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johnw47:
oh duh most confused and lost false jw mad maxmy post was not about miracles being evidence of Christmy post was about sinning against the Holy Spirityour confusion comes from the same spirit that false jw lies and blasphemy come from:1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saintsJoh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.your usual know nothing stories

MightySparrow:
Thanks for thanking me.
Have a blessed day

Farewell!

TenQ:
I didn't ask for your memory verse on the lord's prayer.
I specifically said: prayer of supplication
Since you don't understand: an example like praying for a JW person who has cancer or a JW having a challenge of Schizophrenia (as examples)

Do you pray for these kind of people with examples stated above?


Or do you leave them ONLY to the mercy of the hospitals for proper treatment?

Why not ask Paul what himself and the Apostles did about Timothy's sickness? 1Timothy 5:23
We pray to be strong in this condition of things because we need the physical strength to do the work of our God {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} so if He is willing that we remain in active preaching and teaching fine but as for sickness it's part of the signs of the endtime {Luke 21:11} Jesus never said we won't be affected.

MightySparrow:
Note the boled
Community truth

Your contribution is well noted Sir, thanks!

johnw47:
Jesus performed his miracles through the Holy Spirit
the pharisees claimed that Jesus performed His miracles through the spirit of the devil.
calling the Holy Spirit in Jesus the spirit of the devil, is a unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit

There's nowhere in the scriptures to back up miracles as evidence of the Christ's presence because different prophets have performed miracles in the past yet they never claimed to be the Christ!

What the Pharisees said against Jesus was out of envy despite knowing that John the baptist was the prophet sent to prepare the way for the Christ {John 1:23} and that's what their God promised them as sign that the Christ is right at the corner if they see such a prophet preparing their minds ready for the Christ {Malachi 4:5} but their position as rulers of the Jews made them refused to acknowledge John the baptist {Mark 11:27-33} so they sinned against God's Holy Spirit working according to God's program as John the baptist introduced Jesus of Nazareth to the people as the Christ! John 1:29, 36
As for miracles it could be questioned because demons also perform wonders {Matthew 7:21-23} but God's plan to restore the Jews to glory through John (the promised Elijah) and Jesus' preaching and teaching campaign is undeniably evidence of Christ in their midst.
What the scriptures foretold about our time is not miracles but a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} zealously preaching and industriously teaching throughout the earth! Matthew 24:14
So when people see this group as they're gathering millions throughout the earth and making them peacelovers yet calling them all sorts of names like demons, cults and so on {Matthew 10:25} then those criticizing them after reading about God's plans in the Bible are actually sinning against God's Holy Spirit! Matthew 12:31-32

tctrills:
There's no way you can sin against the person you can't see (God) and you can't sin against God's only begotten Son (by) because he is a spirit being in heaven.

Psalm 51:4. Against You, You only, have I sinned

David is one of Jehovah's Witnesses so he's speaking from the perspective of a JW because from the JW perspective whatever wrong we do is against our God not human {Genesis 39:9} David never worshiped any other God he committed adultery with another man's wife and he considered against JEHOVAH.
That's what he meant.
The Muslim i chatted with asked how one can sin against God, God's Son and Holy Spirit.
So if you want to know how we true Christians preach all you need is ask us to teach you, we don't answer all kinds of people the same way we must consider their religion and thinking until they become one of us then they will eat solid food not milk again!

Matthew 24:7

Well it's like you wanted to be tormented with more truth so i will dish it out but then i'm not this wicked you asked for it!

Prayer is when a mortal man is supplicating the spirit realms the one at the receiving end is the God from which the person praying is expecting a response. So when people pray it's not to the same God because there are many Gods out there that people do pray to {1Corinthians 8:5} but to Jehovah's Witnesses our God is one {1Corinthians 8:6} that is why we must follow the guidelines set by His only begotten Son in order for our prayers to be acceptable before our God! Matthew 17:5

This is the model we follow anytime we lift our heads to our God:
"Our father who lives in heaven may your name be sanctified" we must acknowledge that our God is the source of all lives {Genesis 1:1} so we mustn't wish everyone human well as we're all children of the same heavenly father!

"Let your Kingdom (government) come, so that your will that's taking place in heaven should be extended to our planet home (earth)" We must pray for love, joy and peace to reign globally so that our planet home become a Paradise for all and we must work towards achieving it by showing love to everyone no nationalism or racism.

"Give us our daily supply of needs" we mustn't be selfish in our quest for material possessions we should be contented with whatever we have. That's why it's impossible to find a JW begging in your streets because we are OK with whatever we have! Psalms 23:1


"Forgive us our blunders as we also forgive our fellow humans" we mustn't hold a grudge against our fellowman because the sin our God is lifting up from our shoulders is weightier than anything our fellow humans can do to us! Matthew 18:23-35


"Do not lead us into temptation but deliver us from the schemes of Satan" we mustn't allow the things of this world to hold us back from the wonderful career Jesus gave us which is becoming zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word {Luke 18:18-23} we must view whatever will not allow us participate actively in the work Jesus gave us as a trap from Satan.

With all of these been fulfilled in the life of a JW there's no prayer you can think of that makes sense to us {2Timothy 4:1-2} because we are 100% certain that such a person is on the narrow path to everlasting life! Matthew 7:13-14

So if you're thinking of spectacular shows of deliverance it's of no use to us because Jesus warned us not to be carried away with such shows as those involved in these things without following the footstep he laid down will be denied access to him when he returns to reward his true disciples! Matthew 7:21-23

May you have PEACE!

TenQ:
What is PRAYER of Supplication?
If God will not listen to you, why complain like Cain?

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

terrezo2002:
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ. My organisation is the church of Jesus Christ. I don't know what organisation you guys are forming outside the church of Christ

TenQ:
I dont expect you to understand anything spiritual


What is PRAYER of Supplication?
If God will not listen to you, why complain like Cain?

Those of us that God uses in the miraculous give thanks to Him, for we are mere Servants and most importantly we have our names written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Stop complaining and
Please go get your own Oil!

John 3:19

gohf:
Here's a question if Jesus wasn't real and never existed and was a made up fantasy, are his teachings and words so evil that they shouldn't be taught heard nor practiced.

And if people decided to follow this "fictional" character and his teachings and do good with their lives. Why hate them, or him or attempt to stop them?

Its like being disturbed and afraid of a fictional cartoon character that says do right or you will be punished. With all your logic does that make sense to you.

Ọmọ i tire for them o!

If Jesus is a fictional character like Harry Potter and some people choose to live their lives according to what the character says sebi you who is not brainwashed will have better chances than them nah.

So why bother about them?

sonmvayina:
Lol.. Maxindhouse...learn to ask questions so you can get a proper understanding.

I said it is about God's laws that he gave to mankind. ...

The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah

The Igbos as well as some other tribes in Africa passed it on from father to so to grandson orally.
It is the basis of the Igbo omenani/odinani.

But the jesus of the Christian has got nothing to do with the creator of heaven and earth. He was created by the Roman church as a weapon of control..and you foolishly fell for the scam.

Please leave this story aside because it will never end oya answer the question:

Is it true that you've been begging people for money on Nairaland?

Rekhina:
somayvina used to beg leiylau for money in her email.
Leiylau told me

Because instead of refuting it you started cursing this person in the name of your demons!

sonmvayina:
This is you bah...
Your just a worthless pile of shit..
You should thank God for internet, because that's the only way low life like you can talk to their grandparents under anonymity...
Don't mention me again before Amadioha strikes you dead..

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn!

Read what another observer typed about me after reading how i calmly defended the truth of God's word:

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Ọmọ tears ran down my cheeks as i felt so flattered. Me "Maximus" an insolent and violent man in the past now typed what is bringing hope and joy to faithful people to the extent that a lady once professed her love for me publicly on this same forum now somebody said about Maximus:

"i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything"

Please go and find your kind Max is here making disciples for my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus hoping to see them become better Bible scholars than me.

Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me!

TenQ:
I don't blame him,
1. He has never been used by God for anything, therefore he doesn't believe in miracles
2. Some of the charlatans parading themselves as pastors have with their lifestyles make unbelievers and especially JW skeptical of every true miracle
3. Even amongst true believers, miracles is not meant for personal consumption even though it happens. The more we are outdoors preaching the Word, the more Gods miracles get given through ALL his Children and especially through those that have received the grace.


For the JW:
If the foundation DOESN'T exist, nothing feasible can be built on it. They don't even know Jesus, it's not surprising that Christ never work through them

terrezo2002:
Your testimony is that you guys are multiplying. Islam too multiplies. Cult groups multiply.
Christians share real testimonies of the works of the Holy spirit in them.

Ọmọ we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES present your organization and what you are doing as foretold by Christ Jesus jàre!

gohf:
answer me this does it really matter?
Have you ever seen a child who already knows morals without being taught?

We were all born atheists {Psalms 51:5} until someone teach us about God {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} but why do we need to be taught the things of God?

Well despite the fact that children don't have class among themselves nor discriminates as they continue to live with their imperfect parents they will begin to learn from them all the traits of imperfection in the flesh so by the time they're in their teens they would have developed a personality that's according to the evil deeds they're seeing around them for instance they would have noticed how someone was unjustly treated when nobody said anything and nothing happened.
So their minds are shaped according to the things they see around them.

That's why God told his own people:

These words that I am commanding you today must be on your heart, and you must inculcate them in your sons and speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as a reminder on your hand, and they must be like a headband on your forehead! Deuteronomy 6:6-8

So that an average Israelite may know that morality doesn't come by chance people teach people!

terrezo2002:
Exactly what JW does. Disagreeing on biblical terms.

That's exactly what all the rival sects in the first century said about Jesus and his disciples but funny enough none of them agree with the other on terms and conditions of worship despite meeting in the same temple with Jesus.
The only evidence Jesus had back then was the unity among his own disciples and their works as preachers and teachers of God's word among the Jews. The Pharisees also claim that their disciples are performing miracles in the name of the God of Moses.
But at pentecost 33 ce God chose just one group and baptized them with His Holy Spirit all the Jews then realized that the only approved group are those practicing what Jesus laid down.
Present a group that agrees to work for God and what they're able to achieve as evidence that God's Holy Spirit is working with them.

You and i have our copies of the Bible so we can confirm what Jesus said about his disciples during the endtime.

Thanks in advance!

terrezo2002:
He is not a Christian. He is a JW. They don't regard themselves as one of you. They are on their own. Masters of twisters of the scriptures

If those claiming Christians fail to agree on the terms and conditions of worship among themselves please count us out we are Jehovah's Witnesses! John 17:22

Of course there is soul and that's the person you know not some immaterial being.

For your information soul simply means the person for instance imagine if someone you know is involved in a terrible gas explosion that claims his face and body then he refused to die despite all the damage the explosion did to his body so some surgeons gathered round to save him but the just have to prepare another face and skin for him and after the surgery he is OK again.
Note that the new body will be unrecognizable but when he you carefully observe his thoughts words and actions it will remind you of your friend.
That's what the soul means. It's the body that sustains the person once he stops breathing the person (soul) is DEAD! Ezekiel 18:4

Humans have the power to destroy that body sustaining the persons breath but afterwards they can't do anything else {Matthew 10:28} if the person has a clean record God has the power to prepare a new and better body for the person to continue living! Ezekiel 37:11-13

May you have PEACE!

jaephoenix:
More like an ignorant bot

Ọmọ wisdom is justified by her children, i know you're seriously disturbed that a religionist could prove to be smarter and much more intelligent than you. Well i will love it if you don't feel offended by our wisdom because that will make you a terrorist in disguise. If someone doesn't agree with you that shouldn't make you attack him it's a free world where people live with different mindsets so my guy live and let live!

jaephoenix:
So because people mol@st children, then its normal? And if JWs mol@st kids we should ignore it? And I have to physically see a JW mol@st a child before I believe it? Do you believe Mars exist?
Don't worry I'm pulling up screenshots of your slanders

You will continue to be tormented with the truth as for calling atheists Devils or Satan i'm still waiting for your proof because if you fail to present it then i have enough evidence that you're just pained with the way truth is exposing the wickedness in your heart.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't call atheists Devils or Satan because we know most of you are casualties of religious deception!

jaephoenix:
I want to ask a simple question….
Do you talk about Muslims or other religions?

NO!
We only focus on the Good News of the kingdom of our God!

sonmvayina:
Where Did the God of Moses, Isaac and Jacob said he was sending his son as a new convenant to the nations?..
Maaalu

sonmvayina:
Have I ever advocated that..

It is you that is forming "I too know".

I follow my odinani/omanani, I am ok with that.

But jesus has got nothing to do with the God of the Jews?

So where does that leave you?

It's now obvious that you're a perpetual liar!
Because you always complain about the Torah and Tanakh yet are you now saying this?

By the way is it true that you're also a social media beggar begging people for money on Nairaland?

Rekhina:
somayvina used to beg leiylau for money in her email.
Leiylau told me

sonmvayina:
This is you bah...
Your just a worthless pile of shit..
You should thank God for internet, because that's the only way low life like you can talk to their grandparents under anonymity...
Don't mention me again before Amadioha strikes you dead..

I'm just curious because instead of you to deny it you started cursing this person in the name of your demons!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Wow!
You really flatter me SeniorMan!

I was taught just like everyone else {1Corinthians 4:7} so i'm in no way special you can become better than me if only you listen to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES with strong faith that God surely has an organization of faithful worshipers! John 17:20-23

Whenever i'm responding to atheists i always try not to look into their sinful traits but the inner person they are because i can bear them witness that most of them got fed up with lies and frustration in false religions!

SeniorMan715:
Thanks for the fine explanation brother Max

You're welcome my brother!

jaephoenix:
How does one speak against the Holy Spirit

The post below has addressed your question.

SeniorMan715:
When they have seen the truth and hardened their heart or refused to accept it.

The only little addition i want to make is that when someone is acting in contrary to the things he knows that is right instantly from that moment he will begin to feel tormented each time he see what makes the wickedness in his heart becomes obvious to everyone, that is why God will not forgive them because instead of working towards adjustment in order to free their conscience they will start nursing a grudge against the source of light that's exposing them! John 3:19

So if your conscience doesn't disturb you with whatever anyone says you're not sinning against God's Holy Spirit even though you claim to be an atheist. But from the moment you become uncomfortable with a message to the point of attacking the messenger then watch yourself something is wrong with you.

As an atheist you should feel relaxed after all you don't believe in the existence of any sky daddy (God) so what's your business with whatever those talking for their sky daddy thinks, say or do?
As long as they're not stopping you from eating your bread my friend you have no business with whatever they're saying!

SeniorMan715:
Will they be resurrected with the unrighteous and righteous people?

During the resurrection it's the same WORKS of God's Holy Spirit that we will all see not God or Jesus so if they're speaking against the fine WORKS of the same Holy Spirit now how will they appreciate it when they're only seeing the humans in whose midst God's Holy Spirit is performing it's WORKS?

So since they've chosen to be wicked they will not be remembered during the resurrection of the dead {Psalms 9:17} that's why Jesus said they will not be forgiven now and in the system when God's mercy to remember the dead comes! Matthew 12:31-32


The righteous and unrighteous mentioned at Act 24:15 is about faithful servants of God (RIGHTEOUS) and people who lived by conscience even though they don't know God's laws (UNRIGHTEOUS)

AntiChristian:
So Jesus was a man while on Earth!
When he woke up was he still a man or Spirit?
When he ascended to heaven did he drop the body on Earth?
Let's see the verses how Jesus a man became spirit!

This is why you always feel like running away from me even though my comments do touch your heart.

This is what you typed with your own hands after considering the strength in the message i typed:

AntiChristian:
You mean the watchtower God or the three in one God? Even you know your God/Gods are different among yourselves!
Stop patronizing me!

AntiChristian:
Your business as a Jehovah witness is not my business. Mind your business make i mind mine!

What you raised is how sin committed against God and God's Son be forgiven but that which is committed against God's Holy Spirit become unforgivable.

So my friend if you can't be consistent please avoid me and my thread after all you said i should avoid you!

AntiChristian:
I am earnestly waiting for the part two as i would like to know how God is one when sin against the father and Son can be forgiven but not that of the Spirit?

There's no way you can sin against the person you can't see (God) and you can't sin against God's only begotten Son (Christ) because he is a spirit being in heaven.

That's why Jesus said:

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come. Matthew 12:31-31

Note the highlighted in red, Jesus carefully chose his words because it's a human being who eats, drinks and poo that you will wonder:

"why should he tell me what to do after all he's just human like me?"

But the works Jesus is doing in the midst of imperfect humans with the support of God's Holy Spirit is what you must not speak against because you can't find such fine WORKS in any other religion no matter how devoted those in the the religion may prove to be.

So if you choose to speak against humans like you our God will forgive you. For instance if someone is talking or saying anything against Muhammad due to the fact that he is human our God doesn't take it seriously after all na human like me but when you're speaking against the fine WORKS that Muhammad's message is producing in the midst of those practicing what he taught and you can't find such fine WORKS anywhere else then our God will never forgive you because it's only the spirit of our God that can produce those fine WORKS which means Muhammad must be one of the messengers of our God.

So can you please present the fine WORKS of Islam as evident in the gathering of imperfect humans?

sonmvayina:
Whose idea is that ?

Whose idea is that people of all nations should obey the constitution God gave the nation He established through Moses?

Whenever we see someone speaking to us about God in most cases we do look at the one speaking instead of concentrating on what will be the outcome if we should put what this person is saying into practice therefore when we angrily speak against God's messengers, verbal abuse, restrict them or physically hurt them God will forgive us if we are doing so with our faithful heart condition that's why Jesus prayed for the Roman soldiers punishing him {Luke 23:34} for speaking against the religious leaders of the Jewish community thinking Jesus was a blasphemer just as he was accused {Matthew 26:65} the same thing occurred when faithful Jewish Pharisee called "Saul" stood against the congregation of God and made sure many of them were imprisoned {Act 7:58; 9:1-2} and few were killed so Stephen prayed for Saul because he was doing it all out of faithfulness to his God! Act 7:60

So no matter what a faithful person may do in his faithfulness to God it will be forgiven him but when does the sin against man (forgivable) change to sin against God's Holy Spirit (unforgivable)?

After carefully observing the outcome of what a seemingly stupid person whom we thought is blaspheming God is doing and we can perceive that his works are yielding positivity regarding the fruitage of God's Holy Spirit for instance after Jesus' execution only his disciples later saw him alive because he has become a spirit none of the Jews who weren't his disciples saw him again after his death {John 14:19} it becomes more difficult for Jesus' disciples to preach about their leader the so called impostor who has been judged and executed under the Jewish constitution! Act 4:18; 5:28

So how can anyone sin against God's Holy Spirit now that Jesus is no more physically around?

Well Jesus told his disciples that what God had promised through the mouth of His prophets will be received by his disciples if they remain faithful to the course so they must wait for this promise in order for them to benefit maximally as the first set of Jews to receive the blessings their God promised regarding the coming of Christ! Act 1:8; Joel 2:28-30

At last God fulfilled His promises and the first set of Jews who accepted Jesus as Christ were all baptized together in a room {Act 2: 1-3} as they began speaking in different tongues so that all the visitors in Jerusalem heard these Jews speaking in their native language the sacred secrets of God's Kingdom! Act 2:4-12


Now this is where we are going!

After witnessing this event some observing the BORN AGAIN Jewish Christians thought and said "they are drunk" {Act 2:13} this is surely a sin but it is committed against the men who are doing something unnatural so God won't charge it against those saying they're drunk.

Then Peter stood up along with the 11 surviving apostles of Jesus to address the Jews that day!

After delivering his speech most of the Jews were helped to remember that what they're seeing is in fulfilment of the promise their God made to their forefathers in the days of prophet Joel! Act 2:18; Joel 2:28-30

When they heard this they became sober to the point of asking Peter and the rest:

"Men, brothers, what should we do?" Act 2:37

Instantly those accusing their own brothers of drunkenness changed and began begging them for what they should do so as not to be left out from gaining what their God promised!

Remember most of these people were present when Pontius Pilate asked what should be done to Jesus of Nazareth and they all screamed with one voice "impale (execute) him!"John 19:14-15

But now after seeing the fulfilment of what their God promised through the prophets happening to the followers of Jesus they felt really bitter and wanted to become members of the most vilified Jewish group in the first century "followers of Jesus"

This is how to sin against God's Holy Spirit!
Whoever raise his tongue against what they all saw that very day which is the fulfilment of the promises of their God simply because he felt irritated by the activities of Jesus' disciples as one united family of peace loving worshipers after seeing God's word being fulfilled in their midst will never be forgiven because such a person is no longer fighting against those humans he/she can see but actually fighting against the spirit of God working out what is fine in the midst of imperfect humans! Galatians 5:22-23

That is when they will begin to say all religions are welcome to them because they don't want to acknowledge that they've seen the one and only approved group in whose midst God's Holy Spirit is doing it's work! James 2:18-26

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

The truth is that it's easy and convenient when a normal human commits sin but it's really a big torment when humans are committing the unforgivable sin which is outrightly speaking against the spirit of God!

Any form of blunder committed by humans is carried out when a man is lacking something but the sin against God's Holy Spirit is carried out by faithless and evil people.

Now let us analyse what Jesus said which is the topic of discussion!

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come" Matthew 12:31-32.

There are nine qualities indicating the fruitage (produce) of God's Holy Spirit in the gathering of imperfect humans:
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL Galatians 5:22-23
No imperfect human can exhibit these qualities because it's beyond our capability {Romans 3:23} yet these are the qualities we must possess before we can be ushered into everlasting life! Matthew 5:48

Humans are living with flesh which was born in corruption {Psalms 51:5} and there are traits that comes with our sinful flesh:

Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom. Galatians 5:19 -21

These are the things that will continue coming to the mind of any imperfect human no matter how hard we try {Romans 7:15-23} considering our limitations God is ever ready to help us! Psalms 103:14

When we fall into any of these traits due to our stupid fleshy desires God is willing to forgive us if we are faithful! Isaiah 1:18 compare to Proverbs 24:16

That's why the faithful Israelites king David was forgiven and God always refer to him as the man after God's heart! Act 13:22

So how do humans commit sin against God's Holy Spirit?

To be continued...

From the day Adam and Eve (first perfect human couple) chose to alienate themselves from their Creator all their descendants have been cursed with sickness, suffering, oldage and death. Romans 5:12
But due to His compassion God decided to redeem faithful and loyal descendants of this culprits because they're not directly involved in the crime against God so whenever God's angels moving round the earth finds a faithful descendant of Adam they rush back to make a good report to God and so God promised that no matter how stupid they proved to be in their sinful condition He will forgive and erase their errors! Isaiah 1:18

To be continued....