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sonmvayina:
How did you arrive at all these from reading the verse I posted?
Meeen....you are so dumb...

If your god is ruling presently then its to blame for all the atrocities going on in the world.
Next time you quote me know that i'm doing nothing wrong after all everything is the work of your god so don't come telling me anyone is practicing idolatry since it's all the handiwork of your god.

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

Insanity is part of the things that came along with imperfection after Adam and Eve sinned against God so just like death many of our relatives are mentally deranged due to the sin in the world.
So to find out what is their portion because you asked the question with the aim of knowing how these ones could be saved since they're unable to worship God due to their condition. The first thing we need to think about is how Jesus treated mad people around him.
Jesus cured many of such ones and restore them to perfect health, this means that such ones have nothing to answer for errors (sin) as they're unable to discern between right and wrong, it's after they've been cured of insanity that their line of actions count before God.

All loved ones dead or insane their hope lies in what you choose to do with faith in Christ Jesus because they may not regain their sanity again till their death but if you fight the good battle of faith your tears in Paradise will move God to bring back your loved ones who have died as God promised that He will remove every tears from our eyes {Revelations 21:3-5} such promise can't be fulfilled when your loved ones are missing in Paradise.

So if anyone makes you happy in righteousness today their reward will be in Paradise as you lift up your eyes to remind God of those who helped you to be righteous but died ignorantly in false religions or those who helped you in righteousness but later lost their sanity in this system of things Go will bring all of them back so that your tears now may turn to great joy in Paradise.

Please fight the good fight of faith now because their salvation is tied to your obedience. All those mad people you're seeing presently will regain their sanity immediately Jesus Christ begin ruling the earth but sane people who turned their backs on Jesus' group will be exterminated! Luke 19:27

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

What does the Pharisees and Sadducees have in their beliefs that Jesus warned his disciples against?

Image123:
Michael or no Michael, are you born again? The thief on Calvary and millions of other saints don't need to know the identity of Michael to spend eternity with Jesus Christ. Do you have what they had? Faith in Jesus Christ, repentance from sin, a broken spirit, a clean heart. JW and koboko can sit and argue about words till 2030, do you have the needful?

You really made a lot of sense apart from the born again stuff which is not necessary for our salvation, are you doing the needful?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Not a single place in scripture is a relationship — direct or indirect — drawn between the character that is Micheal, and the person of Jesus Christ. Anyone who is able to prove me wrong should provide scripture where Jesus Christ is directly connected to Michael, the character from Israel's part and stories.

Faithless miscreants like you also disagree with Jesus when he walked the earth and what was the result you people end up isolating yourself without having any form of worship or doctrine that's for collective appraisal.
Each of you just feel like establishing his or her own personal opinion calling organized and orderly setting all sorts of names.
Even the OP here is a Deeperlifer you're also of the opinion that the leader is a scam and all his members are moRons so baby girl go and please yourself!

Kobojunkie:
Not a single place in scripture is a relationship — direct or indirect — drawn between the character that is Micheal, and the person of Jesus Christ.

Perhaps you're blind to the below scriptures!

Janosky:
[b]Whose voice resurrects the dead?
1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28, confirmed it's Jesus Christ.

Who is the Serpent?
Satan is the original serpent.Genesis 3:15, Revelation 12:7-9

Who defeated the original Serpent?
Genesis 3:15, Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8 confirmed it's Jesus Christ.

Who is the leader of angels to battle & victory?
Daniel 10:13, Matthew 25:31, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 , Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8 confirmed it's Jesus Christ.

What about Jude 1:9?
An angel made the statement copied from Zechariah 3:2 saying "Jehovah rebuke you".

The New Testament translators removed the Tetragramatton "YHWH" Jehovah (God the Father of Jesus) and put "Lord" @ Jude1:9 to deceive Christendom sheeples. .

@ Zechariah 3:2 & Jude1:9, an angel says "Jehovah rebuke Satan" using God's word in the same manner Jesus used Matthew 4:10 he quoted from Deuteronomy 6:13 to rebuke Satan

Christendom is familiar with the truth that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
Screenshot PROVEN evidences[/b]

sonmvayina:
Daniel 4;14..
Makes a good reading ..

The true God only permits Satan and his agents until the Christ comes to establish righteous rule! Genesis 49:10; Isaiah 9:6-7

God permits Satan and his agents God's word declared that the Almighty still have the final say. That's why He (God) told Satan "you must not kill Job" {Job 2:6} left alone Satan wants to destroy the faith of those keeping integrity to God but commanded him because if he overstep his boundary God will instantly restore the life of His faithful servants rendering Satan useless. John 11:4&43-44

So God has the final say but Satan is the ruler of the world using faithless ones who are loyal to him as agents!

Kobojunkie:
Michael ,and his personal army of angels, are mythical characters in a story much like the reference to Hell and the Bosom of Abraham in the parable Lazarus and the rich man.
There may have in fact been a prince of Israel named Michael at a time, but after that a myth was created around his person and used in telling of stories.

No place to hide for faithlessness.

Michael is the same spirit being who came as Jesus Christ!

It's not unusual seeing people agitate when you question their beliefs but you may be surprised that Jesus himself did so when he walked the earth, he asked thought provoking questions regarding the beliefs of Judaists:

Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them: “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him: “David’s.” He asked them: “How is it, then, that David under inspiration calls him Lord, saying, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’?  If, then, David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, and from that day on, no one dared to question him any further! Matthew 22:41-46

From the above quote it's clear that Jesus often use questions to reach the heart of his listeners but we shouldn't forget that Jesus himself was born a Jew and his parents raised him as a religious Jew so it wasn't wrong for him to ask those apparently older than him what seems difficult.
As an atheist if you want to ask someone a question about his or her faith please do so with respect because that will show you care to know what your neighbour has in mind for or against those who don't share his beliefs.
But when you start by insulting the person or mocking him then there's no way you can expect a warmly welcome with your questions.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses you are free to ask me any questions that comes to your mind, one thing that's sure is most critics of the truth often gets frustrated and at the end they turn their so called light seeking to verbal abuse despite the fact that the believer RESPECTFULLY held onto his or her faith!

Spare124:
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Bro/sis
Honestly I have tried praying,but for now I'm now I'm not working due to the accident I had recently,feeding myself as been impossible.
I'm not lazy neither am I a scam

I understand you but how about your family in the spirit?
Jesus promised:

"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit everlasting life". Matthew 19:29

A Christian may loose any or all his relatives but then people who are members of the body of Christ will take care of him or her as our family member.
When you come to social media like this asking for financial assistance it's an insult to the God of Abraham whose words i quoted for you earlier.
I don't know your religion but i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses you can never ever find a member of my congregation asking for financial assistance from people he never knew because his brothers and sisters are ever ready to help as our brother in the house of faith. Galatians 6:10

Apart from your personal opinion what is not delusion to you?

Kobojunkie:
CHHEEZZUUUSSS!
See delusion abeg!

Kobojunkie:
In a vision, Daniel reports of having seen one who looked very much like a human being in Heaven coming down from Heaven.
And about 2000 years ago, Scripture records that Jesus Christ ascended into the Heavens clothed in flesh and blood. So, where in the world does this lie that no flesh and blood can enter into Heaven come from abeg? And when exactly did Jesus Christ, who went up into Heaven as flesh and blood shed His human body to become only of spirit matter?

Daniel saw this in a vision and the reason why the spirit person {Michael) was seen as a son of man is because that's the first time an angel will be born as a child in the midst of humans {Isaiah 9:6} as for Jesus' body it's the SACRIFICE for sin it's not retrievable after he offered the sacrifice, only spirit beings live in the spirit realms that's why Jesus told his disciples that those going to heaven will become like angels! Luke 20:34-36

Spare124:
The king of kings....
Please guys I ñeed anyone to help me 500N
As small as it is, it can literally safe my life this moment

Psalms 23:1; 37:25

terrezo2002:
I no get power to argue jaare. Did God not say you should worship Him alone? Abi did He tell you to worship another?
Concentrate on the topic and stop fault finding

I only asked a question but if you don't have the answer no wahala i can understand!

Kobojunkie:
Flesh and blood does not live in Heaven yet Jesus Christ went up to Heaven packing flesh and blood?

If you want to learn ask direct question and we will TEACH you even though you don't want to subject yourself to any form of teaching but setting your own standard that doesn't mean we shouldn't come to your aid when you need help with the understanding of the scriptures.

The body Jesus died with has been taken away by the angels who were there to take away the sacrifice which is his flesh and blood offered for the sin of mankind, that body doesn't belong to him again because it was borrowed at birth to serve as the sacrificial lamb.

So after Jesus' resurrection he returned to his former life and body before coming to earth which is a spiritual body but how can his friends who can't understand what was happening be assured that Jesus is now alive as a person? That's why he put on a materialized body just as he did when visiting Abraham as God's representative {Genesis 18:1-2} they ate physical food in that body {Genesis 18:8} but they don't sleep because that body is not subjected to tiredness needing sleep. That's why Paul admonished his Christian brothers to continue being hospitable because by doing so Abraham unknowingly entertained angels! Hebrews 13:2

So Jesus never returned to heaven with physical body of flesh and blood {1Corinthians 15:45} he only put on a form of body so that his followers may be prepared for the preaching of the good news that resurrection has been stamped for righteous people.

May you have PEACE!

terrezo2002:
2 Kings 17:36 But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.

The narrator is talking to a race whose ancestors were brought up out of the land of Egypt!
Please were your own ancestors part of those mentioned?

Were angels created to live on planet earth?

The earth was created for humans to inhabit {Psalms 115:16} angels were created to inhabit heaven {Matthew 18:10} so when Jesus wanted his disciples to know what will happen regarding everlasting life he made it clear:

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them" Matthew 5:3

The Kingdom (government) of God belongs to these limited number {Luke 12:32} so they're going to heaven with the King (Christ) as his co-rulers! John 14:1-4

“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth" Matthew 5:5

The subjects of God's Kingdom will live forever on planet earth because they have already humbled themselves after understanding God's plan for salvation {Psalms 37:29} their humility and subjection to righteous rule Jesus established will save them {Zephaniah 2:2-3} when Jesus order his attendants (angels) to exterminate all those opposing his system of rule! Luke 19:27

Jesus said those going to heaven must become angels {Luke 20:34-36} because flesh and blood don't live in heaven! 1Corinthians 15:50

sagenaija:
According to your logic too, the angels standing around the throne in Rev. 7:11 were not doing so in heaven. Abi?

When I repeatedly say context, context, context, it seems your puny brain refuses to trigger a reasoning mode.

OK nah!

brocab:
Nothing seems to be your calling: if you aren't Born again as the Word of God had explained it-then you are not saved.

Not my calling!

brocab:
Are you still around Max: I thought maybe you had prayed to become Born again:

OK nah!

TenQ:
Your case is closed.

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

God's presence is not everywhere for now but after Satan, demons, false prophets and faithless generation of people are no more God will turn His attention to mankind in general, that's why John saw the multitude standing in God's presence (before God's throne)

TenQ:
Gods presence is EVERYWHERE

PREACHING and TEACHING without being sent by anyone. Really pathetic!

Standing before God's throne in that context means standing in God's presence!

TenQ:
As reminder
You fake doctrine cannot withstand any iota of inquisition or questioning: can you see how simple bible truths turn you into jellyfish?
Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is
Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."
Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

TenQ:
Your case is concluded dear by the scriptures.
Struggle all you want, it doesn't change anything

OK nah!

MrCodeSolo:
a religious following founded on lies and just like that; a bright shinning light struck Paul down with madness and confusion that made him knew no other place to turn to but headed to Arabia' to do what exactly? part 2 of this thread below is on the way soon as i would love to know you bible people thoughts on it.
https://www.nairaland.com/7522633/pour-out-spirit-series-part1

Some critics may quote a scripture out of context and give you a wrong application but you need to discuss with the real Christians first to hear from both side before running to conclusion.
Jesus met Paul on the road to Damascus and attacked him but later told him to go and meet the disciples to regain his sight and get further information on how to carry on with his job which was fighting for pure worship! Act 9:1-15

He later became a missionary and that's why he travelled to many places preaching, teaching and establishing congregations in the name of Christ Jesus.

The letters he wrote is to refresh the minds of members of the different congregations he formed in those places because Jesus made Paul their Apostle:

But the Lord said to (Ananias): “Go! because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel". Act 9:15

As they were ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: “Set aside for me Barʹna·bas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Act 13:2

For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth. 1Timothy 2:7

Now I speak to you who are people of the nations. Seeing that I am an apostle to the nations, I glorify my ministry. Romans 11:13

If you want to discuss this just find JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES we will be glad to study the Bible with you.

May you have PEACE!

TenQ:
I didn't ask you further questions did I?
The scripture has dealt with you sir as your grammar is in vain. Didn't you get that?

Ọmọ i've heard you it's just that there can't be judgment without thorough explanation of what is written in the scriptures that's why Jesus told his disciples to go PREACHING and TEACHING! Matthew 28:20

Janosky:
Will God wipe away tears where none exists?
Revelation 7:17 knocked out your GIBBERISH.

When discussing with misinformed Churchgoers i always manage not to laugh at their stupidity just imagine someone saying:

TenQ:
I did not ask you of any explanation: the scripture has already judged you?

How on earth could the scriptures (unexplained) be the judge?
Even Jesus (God's Son) knew very well that in the absence of thorough explanation to reach the earth of listeners no one could be judged simply by reading out scriptures.
The thief executed alongside Jesus was a Jew yet he lived as a criminal, why didn't the scriptures judge him at least all Jews knew through the Mosaic that God forbids stealing?

Ọmọ i don't bother myself with misinformed Churchgoers if they're ready for real deal let them present the group practicing what they're preaching because that's what will prove they're doing the work of preaching and TEACHING to reach the heart of listers not just quoting scriptures out of context without thorough explanation!

You quoted verses out of context instead of asking questions to know what you missed.
Paul was led to the Apostles after he met Jesus {Act 9:27} and several times when issues arises himself and Barnabas went to the apostles in Jerusalem! Act 15:2

So Paul was narrating another event which he doesn't feel the need to go to the apostles!

MrCodeSolo:
And so was Paul the Apostle who also never one of the 12 Jesus disciples...what kind spirit chased him to arabia? upon his alleged encounter of the morning star. Why didn't he show himself to the disciples before him in Jerusalem? What was Paul doing in Arabia for 3yrs after his alleged encounter with the morning star?(See. Job 38:7, Revelation 22:16)
https://www.nairaland.com/7522633/pour-out-spirit-series-part1

And still, there are so many cross-referenced biblical verses that exposes how Paul contradicts Jesus. Being a former Judaism-scholar he was, boastfully tongue-twisted Jesus true and divine message... And i can still see till today every churchy people carrying the same boastfulness of Paul the Apostle, thinking they have cracked the divine message from God Almighty. Don't give me Paul's ( a former bounty-hunter, executioner) own version of the gospel oooh.... I won't accept it...Stop! Worshiping Jesus as God! for God Almighty cannot stoop so low to be borne out of a woman's farjaha nor to begot anyone. See Sura 112:3-4, He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.

On how one becomes a child of God:

Paul says:
Rom.8
[23] and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Gal.4
[5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

Jesus says:
John.3
[3] Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is begotten from above,* he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, and that which is begotten of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Do not marvel that I said to you, `You must be begotten from above.*

* John 3:3 and 3:7 are the author's translations. These differ from the RSV only in the expression "begotten from above" that replaces "born anew' in the RSV. "Born anew" does not represent the fullness of what Jesus is stating here, and does not correspond to the literal translation of the Greek, anothen (a()nwqen).

On the number and identity of teachers:

Paul says:
1Cor.12
[28] And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third, teachers,
Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
1Tim.2
[7] For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
2Tim.1
[11] For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,


Jesus says:
Matt.23
[8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.



On being justified:

Paul says:
Rom.3
[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.


Jesus says:
Matt.12
[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.


On the God of the dead:

Paul says:
Rom.14
[9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Jesus says:
Luke.20
[38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;


On the time of the coming of the Lord:

Paul says:
Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.


Jesus says:
Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.

sonmvayina:
How many people listen to them/you..?

In our concluded assembly 92 persons got baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses just in one circuit. So it's unbelievers like you that's left behind millions are studying the Bible with us throughout the world!

sonmvayina:
Lol..
Suit yourself..

Forever suited as one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

sonmvayina:
Nothing!

So you have no point!

Jonah was relating a miraculous event that is not logical so you can't judge from a logical reasoning. Jonah might have been reduced to the size of an ant immediately he landed in water so any fish will surely look like a very big fish to him!