He gave His only begotten Son to suffer and die for our sins, what compassion is greater than that. He has done His part, it's left to you to believe and get your healing. What else do u want Him to do!

First the fallen angels. Then Adam and Eve and the talking snake. Then mankind screwed up so much that in god's mind it needed to be drowned. Then it screwed up again and god decided the only way to solve the problem this time was a human sacrifice.

And you think that a human sacrifice of his son is an act of compassion?   
sounds more like an act of masochistic savage brutality to me.

No doctor with any sense of compassion would lay down conditions before healing the sick and disabled.

In fact, SETI goes beyond just searching for extraterrestrial life, it searches for any evidence that life has ever existed anywhere in the universe, and till date nothing yet

So according to this, up until less than 100 years ago there was no intelligent life on this planet too. cause that is when we first started to transmit radio waves?

All the millions of life forms on this planet over millions of years including humans until the 20th century existed without possibly being detected by a system such as SETI.
There could be billions of planets in the universe teaming with life as we know it or not as we know it that dont transmit any artificial radio waves.

This is what we understand about the universe so far.
Complex physics leads to chemical systems, complex chemistry leads to biological systems, complex biology leads to intelligent systems, complex intelligence leads to self conscious systems. complex conscious systems leads to  true wisdom and understanding of the universe and our place in it?

We have not quite reached there yet, but if we ever do, i wonder where that will lead us to next.

Adam and eve were deceived by serpent to disobey God. I know this cos it's in the Bible.

Facepalm 

@Jenwitemi
How is this ridiculous? What about 186 oxen or wildebeest instead. It's just a matter of using the resources available at the time.
They could have used sand ramps up each side of the pyramid till they gradually reach the top, then remove the sand and polish and decorate the stones on the way down.
The accuracy can be achieved by using plumb lines against the pole star, basic trigonometry, water levels and basic hydraulics.

^^^^
have you read the god delusion?

Take a look at his website http://richarddawkins.net/ before condemning the man. It's mainly about the celebration of science and reason. Add you opinion to the topics in the comments. I think you and olaadegbu might enjoy adding to the discussions there too.

@Olaadegbu

Have you read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins?

If they could move this windmill with 86 oxen in the middle ages, just imagine what the ancient egyptians could move with 86 elephants!!!
Plus thousands of devoted workers and highly skilled craftsmen with many generations of experience.

Think about it. Aliens not required.

This discussion is craaaaaaazy. How can aliens travel faster than light to get here and then use helicopters to travel around. And not leave behind any advanced tools or materials, Or accurate maps of the earth or solar system or anything else that an ancient civilisation couldnt make themselves? think about it.

We should not underestimate the craftmanship of the ancient civilisations. They didn't need or get any help from 'aliens' or 'supernatural gods'. With enough time, willpower, manpower, and hundreds of powerful afican animals at their disposal they acheived some great things all on their own and should be respected for that.

If one of the ancient tombs was opened and just one piece of advanced machinery, or material was found in it then that would be real evidence.

Some people even believe that the ancient egyptians had electric light bulbs. I wonder if they Know how a light bulb is made and the processed materials, mathematical formulas, scientific equations, vacuum generators, high resistance filaments. current flow, voltage generators,  And the  manufacture of copper cable and insulation material etc etc

I agree with the 'Martian' 

i agree.
Did anyone apologize when Iran burned Bibles? Did Christians slaughter Muslims over it? No, I didn’t think so.

It was reported that NATO forces accidentally burned Qurans, so President Obama did what comes naturally and apologized. No matter, two US troops were murdered anyway.
If you think the actual book is what is holy and sacred then you are just plan ignorant. That goes for the Quran, Bible, Torah or any others. The book is just a collection of pieces of paper that have been printed on them. The words and ideas behind the book are what is sacred. Those you cannot destroy! Anytime you make an object (book, building, cross, place) holy and/or sacred you are participating in idol worship. I do believe that is punishable by death in the Quran. How ironic!!!

No muslim leaders apologized When Iran Burned Bibles? Muslims believe every copy of the Quran is sacred. Seeing that they’re willing to murder in cold blood anyone who destroys a copy of the Quran, even inadvertently, you’d think they would be just as outraged over the burning of Bibles. But no, the fundamentalists not only don’t respect other religions, they don’t believe anyone has the right to adhere to any other religion. And here we are apologizing.

They deserved no apology. In fact apologizing just makes things worse since terrorists were using the holy book to plot escapes, murders, more terrorism, and who knows what else. The true muslims should have been more upset with the terrorist who by the very definition of Islam were not acting within the proper bounds of their faith, but were using that faith to spread their terrorist hatred of everyone that does not conform to their strick dogma. So all those people protesting and demanding death to Americans were NOT followers of Islam, but followers of terrorism.

The muslim leaders should be appealing to their people to calm down and condemn any violence. Instead they call for a 'day of rage'. And this is the 'religion of peace'?

All non - believers in the existence of God must watch this short 1 minute video. Then you will see why a God exists. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfv-Qn1M58I

BREAKING NEWS: Atheist Professor Head of New TERROR MOVEMENT 

(BCC) – BCC’s senior political correspondent Robert Nicholson reports that Number 10, for the first time, has declared “militant atheism” a “clear and present threat to the national security of the UK.”

Speaking at Downing Street…

Speaking at the Number 10 press room this morning, newly appointed Downing Street press officer, Baroness Warsi said, “We have received incredible and non-independently verifiable revelation from our insecurity services that the New Militant Atheist Movement (NMAM), led by former Oxford Professor Richard Dawkins, are laying plans, as we speak, to terrorize this country, to destroy everything that we stand for.”

Where are the NMAM?

In a wide-ranging speech accompanied by diagrams and pictures highlighting the command and control structure of the new terror movement, the press secretary said: “the NMAM has spread into cells that threaten to become a cancer on the body of this nation; they are your family, friends, neighbors, and even your former biology professor.”

(Picture; NMAM leader “prof” Dawkins, middle, with beard; Kenyan training camp, near his birthplace. Sam Harris, left, and Daniel Dennett, right, both high ranking members of the movement, can be seen holding pens fully loaded with ink.)

WMDs!!

When asked to elaborate on the nature of the threat, the Baroness said, “Look, here’s what we take on faith about the NMA: they are thinking of, are more than capable of, and, have indeed been able to deploy destructive and, yes, offensive and highly developed weapons in the forms of words and ideas within 45 mili-seconds of you and me and our loved ones. Just this morning, on a dawn raid on an apartment that was recently occupied by leading members of NMAM’s command & control, we found WMD manuals that displayed a high degree of sophistication and, one may say, intelligent design. There aren't amateurs we're dealing with here.”

When pressed on what the manuals were, the press secretary responded, “We are still in the process of deciphering their content, but, having studied the cover carefully, I can say with conviction that one of them, a book which we think is a Bible for this movement, was called The Origin of Species; the other The Selfish Gene. Both books were extremely well-thumbed and in some cases sentences were double underlined – in red! Clearly, we are dealing here with a very advanced threat!”

(Picture; well- thumbed copy of The God Delusion, a manifesto of terror and accompaniment to The Origin Bible.)

How to protect yourself!

Before bringing her speech to end and being whisked away to an undisclosed location for a Cobra meeting, the Baroness gave the nation some words of comfort and advice.

“People need not panic, our insecurity services are praying night and day to thwart this threat. But we all need to be vigilant. There are a few easy steps that we can all take as a nation in this very difficult time:

1) Be alert. The NMAM has infiltrated every nook and cranny of our society. Tell-tale signs of their presence are: people who use words such as evolution and phrases such “decent with modification”. Do not approach these people. Dial 999, pray or -- better yet -- run to your nearest church, mosque, synagogue, or temple and report the matter.

2) Faith or Evidence: do no approach anyone who replies to your comment with: “What’s the evidence for that?” Quickly retreat from that person and repeat adivce in 1, above.

3) If you see a suspect package (see list including TGD, TSG, and TMOR), do not touch it; repeat advice of 1, above.

(Picture; artist’s impression of how to evade and NMAM offensive word attack.)

In closing; confusion

There was mild consternation and confusion in the press pack when, at the end of her speech, Baroness Warsi said, “God bless you, and may God Bless the United States, I mean, Kingdom!”













http://richarddawkins.net/discussions/644952-breaking-news-atheist-professor-head-of-new-terror-movement

I just visited richard dawkins website and found this video.

Have a look.

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/645069-the-winner-of-the-social-media-contest

This man is evil dangerous and must be stopped from spreading this evil secular message to the world !!!

I was just going through my holy bible some couple of minutes ago,Genesis to be precised and chapter 1 verse 1 says " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." a question now came to my mind,where was God living before he created heaven,honestly i am not trying to play any pranks here i just want to be enlightened and i would be grateful if anyone out there could help me out.

Thats a very good question. If in the beginning god created the heavens (the universe) and the earth,  then god must have been living somewhere else outside of this universe.
That leads to another question: Considering that this galaxy is 100 million light years across, and other galaxies are millions and billions of light years away from us, how can we see the light from them if earth was created at the same time and the light takes millions of years to reach us.? We can also see things in the heavens that must have happened millions of years before the earth was created like the remnants of exploding stars (supernovas), black holes, and even other solar systems with planets, some like earth.
This shows that the universe is very much older than the earth. In fact the earth and all the elements that it and we are made from were formed in the fusion reactions of supernovas which can still be observed to be happening today, and planets are still observed to be forming from their remnants.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

This also begs the question; Who was god talking to when he said this? Let US make man in OUR image.

If you put these questions in context with the age when these stories were written and the people who wrote them, there is a very obvious conclusion to your questions.

Remember the saying 'In space, no one can hear you scream'. The writers of the bible didnt know that sound needs air to travel and in space there is no air. It is a vacuum.
That means that god must be living on a planet with an atmosphere so that he can produce sound waves to make words.

The creation stories in the bible are so full of holes, that must be the reason why it is called holy. It was written by ignorant bronze age nomadic goat herders who had no idea that they were living on a planet in orbit around a star, which is one of billions of stars in a galaxy, which is one of billions of galaxies containing billions of other planets which are just now being discovered. They needed to try to make sense of it all, but got it all so horribly wrong

@Frosbel and Uyi Iredia
Will Jehovia's witnesses be going to heaven?

Watch this short video about a young african boy named Owiti who prayed to god because he was dying of starvation, then you might understand why god has not found time to answer your prayers.

God's priorities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKkfBKLApY

50000 animls only Huh Huh Huh Huh there are MILLIONS of species. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

This is explained 20 seconds into the video just after "damn it Geoffrey always with the problems, always with the problems. What now?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g


Some people argue that Noah only took the major kinds on the the ark and not each individual specie, but this still adds up to 50,000 at the very least.

Did you watch the short video i posted?

How are these statistics not illogical to you?

Why is it that you find it so hard to realise that the story of Noah's ark is a fictional story, written by bronze age middle eastern goat herders who were ignorant of how illogical and irrational the story was. 
A more rational explaination is that it was based on a huge local flood where the survivors may have truly believed that the whole world was flooding.
The last ice age ended around 10,000 years ago, releasing massive amount of frozen water, causing huge floods all over the world and raising sea levels considerably. These tales (just like the one in The Epic of Gilgamesh) would have been past down by word of mouth over generations until the invention of writing enabled them to be recorded in print.
With the knowledge available to you today about the world you live in, can you see how the story was clearly written by people without that knowledge?
Maybe they really believed that what they were writing was true even though it was not possible.

Think about it.

I see that you like cartoons. Take a look at this short lighthearted cartoon video which highlights a lot of the problems with the story
Then tell me what you think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g

If you need to refer to your bible for answers to explain an illogical story in the bible that's no problem. I would prefer if you used your own rational thinking, bearing in mind that the bible was written by men who had no idea that there were places thousands of miles away with animals that could not survive in the place where the ark was built. But even if they were all there, how could a sloth walk from the ark to south America, or a lemur to madgascar, or a kangaroo to Australia? It is too far for them to survive and there would be vast oceans to cross.
I know you really don't want to doubt the literal truth of any words in the bible but just try to think outside the box for a minute and think of how the story originated and when.

What words are you talking about? I asked the OP whether he will accept answers given from the Bible and he has not responded. Don't blame me if you have a grudge against your Maker. It is just like you are cutting off the branch you are hanging on for dear life.

All logical replies are welcome. I cant understand how anyone with a basic knowledge of the life on this planet could believe that all the millions of species of animals on this planet (including microscopic lifeforms) could travel from their specific climatic locations to the middle east and live on a boat with no specific food supplies for everyone.

It makes no sense to me, but i would sincerely like to know how it makes sense to you.

Why did god have to kill her just because she looked back? It seems like the most human thing to do. Maybe she heard her mothers voice amonst all the screams of the hundreds of people being burned alive by god. Or maybe she just felt a bit of compassion for the suffering of her fellow human beings.

If the punishment for disobeying a stupid command is death, Why didn't god god turn adam and eve into pillars of salt too. Then he could have started again with a new improved version and saved all the future mass murders and genocides that he knew he had to commit in the future.

And what about poor Lot. To have his beloved wife so cruelly killed right in front of him by god must have been heartbreaking for him. And probably even worse for his two daughters to see their loving mother so callously killed in cold blood. I must have been so hard for Lot to have to try to raise them on his own as a single father. The whole crazy story is quite sickening and then gets even worse when he ends up getting drunk and sleeping with them both!!

From the movement of the earths crust it is possible to rewind the clock to when the the earths land mass was one giant continent, but this was roughly 200 million years ago and long before the time of Noahs ark. 50 million years ago australia had already long been isolated from the rest of the land masses, which is why the plants and animals there are so unique to it.

Even if the animals on australia did manage somehow to cross the ocean to the mainland, how long do you think it would take for a kangaroo to hop to the middle east or for a koala bear to walk there, considering that it only eats eucalyptus tree leaves? What about the flightless birds of new zealand like the big fat kakapo:

http://nbnl.globalwhelming.com/2009/10/03/video-the-last-remaining-kakapo-parrot-in-new-zealand-tried-to-mate-with-a-human/

Is it really feasible or just totally irrational when you think about it? The people who wrote the story didn't even know that a place like australia or new zealand (or all the other thousands of south pacific islands) existed and would not have even thought that the fatal paradox in the story would arise.

If the story of noahs ark is literally true as millions of christians believe it to be. How did kangaroos (and koalas etc) manage to get off Australia and make their way the thousands of miles to the middle east where Noah was building the ark?

This is a question that has been bugging me for a while now and any rational answer from someone who takes the story literally will be very welcome.

Respects

well is the question being posed no different than asking why would an all powerful God need to put his own son on the cross. why not just do away with evil and make the world perfect etc,

maybe he got tired of being a sadistic, genocidal maniac and decided to be a masochistic maniac instead for a change.

There are so many different religions with completely different holy books out there. You know that they cant all be right. But What makes you so sure the your one is the right one. And dont say that its because the bible says so. You must see that a muslim can just as easily say that Islam is the right one because the Koran says so etc.
Atheist dont hate the bible, they just dont believe that it is true, just like all the other ancient (and modern) supernatural myths.

The Magic of Reality by Richard Dawkins

http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Reality-Know-Whats-Really/dp/1439192812/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318458229&sr=8-1

"Product Description
Magic takes many forms. Supernatural magic is what our ancestors used in order to explain the world before they developed the scientific method. The ancient Egyptians explained the night by suggesting the goddess Nut swallowed the sun. The Vikings believed a rainbow was the gods’ bridge to earth. The Japanese used to explain earthquakes by conjuring a gigantic catfish that carried the world on its back—earthquakes occurred each time it flipped its tail. These are magical, extraordinary tales. But there is another kind of magic, and it lies in the exhilaration of discovering the real answers to these questions. It is the magic of reality—science.

Packed with clever thought experiments, dazzling illustrations and jaw-dropping facts, The Magic of Reality explains a stunningly wide range of natural phenomena. What is stuff made of? How old is the universe? Why do the continents look like disconnected pieces of a puzzle? What causes tsunamis? Why are there so many kinds of plants and animals? Who was the first man, or woman? This is a page-turning, graphic detective story that not only mines all the sciences for its clues but primes the reader to think like a scientist as well.

Richard Dawkins, the world’s most famous evolutionary biologist and one of science education’s most passionate advocates, has spent his career elucidating the wonders of science for adult readers. But now, in a dramatic departure, he has teamed up with acclaimed artist Dave McKean and used his unrivaled explanatory powers to share the magic of science with readers of all ages. This is a treasure trove for anyone who has ever wondered how the world works. Dawkins and McKean have created an illustrated guide to the secrets of our world—and the universe beyond—that will entertain and inform for years to come."


This is a must read for anyone who is curious about understanding more about this world and universe we live in, whether you are religious or non religious. I am half way through it and am finding it truly fascinating, enlightening, and very spiritually uplifting.

Respects

Nobody needs to agree with me that 1 +1 = 2. It is a logical and empirical FACT.

Sorry to interject in your conversations. i just thought i will adjust your simple equation.

1 - 1 = 0.
where +1 is matter and -1 is antimatter.

In other words, when this universe was formed from nothing it contained an equal amount of matter and antimatter.

If you have the time have a look at these two documentaries, Everything and Nothing.
They show the latest discoveries on our understanding of space and everything in it, and relevent to this discussion, how 'something' can be detected spontaneuosly emerging from 'nothing' in the second part.

humankinds knowledge and understanding of this vast and magnificent universe is increasing at an exponential rate and there is still so much more to discover.

Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXliM19h6YI

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Atheists are not "mocking" your god. They just dont believe that he exists. Do you think it right to call people fools just because they dont share your theistic belief.
You are also an atheist about the thousands of other gods that people around the world believe in. Atheists just go one god further than you.

Do you really think it is helpful to label all hindus, muslims, jews, buddhists, atheists, etc and even our own ancesters fools. open your head to the big picture and you will see that the belief you hold so dear is an irrational and barbaric concept, forced upon us by slave traders hundreds of years ago to keep us in bondage.

Now that we have broken free from the iron chains its time to break free from the mental chains also. Just think a little deeper about the many thousands of different religions and different demoninations of those religions and you will understand that they cant all be right. than think about all the billions of people on this planet who have lived good lives but are not christian. Do you think they are all going to your 'loving' gods torture chamber.

Respects

Makes no sense. Are you trying to claim that evolution through natural selection is way much faster than abiogenesis?

Yes. That is the case, It took about a billion years for the earth to cool enough and the severe meteorite bombardments to subside enough and for the right conditions to develop to allow abiogenisis to occur. Once self replicating molecules had formed they would have spread and evolved relatively fast compared to inorganic molecules.

This planet is in orbit around a massive nuclear fusion reactor energy source. This favoured the first organic molecules that mutated chemicals that could react to this energy through photosynthisis and develop into more complicated organisms whilst releasing oxygen into the atmosphere as a waste product.  After this an exponential growth in organic life occured.

Based on your own statistics . . . that is bull. If it takes 1 billion years to generate the smallest RNA strand then it took a mere 3 times that to move from a protobiont to a fully functional multicellular organism capable of logic and complex reasoning?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy If you believe the above then i have an island to sell you.

Abiogenisis from inorganic chemicals and evolution via a process of natural selection are two completely different processes. You do know this.