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Good evening Brethren, the message "The Wonders of God's Grace" is forthcoming...

Isyncronizing time difference to be sure...

Arrived early. Will sit in the shadows and continue reading until my allotted time.

Blessings to all who have presented thus far.

Right near the 3,000 word mark.

Just checking in...

italo: Oh...I see.

You didn't read when someone called 1.4billion catholics and billions more of our ancestors "liars"

God save us from hypocrisy.

He needs to. But, He won't as long as you hold on to your relics and idolatry.

BabaGnoni,

I added more to that post to explain further just prior to your last post. You may want to read that and compare with the Word of God as well.

BabaGnoni: @ProphetUdeme(m), @MarkMiwerds

MarkMiwerds, good post...
here is to putting the records straight on:
"...It was not the children of Israel who had robbed God, but the Priests.
The Priests were the robbers of the storehouse tithe."
- MarkMiwerds

According to Malachi 3:3, OP or this thread actually meant the Levites as opposed to priests
- Malachi 3:3 NIV "He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites
and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness"
- the Levites give a tithe of tithes to the priests (i.e. the priests were Aaron and his sons or offspring)
- also the fact that all priests were Levites but not all Levites were priests (i.e. so referring to the Levites who were not priests)

BabaGnoni,

Thanks for the input. However, I do believe it is the priests that verses 7-12 are referring to. We must remember that the Aaronic Priests are also sons of Levi>

What I see in the Word is the children of Israel taking the tithe to the Levitic cities, (Neh 10:37-38 )
The Levites taking a tithe of the tithe to the storehouse (Neh 10:37-38)
But Eliashib the Priest had removed the tithes from the storehouse (Neh 13)
Those tithes were not brought back in, so were still seen to be "stolen" (Neh 13)

Eliashib was a priest during the time that Malachi was written. I am convinced that he didn't haul off those tithes on his own, but would have had help by other priests. I believe God was calling them to bring back those tithes.

Notice in Nehemiah 13...

Nehemiah 13:10 (KJV) And I perceived that the portions of the Levites had not been given them: for the Levites and the singers, that did the work, were fled every one to his field.

Notice the rebuke was not that the Levite had taken food out, but rather that their food, their sustenance, had been taken from them and the Levites, (not the Aaronic line of Levites, but their brethren) had not been given their portion. But notice, it was only Levites who were authorized to perform the duties of the Temple, sacrifices, burnt offerings, wave offerings, etc.. If the Levites had all returned to the field, and this included the Priests, who was Nehemiah rebuking at the Temple? LOL

It is clear that the Priests were there, for in Malachi 1, 2 & 3, we see God speaking to the Priests; rebuking them for offering sacrifices that were not acceptable and rebuking them for other practices as well. The Priests, sons of Levi, were there but the remainder of the Levitic staff had returned to the field for their sustenance.

We know their portion had been in the House of God previously, else Eliashib would not have been able to remove it as he did.

Again, I see the sons of Levi in Malachi 3:3 as the lower ministerial staff and not the Aaronic Priests

ProphetUdeme: Jesus says theyloved the praises of men more than the honour from God..
Op without knowledge will u receive the praised and congratulations from pastorkun or repent of ur heresy and be honoured by God and be dismissed by this evil lukewarm christians like pastorkun, frosbel and his satanic company

I do not believe Pastor was praising me. He simply was stating that what I wrote was brilliant.

PastorKun and frosbel satanic? Really? Please tell me how they are satanic? what have they said to make you think they are satanic?

italo: I see...

Jesus didn't mention "catholic" or "pope" yet you carry around the bible compiled by the Catholic church under Pope Damasus in 382.



I dont want to argue with non-entities, please.

And yet, here you are arguing with someone you deem to be a "non-entity".

Anyone else see the inconsistency? LOL

In 1 Samuel 15:22, we read:

And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Somehow, pastors in our pulpits across this great nation and around the world have begun teaching their congregations just the opposite… that sacrifice is better than obedience.

How can I say this? and from where do I draw this conclusion? From the pastors themselves, when they teach people to “Obey God, and tithe your money!”[/color] Let’s look at what the Scriptures say concerning tithes, shall we?

If one does a search for every instance where tithe is commanded in the Word of God, one will discover that each and every command was directed, [color=#550000]not to the New Testament Church, but to Israel. Here are a few references with brief explanations:

Lev 27:30-34 (God's holy tithe is described as agricultural, not money & is for the children of Israel)

Num 18:21-28 [/b]God said He gave His tithe to the Levite for their inheritance.

[b]Deut. 14:22-27 is a second tithe for the children of Israel. This tithe was to be eaten by the tither, his household, and the Levites. Note that this tithe could be sold for money if the way was too far or if the tithe was too heavy to carry to Jerusalem. (where God’s Tabernacle was and later where the Temple was) This tithe was observed every first, second, fourth,& fifth year in a seven year cycle.

Deut 14:28-29 is a third tithe often called the Poor tithe. It is kept in the tither’s city and used to feed the widows, orphans, Levites, and foreigner’s visiting the city. This tithe was observed every third and sixth year in a seven year cycle.

Lev. 25:3-8 Every seventh year, the land was to rest. There could be no sowing, nor reaping. This means that there was no crop tithe required, as it was impossible to tithe from crops that could not be harvested.

Deut. 12:1-11 is important. There, we read that the Israelites were not to begin tithing until they crossed over Jordan and entered the land that God had promised their father Jacob. (see Gen 28:13-15) This shows that God did not want tithes from Gentile soil. Verse 8 also tells us that man could not do what seemed right in his own eyes. This means that the tithe could not have been anything other than what God said it was to be…agricultural products. God’s commanded tithe was never money.

Malachi 3:6-12 Many pastors only begin reading at verse 8 which shows a command to bring the tithes to the storehouse. But verse 6 is important, as it shows who God was speaking to. It must be pointed out that the storehouse was not in any location other than the House of God, The Temple in Jerusalem.

Malachi was a contemporary of Nehemiah. In Nehemiah, we read that Eliashib the descendant of Aaron had emptied the storehouse of the tithes, firstfruits and holy things and moved the enemy of God ,Tobiah the Ammonite, into those chambers.

When rebuked for their evil, they were commanded to bring everything back to the storehouse chambers. Read the text carefully, because the Priests brought everything back but the tithes that they had stolen. Judah brought more tithes in, but the tithe that was stolen was not brought back.

And hence, Malachi’s rebuke to "bring ye all the tithes to the storehouse". It was not the children of Israel who had robbed God, but the Priests. The Priests were the robbers of the storehouse tithe.

Nehemiah 10:37-38 is important when studying tithes. God shows us there a few truths that many pastors do not want their congregations to hear. First, that tithes and firstfruits are not the same. The children of Israel were to take the firstfruits to the House of God and into the chambers. But the tithe, they were to take to the cities of their tillage, to the Levites, who, in turn, were required to bring a tithe of the tithe to the House of God, to the chambers. Shoots down the claim that tithe was off of the top.

That opens our eyes to another truth. That it was not 10% of Israel’s total produce that went to the House of God[/color]. Rather, it was only 1%. It was the tithe of the tithe that was taken to the House of God. It was the [color=#990000]ministers of the House of God that were required to tithe to the House of God, not the congregation.

Let’s read on…

We have already established the fact that God said it was the Israelites that were required to ‪#‎tithe‬. ( Leviticus 27:34 ) But notice Psalm 147:19-20 … the Laws that He gave to Israel were given to no other nation. Gentiles were not required to tithe.

Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 are often used to claim Jesus tells us to tithe. But again, who was He addressing? scribes and Pharisees, Israelites who were required to tithe. Jesus was simply telling them to keep the Law that was given to them. And what did He say they were ‪#‎tithing‬ and to continue tithing? Agricultural products, just as the law required. Had He been telling them to tithe money, He would have been going against the very command of His Father who said man could not do what seemed right in His own eyes. ( Deut 12:8 )

Flash forward to AD 51. At the Jerusalem Council, the religious leaders, Jews, heard that Salvation was being offered to Gentiles. James reveals in Acts 15:23-29 that those who tried to put Gentiles under the Mosaic Law were attempting to subvert or overthrow the souls of the Gentiles. Not good. The Apostles and the Holy Ghost made a decision that the Gentiles were not to be required to keep the Law, but were only to observe four necessary things. Tithing was not one of those “necessary things". Eight years later, James reminds Paul of the decision at the Jerusalem Council. Acts 21:24-25. The Gentiles were not to be required to keep the Law of Moses.

The last place that tithing is commanded is found in Hebrews 7:5-8. There, we read that it is not the Church commanded to take ‪#‎tithes‬. Rather, it is the sons of Levi. And the tithes they are commanded to take are to be from their brethren, (the tribes of Isreal) and “according to the Law”[/color] . As pointed out previously, the Law said that tithes were agricultural, not money.

So, you see, when one studies the Word of God, it is clear that the [color=#990000]Church was never commanded to tithe. The tithe command was given to ancient Israel and no other nation.

I encourage you to open your Bible, read the passages I have referred to and commented on. You will see what I have said is in perfect agreement with what Scripture says concerning tithing.

Since God’s Word says the Laws He gave to Israel were given to no other nation, aren’t pastor’s tempting God when they teach people that God requires tithes, a command found only in the House of the Law? ( see Acts 15:10 ) In light of these facts, it is clear that the pastor is not teaching one to be obedient to God, but rather to sacrifice their money on the altar of his false doctrine of the monetary tithe.

To teach people to submit to Malachi 3:10 by tithing is tantamount to instructing them to spend the night in the bed of a harlot.

Romans 7:1 (KJV) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Romans 7:2 (KJV) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Romans 7:3 (KJV) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Romans 7:4 (KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. #tithes

pay close attention to verses 3&4

DrummaBoy: I will keep you informed.

This privilege is for Miwerds alone pls.

Thank you.

DrummaBoy: [size=20pt] PROPOSED RULES FOR THE CONVENTION: For Presenters and Audience[/size]


1. Presentations should occupy only two posts with minimum of 2000 words and max 4000.

2. We encourage a neat presentation for ease of readability. If possible employing bold, italics, coloring and other nl editing features for aesthetics and enhance readership.

3. Presenters will be divided into three each for a day. Each presenter may state what time of each day is most convenient to make their posts.

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My Brother, I am open to at whatsoever time slot you choose for me to present my message on "The Wonder of God's Grace"

But please, take into consideration our time difference and send me a message on my Facebook account the morning that message is supposed to be delivered. I get confused with the time zones. I think (not entirely sure) it is a seven hour difference, with you being the first to see midnight of a day before I see midnight of the same day. I am on Central Standard Time in the United States.

The time will not matter to me, day or night, as long as I have enough advance notice that it is my day to present.

JesusisLord85: https://www.nairaland.com/1844692/cornelius-acts-10-hebrew-heathen

Some truths for the "blind guides" and vipers of this world

although I am blind, I am quite sure the link is not concerning me. So, I will not tell my PC to open the page.

Removed. Not in flow with the topic of Grace Convention

DrummaBoy: MarkMiwerds

Did you see my Facebook message?

My Brother, I received and heard the message, yes.

I have been working on a "Wonders of Grace" presentation that I can keep under the 4,000 word limit.

Thank you, Sir!

I understand what Goshen is saying as far as the length of a post shouldn't be too long.

My wife has said more than once that she will not read someone's post if it is too long.

It does tend to lose the reader's attention.

Breaking it up into several smaller posts does help, imo.

I don't see the posts, but I do hear them. And often, it is in my mind "Get to the point, please" when the post goes on for too long a time.

I am not sure what is lost between an actual assembly of Believers who are assembled to hear a message that may be 35,40, or even 50 minutes, and an online post that takes 20, mayby 25 minutes to read. But something is lost nevertheless. People do not care to read for great lengths but will listen to greater lengths. Maybe it is the eyes get tired.

My suggestion? leave the amount of words open and extend the number of posts with the thought that some may need to rest their eyes as Goshen has suggested.

I love to hear good preaching, so I wish it was some way to actually see and hear the person who is doing the presentatioin. 50 minutes would seem as if they were just a few. But Nairaland does not afford that luxury. LOL

OLAADEGBU: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, And to sees, as of many; but as of one, And to your seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that is should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise" (Galatians 3:16-18.)

Epic fail! The 430 years from the Abrahamic promise until the giving of the law to Moses which was again confirmed to Jacob as he and his family were leaving Canaan for Egypt (Genesis 46:1-4) could not be disannulled. So you can see that the Mosaic law cannot disannul what had been promised to Abraham and confirmed to Jacob who both paid tithes before this was sanctioned into the Law 430 later. Get your facts right.

the "Epic Fail" is on your part, Olaadegbu. The promises concerning Abraham had absolutely nothing to do with his once mentioned tithe of war spoils.

Nice try though. You may want to practice what you preach and "get your facts right."

OLAADEGBU: There are scriptures that buttress my point. Can you tell us where in Scriptures the Church is told that tithes and offerings have been abolished?

Hebrews 7:18 (KJV) 18 For there is verily a disannulling (canceling out) of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

What commandment was disannulled? The only commandment mentioned in this chapter up to this point is the command to take tithes.

8. (Grace 2): The wonders of God's Grace

DrummaBoy: Its an online convention. You are not required to travel. You participate in it right where you are via the internet/nairaland forum.

You have been nominated as a presenter this year. Do I accept the above as your accepting the nomination?

I accept the nomination.

alexleo: I vote for striktlymi as number 9.

Blessings. If this is an online convention, I will be more than happy to attend. If it requires travel, I will not be able unless God provides.

From my Blog, boldproclaimer.: (slightly tweaked)

Do It By The Book
by Ronald W Robey

Leviticus 10:1-2 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

In the above text, two of Aaron’s sons were struck dead because they offered “strange fire” to God upon the altar of the Lord. What exactly was this “strange fire” that they offered that so displeased the Lord? We are not told. But we are given a special insight as to how precise God wants our offerings to Him be.

Nadab and Abihu had offered something that God had not commanded. Now, one would think, “Hey, at least they were offering something to God. What wrong can be in that?” But God said they offered something that was not commanded.

A lesson should be learned by all from the reading of the account of Nadab and Abihu. That lesson is, “Do It By The Book”.

God has given us His Word as an instruction manual. This “manual” tells us what God expects of us as His dear children. If we are disobedient, God’s chastening hand will be upon us. Is surely was upon Nadab and Abihu when they offered strange fire upon the altar.

The manner in which we are to live is laid out for us in the New Testament section of the Holy Bible. Now, please don’t go off on a tangent, saying I don’t like the Old Testament. I do. I cherish both the Old and the New. I read them both and learn from the both.

But the fact is, the New contains the pattern by which God wants us to live today. Hebrews 8 tells us that in AD 66 the Old Covenant was ready to pass away and that God was bringing us into a New Covenant. We cannot live in the Old Covenant promises, curses, edicts, laws, statutes, and ordinances. God doesn’t expect us to.

In AD 51, the Apostles met in Jerusalem with the religious leaders of the day. Their order of meeting was to discuss Gentiles who had been recently converted to faith in Christ. The religious leaders of Jerusalem were insisting that the Gentiles had to keep the Law of Moses or they could not be saved.

Peter spoke before them all, rebuking them for placing a yoke upon the Gentile Brethren that neither the Jews of that day, nor their ancestors could keep themselves. Peter told them they were tempting God in their demands.

At the close of the meeting, the Apostle James wrote a letter to the Gentile Believers and sent it to them in the hands of Paul and Barnabas, telling the Gentiles that the Apostles had given no such command that they keep the Law. He also sent Judas and Silas with the same words, but not written… they were to speak to the Gentiles, telling them that they were not commanded to keep the Mosaic Law.

The Mosaic Law was part of an Old Covenant that was soon to pass away. It was given to the Israelites living in the promised land.

In many Churches around the world today, there is a doctrine being taught that could be called “strange fire”. That doctrine is the monetary tithe requirement doctrine. Pastors will stand in their pulpits and preach from the Old Covenant the command to tithe that was given to Israel. But, they replace the tithe God commanded, an agricultural tithe, with a tithe consisting of money. It no longer is the tithe that God required of Israel. It has become “strange fire.”

No longer the agricultural tithe that was commanded by God for the children of Israel in Mount Sinai, (Leviticus 27:30-34) it is now a monetary tithe.
No longer a tithe that was to be given to Levites, to widows, to orphans, to strangers in Israel, (Numbers 18:21,24,26,28; Deuteronomy 14:22-29; Nehemiah 10:37-38) it is now given to pastors of Churches around the world.

The “tithes” were good when God had control of them, but modern-day Nahab’s, modern-day Abihu’s have turned them into a “strange fire” which God never commanded. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Many pastors today are tempting God and putting a yoke upon their congregations that God never authorized them to do. Search the Scriptures. When you do, you will find that God’s holy tithe was never carried to the Church, never commanded of the Church, and never controlled by the Church.

Pastors would do well to set aside this sin of preaching a strange fire and offering it to God in the Sunday prayers. Seek out what the New Covenant says concerning the saved and their giving. They are not to be coerced into giving, they are not to be made to fear a curse from God. Rather, they should be taught to give simply because “they love Jesus.” Teach them as the Apostle Paul taught the saints and brethren at the Church in Corinth… as they purpose in their hearts to give, give cheerfully and willingly God will be honored more by a loving offering than by “strange fire”

Do it by the Book

People, If you insist that God requires you to tithe, that you are being obedient to God and His Holy Word, at least have the decency and respect for God and His Holy Word to do it in accordance to what He has written in His Holy Word.

When you tithe, don’t take it to a Church in a Gentile land. God never commanded such. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and take it to the Promised Land. ( Deut. 12:1,10-11 )

When you tithe, don’t give it to a Gentile preacher. God never commanded that. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and take it to the Levite, the widow, the orphan and the stranger (which would include yourself) in the Promised Land. ( Deut 14:22-29 )

When you tithe, don’t tithe money. God never commanded such a tithe. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and tithe agricultural products that are grown in the Promised Land. ( Leviticus 27:30-33)

If you insist on tithing, don’t tithe that which comes from Gentile hands on Gentile soil. God never commanded it. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and move to the Promised land Israel so you can cultivate the land and have the tithe that God required in the Mosaic Law.

But remember…

.Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

If you are not going to “Do It By The Book”, don’t try to convince me that you are being obedient to God in tithing. It is just the opposite… you are being rebellious to what He had stated concerning how His Holy tithe was to be observed and kept.

feedthenation: Your points are well structured.
It's amazing how most of our churches where tithing are preached don't offer the 7-year 'tithing time-off' reprieval as shown in the bolded statement.

They also don't give the tither the option to keep part of the tithe for him and his family as Deuteronomy 14:22-27 reveals was to be done.

Thank you.

For those who continue to insist on branding me as being against tithing, I make the following statement...


If a Gentile Christian insists that tithing is required, I believe it should be done according to the way that God ordained it to be done.

If a Gentile wants to tithe, he should move to Israel Deuteronomy 12:8 where God's Word said tithing is to be done Deuteronomy 12:1-18 He should purchase land in Israel on which he can farm or raise livestock and tithe from the increase of such. Leviticus 27:30-33 He should take the firstfruits annually from his crops and livestock annually to the Temple in Jerusalem Nehemiah 10:37-38 (good luck finding that) and his tithes annually to one of 48 Levitic cities scattered throughout Israel Numbers 35:1-8 to give to the Levites living in those cities. Numbers 18:21-28; Nehemiah 10:37-38

The Gentile living in Israel should also take a second tithe annually to Jerusalem to the Feast of Weeks and eat that tithe with his family and with the Levites Deuteronomy 14:22-27 And every three years, the Gentile living in Israel should keep the tithe on his own property to feed the widows, orphans and foreigners of his community there in Israel with the tithe for that year Deuteronomy 14:28-29

The Gentile living in Israel will get a full one year reprieve from tithing his crops every seven years as he will not be able to harvest, nor sow his fields. Leviticus 25:4

If the Gentile is willing to do it God's way, Deuteronomy 12:8 I have no problem with it. LOL

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The Gentile that chooses to tithe according to God's Word should not teach Gentiles living in other nations that they are required to tithe Psalm 147:19-20; Acts 15:10,23-29

@Image123
Your points are recycled and not really needed to ponder on. They add nothing to me. Here is the sure Word of God of value which i'd rather ponder on.

Psalms 147:19 (KJV) 19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

Psalms 147:20 (KJV) 20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and [as for his] judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

Acts 15:10 (KJV) 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:23 (KJV) 23 And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

Acts 15:24 (KJV) 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

Acts 15:25 (KJV) 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

Acts 15:26 (KJV) 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 15:27 (KJV) 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell [you] the same things by mouth.

Acts 15:28 (KJV) 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Acts 15:29 (KJV) 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 15:30 (KJV) 30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:

Acts 15:31 (KJV) 31 [Which] when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

Acts 15:32 (KJV) 32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed [them].

God has spoken to us by His Word, and His Word said the Commands He gave to Israel were not for Gentile nations. So much for the claim that "Jesus said we should tithe." I'd ponder on that. I hope you or any of the subverters of souls don't reply, as i'm not interested in running in circles. I already know your next line of argument.

trustman: POINTS TO PONDER FOR: OLAADEGBU, Image123, Bidam & Co

Today’s Tithing – A Fraudulent Ponzi Scheme (Apologies Frosbel)

When questions are asked and they are ignored or answered with ‘this has been answered before’ even when a simple one sentence answer will do, it is a pointer to the fact that the person actually admits that what the questioner is raising IS TRUE but he is REFUSING TO ADMIT that a better position has been given.

The following cannot be ignored by tithers:
- Those who preach it TODAY largely resort to Malachi 3.
- Malachi 3 has its basis in the Law of Moses.
- How the Law of Moses (which Malachi 3 referred to) prescribed that the tithe be observed IS NOT FOLLOWED BY THOSE WHO PREACH TITHING TODAY.
- Those who preach it today have for some STRANGE reasons MODIFIED how tithing should be done today WITHOUT ANY SCRIPTURAL BACKING.
- In other words, there is NO BIBLICAL BASIS for what those who practice tithing today go about it.
- Those who insist on COMPULSORY TITHE today have refused to ACCEPT that there is sufficient information for how the New Testament believer is to give.
- Those who insist on compulsory tithe today ONLY HOLD ON TO Malachi 3 and Abraham’s tithe as the justification for what they do (of course, plus ‘testimonies’, visions, etc) while REFUSING TO DO OTHER THINGS prescribed by the same LAW OF MOSES or other practices found in the Old Testament.
- They have therefore bought into the LIE of those who claim ‘God told them’ fresh things or ‘God gave them’ fresh understanding of Malachi 3 on how to tithe, what the storehouse is today, etc.
- Also those who hold on to tithing today cannot clearly show from the Bible how the tithing they practice TODAY (emphasis on today) came about.
- That is why they resort to claiming that since NT writers referred to the OT then it is right for them (even where the NT writers did not clearly say so) to go back to the Old for any practice and ‘adapt’ it for use today.
- They shift between COMPULSORY and VOLUNTARY for the reason that they do not want to admit what the NT stands for when it comes to tithing but want to SATISFY THEIR CONSCIENCES on what they have accepted from their MoG so that ‘perchance’ if God brings it up on the last day they will be able to hold up a scorecard to God that they have not defaulted.

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After a while OLAADEGBU ‘disappears’ and posts other unrelated issues.

Now, what can any sane person make of this? Delusion at work? Has Christianity now veered off into the realm of mysticism that somehow ‘imparts’ knowledge mysteriously? Or do things only to avoid divine retribution?

Anyone who claims that Malachi 3 is binding on the Church must understand that Malachi 3 DOES NOT STAND ALONE. It draws from the original instructions by God on tithing. Do those ones who use Malachi 3 today even know and understand what God’s original prescriptions were? I doubt that they do. To the extent that they don’t, they cannot even apply it correctly today.
We end up then with followers who are perpetually scammed and preachers and organizations that end up fleecing the sheep in the greatest Ponzi scheme in the church today.

in their insistence that they can tithe money, using Malachi 3 in their argument, tithers are in reality... offending God.

How are they offending God? By using the Law to justify a tithe found nowhere in the Law.

James 2:10 (KJV) 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

They offend in that they use the Law of tithing, but their tithe is not according to the Law .

Bidam: Are you then calling the God of Abraham a pagan when he was called out of that setting?
The bible does not have to give what you don't need my brother except you want to start putting extra ideas of yours from alien books into biblical accounts.
Forget stories. Did Abraham tithe to Melchizedek or not? Are you following the bible or myths and fables that clearly is not your concern here?
i don't need to help my self in what clearly doesn't concerns me. But my advise to you is to help your self by walking in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham walked and who through faith and patience obtained the promises because he obeyed.

you accuse shdemi of adding ideas, but isn't it true that you are guilty of this? Spirit of the Law is not in the Bible, yet you teach it. Tithe is a principle is not in the Bible, yet you teach it.

Is it only Bidam who is allowed to teach that which the Bible omits? smh

shdemidemi: Could the solution to this problem be that we put people under spurious fears to get theirs?



Paul only made a statement, he never put anyone who do not heed under any curse of any law whatsoever, or did he?

shdemidemi: Could the solution to this problem be that we put people under spurious fears to get theirs?



Paul only made a statement, he never put anyone who do not heed under any curse of any law whatsoever, or did he?

also Paul did not tell the Corinthian Church to "give above their means", Contrary to what the tithe pusher would have you to believe.

2 Corinthians 8:12 (KJV) 12 For if there be first a willing mind, [it is] accepted according to that a man hath, [and] not according to that he hath not.

2 Corinthians 8:13 (KJV) 13 For [I mean] not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

Giving above their means would certainly burden them. And Paul said his intention was not to burden them.

Bidam is not interested in the financial welfare of the people of the congregation, heis all for making the pastor richer.

trustman: Sincerely, I do hope you're not living in self-deception of some sort. What do you stand for - what the Bible says or what devotionals and maybe your heroes give you?

he does post a lot of devotionals that contradict God's Word, doesn't he?