₦airaland Forum

LabDNA:
The case in bayelsa is a clear case of 'No ti Godfatherism' just as Imo people kicked out Rochas and his stooges. Godfathers hardly survive in the SESS region.

The North is re-aligning with SESS, that's why PDP is succeeding in Sokoto and Zamfara.

you guys and conspiracy theories... Its very amusing... Now you ve accepted the North right?

Àwọn werey... Dem no see the lady that posted been robbed in Abuja, and hammer been hit on her, none of then gave her dime, it's people that dont need it they are rooting sending money to.

ola33t:






Ya think na the music you sabi but unfortunately, you don't even sabi the music.
After seeing Burna suddenly sky rocketing like a shooting star, here he is, thinking a manager is the problem while the absence of a music talent in the first place is the problem.

What about the time he spent washing Drake's car every morning? All became a waste because his monotonous music talent couldn't earn him any favour from Drake apart from cleaning the studio.

I'd have expected him to stick to displaying his strippers at the back of vans and thank his star for making him blow in music with the absence of a musical talent rather than thinking he needs a manager, because in reality he should still be in the studio running errands for some upcoming artistes.

na which kain hater be this sef? Him life, music consign you?

BreconHills:
And Airforce 1 or the American Embassy in Lagos is not regarded as US soil under international law? Why do host country laws not apply within another countries embassy?

" Even though embassies and consulates are located in another country, they are legally considered territory of the country they represent. So the host country does not have jurisdiction inside the embassy of a foreign country. For example, when Chinese dissident Chen Guangcheng was trying to flee politically motivated persecution in China, he fled to the U.S. embassy in Beijing. Chinese officials do not have jurisdiction within the boundaries of the U.S. embassies; for all practical purposes, Mr. Guangcheng was in the United States as long as he was inside the embassy" https://www.diffen.com/difference/Consulate_vs_Embassy

Let's see if this Act gets struck out for illegality. Let's see if anyone actually raises it as a point of order in any of the houses and let's see the outcome of that.

You can question the motive for taking the bill abroad but you cannot question the legality of the Presidents action.in the absence of a clause ruling it out. Unlike The UK Nigerias constitution is codified by a written statute subject to judicial interpretation by the SC.

Again the fact that an event has not happened before does not make it illegal.

here we go again... What and what can be done in an embassy is expressly stipulated in international laws... Signing a bill or promulgating a law there is not one of them

BreconHills:
The bolded is not true. If there are areas of the constitution that are unclear clarification can only come through a bill for constitutional amendment or judicial interpretation. You cannot infer something that is not expressly provided. Once again there is nothing that prevents a bill from being signed by the President outside the country.

The reason why locus is not insisted on anywhere in the world is because there may be situations in which a legal government does not have access to the seat of government either due to an attack by external forces or an internal insurrection. To hold otherwise would mean that a government's authority to act on behalf of it's people can be terminated simply by denying it access to its residence or office. The Nazi supported Vichy government was not regarded as legal simple because it had the accoutrements of power. The crafters of the Nigerian constitution were careful not to hem in the running of the government knowing well that judicial interpretation could produce any adjustments necessary to reflect the common will

have stated this before, check my previous post, question is are we at war? Is Buhari government a government in exile? Have you ever heard of a government in exile making laws for its citizenry? Answer is pure no... No government has ever signed a bill outside its soil.. Ever. None.

tsinzu:
when the gbedu dey enter body

this got me cracking

BreconHills:
Something does not become illegal simply because no one has done it before.

If there is no express term forbidding it, then it can be done. This is a written constitution not a practices and convention constitution. If you cant find it a single article forbidding it, it's simply because it is not illegal.

Dont like it? Then the opposition or a stakeholder like yourself should sue to get the signed act declared null and void? Guess what, no one will do it and that's because they have a better understanding of the constitution than you do.

am not an opposition, I detaste PDP with a passion, look at my previous post, I was optimistic about Yar'Adua, he failed us actually before he died, same optimistic about Gej, he failed us too, over optimistic about Buhari he failed us too in his 1st term unfortunately the main opposition candidate would av sold us to eBay, now Buhari is still failing us.

There are so many things that are not expressly written in the constitution, because it's not written does not makes it legal, there is a norm through out the whole wide world, you don't go against it mainly because it's not written in the constitution, what you are saying is akin to the national assembly sitting abroad and making laws for us, it's not done lets call a spade a spade.

BreconHills:
You've answered your own question. The reason the autopen was not carried to where Obama was is simply because electronic signatures or mechanical signatures are accepted under US law whereas they are not accepted under the Nigerian Evidence Act or the Authentication Act.

Change the law in Nigeria and the President can use devices like the Autopen.

Until then they can carry it to anywhere that is regarded as Nigerian soil. That's the law until it gets changed.

haaa... Bros... Its not the autopen we talking about, it's the bill it's self, they could have carried it with their fastest jet to him in Malaysia, they didn't, you know why? It must be signed on American soil, that's the norm anywhere in the world, you can't proclaim a law while you are on a foreign soil period.

BreconHills:
I trust you are aware that under the Acts Authentication Act 1962 there are several steps that must occur after the President has signed a bill.

Article 3(2) A duplicate of the Schedule when passed and signed shall be returned to the Clerk of the National Assemble who shall cause a copy to be published in the Federal Gazette; and the production of a copy of the Federal Gazette containing the Schedule as published shall be conclusive evidence for all purposes.


Article 4(1) The Clerk of the National Assembly shall in each year distinguish between Acts having application throughout the Federation and Acts having application only within the Federal Territory by assigning to them numbers consecutive in each series beginning in each year with the number one, and shall insert the date of commencement or, if the date of commencement is deferred, a reference to the section.

Your distinction between a treaty and a law is razor thin because subsequent steps need to be taken before an Act is enforceable. The Presidents signature while important ( in fact if he does not sign it within 10 days it automatically becomes law) is part of a chain. Obsessing over where a bill was signed is not a concern shared by the writers of the constitution. If you can find clear provisions to the contrary please let me know.

you are just beating round the bush, talking about steps of what will happen after a bill is signed and where did u get the fact from, that if a president does not sign a bill it becomes a law after 10 days,

Anyway point is, show me where and when a sovereign signs a bill on a foreign soil or an embassy ever anywhere in the world, the bill you said Obama signed was in the US and a machine was used with his approval, they could have easily carried the bill to Malaysia for him to sign, just like Kyari did.

BreconHills:
I am also patiently waiting for the clause in the Nigerian Constitution that forbids a bill being signed by the President outside Nigeria; in the air, on land or at sea.

you don't need to because no other sovereign have ever done that before.

BreconHills:
Then let me also keep it simple
1. The Nigerian constitution does not forbid the President signing a bill outside the country. If you can find such a clause do let me know. Two opposing facts cannot be equally true.
2. Obama did more. While he was outside the country, a bill was signed using the auto pen technology. He did this over 10 times before leaving office https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/20/white-house-aides-use-autopen-sign-highway-bill-while-obama-overseas/76098452/
Obama did not ask the VP to sign, he did not wait to return. He gave instructions from abroad that the autopen be used.

good, we are all aware of this, was the bill in Malaysia when it was signed or on us soil?

iyatrustee:
Lets not muddle thing up sir. Our laws did a disservice by not specifying the place of assent before a Bill is validly passed and until this lacuna is properly addressed, this might not be a Sacrilege just yet like you are positing.

No, National assembly cannot sit in the US and make laws for us because the process and different stages of passing a bill is clearly spelt out and different from the president assenting to a bill.




The duties of the Vice President are complimentary in nature, hence he can only act as much as his principal allows him to. That said, Unless he has been fully assigned by the president to act on his behalf for the period he will be away, a Vice Presidential assent cannot validly bring a law into effect.

there is no lacuna here, it just doesn't happen, that's why they writers of the law didn't bother to put it in, it's a sacrilege.

BreconHills:
I find it humorous when a person tries to obscure an already answered question by throwing out other questions out of desperation. Its like shooting at a stealth fighter with local dane guns.

Let me answer you directly. The Nigerian embassy where the President signed the bill or any other property owned by the FGN abroad and used for consular or diplomatic (noncommercial) purposes is NOT Nigeria but is TREATED as sovereign property under international law. The host country cannot even enter it to put out a fire. Please see The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. One example is Julian Assage of Wiki Leaks who has hung out in the Ecuadorian embassy in England for several years to avoid extradition to Sweden for sex charges. Sweden would likely extradite him to their country and the US to wants to try him for leaking classified US documents. So he is staying put in the Ecuadorian embassy because once he sets foot out of the embassy onto English soil he will be arrested and extradited to Sweden. In the Embassy, he is untouchable.

The signature of a bIll in the Nigerian Embassy is also not illegal per the Nigerian Constitution. The rules of logic say two opposing facts cannot be equally true. So if the constitution of Nigeria does not expressly forbid the signing of a bill in a Nigerian Embassy or aborad the Presidential plane it cannot be held to be illegal.

Please note that I am not one that continues the argument in the name of some machismo male type. If you want me to keep replying to you, please supply contrary international law constructs or interpretations. I cant continue educating you forever. Unless I see that you have put some intellectual rigor unto your answer, I will regard the case as closed.

the question is very simple, tell me any country that has signed any law in an embassy, a treaty can be signed anywhere, and a treaty is not a law, a treaty still need to be domesticated, mine is simple and simple, no need for an epistle.

BreconHills:
The Nigerian evidence Act and the provisions of the constitution do not allow for the use of e-pens so physical signature is required. We do not know why it was so urgent that someone had to physically travel down - there may have been a time sensitivity issue. What we do know is that the Presidents signing of the bill does not take anything away from the clear provisions of the VP's duties and authorities.

And as for whether there is evidence of any leader signing a bill outside the country, the answer is yes. The President of the US can sign Bill's aboard Airforce 1 and even an Airforce carrier. [b]The Surrender document between Japan and the US was signed onboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo. [/b]If the President signs a bill in a property owned by the FRN such a document stands is as if it was signed in Nigeria. The Nigerian embassy or any other property including an investment property or a Nigeria presidential plane or ship is regarded as Nigerian territory.

the incidence you quoted on the aircraft carrier, question is... Is the aircraft carrier in another sovereign territorial waters? No, is it a law? No, on board airforce one..
Tell me which president has signed a bill or a law on the airforce one? Question is how did the bill got to the airforce one from the capitol him biko?

iyatrustee:
Truth is I doubt if any such exist (I will check that out though) but it doesn't void it nonetheless. The presidential assent is what is required and not the location the assent was given. Morality and Law are 2 different things as people are allowing sentiments to come into play

if there is no precedence, there must be a reason for it, we can't operate governance in isolation with the rest of the world, there are different type of government yes we all know that but they all have one basics, "sovereignty" period, this is not matter of morals its universal Law. What the President just did is sacrilege anywhere in the whole world. You can as well say the national assembly can sit in the US and make laws for Nigerians.

iyatrustee:
The constitution only requires him to when he will be out of office for 21days, I think he will be gone for only 14 or more days hence it will be at his discretion. Although domiciled in London, NIGERIA house in the eye of Intl law is as good as NIgeria.

can you quote any sovereignty signing /promulgating a law in an embassy in another sovereign? Anywhere in the world? Except it's a government in exile?

sainthumble:
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anywhere in the world

[quote author= post=83783967]The koko be say, this BILL that will move the nation forward has been signed by our darling President.

WTF, is wrong with wailers and the enemies of the nation about who took it to the president to sign?
Why are these people just mad and stupid unnecessary?

We are 100% sure that over 90% of these criminals crying do not even know what the bill entails.
All they are after is to cause rift between Baba and Prof for their selfish political interest come 2023.

Bunch of criminals.[/quote]can you quote any precedence of this event ever happening anywhere in the whole world? Even in history? Signing a law in another country? Please, just one.

This is too bad. So Tinubu cannot call a spade a spade... Is London now Nigeria's capital? Does this people know the meaning of what they are saying? What's the difference between this and yar adua time, what the difference between this and when the Saudis did not allow the PM of Lebanon to go back home because of thee own interest, if the British government decide to hold on to buhari and make him declare war on another sovereignty can we question it? What's the use of a VP then... Tinubu messed up with this big time... He should have kept quiet and say nothing, we are no fools.

lurlah2014:
Something is right with the judge and the judgment made too.
Why would he decide not to refund the money in the first place when he knows fully well that the money is meant for business and not for charity.

I wish I could sue the person that refused to refund my own 5k till date too I would have asked the judge to dash her 5years imprisonment.

in law that judgment is too mean, he has paid back the money even tho he did after his arrest plus he forfeited and plead guilty yet you gave him 2years in prison Maina that stole billions got 6months in prison and you think something is not wrong with that judge? With a good lawyer he can appeal his sentence, it's inhumane.

The sentence is too harsh, what's the point the judge trying to make, turn him into a harden criminal? He has paid the money back already and forfeited the motorcycle, why still send him to prison for two years after pleading guilty, something is not right with the judge.

This is an impeachable offense, he has no right to sign anything outside the shores of the country.

Luckysbab:
How una take understand this story na im dey confuse me.

I tìre ooo... The whole engriish was confusing... Chai. People sha.

naptu2:
The heck! You are interviewing me? Who the heck are you?

I maintain, you cannot wake a person that is pretending to be asleep. If you see a certificate, you will proclaim that it is fake, if you see a picture, you will proclaim that it is fake, nothing will satisfy you because you will only see what you want to see and I'm not interested in wasting my time trying to satisfy you. You cannot wake someone who is pretending to be asleep.

This is my last response to you.

keep cool bro... Let those guys be.... We that are neutral knows better... Both sides are the same.

McTobe:
To me that does not make sense because he was of contractual age when the deal was signed, he was not coerced and the contract does not encourage him to do anything illegal and there are a few other considerations. In other words that contract must have been duelly sealed and is therefore enforceable. Morally we know that what they are paying him is poor but he is bound by what he signed. The best he can do is to use the service of a lawyer in the class of Agbakoba like Olu Falae or Ozekhome likes and go into arbitration. That’s all. If not he will just waste his money on appeals up to the Supreme Court. [font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]SHYLOCK’s POUND OF FLESH comes to mind with this case

being of contractual age does not matters when a contract is inhumane, that said I or you shouldn't jump the gun because I don't know about you but I have not seen the copy of the contract, that said all is an investment and if there is something there that unnecessary tie him down or he is not happy about the contract should have an exit clause, anyway whatever it is if he feels he is justified he should go all the way with the litigation but if not he should settle.
My own honest opinion is that, it's very difficult to invest in human skills, asking for 500m naira is pretty crazy, but the record company also invested expecting a return on investment so the two should battle it out in court to Supreme Court level for interpretation.

Kiss should get a good lawyer..... You can't sign someone into slavery no matter what... With a good lawyer I will encourage him to go all the way to the Supreme Court... Its high time the court interpret what constitute a legal musical recording label contract.

mkoabiola:
Even wen she is misbehaving u stil got her pregnant under 6months wen things are falling apart......



God go help una

this part got me oooo... I couldn't stop laughing.

Crap... Op how much did this man pay you for this subtle advertisement on Nairaland, anyway now You ve earned your pay... Now I know the name mallam Yankee... Happy now?

Are filters not electronic make ups? What's the difference, she is still on make up... That doesn't count abeg.

Kennyswagz1:
Shatap there

why didn't you take your drugs?

God bless Innoson.... From a Yoruba man.

Let them stop bandits and illegal fulanis too... Then the border can b open