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Christianity EtcRe: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:12am On Sep 14, 2016
It is a Biblical fact that we have Scripture that commands tithing to Levites living in the Promised Land. But there is not one single Scripture that states one is to tithe to an Apostle, pastor, elder, or bishop of a New Testament Church.

Many claim that tithing is valid based on the following verse…

Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Here, men that die receive tithes. Who are the men that die that receive tithes? Many automatically assume that this is referring to pastoral staff in the local Church. It is not. Rather, it is referring to the sons of Levi. Notice,…

Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Who are the receivers of the tithe in Hebrews 7:8? The sons of Levi in Hebrews 7:5. They have the command to receive the tithes. So, naturally, they receive them.

And what tithes do the sons of Levi receive? The tithes according to the Law.

Leviticus 27:30-34 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’S: it is holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

1. They receive the tithes of the seed of the land. This is speaking of garden produce. Food for the sustenance of the workers of the Temple and for their sustenance at home as well because among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.

2. They receive tithes of the fruit of the tree. This is speaking of that which grows on trees, such as pomegranates, dates and figs. Again, for the sustenance of the workers of the Temple and for their sustenance at home.

3. They receive tithes of the livestock in Israel. Animals born in the flocks and herds, were to be tithed from. Every tenth animal to pass under the herder’s counting rod.

4. They were to receive tithes of the children of Israel. There was no command for peoples of Gentile nations to travel to Israel to tithe. Nor was there a command from God for peoples of Gentile nations to tithe in their own lands. God gave the tithe to the Levites.

Numbers 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Numbers 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

Numbers 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD’S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

The tithes “according to the Law” were agricultural.” There is no other type of tithe commanded in the word of God.

The tithes “He receiveth” are the tithes “according to the Law.” He is not the one commanding or demanding the monetary tithe that men preach in religious institutions today. He never authorize man to preach or teach the monetary tithe requirement doctrine.
Christianity EtcRe: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by MarkMiwerds(m): 9:28am On Sep 13, 2016
mrZENographer:
First to start with, your posted picture blatantly shows that you are not a believer. So i wonder why a christain should be wasting time with you @ polymatic
Actually, I am a Believer. I have been preaching the word of God for nearly three decades.There is no command

There is no command for a monetary tithe anywhere in the word of God. In order for one to teach monetary tithing, one has to depart from the word of God.
Christianity EtcRe: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:08am On Sep 12, 2016
polymathic:
1. Tithing is scriptural.. forget malachi 3:8 and read Hebrew 7.
2. Tithing is a choice not by force.
3. Have you ask yourself this question? how some churches were built without donation for church building? Thats what your tithe does. Its also used for the work of the ministry and propagation of the gospel.

Tithing is not the only access to God's blessing but its important cos that is the only way the church get funded for the work of the ministry.

NOTE: Any church where the pastor or leader uses the tithe for their personal use can never grow and cannot stay for long.....
Good to know you made the Bible your standard for living and knowing the truth....
1. Hebrews 7 is not speaking of a requried monetary tithe. Hebrews 7 4 speaks of Abram's tithes from the spoils of war. Hebrews 7:5-9 speak of the Levitic tithe according to the Law. The Law said God's holy tithe was to be agricultural, not monetary.
2. In many denominations, people are forced to tithe by being accused of robbing God if they don't and being threatened with a curse if they don't. The only reason they choose to tithe is because they are forced into choosing.
3. In the Bible, God's holy tithe was not used to build churches. It was used to feed those who were poor in the Promised Land; the Levites, the widows, the orphans and foreigners.

Tithing is access to God's blessing? I have to disagree. For one, Romans 8:32 says that God will give us all things freely. He doesn't require a ten percent cover charge for His blessings. All one has to do to receive God's blessings is to ask God to bless him according to His will. James 4:2 says, "Ye have not because ye ask not," not "Ye have not because ye fail to tithe."

If tithing is as important as you claim it is, why is the New Testament epistles so silent on the matter? In Acts 15:28-29, not even the Holy Ghost saw it as something important for the Church. Not even in the Pastoral epistles do we see any instruction for people to give ten percent of their monetary income.to the church.

Christianity EtcRe: I Am Just Tired Of The Nigerian Church by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:15pm On Sep 10, 2016
In order for a Christian to give a biblical tithe today, that Christian would have to:

a) be a physical descendant of Jacob. (Leviticus 27:34; Psalms 147:19-20)
b) be given a portion of the Promised Land by God. (Genesis 28:13-15)
c) move into the Promised Land (Deuteronomy 6:1-3; 12:1,10-11)
d) raise crops or breed livestock on that portion of the Promised Land (Leviticus 27:30-33)
e) take a tenth part of the crops raised, and/or every tenth animal of the livestock to pass under a rod to a physical descendant of Levi in the farming communities (Numbers 18:24-26; Nehemiah 10:37-38)
f) be unfaithful to Christ (Romans 7:3-4)

An attempt to tithe by any other means in any other geographic location is in direct contradiction to God’s word, and would not be a biblical tithe.


Monetary tithes exist in the Church today because of lies in the pulpits and ignorance in the pews.

Christianity EtcRe: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 9:31pm On Oct 18, 2015
Is Tithing a Sin?

by Ronald W Robey

Is tithing money a sin? Yes, it is,... if you are tithing money in order to obey the Biblical command to tithe.

God's Word decides what is to be tithed, not us. The decision as to what is to be tithed, to whom the tithe is to be given, and where it is to be tithed has already been decided in God's Word. He said His holy tithe is agriculrural, not monetary. (Lev. 27:30-33) He said it is for the physical descendants of Levi, not for Gentiles on Gentile soil. (Num. 18:24-26; Neh. 10:37-38)

God's Word says that sin is the transgression of the Law. (1 John 3:4) For anyone to say that God requires monetary tithes is a lie, since God's Word says His holy tithe is to be agricultural. For anyone to say that God's holy tithe is to be taken to Gentile pastors on Gentile soil is a lie, since God said His holy tithes are to go to Levites in farming communities in Israel.

When those who believe that God's Word commands tithes tithe money and they tithe on Gentile soil, they transgress the very Law they claim to be keeping.

Yes, to tithe money in response to Leviticus 27:30, Malachi 3:10, Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42 or Hebrews 7:5-9 is, in fact, sin.
Christianity EtcJesus Said "Beware!" by MarkMiwerds(op): 4:02pm On Sep 29, 2015
Jesus Said Beware!

It has been said by many that in the story of the widow who put her last two mites in the Temple Treasury, she was being commended by Jesus after she did so.

I am not so sure this was the case. Notice:

Mark 12:38-44 And he said unto them in his doctrine, BEWARE OF THE SCRIBES, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces, And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: WHICH DEVOUR WIDOWS HOUSES, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

If one reads the text in context, (beginning at verse 39) one will see Jesus was warning of religious leaders who, “rob widow’s houses”. Then, He sits against a wall across from the Treasury. Lo and behold, a widow comes and drops all her living into the Treasury.

What I see in that text is Jesus pointing out a destitute woman has just been robbed, not that He was commending her. Her money could have purchased some needed things that she lacked, but she put it in the Treasury? Why?

The Scribes, the LawMakers, had demanded her needed money.

Perhaps this is why we see in the New Testament, (post-crucifixion) a change in teaching on money.

Prior to the cross, there were requirements from God for certain monetary values to be given to the Temple. There were additional monetary demands imposed on the children of Israel by the religious leaders of the Temple.

In the New Covenant, we find no set required amount imposed upon the faithful in Christ. Instead, we see exhortation to give as we see need and as we are able. No unnecessary burdens laid upon the people of God.

Many churches today imitate the unjust Scribes of Mark 12. They impose monetary burdens and financial distress upon their congregations through a man-made monetary tithe requirement that is totally foreign to either Old Testament or New Testament texts, and in many churches, multiple offerings in a single service. These religious leaders are preventing many in their congregations from properly feeding themselves and their families, they are obstructing the congregant’s ability to purchase needed medical attention, etc..

Jesus’ words of warning should be heeded by all. “Beware of those who would rob widows houses!”

And yet, many are deceived by their religious leaders demands and threats.

Truly disheartening.

Yes, the meeting place does have its bills, i.e.; electric, water & sanitation, telephone, etc.. However, if getting those bills paid means members may have to suffer lack for their own needs, then the meeting place should close its doors. The Apostle Paul told the saints at Corinth:

2 Corinthians 8:13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

Many Pastors and spiritual leaders today demonstrate little or no sympathy for their members. They impose monetary offering demands on them that God never authorized.

May they repent of their wickedness before their day of judgment.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 3:47pm On Sep 26, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
MarkMiwerds is like...
Yeah, I'm the smart one. I'm not on the ladder. LoL.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 12:02am On Sep 23, 2015
[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=37122382][/quote]God did not say one-tenth of the firstfruits belong to Him! Firstfruits were a small handful or basket from gardens and orchards that were taken to the Temple at the beginning of harvest. Tithes were taken to the Levites in the farming cities at the end of the harvest. (see Nehemiah 10:37-38; Deuteronomy 26:1-4)

And Jesus' statement, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and render unto God the things that are God's" has nothing to do with tithes.

Whose Image and Superscription?

by Ronald W Robey

“Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and unto God that which is God’s.” Matthew 22:21

The above statement made by Jesus to the scribes and Pharisees is often taken out of its context and used by pastors and laymen alike, in an attempt to prove that God requires tithe of money from the Church member today.

But, when read in context with the entire discourse, and rightly dividing the Word of Truth, it is easy to see that Jesus was not endorsing a monetary tithe at all.

Matthew 22:15-22 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk. And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s. When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

The disciples of the Pharisees and Herodians asked Jesus a question concerning tribute paid to Caesar. Jesus’ profound reply is overlooked by many today.

The image and superscription on the tribute money was that of the ruling government… Caesar’s. In our modern language, we would say it thusly, “Pay the government the taxes they require. The money is theirs.”

Jesus also said that those disciples who questioned Him were to give to God that which was God’s. Was He speaking of money when He said, “Render unto God the things that are God’s”? Not at all.In the very first chapter of the Bible, we are told that man was created in God’s image. So, the question arises, “Whose image and superscription is on man?”

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

That’s right… God’s image. And when man places his faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for his Salvation, God’s superscription is upon that man.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Romans 12:1-2 tell us that we are to present our bodies as living sacrifices unto God, holy and acceptable unto Him.

“Render unto God that which is God’s.”

In Matthew 22:15-22, Jesus was not telling the Pharisaical and Herodian disciples to tithe money. He was telling them to yield their own selves, their bodies to the LORD’s service. And Paul echoed that admonition in his epistle to the Romans thirty years later.

God’s image is on us. Let us always be prepared to be yielded to His service.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 12:36pm On Jul 20, 2015
If monetary tithe teachers were honest with their congregations...

Christianity EtcA Soon Coming Judgment by MarkMiwerds(op): 9:32am On Jul 06, 2015
A Soon Coming Judgment

Ezekiel 34:1 (KJV) 1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 34:2 (KJV) 2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

Ezekiel 34:3 (KJV) 3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: [but] ye feed not the flock.

Ezekiel 34:4 (KJV) 4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up [that which was] broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

Ezekiel 34:1-4 is a perfect example of the spiritual leaders in many of our assemblies today. Many Pastors keep the flock in a state of oppression through deceitful handling of God's Word and manipulative sermons.

For instance, in the Old Testament, the tithe of the land went to feed the Levites and less fortunate in Israel.

1. The sons of Levi who had no inheritance (Numbers 18:24-26)

2. Widows who had no husband to provide for them (Deuteronomy 14:28-29)

3. Orphans who had no fathers to provide for them (Deuteronomy 14:28-29)

4. Foreigners in the land (Deuteronomy 14:28-29)

Many pastors have taken the very Scriptures that show this provision for the Levites and the less fortunate in Israel, and twisted them to formulate a doctrine where the less fortunate of their flocks are required to provide for them. Quite the contrast to the exhortation of the Apostle Paul, who said

Acts 20:33 (KJV) 33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

Acts 20:34 (KJV) 34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

Acts 20:35 (KJV) 35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Instead of following Paul's example, they are like the condemned scribes of Mark 12...

Mark 12:38 (KJV) 38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and [love] salutations in the marketplaces,

Mark 12:39 (KJV) 39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:

Mark 12:40 (KJV) 40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

The Apostle Peter exhorts:

1 Peter 5:2 (KJV) 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight [thereof], not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

1 Peter 5:3 (KJV) 3 Neither as being lords over [God's] heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

This exhortation, they ignore.

Just as God's judgment came upon the shepherds of Israel, so also, His judgment will be against these wicked pastors who handle deceitfully His Word and oppress their congregations with their lies.
Ezekiel 34:5-10 reveal God removing the sheep from the shepherd's care. The shepherd cared not for the well-being of the sheep, and so he could no longer be considered their authority. He was no longer their leader.

Today, we see many leaving institutional organizations that men call churches due to oppression. The pastors have been keeping them in poverty through the monetary tithe requirement lie, and they are being removed from that flock by the Spirit of God.

As in the final verses of Ezekiel 34, God is moving His true Church, His sheep, moving on to green pastures. He is moving them to a place where they are both watered, and nourished.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 3:26am On Jun 21, 2015
Thought for the day...

Christianity EtcImportant Questions Need To Be Asked by MarkMiwerds(op): 7:57am On May 13, 2015
Important Questions Need to be Asked
by Ronald W. Robey


Why do people expect God to honor a promised blessing attached to His tithe command, when they are not tithing as He instructed?


What? When? Where? To Whom?

These are all key questions that need to be addressed when discussing the issue of God’s commanded tithes.

What?
The first thing we must ask is what does tithe mean? It simply means “a tenth,” or “a tenth part.”

A tenth of what?
God’s commanded tithes can be found in Leviticus 27:30-33. According to that passage, His commanded tithes are agricultural produce and livestock. A tenth of the crops were holy unto the Lord. Every tenth animal was holy unto the Lord.

Where?
Where were God’s tithes supposed to be given? Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & 12:10-11 tell us that the tithes were not to be observed UNTIL the children of Israel crossed over Jordan and entered the Land promised to their father Jacob. This means that at this point in history, God did not want tithes from other lands than the land of Canaan. (which later became known as Israel)

The Scripture in Malachi 3 tells us that God had a storehouse that His holy tithes were to be taken to. These people were still under the Mosaic Law, and therefore the tithes would have still been as decreed in Leviticus 27:30-33; i.e., agricultural produce and livestock.

To Whom?
Who was told to tithe? Who were they to tithe to?
According to Leviticus 27:30-*34, the command to tithe was given to Moses for the children of Israel to obey. Psalm 147:19-20 tells us that God did not give the Mosaic Law to any other nation than the nation of Israel. So it was Israel, and Israel alone who were required to honor God with tithes. He did not expect tithes of people living outside of Canaan.

Numbers 18:21-28 & Nehemiah 10:37-38 tell us that the children of Israel were to take their tithes to the Levites, who were ministers of the Temple of God. The Levites, in turn would take a tithe of the tithe to the Temple. The children of Israel did not tithe directly to the House of God at any time. That was the responsibility of only one of the twelve tribes of Israel… the sons of Levi.

In Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42, Jesus rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for neglecting the important parts of the Mosaic Law, yet commended them for their careful observance to the tithe command. Yet, if one reads carefully, one will notice that the Pharisees were tithing items grown in a garden, not money. Money was not a titheable item under the Mosaic Law. God said His tithe was to be agricultural. Man could not do what seemed right in his own eyes and tithe money. God said it had to be agricultural produce.

The last place tithing is commanded in the Word of God, Hebrews 7:5-8, it is still to be observed, “according to the Law” and still to be given to the “sons of Levi".

There is not one command, nor instruction in the entire Bible for Christians to tithe their money to the New Testament Church… not one!

Pastors have deceived millions into believing they are to keep the Mosaic Law of tithing by running to Leviticus 27:30 as their proof-text that “the tithe is the LORD’s”. They then take that tithe command and run to Malachi 3 in an attempt to prove you are robbing God if you don’t tithe your money.

In other words, they handle the Word of God deceitfully, taking a command of God, turning it into a man-made command, and demanding you keep it or be cursed.

Jesus said of the Pharisees in Matthew 15:9, “But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” If He were physically walking among us today, I am sure He would be saying much the same thing about these tithe-twisting pastors and teachers. They are teaching a man-made commandment as if it is decreed by God.

May God open the eyes of all who are hungry and thirsty for the truth.
Christianity EtcRe: Prophelying Prophets by MarkMiwerds(op): 9:52pm On May 09, 2015
Freciprocal:
Ok.

You can judge
right. We can judge. But, when we do judge it must be according to the Word of God. That is the Key. Righteous judgment is judgment as the Word of God would judge.
Christianity EtcRe: Prophelying Prophets by MarkMiwerds(op):
Freciprocal:
In John 7:24 jesus was speaking in the context of healing on the sabbath day.


Don't confuse choice with judgment. Judgement is of the lord. (Psalm 9:16)

The best way to tackle the above issue is to pray for these prophets and to reach out to them reminding them of the dangers of false prophesy and heresy.

Jeremiah 5:31 asks your question...

while Revelation 20:10 answers your question.

Hope this helps?
why warn of false prophets if one is not to judge? One would have to judge in order to ascertain another is a false prophet.

Read 1 Corinthians . The Church at Corinth had written to Paul because of problems in the Church. Did not Paul pass judgment? If I recall correctly, he told the saints at Corinth to "judge them that are within".
Christianity EtcRe: Prophelying Prophets by MarkMiwerds(op): 10:32am On May 09, 2015
John 7:24 (KJV) 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

How does one judge righteously? By comparing what a person does or how a person acts using the Word of God.

In Acts 20:28-29, the Apostle Paul admonishes the Elders at Ephesus to be on guard because wolves would rise from among them. How is one to be on guard without judging?

Do you not make a judgment when you stay inside because you sense danger outside? If you see a known murderer walk in your yard, do you not make a judgment to hide from this dangerous man?

There are times when judgment is both wise, and necessary.
Christianity EtcProphelying Prophets by MarkMiwerds(op):
Prophelying Prophets
by Ronald W Robey

Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
Jeremiah 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
Jeremiah 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jeremiah 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Jeremiah 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jeremiah 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;


We have heard many times, and many of us have repeated an old proverb, “Those who do not learn from History are doomed to repeat it.”

Today, in many Churches around the world, History is repeating itself. Just as there were prophets who were not called of, nor sent by, God in Jeremiah’s day, we have many who have taken the position of pastor, elder, bishop, apostle, and other titles and offices that God never appointed them to be in.

Notice the words of Jeremiah, “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
What were the prophets of Jeremiah’s day prophesying? They prophesied a vision of their own heart, and not that which the Lord had spoken. In other words, they spoke their opinions. They dismissed what God had decreed, and preached unto the people a way that seemed right unto them… and sadly, to the people they spoke the words seemed right as well.

This brought God’s wrath and judgment upon the nation of Israel. They had rejected God’s Word for the words of a lying prophet.
We see the same thing happening today. Men are standing behind, what is seen by many as a sacred desk,… the pulpit, and preach words that God never intended to be preached in the ears of the New Covenant Believer in Christ Jesus.

They were not sent by God to preach this word. Instead, they preach from opinion, … man’s opinion. And the congregation, the assembly, because they are not studying the Word, fall prey and victim to the lying lips of the prophet they have chosen to themselves.

Preach to us good things,” seems to be the cry of the congregation. We do not want to hear bad things.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall theyYou heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Many today would rather sit under the teaching of man’s opinion rather than under the Word of God. Why? Because the Word of God demands that the flesh be crucified. God wants man to submit to His will for man. But the man who can stand behind the pulpit and prophesy of good things, thangs that satisfy the flesh, he is acceptable in man’s sight. He has given them what they want to hear.

One doctrine that the lips of a preacher not sent by God will teach his congregation is the doctrine that God requires a monetary tithe. The preacher will quote Malachi 3:8-10, bringing the curse that was upon Israel and placing it upon the congregation. He will take the blessing out of Malachi and promise it to the assembled body. He will take the tithe that was required of the Priests of Israel in Malachi and demand that the people who hired him to be their spiritual leader give to him as their pastor.

But, as the prophets of Jeremiah 23 did, this preacher will preach his own opinion of what the passage says, instead of what God actually said.

They turn the blessing into job security, financial raise at place of employment, good health, a tight-knit family, vehicle that is protected from breaking down, etc. Anything but what God said the blessing was, i.e.; rain from the clouds to water the ground so that it could produce crops in such an abundance that other nations would take notice and admit that Israel was truly blessed of God.


They turn the curse of Malachi 3 into unemployment, financial ruin, medical emergencies, family fights and disappointments, mechanical problems with the family vehicle, etc.. Anything but what God declared the curse to be in His Holy Word, i.e.; draught to impede the growth of vegetation in the gardens and locusts to eat the crops.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

The children of God rejected the Word of God. They had the Word of God delivered by true prophets who spoke according to the Word of God. Yet, they rejected the true Word spoken by prophets sent by God and chose to walk according to a vision in the heart of a man not sent by God.

Those who are sent by God will speak according to God’s decree.

Today, many assemblies are destroyed for lack of knowledge. They will not open their Bibles and study to see God’s will for their lives. Instead, they listen to the man behind the sacred desk as he reads God’s Word and then proceeds to tell them his opinion, which they are to accept as fact.

It is not.

So many today are in financial ruin because they have yielded to the lie that God requires us to tithe our money to the Church. Many would rather lose their homes to foreclosure than to incur the wrath of God for disobeying His command to tithe. And because they do not read His holy Word properly, by submitting to the preacher’s doctrine of a monetary tithe requirement, they follow after the doctrine of man instead of the decree of God.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The pastor that teaches contrary to God’s Word, teaching his own opinion as if it were the commandment of God, is worshiping in vain. Those who follow after him are as blind as he is and both will fall in the ditch.

Wake up saints. God’s commanded tithe was not money. It was agricultural according to Leviticus 27:30-33. It was not for the New Testament Church, it was for Israel according to Leviticus 27:34. It was to be observed only once God’s children crossed Jordan River and entered Canaan, according to Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & 12:10-11. It was not to be observed on Gentile soil.

Are you agreeing with God? or with your pastor?

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Jeremiah 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Christianity EtcRe: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:14am On Apr 26, 2015
God never commanded monetary tithes in His Word. Monetary tithe teaching Pastors are thieves and the churches are their dens.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Should A Pastor Drive A 10 Million Naira Car? by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:29pm On Apr 23, 2015
I would not necessarily say these are "Americanisms". I have been to more churches in America than many others. Preached up and down the East Coast for eight years. Also have spoken on several occasions in the Southern States. Yet, out of all the churches I have ever preached at or spoken in, not one had people armed with weapons and wearing Kevlar vests.

Am I saying it doesn't happen here? No. It very well may. However, if it does, it is not the norm. Nor should it ever be present in our churches.

When last Jesus spoke to His Disciples prior to His crucifixion, He told Peter, "Put away thy sword". The sword, for the Believer, is not for violence. It is for display. But even then, not in the House of God. The House of God is to be a House of Prayer. If one is fearful of other men, that one should not be looking to weapons. He should be looking instead to God.
Christianity EtcRe: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 5:36pm On Apr 18, 2015
davinero:
this is nice, you really took tym to write all dis? I am not a religious freak so I won't want to sound spiritual here. That same bible you studied said u shud not despise d battering of brethren, do you also know you are a robber if u don't pay tithe, read abt Stephen and the other deacons, Paul etc u'll know DAT tithing and giving of offering is important. That's where the poor are suppose to feed from, I have seen churches pay students fees, supply food to the poor, involve in several community services. Pls don't just come here and put up things to discourage others. If u don't do it fine, just kip it to urself owk! And if wat u are saying is true then u wudnt nid all dis lng grammer to convince any1.
perhaps you should read the Bible yourself.


We are not robbers if we don't tithe. The command to tithe was given to the children of Israel. They were not to begin tithing until they entered the land God had promised their father Jacob. Their tithe was not to be observed outside the land of Canaan. God did not give the command to tithe to New Testament Believers living on Gentile soil.

There is absolutely no mention of the Deacons paying tithe or instructing others to tithe.
There is absolutely no mention of Stephen paying tithe or instructing others to tithe.
There is absolutely no mention of Paul paying tithe or instructing others to tithe.

The method of giving for the New Testament saints and faithful Brethren is giving with a cheerful heart. But that giving is not to be coerced, not to be dictated by others. We are told to choose for ourselves what we will give.
Christianity EtcRe: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 12:10am On Apr 11, 2015
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Christianity EtcRe: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:57am On Apr 09, 2015
Pastors lie. God never gave them authority to take 10% of people's money.

Christianity EtcRe: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:41am On Apr 09, 2015
RobinHez:
Brother!
1. The law wasn't given to Moses when Abraham payed his tithe to Melchizedek.
2. The law was meant for the jews, and even the jewish apostles still practized them.
3. God commanded that tithe should be payed so that there would be meat in His 'House'...that's where ur stinginess comes in; would God use someone without helping the person. How would u feel being a pastor and after God has used u mightily, u're hungry.
At a time God was angry with the levites because they left their duties to go and farm because the people had abandoned them.
Lastly, the Almighty God said it Himself (He's not a man that repents of what He said);That the first-fruit of our offsprings was His (try tracing Melchizedek)

Also, God never said we would be rich by paying tithe, but we both know what happens when we don't.
1. Abram's tithe was not of his own property. Nor was it of his household income. Nor was it of his own riches. It was of the spoils of war. (Gen. 14:16,18-20; Heb. 7:5) it was of property that Abram promised God he would not claim as his own. The phrase "to the victor belong the spoils" doesn't even apply here, because Abram promised God he would not keep any of the spoils. (Gen. 14:21ff)

2. The Law was indeed for the Jews. God never gave the Mosaic Law to Other nations. (Psa. 147:19-20; Acts 15:5,10,24,28-29; 21:23-25)

3. The command that tithes be brought to the storehouse was not to the New Testament Church. God, through the Prophet Malachi, was rebuking the Priests of Israel. He was not speaking to the children of Israel as a whole, but to the Priests. Notice:

Mal. 2:1. And now, O Ye Priests, this commandment is for you.

What commandment? If you read the rest of the Chapter, there is no commandment givEn in it. It is not until Chapter 3 that we see the commandment. Verse 7...

Return to Me.

God told the Priests that they were to return to Him.

They ask, How?

God answered... (Remember, He is speaking to the Priests...

Will a man Rob God? Yet, ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

The Priests had robbed God. And in robbing God, they had robbed the nation. They robbed the nation of God's protection and provision. God would not send rain until the stolen tithes were brought back into the storehouse.

To see how they robbed God, read Nehemiah 13:1-10.

What happens if we don't tithe? Absolutely nothing. The curse for not tithing was upon Israel. They were commanded to tithe, we weren't. Tell me, would you punish your child for not gathering eggs from the chicken house if you never instructed him to do so? Why would God punish His children for not doing something when He never instructed them to do it?

By the way, the tithes that God said to bring to the storehouse were agricultural, not money.
Christianity EtcRe: 6 Messages To The Church - Heaven Visitation by MarkMiwerds(m): 12:36am On Apr 03, 2015
Debeloved87:
FOURTH MESSAGE:
Tell My children, they must be obedient to give Tithes and Offerings,” said the Lord Jesus.

While Jesus was giving me this message, He said My child, look there He showed me beautiful houses which are ready for His children. My child, these houses are ready, I prepared for all My children that believe and are obedient to Me. Then He showed me incomplete houses. I asked Lord, why are these houses not yet completed? The Lord Jesus said My child, these houses belong to My children that are not generous giving tithe and offerings. These houses will be ready and completed after My children give more tithes and offerings in My House.
((Beware of false anti-tithing teachings that have tickled the ears and deceived many. You have been warned. Just obey God))
And there was war in Heaven: God opposed the Holy Spirit...

Wait a minute!! What Bible are you reading from? Where is that found in the Bible?

The answer my friends, is it is found, not in the Bible, but rather it is found in the pulpits of many Churches around the world today, as well in the homes of many misinformed Christians.

Oh, the preacher may not use those exact words. But he might as well use them. Those words are no different than the words he speaks when he tells his congregation that God requires them to tithe their money to the Church.
I have searched every instance of tithing where it is commanded in the Bible and, amazingly, I find the only people God ever commanded to tithe were those who lived in Israel.

At the Jerusalem Council in A.D. 51, (Acts 15) the Holy Ghost and the Apostles made a decision concerning what was required of the Gentile Believers.

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

"No greater burden than these necessary things." Tithing is not mentioned as one of those "necessary things."

When a pastor teaches his congregation that God requires a tithe of their money, when a family member teaches those in his household that God requires monetary tithes,that pastor and that family member is guilty of pitting God in opposition to the decision of the Holy Ghost in Acts 15.

Mark 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Yet, the Bible teaches us that God and His Holy Spirit are in agreement with one another.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Not once in the epistles is there any instruction given for Gentile Believers to tithe their money to the New Testament Church.

If the command is not in the Bible, we can come to no other conclusion than that it is a man-made command and not a God-ordained directive.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jesus Christ said of the Pharisees that their worship was in vain because of their teaching commandments of man as if they were of God. When we teach that God requires something today, we'd best have Scripture to support our teaching. Otherwise, we are as guilty as the Pharisees in Matthew 15.

Friends, be as the Bereans in Acts 17:11. Search the Scriptures to see if what I have written is in agreement with the Word of God. If you do a diligent study, you will find it is absolutely 100% in agreement. You will find that the one you are being obedient to by tithing your money is not God at all. Rather, it is obedience to the man who is teaching contrary to the decision of the Holy Ghost and the Apostles.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Should A Pastor Drive A 10 Million Naira Car? by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:51pm On Mar 10, 2015
Numbers 18:8-20 is not in reference to tithing. Those verses are speaking of Firstfruits. Firstfruits and tithes are not the same thing.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Should A Pastor Drive A 10 Million Naira Car? by MarkMiwerds(m): 3:53pm On Mar 10, 2015
hamilton62:
Let me throw more light on your reply.
This is only meant for those who read their bible daily and are christian though you might not be born again because when you study the word of God daily that shows that you know the efficacy of His word.
Read from the bible, Numbers 18:8-21 this place is titled in my KJV as "the Levites' portion"
Verse 12. Says: All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of wheat, the first fruits of them which they shall offer unto the Lord, them have I (God Almighty) given to you.
This was when God through Moses gave the Levites/ Men of God the inheritance they have now.

Question: Do you know the value of wheat then?
Wheat is the best of cereals and food then and the word of God didn't say any wheat but the best of wheat... I love being equipped by this world.

Question: why are offerings for priests or Levites?
Verse 8: And the Lord spake unto Aaron, behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, by an ordinance forever.
Verse 14: Everything devoted in Israel shall be thine.

Questions: Do you think you are the only one as congregation who pays tithe, the Levites/Men of God also do?
Verse 25-29: And the Lord spake unto Moses saying,
Thus speak unto the Levites and say unto them, when ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a tenth part of the tithe.....
28: thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Question: Do you think God needs your money? No! He doesn't
Psalm: 24:1 The earth is of the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Questions: Why do congregations give offerings , tithes etc? To be blessed by God
Proverbs 3:9-10; Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the first fruits of all thine increase:
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy press shall burst out with new wine.
Malachi 3:10; bring ye all thy tithes and offerings into the storehouse, and prove me now here with, saith the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The word of God is raw wisdom and apex in hierarchy of knowledge and understanding... Study and it shall be a buckler on your left hand and a double-edge sword on your right, so that you will stand against all odds...
God bless you all!
Thanks!
I love the Word of God!

Psalms 147:19 (KJV) 19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

Psalms 147:20 (KJV) 20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and [as for his] judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

At the time this Psalm was written, gentile nations had not yet known the statutes and ordinances given to the children of Israel. The Law was for Israel alone.

Acts 15:5 (KJV) 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

Flash forward to post-Pentecost. The year is AD 51. Religious leaders had gotten wind that Gentiles were placing their faith in Jesus Christ.

Acts 15:10 (KJV) 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter rebuked the leaders, telling them that their demands were tempting God.

Acts 15:24 (KJV) 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

James stated that the religious leaders were overthrowing the work that Christ had begun in the Gentile Believers. He said that the Apostles had not commanded they keep the Mosaic Law.

Acts 15:28 (KJV) 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Acts 15:29 (KJV) 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The Apostles AND the Holy Ghost decreed that Gentiles were only required to observe four necessary things. Tithing was not considered necessary, or it would have been in that list of necessities.

Acts 21:23 (KJV) 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

Acts 21:24 (KJV) 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave [their] heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but [that] thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

Acts 21:25 (KJV) 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written [and] concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from [things] offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Eight years later, AD 59, the Apostle James reminded Paul that Gentiles were not required to keep the Mosaic Law.

And, remarkably absent from the rest of the New Testament is instruction for tithes to be taken in a Church setting. But we do find one instance in Hebrews where there is a command for tithes to be taken...

Hebrews 7:5 (KJV) 5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV) 6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Hebrews 7:7 (KJV) 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

Hebrews 7:8 (KJV) 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Hebrews 7:9 (KJV) 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Hebrews 7:10 (KJV) 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Tithes were commanded, but not for the Church. Rather, they were commanded for the Levitic tribe in Israel... And that, according to the Law. The Law stated that God's tithes were to be agricultural, not monetary.

Yep, I love the Word of God!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Should A Pastor Drive A 10 Million Naira Car? by MarkMiwerds(m): 11:51pm On Mar 08, 2015
Jesus said in three of the Gospels that it was harder for a rich man to enter heaven than it was for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle.

Notice that He did not say it was impossible, only that it was harder.

But, the fact that He said it was harder should cause all who strive to be rich to pause and think the cost of being rich. Riches tend to steal the heart. And this is why Jesus said it was harder for a rich man to enter heaven... because a rich man could love his riches more than the God that allowed him to become rich. The riches become a god for many, and God said He is a jealous God and before Him there is no other.

For this reason, it is my belief that we should not strive to become rich. Riches themselves are not evil, but man's heart is deceitful above all else and desperately wicked. His own pride and lusts draw him away to temptations and away from God. If, at any time, you are making good money, and your heart seems to be wanting more and more, better and better, check which is most important in your life at that time, your money and material possessions gained from that money? or God?

The poor tend more toward a broken spirit and a contrite heart, that characteristic that God will not despise.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Should A Pastor Drive A 10 Million Naira Car? by MarkMiwerds(m): 11:32pm On Mar 08, 2015
1miccza:
Good question bro oya make una come answer ooo
according to the Biblical precedent set forth by Paul in Acts 20 & 2 Thessalonians 3, a pastor should have a job apart from his Church Body. Paul worked as a tent maker, so as to set an example for Church Elders to follow.

In the eight years I pastored, I worked, so as not to put a burden upon the congregation I was entrusted to lead in the things of God.

Tithes? Only the first couple weeks did I collect tithes. After doing studies in the Word, I discovered that the Church was not authorized to take tithes. I never took tithes in the remaining years of service. Needs were met and bills were paid through offerings given by the member's choices, not coerced percentages or dictated amounts. People gave out of love.
Christianity EtcRe: Sacrifice... Better Than Obedience? by MarkMiwerds(op): 3:06pm On Feb 26, 2015
Princewell2012:
@markmiwerd, this is a very good one, hope they will learn from this. God bless you. U see, there re differents between a prophet and a priest, malachi is a prophet whom God sent to reminds isreal of his law which they have abandoned, the duty of a prophet then, was to warn people (isreal) to returned to God by keeping his comandment, so the isrealites as a whole have abandoned the law of tithes, there4 God had to send a prophet to warn them. Because he (God) never undermine any of his law. Even when Jesus was still around phisically, the pharisees still obeys the laws of moses, sush as the case of the adultrous woman. But when Jesus died, those laws (ceremonial law) became obsolete.
thanks!
Christianity EtcRe: Nine Reasons Why You Should Tithe by MarkMiwerds(m):
robosky02:
1. Tithing – Precede the Old Testament.

While most people say tithe is an old testament practice I wish to point out that the tithing was instituted long before the Old Testament started.
Abraham was the first man to give tithe long before Moses came with the LAW.

For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having nither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually. Hebrews 7:1-3
Abram did tithe to Melchizedek.

However, you failed to tell the readers some important details about that event.

a) They were not Abram's household income, they were the spoils of war.
Hebrews 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

b) Abram promised God he would not take any of the spoils as his own property.

Genesis 14:22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Genesis 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

C). Abram's account in Genesis 14 is descriptive, not prescriptive.

Therefore, we can only conclude that what Abram tithed was not his own property, but rather it was the property of Bera, the king of Sodom.


2. Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

The Fulfillment of the Law MATTHEW 5:17
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

We are under grace but not at liberty to break the law. Or else adultery, stealing, killing will not be a sin in the New Testament since it was in the old testament law.

When Jesus meet the Pharisees he didn’t say don’t pay tithe rather he said this ye ought to do as much as……..
"Ye pay tithe…:these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone" (Matthew 23:23).
Let's look at Matthew 23:23 in its entirety instead of the prooftexting that you have demonstrated, shall we?

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

First off, who was Jesus speaking to? He was speaking to the scribes and Pharisees in Israel.

Second, why was Jesus telling them to tithe? Because, as children of Israel they were required by Law to tithe. (see Leviticus 27:30-33)
Jesus could not have told them not to tithe. The Law was still in effect. Had Jesus told them not to tithe, He would have been going against His Father's will. The children of Israel were required by the Mosaic Law to tithe.

Third, what were the Pharisees tithing? Jesus said it was mint, anise and cummin... agricultural produce. They were tithing exactly what the Law required. No wonder Jesus said it should be done... the Law said it had to be done.



3. Salvation is a free gift; but the blessings of God are based on conditions.

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Your interpretation of this scripture is poor. Let me lay a foundation

a) Note God has declared that he would bless Abraham and his seed thus establishing the ABRAHAMIC COVENANT.

“And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." Gen 12:2-3

I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, gen 26: 4

b) We (The gentiles) were never part of that covenant and could not access it

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." Gal 3:8

c) But when Jesus came he break the curse and became the link by which the Abrahamic covenant came come to the gentiles.

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.Gal 3:13
What Jesus did on the cross he BROKE the curse of the law and entitled us the gentile to access The ABRAHAMIC COVENANT (the blessings)
The only condition for our blessings from God are contingent upon our faith, not obedience to the man-made doctrine of the monetary tithe requirement.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Notice that word "freely"? It doesn't mean you have to tithe to get the blessings. We receive those blessings because of our faith in Christ Jesus.

4. Now the blessing of God is conditional:

It is based on your willingness and obedience. And I still repeat it paying tithe is not a force (so you can choose to keep your money heaven will NEVER go bankrupt because YOU didn’t give).
But if you want to walk in the blessing OBEDIENCE is the key.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 1:19-20
If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures. Job 36:11
Again, you run back to the Old Testament to prove your unScriptural monetary tithe doctrine. You say tithing started before the Old Testament Law, yet you, like all others of the false doctrine of the monetary tithe requirement, ultimately run back to a people under the Law to prove that which is not Law?

RoFL
Christianity EtcRe: Nine Reasons Why You Should Tithe by MarkMiwerds(m): 9:10pm On Feb 25, 2015
Robosky,

Is the thread about tithing? or giving? They are not the same.

I can give 30% of my food to a neighbor in need if I choose. But I could not give 30% as a tithe.

Why not? Because tithe was 10%. That's what tithe means... a tenth.

The Church was never commanded to tithe. We are, however, instructed to give.

You cannot produce one iota Scripture from the Holy Bible that tells Gentile Believers in Christ to tithe their money to the Church... not one! Nor can you produce a Scripture that tells Jews to tithe money to the Temple.

As long as you teach for doctrine the commandments of man, (the monetary tithe) your worship is in vain. (see Matthew 15:9)

It's just not there, no matter how many times you insist it is.
Christianity EtcRe: Nine Reasons Why You Should Tithe by MarkMiwerds(m): 8:10pm On Feb 22, 2015
The saved who do not tithe have no need to fear the curse of Malachi 3. (which is actually, the curse of Deuteronomy 28)

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

Rather, it is those who tithe who are under the curse.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Christianity EtcRe: Nine Reasons Why You Should Tithe by MarkMiwerds(m): 8:02pm On Feb 18, 2015
From my blog, boldproclaimer. :

"Do It By the Book"

God never commanded anyone in His Word to tithe money to a Church or a Temple. Yet, so many in Churches around the world today are lied to every time the offering plate is passed. “God requires you to tithe your money” is spoken from the pulpit. “If you don’t tithe, you are a God-robber! You are cursed!” Is often shouted to put the laity in a state of guilt and condemnation. Relax Saints of God… Fear not. God never authorized that pastor to speak those deceitful and unkind words to your ears.

Let’s examine the Scriptures and see what they say concerning
God’s commanded tithe, shall we? But first, let us visit two sons of Aaron at the Tabernacle…

Leviticus 10:1-2 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

In the above text, two of Aaron’s sons were struck dead because they offered “strange fire” to God upon the altar of the Lord. What exactly was this “strange fire” that they offered that so displeased the Lord? We are not told. But we are given a special insight as to how precise God wants our offerings to Him be. Nadab and Abihu had offered something that God had not commanded.

Now, one would think, “Hey, at least they were offering something to God. What wrong can be in that?” But God said they offered something that was not commanded.

A lesson should be learned by all from the reading of the account of Nadab and Abihu. That lesson is, “Do It By The Book”.

God has given us His Word as an instruction manual. This “manual” tells us what God expects of us as His dear children. If we are disobedient, God’s chastening hand will be upon us. It surely was upon Nadab and Abihu when they offered strange fire upon the altar. The manner in which we are to live is laid out for us in the New Testament section of the Holy Bible.

Now, please don’t go off on a tangent, saying I don’t like the Old Testament. I do. I cherish both the Old and the New. I read them both and learn from them both.

But the fact is, the New contains the pattern by which God wants us to live today. Hebrews 8 tells us that in AD 66 the Old Covenant was ready to pass away and that God was bringing us into a New Covenant. We cannot live in the Old Covenant promises, curses, edicts, laws, statutes, and ordinances. God doesn’t expect us to.

In AD 51, the Apostles met in Jerusalem with the religious leaders of the day. Their order of meeting was to discuss Gentiles who had been recently converted to faith in Christ. The religious leaders of Jerusalem were insisting that the Gentiles had to keep the Law of Moses or they could not be saved.

The Apostle Peter spoke before them all, rebuking them for placing a yoke upon the Gentile Brethren that neither the Jews of that day, nor their ancestors could keep themselves. Peter told them they were tempting God in their demands. The Apostle James said the religious leaders were overthrowing the souls of the Gentiles.

At the close of the meeting, James wrote a letter to the Gentile Believers and sent it to them by the hands of Paul and Barnabas, telling the Gentiles that the Apostles had given no such command that they keep the Law. He also sent Judas and Silas with the same words, but not written… they were to speak to the Gentiles, telling them that they were not commanded to keep the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law was part of an Old Covenant that was soon to pass away.

In many Churches around the world today, there is a doctrine being taught that could be called “strange fire”. That doctrine is the monetary tithe requirement doctrine.

Pastors will stand in their pulpits and preach from the Old Covenant the command to tithe that was given to Israel. But, they replace the tithe God commanded, an agricultural tithe, with a tithe consisting of money. It no longer is the tithe that God required of Israel. It has become “strange fire.”

No longer the agricultural tithe that was commanded by God for the children of Israel in Mount Sinai, (Leviticus 27:30-34) it is now a monetary tithe. No longer a tithe that was to be given to Levites, to widows, to orphans, to strangers in Israel, (Numbers18:21,24,26,28; Deuteronomy 14:22-29; Nehemiah 10:37-38) it is now given to pastors of Churches around the world.

The “tithes” were good when God had control of them, but modern-day Nadab’s, modern-day Abihu’s have turned them into a “strange fire” which God never commanded. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Many pastors today are tempting God and putting a yoke upon their congregations that God never authorized them to do.

Search the Scriptures. When you do, you will find that God’s holy tithe was never commanded for the New Testament Church, never carried to the New Testament Church, never collected in the New Testament Church, and never controlled by the New Testament Church.

Pastors would do well to set aside this sin of preaching a strange fire and offering it to God in the Sunday prayers. Seek out what the New Covenant says concerning the saved and their giving. They are not to be coerced into giving, they are not to be made to fear a curse from God. Rather, they should be taught to give simply because “they love Jesus.”

Teach them as the Apostle Paul taught the saints and brethren at the Church in Corinth… as they purpose in their hearts to give, give cheerfully and willingly God will be honored more by a loving offering than by “strange fire”

Do it by the Book

People, If you insist that God requires you to tithe, that you are being obedient to God and His Holy Word, at least have the decency and respect for God and His Holy Word to do it in accordance to what He has written in His Holy Word.

When you tithe, don’t take it to a Church in a Gentile land. God never commanded such. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and take it to the Promised Land. ( Deut. 12:1,10-11)

When you tithe, don’t give it to a Gentile preacher. God never commanded that. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and take it to the Levite, the widow, the orphan and the foreigner (which would include yourself) in the Promised Land. ( Deut 14:22-29 )

When you tithe, don’t tithe money. God never commanded such a tithe. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and tithe agricultural products that are grown in the Promised Land. (Leviticus 27:30-33)

If you insist on tithing, don’t tithe that which comes from Gentile hands on Gentile soil. God never commanded it. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and move to the Promised land Israel so you can cultivate the land and have the tithe that God required in the Mosaic Law.

But remember…
.Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

If you are not going to “Do It By The Book”, don’t try to convince me that you are being obedient to God in tithing. It is just the opposite… you are being rebellious to what He decreed concerning how His holy tithe was to be observed and kept.

Maybe it’s best you stop offending in that point of the Law and just submit to God’s will concerning your giving today.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7 But this [I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

God does not require tithe of your money. Instead, He wants you to give simply out of your love for Him.
Not as others dictate, but as you choose in your heart. Give with a willing heart; not because you have to, but because you want to… and He will be pleased.

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