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I believe you're not blind to the topic of these thread:
Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses

So if you're not ready to learn from us go and preach what you think you know to those who are ready to listen to you.

You can see i already have Bible students:

SeniorMan715:
Please help me explain and understand Isaiah 9:6, 7

Sincere and honest hearted individuals know the difference between credulous religionists and real Bible scholars.
Please go and find your type this is not a place to type your nonsense and ingredients!

Ken4Christ:
It has only one meaning. And you are certainly not born again.

Ken4Christ:
But you don't believe in Jesus. You should be Jesus witness and not Jehovah's witness because no one has seen Jehovah before. But Jesus was seen. He walked the face of this earth. He died and rose again from the dead.
And he told his disciples that they will be his witness. So, you are supposed to be Jesus witness. Without Jesus, you can't access Jehovah. This is why your teachings are in errors. Errors that lure people away from the truth instead of saving them. May the Lord deliver gullible souls from your demonic doctrines in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

jaephoenix:
Since your generation of mol3sters came and your LovePeddler mother was rap@d, how many times did you molest your bastard sisters? Just answer

Go and ask your insane father such stupid question nobody is forcing you to believe in God!

sagenaija:
Wait a minute!
Is it you who just mentioned the word "context"? Did you just write " God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE....." So when you write context matters but when it's someone else, you query context.

From you saying a while ago that "context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message...." to now talk in the quote I put up above about context shows that you can do anything simply to try to win an argument. What a pity!

Anyhow, the Bible says that the throne was set in heaven. If you choose to be blind to this fact the choice is yours.

Ọmọ God's throne is in heaven but flesh and blood doesn't go to heaven so in that context where the great crowd is standing is God's presence not heaven!

God has put eternity in the hearts of humans {Ecclesiastes 3:11} nobody is prepared to die as long as you're enjoying life that's why God's word referred to death as the last enemy {1Corinthians 15:26} that God will swallow forever! Isaiah 25:8
But then due to Adam sin entered into the life of humans and death through sin {Romans 5:12} that's the reason we have to start counting seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months and years of human lives if not for sin we are supposed to live forever {Psalms 37:29} so instead of thinking about death think about salvation in Christ Jesus because even if a believer dies Jesus has been given all the power both in heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} and he is willing to raise all his friends from the dead! John 11:25-26

jaephoenix:
Its a question. Just answer it

Go and ask your stupid father such a stupid question because it's not by force you have faith in God and it's not by force people become atheist like you!

SeniorMan715:
Please help me explain and understand Isaiah 9:6, 7

For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

A male child will be born among the Jews his origin is not from Adamic means because it's not through sexual relations this child is to be born. In actual fact this child is the angel who responded among God's heavenly organization when God asked "who will go for us?" {Isaiah 6:8} it was like a woman delivering her baby with labour pains that this angel stood up for the assignment! Revelations 12:1-2
So it's a virgin that will give birth to this person among the Jews and his name will be Emmanuel (with us is God) because everything God promised the Jews and the entire human race will come true by means of the mission this child is coming for {Isaiah 7:4} he will speak in the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} the Jewish nation will feel his impact within just three years of his preaching and teaching {Isaiah 8:8} he will imprint a new system of rule in the hearts of faithful Jews during that time they will perceive him as the most wonderful counselor ever raised in the history of mankind, the greatest of all gods ever seen on this planet, he will continue to produce children because through his teachings billions will adopt him as their father forever and his counseling will bring everlasting peace to all mankind! Isaiah 9:6

Later he will return to heaven for preparation of war against the ruler of this world Satan the devil {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} back in heaven he is known by his angelic name "Michael" so he will sit by God's right hand until he is given the order to start fighting against Satan and all his evil forces {Psalms 110:1-2} and as the one who came for the salvation of mankind {Daniel 12:1} all his children globally will support him in the battle, they will not raise physical weapons rather the weapons he trained them to use is God's word {Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12} so all his children must buy this sword even if that's the only thing they can own in their lives {Luke 22:36} because their struggling is not against physical beings rather they're fighting against spirit beings. Ephesians 6:10-12

So by the time Michael is leading God's people into this spiritual battle {Daniel 12:1} millions across the globe will offer their lives willingly to support him to global victory {Psalms 110:3} and their weapons will be the words protruding out of Michael's mouth he is the archangel whose utterances will destroy all enemies of righteousness! Revelations 6:8; 19:15 & 21

That's the indepth meaning of Isaiah 9:6-7.
Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

jaephoenix:
How many kids have you molested this year

Now my responses have rendered you so dumb to the extent your brains only think of blackmailing anyone having faith in God.

MrCodeSolo:
Ask a Christian a question about Jesus, and he might answer you with a quotation from Paul. But who tells us Paul speaks for Jesus? Why do we need Paul to speak for Jesus when Jesus speaks for himself? Why do we need Paul to speak for Jesus when Jesus himself warns us: “Be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time?” (Mark 13:23). If Jesus has told us all we need to know, why do we need someone else to add to, or subtract from, what he said? What was Jesus divine message according to the synoptic gospel?

First of all let me commend you for picking the interest in our book your book God's word BIBLE!
Jesus never had any business with you as a none Jew, his preaching and teaching centered on his own race the Jews (the three tribes that settled in the southern region of Israel namely Judah, Benjamin and Levites) you can confirm this in what Jesus told his Jewish disciples to do with what he taught them:

These 12 Jesus sent out, giving them these instructions: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’ Cure the sick, raise up the dead, make lepers clean, expel demons. You received free, give free. Do not acquire gold or silver or copper for your money belts, or a food pouch for the trip, or two garments, or sandals, or a staff, for the worker deserves his food" Matthew 10:5-10

Jesus was sent only to the Jews {Matthew 15:24} because according to God's word Jesus' message will be conveyed to other nations by the Jews {Zechariah 8:23} this is appropriate since the Jews had their national laws given to that nation which is to guide them until the coming of the Christ {Deuteronomy 18:18} God swore that whoever disregard what the Christ will teach among the Israelites will be condemned! Deuteronomy 18:19

How is the gospel or Good News going to reach all other nations?
Because Jesus commanded his twelve apostles not to leave Jerusalem {Act 1:4} and after their baptism in the spirit they're to remain in that city until God's judgment comes against Jerusalem for their resistance to the teachings of Christ! Luke 11:47-51; 23:27-28

The gospel must be preached to all other nations {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} but this had to be taken to them by a Jew vast in the law as well as enlightened in the traditions of other nationalities. This is why Jesus chose Saul (Paul) for this assignment! Act 9:15

Most people do think that Jesus just chose Paul without any reason but Paul was a honest hearted and sincere Jew who learned the Jewish traditions and qualified to teach others about the laws of God under the scholarship of a reputable member of the Jewish high court named "Gamaliel" Act 22:3; 5:34

When Jesus chose Paul he was to use his vast experience to convey Jesus' message to the nations explaining to them God's plan to redeem mankind from the calamities Adamic sin brought upon us all. If not for Paul it will be difficult for any of Jesus' disciples to convince people of other nations regarding these things and the time is running out as Satan was ready to devastate the congregations.

Know today that whatever you ready in Paul's letters has Jesus' 100% backing so if you don't understand any of his teachings you can meet one of Jehovah's Witnesses in your neighbourhood for further explanations.
Jesus has no business with anyone who is not a Jew the only Apostle Jesus chose to connect people of other nations to himself is Apostle Paul! Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

sagenaija:
Is it so difficult for you guys to understand simple sentences?

When I say "your" dogma I don't mean you as a person. I mean you collectively. I hope you understand this time around. If not, you may have to return to the basic English language.

Now, AS USUAL, you're again trying to muddle up things. The question I asked Janosky which neither he nor you have answered is - When did the throne that the Bible CLEARLY says is set up in heaven according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth in Rev. 7?

NB: All the angels, the elders, and the four living beings were also there in Rev. 7.

But just simply answer the question before you veer off to some region unknown. We are waiting.

The funny way you arrogantly deceive yourself has continued to amaze me walahi talahi!

The two highlighted had spoken in volumes are you now ready to name the religion in which you're a member?

Because i told you "i wasn't born a JW" i was preached to and after being convinced i joined the global family of peace loving worshipers preaching and teaching within my neighbourhood what i was taught so if you refer to the global family as YOU (collectively) it makes sense but with which group are you convinced that you understood the passage in question so that you can now say "we are waiting"?

This is very very important because the JWs claimed they understood the passage based on their doctrines that some of their members are now with Jesus in heaven feeding their earthly members and what is their evidence? Jesus foretold they are like one family even though the dead ones who are born again (little flock) among them are in heaven {Luke 12:32} while the greater number are on planet earth they're serving their God unitedly as one flock under one shepherd {John 10:16} having the same line of thought globally! John 17:22

Please tell me (not us) the name of that group with which you have the same line of thought regarding sacred secrets found in God's word so that by observing the fruitage of such a group {Matthew 7:16-18} i may have a second thought regarding the interpretation of the JWs?

Ọmọ time is running out, this is the time to get your lamp fueled otherwise darkness is coming when billions will trash their faith due to the impending great tribulation, arguing blindly just because you're seeing faithless miscreants around you criticizing God's organization won't help you!

God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE but if you want to dispute it present a group that's unitedly doing God's will just as Jesus foretold {John 17 20-23} because in the absence of that ọmọ Satan has blinded your mind along with those arguing against God's organization o! 2Corinthians 4:4

So?

Rekhina:
Christians won't show up because they are worthless

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sagenaija:
The level of comprehension of you guys is well known. It's easier for you guys to regurgitate what your Governing Board says than look at a simple passage and explain it.

When you make a statement such as the highlighted it simply exposes your level of cognition.

Again, if you guys can add what you will to the Bible and adjust whatever portion of it to suit your dogma, what else can you not do?

The Bible CLEARLY says the throne was set in heaven. But you now have a better understanding than the rest of us. So, you're now telling us that "context doesn't count" but what we should see is "rather overview of the Bible's message".

Please clap for yourself, wonderful Bible scholar.
Janosky your brother should also clap for you.

Ọmọ the highlighted really amuses me because i wasn't born a JW rather i accepted the overview of Bible's message which is the truth instead of picking a portion like you churchgoers will do then each of you just pick a sect that suit your thinking.
NO! I formerly believe that all good people will go to heaven until JWs proved to me that God's purpose in the beginning is everlasting life on planet earth. I agreed because God will not trash His purpose for the error of mankind His purpose must stand! Isaiah 55:11
So if Jesus now promised humans life in heaven that must be a new arrangement and Jesus himself explained that beneficiaries will become spirit beings like angels which makes perfect sense since flesh and blood doesn't live in heaven.
So stop calling it my dogma rather it's the truth that none of you can dispute as you're only arguing blindly just to prove you have a point whereas you can't explain further how humans are going to live in the land of spirits without being spirits (angels)

You have answered the question but you only followed what was written in the Bible to give your answer just as a mathematician who gave the answer his teacher told him without knowing how to work out the solution in a practical sense!

We need God for just one thing: the PEACE that surpasses all understanding!

Paul told first century Christians in Philipi:

and the PEACE of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus Philippians 4:7

And through whom can anyone have this type of PEACE?

Jesus said:

I leave you peace; I give you my peace. I do not give it to you the way that the world gives it. Do not let your hearts be troubled nor let them shrink out of fear. John 14:27

Now listen to the sacred secret!

Right from the garden of Eden Satan has won the heart of majority of mankind he is their choice as ruler so it's his system of rule that majority of mankind prefer rather than God's system of rule. That's why the scriptures say Satan is the prince of the world {John 14:30} he offered Jesus a chance to rule the world with him {Luke 4:5-7} but Jesus rejected Satan's system of rule {John 6:15} that's why Paul could refer to Satan as the god of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} and John called Satan the evil one in whose hands the whole world lies! 1John 5:19

Anyone looking at politics for the solution to mankind's problems today can't have a rest of mind because disappointments will always come from all sides but whoever rely on what Jesus taught us about God's Kingdom will have a hope of a brighter future knowing fully well that Jesus has conquered {John 16:33} and that sooner he's coming to take over the kingdom (government) of this world! Daniel 2:44; Matthew 6:10

That is the only way to real PEACE, all those anticipating a better condition through politics will continue to experience grief! Luke 21:25

So if you want the real PEACE find the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) today and let us teach you how we are always relaxed no matter what happens in the world under Satan's control! John 12:31

sagenaija:
Disingenuous Janosky!
According to Rev. 4:2, where was the throne with the 24 elders? On earth or in heaven?
Chapter 7 verse 9 started with "After this....." In other words, after the events he had just narrated. And he went on to talk about the throne. So, Janosky, when did the throne that John saw "set in heaven" according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth? Do you see where CONTEXT comes in again?

Revelations was written in parables because it's Jesus' own words that John was penning down! Revelations 1:1-2

So context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message which is Godly peace both in heaven (for the 144,000) and on earth (for the great crowd) because they're all standing in God's presence (before the throne of God)

James 2:18-26

Grace simply means undeserved kindness and it's only for those who have proved faithful in the way they found Christ as they sold all the things they had to support Christ in his WORKS that God chose to become BORN AGAIN. John 3:3-5

So if those not ready to sell everything they have the grace (undeserved kindness) doesn't belong to them! Luke 18:18-23

Are you a high ranking member of any known political movement?
Do you own a business that's really big and financially stable?
Do you have a strong family attachment that's so dear to you?
Do you have a career that's well appreciated everywhere you go?

These are the things you must let go to join Jesus' group and start living a new life in Christ with just one hope: whether things go well for you regarding food, clothing and shelter or you just have to keep managing with other born again Christians {Romans 8:35-39} you must rely on what Jesus promised his spirit filled brothers which has nothing to do with physical things here but in heaven! Matthew 6:19-21

Those are the type of people God often choose to become part of the GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS) family.
They have become a new creature as if they're dead completely to everything in the world, wife, children, families have no meaning to them anymore except the kingdom hope in heaven as promised by Christ Jesus! Matthew 19:27-29

So the GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS) to be part of the first resurrection of limited number of faithful Christians becomes their reward {Revelations 20:6} all the people who lived before John the baptist can't qualify for these privilege because they were attached to those things a BORN AGAIN Christian must let go {Matthew 11:11} for instance immediately John the baptist realized that Jesus is the Christ he supposed to forgo his assignment (preparing a way for the Christ) and join Jesus' group but instead he introduced his disciples to Christ Jesus {John 1:35-39} and continue the job that has become obsolete. If he's to prepare the way for Christ and the Christ has come of what benefit is his assignment again?
That's why his ministry and disciples began decreasing while Jesus' disciples and ministry continue growing bigger! John 3:25-30

This is why John's ministry ended abruptly with his death and surely he will be remembered during the resurrection of the dead because he is the greatest of all men before his time but all those that followed Jesus Christ to learn how to rule with the Christ are greater than him {Matthew 11:11} because they will become part of the 144,000 first fruit of God's Kingdom to rule with Christ in heaven.


That is what the GRACE is all about not that they will not have WORKS to prove their FAITH in Christ Jesus! James 2:18-26

brocab:
So are you ready to learn and seek the truth?

John 8:44

Both of them obeyed the rules accordingly!

Uriah knew it's wrong for a soldier to sleep with his wife when his colleagues are at the warfront, according to the rule of the military they should be together in spirit so when the army is at war all soldiers under that command should be praying and fasting fervently until the war is over. Leviticus 15:16
Joab also was faithful to his commander. He doesn't know what Uriah has done wrong and Uriah was a Hittite tribe once wiped out by the Israelites {Deuteronomy 20:17} perhaps Uriah was a secret agent working for their enemies so such order from a superior in the army must be taken with faith believing it's in the interest of all.

At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” Genesis 3:4-5

After the rebellion in the garden of Eden most humans wants to become gods over their fellow humans that is what led to slavery. Proverbs 22:7
So until God's Kingdom comes slavery will always be part of Satan's system of rule because without some humans serving as gods {Psalms 82:6} over their fellowman Satan's agents/worshipers have nothing to gain as they have no hope of a resurrection.
Paul the apostle admonished his brothers in the faith not to think of ending slavery through a revolution rather they should continue praying for God's Kingdom where everyone will have all things equal:

They will build houses and live in them, And they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build for someone else to inhabit, Nor will they plant for others to eat. For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, And the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full They will not toil for nothing, Nor will they bear children for distress, Because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah, And their descendants with them! Isaiah 65:21-23

Today Satan's agents have modernized slavery so that many are still working really hard just for few to enjoy all the benefits while the ones laboring and their children are hopeless and helpless their masters (gods) are living like kings with their children. Ecclesiastes 4:1

All these will end when God's kingdom come until then true Christians who have the opportunity to have the means should know that it's like a snare for them {1Corinthians 7:31} because if care is not taken the power of riches may make them undermine their God {Proverbs 30:8-9} just as Satan promised Adam and Eve to forget about God and do whatever pleases them after all they themselves have become gods on their own! Genesis 3:4-5

MightySparrow:
I am proudly not among Jaws. I admit my own truth and that is it. Pentecostal of the pentecost.
I am not one of you. Ire o.

Farewell!

MightySparrow:
Meaning your truth is truer than all other truths right?

Anyhow you like to put it just know that i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses our truth regarding worship is not interchangeable it's either you're one of us to be a worshiper of our God or you're not a worshiper of our God if you aren't worshiping with us!
That doesn't make you our enemy it's just that when talking about our family in the house of faith you're not among!

MightySparrow:
People crossing from JW to pentecostal and vice versa. What have left and what have they found? Is the truth lost? When you left Islam you left falsehood ( Antichristian shaking his head) and you found your truth shey?
Truth is a personal commodity for the now.
I have not lost faith o.
Jesus is the last bus stop
The end of all search and research.

I only answered your question i have nothing to do with none JWs when it comes to matters having to do with FAITH so if you feel your God welcome all forms of worship/religion in Jesus name that's your own opinion to me only JWs worship my own God!

OK nah!

brocab:
{Luke 11:42} “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
So you see Max: the Word of God is for all man kind to learn and obey all what's written in the bible: so it's not worth your wild, jumping up and down; every time you hear the sound of trumpets and God's true believers are coming to play the Word of God on line, so it aren't worth mouthing off: 'name calling against God's true people One must be Born Again..

MightySparrow:
With all this epistle one thing you have said is your personal and community truth.

MightySparrow:
Hahaha hehehe huhuhu hihihi

That's what unites people from all races today making us one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.
Thank you!

sagenaija:
How has this answered my question to Janosky?
Follow my post. Don't second guess. What single word have I been mentioning?

Humans aren't going to heaven except those chosen and they will live there as spirits!

Sand2022:
We're saying the same thing. The number is yet to be filled up.

Our God started selecting from among Jesus' disciples throughout the dark ages until 1914 that Jesus returned to the earth and choose the Watchtower organization. So ever since then it's only within that group God is selecting the rest of the numbers though i'm not one of the chosen.

MightySparrow:
Like Sango is the god of thunder and when invoked, it produces indisputable destruction. The adherents by experience know this.
MaximumSide, is your own organization's ' truth' truer than those Catholic devotees who claimed to have see Virgin Mary' s apparition in Edo stare? What is your truth?

According to a first century Jewish carpenter called "Jesus of Nazareth" who claims he possesses ultimate truth {John 14:6} the truth irritates the ruler of this world {John 8:44} so majority of earth's inhabitants will hate whoever loves or says the truth {John 15:19} but no matter what the Prince of this world do lovers of truth will discover it {John 8:32} and it will help them to search for their kind {Matthew 10:6} in order for them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} because truth will make them have the same line of thought globally! John 17:20-23

So Jesus promised all truth seekers that they'll see a sign as proof of their uprightness which is having families and homes awaiting them anywhere they go throughout the world {Matthew 19:27-29} because the truth will unite them in love {John 13:34-35} and there will be peace among them! John 14:27

This can't be disputed globally no matter what any critic want to say! Isaiah 54:17

The truth is indisputable fact!

Image123:
You need that brain of yours that was snatched from your head at the sad hall. This is so funny it is sad.

Present a group of worshipers claiming Christians who doesn't support WARS {Matthew 26:52} hate either their neighbours or fellow believers due to politics! Mark 12:28-31

Only students of the Watchtower organization have stood out while the rest are still out there fighting and killing both neighbours and fellow believers due to racism and politics! Revelations 6:3-4

So only JWs are sharing life saving messages the rest only honour the Prince of Peace with their mouths their hearts are far removed from him! Matthew 15:8-9

sonmvayina:
Lol...have I ever denied that.

He creates light and darkness
He makes peace and evil...

He does everything...

He is the creator, everything belongs to him...

But worshipping idols is not what he made us to do...he is a jealous creator...

With the highlighted nobody needs to be corrected for anything because that's the way your god made them!

Image123:
Do you think anyone today can share life saving messages today without sharing Awake?

They can't if they're not students trained by the Watchtower the publishers of Awake!

The mark is anything having to do with POLITICS.
Only those having membership card are given contracts and can import or export in large quantities all others are like underdogs without the political membership card (666)

Image123:
The needful is certainly not sharing Awake. Jesus Christ or Peter or John never shared Awake you know?

But they shared life saving messages the best way they can, do you know?