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proeast:
Hahaha, very typical. They will ask for facts, but when you provide it, they turn around and call it speculation.

Someone, I mean a Yoruba elder who was there when it happened narrated the events and even mentioned names of the culprits who were alive then! Did they challenge him or deny it? No!

But this one is here asking for the autopsy to be brought to him before he will accept the truth. SMH!!

oga wait let me help you, i agree totally they all commited suicide, happy now.

Now back to the topic of the thread you wrote and all the lies you posted.

How can a finance minister that resigned in 1971 promulgated a decree in 1972 please proof it.

proeast:
Don't get it twisted.
The aim of the thread is to inform Nigerians, especially the younger generation about why and how Nigeria was reduced to its present sorry state.

with your lies, liar.

proeast:
Utter denial in the face of hard facts!
Changing of goal posts!

Well, whether you accept or not, truth and facts are stubborn and will always come back to haunt you.

please can you restate the facts you talking about? Is it the indegenization decree? Or the rumors about how some people died?

Which fact are you talking about please?

proeast:
Hahaha, very typical. They will ask for facts, but when you provide it, they turn around and call it speculation.

Someone, I mean a Yoruba elder who was there when it happened narrated the events and even mentioned names of the culprits who were alive then! Did they challenge him or deny it? No!

But this one is here asking for the autopsy to be brought to him before he will accept the truth. SMH!!

the man you quoting has been debunked so many times,, he is irrelevant, leave that topic, ok let me help you lets agree they commit suicide, happy now? You win.

Lets face your topic that you formulated lies about the purpose of this thread.

Fleshly:
Hmm proeast nah man you be!! Only you engaged these bitter demonic Afonja souls and bet them down. Bro, you've made us proud. Please don't stop making the afonjas to tremble in their covens - they think that they can still manipulate the media in their favour, as the they used to do before, unfortunately they are realizing that times are different.

We will continue to make them sorry for being wicked.

you are welcome to the party, why wont you jubilate on your lying brother, we given him facts to answer he cant he wont he dare not, facts from his own post.

He said awo indegenization decree in 1972,meanwhile the man resigned as finance minister January 1971,he should stop lying.

proeast:
Well, it may not be a pallatable news to you, but the guy you quoted is actually right.

if this is the purpose of your post, sorry is your case... Face the contents of your post, its not an establish facts from any medical personnel that Awo or Akintola committed suicide.

proeast:
Stop reveling in ignorance.
Check the facts above, these were facts released by your brothers

i don't dwell on speculations, i was not there when Awolowo or Akintola died, nor do i have their autopsy results to know the cause of their deaths, if you have it kindly provide it.
What your post is about is what we can all verify with facts, we have given you facts to your erroneous misleading post counter it with facts not speculations or rumors that is not verifiable.

RuudVanNisteroy:
The presidential jet was not made to be used to convey APC members for partisan campaign in Edo state or to be used for owambe by a Minister's children and their friends.

exactly what i said.. This is totally wrong.

deltateam:
If he wants them to.


Sasha and Maya flew Airforce1.

without the president? When show proof.

[quote author=wwwihy post=93858059]Cry cry Wailer

You think is only one plane in the Presidential Fleet?

Make your research and change your title before you wail[/quote]please try and get sense its not difficult, have you ever seen where the airforce one was used for all this kind of thing? Are there not other private jets available again in the country where they can use government money to pay for as usual, why will the kano state governor use the presidential jet for party purposes? Why should the AGF use the presidential Jet for ownabe?

Lets be objective and leave sentiments aside please, call a spade a spade, the presidential fleet is strictly for the president and his vice no one else oga.

Its better they work together, to recognize this guy has leader of APC in lagos is disservice to Igbokwe and ken Akabueze former commissioner of finance in lagos, the highest office an Igbo man ever held in the state, but from the way the gentleman talks i think he has a sense of reasoning, they can work together forge a formidable leadership in lagos, no one can disregard the second most populous ethnic group in the state, the Igbos, and i as a Yoruba man and a lagos indigene truly think they deserve most seat in Lagos executive cabinet, we must be cosmopolitan in Lagos governance, everyone must be carry along for the prosperity of the state.

So if you living in a country where there is no river that means you doomed from birth abi? Thank your stars you dodged a bullet.

anigbajumo:
Awolowo committed a suicide
Ladoke Akintola same thing...

I don't know the kind of myopic thinking and the level bitterness runs in ur blood, who tells you all these nonsense?? You can never see a hausa man saying all this rubbish that's why no reasonable tribe can team up with u people, u guys is just full of hatred.... See the way u quoted the guy with confidence as if they committed suicide in your ancestral land or in your sitting room... You guys seriously need to change the way of ur life.

lolzzzz. Suicide is the most important thing to them, i guess if i shit now av committed suicide...most igbos are not like this please dont let us get it wrong, its just some bitter ones that wont get over things and move on.

proeast:
Same old tribalism we are talking about. What is wrong in Zik aspiring to a political position in the West? Is West not part of Nigeria? Is Zik not a Nigerian?

Obama was originally from Kenya but eventually became United States president. Nigerians are being elected into positions in UK, Canada etc but a fellow Nigerian was discriminated against and denied being elected based on tribalism.

You can see the report a Yoruba man wrote about what transpired during the 1951 elections.

we yorubas voted for Zik in yaba... So nothing wrong in him aspiring, you guys also voted for a hausa man in enugu to be a councilor or a mayor i can't remember, my point is after 70 years we are not here crying about it, today any Nigerian can aspire to be anything he wants anywhere in Nigeria so far people vote for him.

proeast:
You missed the point of sending the attachment. It was to show that Awolowo was still influencing policies as at 1972. Again, the Indignization decree only took effect in 1972, does it mean the idea also came into effect that same moment it was implemented? The idea must have been brought forward much earlier!!

can you please show us fact and proof where Awolowo mooted the idea of indigenization prior to 1972, because he resigned in 1971, thank God you ve conceded to that, so where is the proof Awo mooted the idea you claiming yorubas used to disadvantage the igbos.. Show us.

DerideGull:
Please read books not craps you lifted from Internet. The bolded showed you know absolute nothing about what you would want us to believe as facts. Eyo Ita did not know where Nigerian Youth Movement (NYM) was formed.

oga quote one book for me please? Let me read i dont lift craps for internet, just name the book please, thank you.

T9ksy:
NYM was not zik's party. It was formed in 1934 as Lagos Youth Movement by J.C. Vaughn, Ernest Ikoli, H.O. Davies, and Samuel Akinsanya Whilst zik was still in accra. Zik joined the NYM in 1937 when he returned to nigeria. At that time, the NYM was already the main political party in the country and held all the legislative council seats in lagos.

However, zik left the NYM with his fellow ibo people (and Akinsanya's followers) amkid the spurious claim of tribalism which eventually led to the death of the party.

thank you, those liars are relentless.

DerideGull:
I really do not understand why certain cretins in Nigeria love to make fool of themselves publicly. Herbert Macaulay was invited by Azikiwe to join the factional NYM and trade unions which were in the process to form NCNC. The party NCNC was not formed by Nigerians alone hence National Council of Nigeria and Cameroons. Macaulay's NNDP had been rendered useless by NYM in the Lagos Legislative Council election and party ceased to exist as a political party.

Your # 3 is arrant nonsense!! The only two parties with national posture to stand election were AG and NCNC. The mushroom parties were only allowed to contest election under the umbrella and manifesto of a party with national coverage. Zik was the national president of NCNC but leader of NCNC in western region was Gbadamosi Adegoke Adelabu. If you are in doubt of what transpired in western region during the wee hours of 1951, I urge you to read the biography of Gbadamosi Adegoke Adelabu not craps and propaganda vomited by partisan Yoruba people.

who made adelabu the political leader of NCNC in 1951?.
He was the leader of opposition in the house of assembly in 1957 died 1958.

CAN YOU please go back yo your history books please, you talking about penkelemesi..

If you you say the othe parties are mushrooms and not nationalistic, that means NPC was a mushroom party abi, because you quoted my no 3 which submissions was nationalistic.
If you want to make it western region which Zik was leading the NCNC after the demise of the yoruba leader Macaulay, and the yorubas in it followed him Zik till the end and were loyal until he abandoned them to be premier in the east.
It was the Ibadan community party that went into coalition with AG, they were natural allies of NCNC because they won few seats NCNC didn't give them any favorable cabinet position Ag gave them and a coalition was formed, how is that a betrayal? Same thing happened in uk lately.

DerideGull:
I really do not understand why certain cretins in Nigeria love to make fool of themselves publicly. Herbert Macaulay was invited by Azikiwe to join the factional NYM and trade unions which in the process to NCNC. The party NCNC was not formed by Nigerians alone hence National Council of Nigeria and Cameroons. Macaulay's NNDP had been rendered useless by NYM in the Lagos Legislative Council election and party ceased to exist as a political party.

here comes another liar.

No 1..NYM you quoted was formed by Eyo ita.
How can you be a factional head of NYM and you "invited someone to come and be a founder of a party? Doesn't make sense oga.. Stop lying.

No2 majority of NYM members were Yorubas,although it was formed by Eyo Ita, Samuel akisanya, Ernest ikoli,kofo abayomi was the first president of NYM, at no point was Zik ever the president nor to invite Macaulay to form NCNC,

No3, Awo, Zik, Akintola were all members of NYM at the same time.

No 4 the first political party in Nigeria was NNDP
After which the party was defeated, by NYM in lagos council, mind you, Zik was never the leader of NYM, Macaulay later formed NCNC with zik the party secretary.

chrisblack:
what do you even understand by the indigenization decree. Many of you just go on shouting about things you know nothing about. Twisting facts.Bringing up stories to suit your narratives.Since independence there As been a clamour for the shit in ownership of economic power from the colonialists to Nigerians.Despite been freed Nigeria was still economically colonized.Go back an read your history proper.

NEPC 1972. NEPC decree of 1972 was a legislation to effect changes in the ownership structure of light industries such as retail and small scale businesses. ... A new bank, the Nigerian bank of Commerce and Industry came into existence to facilitate loans to Nigerians for the purpose of investing in foreign owned firms.
Even the Government full implementation of the law was more pronounced during obasanjos era as head of state. You can check the New York times take on the issue https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/30/archives/nigerias-indigenization-policy-under-fire.html
During this time it was not only Nigeria that was involved in this process.Many freed african countries had their own from outright nationalization to indigenization.Nigeria chooses that part because it believed 40% ownership was fair to the Foreigner.even today many of you shouting are the first to ask for control in your own local domain.it takes various toga like resource control. It's same. Re writing history to suit your lies is a waste of time. During the indigenization period many Nigerians including the easterners jubilated and bought into it. Please I don't need to tell you to stop propagating your lies. The truth is it will fetch you nothing

thank you

paulolee:
both are trash, google any j cole or passenger lyrics and you would see reasons with me..
modified...same people dt are quoting me, sayin am talking down on my country musicians because i choose not to listen to mediocre musics all have European clubs they do support and av never been in any of our stadium to watch local football....hypocrites..

most d. U. M. B. Analogy i have ever read you just post, you comparing a local league to local music, have you ever seen a foreign footballer watching our local football league in out local stadiums?

Thats me turning your logic analogy on your head

I have seen several international stars dancing to our local musician songs, in the club, at work, in the gym any where just vibing to it naturally because they are enjoying it and its trending everywhere all over the world.

T9ksy:
They are genetically wired with the morality of an alley cat hence they spew gibberish, effortlessly.

i pray for them honestly... But i bet its only a few of them that has this mindset tho, we must make it loud to themYorubas don't care and holds no grudges against anyone live and lets live.

proeast:
So all you could come up with is the emotional drivels??
Go and read about the Indignization decree and facts surrounding it then come back and quote me.

Meanwhile look at the attached file for some heads up.

mention one paragraph in the article you posted that mentioned indigenization,
Or you cant comprehend English language again?

Just one Paragraph

Just because you saw the name Awolowo in the article who was by the way debating the type of government Nigeria should have after military rule as a private citizen, you qouted the article without reading the content, mention one paragraph with the word indigenization.

DerideGull:
Point of correction. Samuel Ladoke Akintola committed suicide. Isaac Adaka Boro was killed by a Yari.ba egocentric loudmouth. Sardauna and wife were killed by one of them.


Do you have slightest fact about the circumstances surrounding the death of above mentioned characters?

I don't respond to broken records please.

T9ksy:
Hell NO!!! The word "shame" is an alien concept in his part of the world.

lolzzz i just cant understand why someone will wake up in the morning and formulate lies, its amazing.

proeast:
I hate blind argument. I know you guys are just arguing blindly because the truth is too bitter to accept, especially to people who lacks the maturity that comes with honesty.

Pls go through the excerpt I attached below, it is a New York Times publication that was released in the 1970's.

please you said 1972 be specific, which year in the 70s, you said Awo caused it, we just told you he became a private citizen in January 1971, thats been specific, 1970s is too vague and broad, which year is your article talking about?

You should be the one to be honest with yourself, be specific.

And from your article can you read that the banks were sold to the federal government? Through the CBN? No Nigerian owned a bank in the 70s,80s...not until the 90s their shares was sold to the general public. Or you cant comprehend what you posted?

Cos you claimed the yorubas took over the banks in the 70s and ran it aground.

T9ksy:
Abegi, produce the election result that shows clearly that the said NCNC, won the premiership election in western nigeria in 1951 or else just shut the phock up,

Why are you ibos still wailing 7 decades after the fact that the yorubas didn't allowed their main enemy to be in charge of their political affairs?

Why didn't the "omo ibo" that was born in the north attempt to became premier where he was born?

Was it not "tribalism" that would make an ibo man contemplate been in charge of his rival's region?

no mind him... We are ready for the liars today.

proeast:
So all you could come up with is the emotional drivels??
Go and read about the Indignization decree and facts surrounding it then come back and quote me.

Meanwhile look at the attached file for some heads up.

i have read this article you posted to anoter poster before, now that you have posted it to me, i guess you your self have not read what you posted or you can't comprehend English grammar.
Let me help you to decipher or summarize what that article is saying, that article was talking about constitution review in 1972,it mentioned Awolowo im his capacity has a regional Ethnic leader, not as a Government official, which he was no more as at 1972,he resigned January 1971 and became a private citizen, the decree you postulating was promulgate in 1972 Awolowo was a private citizen then,read your article well before you post please, the article talked more about census if not anything, no where in that article did it say Awolowo suggested or implemented indigenization.

proeast:
Lol, funny people. At the first bold part, your assertion is quite ridiculous to say the least. Do you even know that during colonial times, most Nigerians were just illiterate farmers, hunters, petty traders and other basic vocations. So anyone who was working with the British either as Messengers or interpreters were relatively highly regarded. These were highly sought after jobs but the British would only employ those that are competent which made most of those jobs to be taken by Igbos. These set of people will eventually form bulk of the elite and their children ended up being educated and enlightened.

The second bold part is another indictment on Awolowo. Ziks party, the NCNC won a majority in the Western region. Zik as the leader of the party was naturally expected to become the premier of the Western region. Remember that at this same period in the East, an Ibibio man, I think his name is Eyo Ita, was also about to become the premier of Eastern region where Igbos are the overwhelming majority. What did Awo did? Instead of accepting that his party did not win enough seats for him to be the premier of Western region, he resorted to tribalism. This was actually how tribalism and ethnocentrism became a major criteria for one to qualify for any political position. Awo called a meeting of his people and told them that Zik is omo Igbo and shouldn't be allowed to become their premier. This was how the infamous cross-carpeting of Yoruba NCNC to AG occurred. If Zik was allowed to become the Western premier and Eyo Ita as premier of Eastern region, today, all these tribalism that has rubbished our claim as a nation wouldn't have taken hold.

Lastly, you said that Buhari has shown that anyone can become president without Igbo support. Well, yes, I agree with you but also remember that anyone can become president without Yoruba support. All the North needs to do to win any election is to either team up with Igbos or Yorubas. So, your point here too is baseless.

stop turning history upside-down, trying to re write your own online, internet never forget,

No1 NCNC was founded by a Yoruba man Herbert Macaulay, its not Zik party.
NCNC is as much a yoruba party than any other region party in the South, the Oba of lagos was a staunch supporter as well as many others, after Herbert Died Zik who was the second in command took over.

No2 Awo and Herbert Macaulay had no love lost relationship with themselves till he died, Awo had nothing personal with Zik.. He founded his own party Macaulay NCNC and Awo's AG already had political issues before Zik came to the scene.

No 3 no one cross carpeted from NCNC to AG.
None of the two popular party could could form a government with the number of seats they won, only a "coalition" could form a government, it was a parliament and to form a government there is a number of seats a party must win in parliament, Awo'AG and Zik's NCNC didn't win the required seat, AG formed "coalition" with a small party and got the required seat to form government, please how is that a betrayal? ZIK did the same thing on the national level when he formed coalition government with the hausa/Fulani party, did anyone cried betrayal?

No4, no one stopped zik from becoming premiere in the most richest region in the country, he lost out in politics, you forgot Zik betrayed his constituents in Yaba lagos who are mostly Yorubas who voted for him, he abandoned the mandate they gave him, went to the east, made igbo in parliament to make Eyo Ettah to give up his seat, a member from onitsha had to give up his seat too for Zik to be a member of Eastern parliament and subsequently be elected the premier, all the history are at the national archive.

You cant rewrite history, stop lying we wont stop exposing you, no one is perfect, no tribe is perfect but stop lying, its not good for your health.

proeast:
So many companies and brands were mentioned so why pick out only one?
What about former Barclays Bank and several others?

oga all banks were owned either by regional governments or federal governments, Barclay's bank, now union bank was never owned by any Yoruba man but by FG until recently its shares like that of 1st bank was sold to the public in 2000s.stop lying go and read your book, the archives are there.

Dedetwo:
Point of correction. Samuel Ladoke Akintola committed suicide. Isaac Adaka Boro was killed by a Yari.ba egocentric loudmouth. Sardauna and wife were killed by one of them.

you lie too much, are you not ashamed?

I don't have the time to be stating you the author blatant lies, 1st you said the indigenization decree was 1972 right? Are you aware Awolowo resigned as finance minister in 1971? You said wema bank was owned by the British how? When, I can count five companies you stated that were founded by Nigerian not foreigners.

Stop lying to your kids against people who did nothing wrong to you, its on records that yorubas kept your fathers houses for you in lagos, ogún and Ibadan after the Civil war, dont repay good with evil the Bible preached against it, try and make heaven, even the Bible you read in your language was written by a yoruba man.