sector have cornered opportunities to themselves because whether we accept it or not, you may praise Sanusi Lamido as good CBN Governor, we are still reeling from the poverty that resulted from mass purge in the banking industry during his tenure. The spiral effects still plague the southern part of the country till today coupled with inimical policies that is yet to liberate micro financing after removal of community banks. We should reduce entry barrier to those who may be interested in financing youths initiatives, why must I have 100million to start a microfinance bank? what is micro about 100million? why can't we have Assets Financing Companies and real micro lenders with just a million naira even half a million. If for instance, i intend to fund market women selling vegetables, lending them 50,000 naira can change their lives. Why must our policies in the areas of finance be like Europe or China? Until we realize that strong commitment to taking people out of poverty is in our hands we should prepare for an explosive situation that will consume even the perceived secured rich people.

We can tackle poverty by also de-emphasizing inimical cultural norms like marrying four wives, women not working etc and focus on what we have that we can use to move forward, the first I will say is land, even the oil we emphasize so much we don't own the technology but we can start from where our strengths lie which is the land is ours, we have population that can farm, then the question is, how do we get them to work on the farm. From the farm we can look at storage, transports, transformation, selling, exports etc.

This is a serious issue and a strong threat to Nigeria's security. I believe it was thoroughly investigated before this news came out. If the DSS should refuse to take interest in this story then there may be a problem as the global terrorism speculations often comes true most times.
I hope Nigeria can ris to the occasion

ale - to mean strength is Ondo/Ikale
du - vessel/base is Ekiti as in Odu to mean pot usually large pot variants of this are usha, ishaashun, ukere, amu, oru etc

Am completely taken aback but the Yoruba has variant of tribes and would you think all the tribes poses such trouble in the DNA that you mentioned?

As far as I have seen, there are narrative that became muddled up with Ela; God, the creator who was the one who taught the ancient ancestors of the Yoruba on how to connect with him because some account claimed Agboniregun was the principal man who taught the world Ifaodu when in fact, IfaOdu is to draw out information from vessel or conduit the ‘base' or foundation of life( Aiye or Iye). This among other reasons I tend to suspect some later IfaoduYoruba priests who out of self interest tried so much to infuse Odua and Obatiseala into the cosmetic myth of creation which ought not be so because these two men died while Ela has no beginning nor end. This is the reason Ela is the one we worship in the morning when we pray which is traditionally called ‘bori' and Christian as well as Muslim know as prayer to God. Interestingly, Allah is Muslim name for God. Ella is ancient Hebrews name for God and the same Ela is ancient and still serve as modern name for God.

Yoruba often find a way to make amends in history but such often distort historical naratives and confuse oncoming generations. Sir, can uyou kindly brief us things we should know about these:
Oduduwa
Oranyan
Agboniregun
Orunmila
Ela
Irunmole
ogun( if this personality id Og in Bible narratives that would be Og the King of Bashan, a powerful king overtaken by Joshua)
Owa people : The people in eastern Yoruba euologies are omo owa( seekers i guess)
And any other perspectives that would help us especially about the Ephod

Olu317:
You see, the Ifaodu & Ephod is the same thing though the interpreters of the classic Hebrew are also with their own flaws whixh cannot be overlooked because the language is said to be in extinction which is also false. If Classic Hebrew is in extinction, how do they now translated the ones that they were able to ?

The point here is that many prominent Yoruba scholars( Professors/Ph.D, Maven etc ) are the problems with their concluded postulations because of doubt and assumption that Yoruba people of today are dark skin people and supposed to be from Africa whose offsprings are now in settlement in present day Nigeria and her environment in a nearly 98% homogeneous closely related settlement pattern.
Something of interest is that the language of Yoruba seemingly found in Arabic are thought to be loaned or shared between these two group,which was once raised by Al Ilori. While Arabic and Ancient Hebrew shared some lexicons too which showed the reality about the identity of the Yoruba's ancestors and their language that was brought to Africa and through th deep forested West Africa because Ancient Hebrew shared more Strong linguistics relationship with Yoruba more than it shares with Arabic .


The fact on ground according to oral narration and document presented by Sultan Bello in the early 18th century pointed at Yoruba as a people of ‘Khanan'. Shockingly as it is, Khanan is the same as kana and it meaning(same thing/same). Conton and Dierk Lange agreed to the fact that the Yoruba lifestyle pattern or mode of ritual practise are of the lost tribe of Israel . Indeed, there are so many words that are used daily which are of Middle/Near East origin found in both Arabic and Semitic Hebrew and the Semitic Hebrew is more evidently seen in Yoruba language which ought to be basis for all these Yoruba historians to move backward into pre 1200AD as to see the pattern employed by ancient Yorubas who were so unique in Africa because the Art work , Tradition, language of Yoruba etc which are closer to ancient Classic Hebrew, that are found in the scrolls taken away as war spoils when these invaders destroyed the first and the second Temple in Israel. It is of a fact that the ancient Hebrew language through interpretation by European/English interpreters showed thus far that Yoruba language is the biblical narrative of the chosen people of God. History has it that, 1604-1611, the Bible was translated to English through Middle Age Hebrew scroll and Greek interpretation to English language. The Book Bible is basically about self teaching or teaching moral to one's child, or morally upright which the Ancient Hebrew called ‘Torah' according to the Semitic writing in pictographs. This word is accurately fit into same meaning with Yoruba's word ‘Tora'/Tòr(Tò) for teaching/training/instruction to be morally upright.

On the name you pointed out as Olokun is a corrupted way of the name pronunciation because Yoruba of Oyo is the group which use the word O instead Èlúkun which is the actual name pronunciation before the drifting away by Oyo speakers. There are challenges to these drift which make the Yoruba language to dwell between the ancient( rural dwellers who speak the older dialect) and the modern speakers.Challenge as these rewriting the true identity of Yoruba is very important, since there are names whose footprint had been forgotten through time but still in memory of the elders of the Yoruba society via oral. Such name as Èbòrá which is equivalent to Biblical A-b-r-m or E-b-r-m. The same goes for Aroní( a mystical man in ancient Yoruba folklore) and the equivalent in Classic Hebrew. A more pronounced Ogun(,king of war/mighty man of valour) and the Classic Hebrew Og(warrior king/mighty man of war).

As far as I have seen, there are narrative that became muddled up with Ela; God, the creator who was the one who taught the ancient ancestors of the Yoruba on how to connect with him because some account claimed Agboniregun was the principal man who taught the world Ifaodu when in fact, IfaOdu is to draw out information from vessel or conduit the ‘base' or foundation of life( Aiye or Iye). This among other reasons I tend to suspect some later IfaoduYoruba priests who out of self interest tried so much to infuse Odua and Obatiseala into the cosmetic myth of creation which ought not be so because these two men died while Ela has no beginning nor end. This is the reason Ela is the one we worship in the morning when we pray which is traditionally called ‘bori' and Christian as well as Muslim know as prayer to God. Interestingly, Allah is Muslim name for God. Ella is ancient Hebrews name for God and the same Ela is ancient and still serve as modern name for God.

Another misleading information about the Yoruba is the Opa Oranmyian which was claimed to be a waking stick of the man. This information is nothing but fallacy as far as I have seen and read the inscriptions through the classic Semitic/pictographs/hieroglyphs language on it which is not about a walking stick but show that the inscriptions are information about a migrants Race that their descendants of today's people need to know where their original ancestors came from and their strength as a people of God.

On the name you pointed out as Olokun is a corrupted way of the name pronunciation because Yoruba of Oyo is the group which use the word O instead Èlúkun which is the actual name pronunciation before the drifting away by Oyo speakers. There are challenges to these drift which make the Yoruba language to dwell between the ancient( rural dwellers who speak the older dialect) and the modern speakers.Challenge as these rewriting the true identity of Yoruba is very important, since there are names whose footprint had been forgotten through time but still in memory of the elders of the Yoruba society via oral. Such name as Èbòrá which is equivalent to Biblical A-b-r-m or E-b-r-m. The same goes for Aroní( a mystical man in ancient Yoruba folklore) and the equivalent in Classic Hebrew. A more pronounced Ogun(,king of war/mighty man of valour) and the Classic Hebrew Og(warrior king/mighty man of war).

Impressive.
The brickwalls of decoding old inscriptions and language is in the transformation from east to west of Yoruba country. Limiting the prefix such that 'u' is eliminated etc will only leave us frustrated. I will take for instance ' Eledua' or ' Eledumare' would be the correct not 'Olodumare'
That could me Obiri laye would probably be Ebiri laye. Now, the Ebora you mentioned when I see the amin on them is not in pronounciation as we know, kindly clarify, that would sound like Abram to me.

You know when babies grow in the mother's womb, it descend into this world by the umbilical cords. The baby grows in the deep 'waters' of sojourn in its mother's womb. When sperms are released, one or few can ferterlize the egg and those that lost out are drown. Am i missing something?

[quote author=MetaPhysical post=20760435]In a metaphysical sense, the cosmic world is a flooded dimension. We are carried in a vessel safely through the unseen but perceived deluge. Those that fail to board the vessel are drowned. The vessel is what OPON IFA is. In it you have TWO of every animal (possible permutations of events or ODU).

All the numbers and dimensions given to Noah are all cryptic messages for the ORACLE.

Have you thought about a baby in the womb. When sperms are released could be male or female into the 'water' of the ovum, the ones that catch it are fertilized and others are drowned. Just look at a baby in the womb, its the creation.

i see it in this dimension!

ladionline:
Well this exactly how fatomilola put it: ifa olokun asorodayo, eleri-ipin,... omo inajoko majerun. The witness of that event is Olokun, hence the name Olokungbajo, meaning "Olokun saved his contemporary" Now the people of ipetu-ijesha would say: awa la njudi nigba Olokun, awa lonje abori jagajigi. Awa londani ti ale eni nkoni, elegbe wa maitu o, aya gbogbo nso kule-kule.

Hit on this page again, a pointer to Exodus of Israelites or Hebrews from Egypt. Either the progenitors of this verse learnt from the Hebrew or were parts of that history. Having many pantheons or players in Yoruba history also mean many influence.

Olokun- Moses(pulled from the sea)
Ifa(Ephah- contain Urim & Thumim) - These two could mean the Ephah associated with Olokun or Moses, may be a historical narration of events involving Moses
Asorodayo- Turn things around to joy(oro means circumstance)
Eleri Ipin - Witness of division(not fate) division of the sea by Moses
Omo inajoko majerun- the burning fire and the bush not consumed- that is Moses


If you say Agboniregun is the father of Ifa could it mean the one who carry or throw the Urim and Thumim, that should be Aaron the Priest.
Can someone tell me something?

Well there are valuable insight concealed in that piece: today people says oduduwa came thru a chain from heaven. That tradition had not existed at Bowen's time because oduduwa has not been plucked from Yoruba classic. Sometime somewhere, odu'a gotta hang on d chain from heaven. When Awo started 'egbe omo oduduwa,' some Yoruba declared that olofin and not odu'a was the father of Yoruba.

May be the chain must have been from a ship when they seek - ''owa'' seeker, from the city of 'On' called Orun in Yoruba.

I've actually thought within myself that should I become a governor or president, I will drop this excellency of a thing, it can only belong to God. I dont want to share such salutation with the almighty Himself.
God bless you Mr. Governor

The race to 2023 is a southwest thing with outsiders like Fayemi, Tunde Bakare and even Amosun. More powerful candidates are Tinubu, Osinbajo and Fashola.

Currying northern support is key in winning but although I cannot bare the entirety of my mind here but people should suspect some factors that can influence who among these that northern powers will support.

1. Fayemi: Amiable and a bridge builder but rather may be very calm and idealistic, he is urbane and quite educated. May not be favored by the Tinubu and APC southwest in the face of other available candidates. He might be the 3rd option for the Buhari camp.

2.Tunde Bakare: He is not a politician and he possess all the qualities but he may face a brick wall even if the Buhari camp present him at the primary election should only one of these other candidates also contest except Amosun. APC southwest and other Tinubu allies will not vote for him. This will be El-Rufai candidate and will probably give him the opportunity to be his vice
3. Amosun: He is very close to Buhari but will not be able to procure supports from his home base should he be presented by PMB. Except other ex-governors agree to campaign for him, it will be very difficult to sell in the southwest.
4. Tinubu: Powerful, influential and his influence cross boundaries. He can negotiate himself to power and can work his way to Aso Rock without much difficulty should PMB present him, its a done deal but for God. He can actually fulfill the dream of all the regions, he has exceptional skills and management and can assemble good hands but the North is afraid of him for some reasons i don't want to talk about but the jagaban is trying to thread softly.
5. Osinbajo: Should PMB present him, Tinubu may be handicapped and support him. Brilliant, calm but stubbornly committed to his beliefs, He will be a good period in Nigeria. The north may be wary of Tinubu's influence in his government but he is someone that can win votes from everywhere in the south , the middle belt and parts of the north. I believe he is second in Buhari's mind. Malami Abubakar, Hadi Sirika, or Bello Masari may be his Vice.
6. Fashola: Number one man on PMB radar. He is a workaholic, brilliant, analytical and a great force. With him Tinubu's influence will be minimal, he like Osinbajo will be pan Nigeria. The only problem will be who his vice would be of which Buhari may favor someone fro Northwest who is also a christian but Boss Mustapha, comes to mind as he has become powerful.

In summary, I honestly believe Tinubu has the political clout of wooing people across Nigeria even from PDP to become the president but Buhari is a serious factor in his emergence but I think Fashola, Osinbajo, Fayemi, Bakare, Amosun are in that order.