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OLAADEGBU:
The bible reference you quote says something else in your NWT bible and that is the reason you will not type those words here. Don't change the subject. Respond to Courz's questions or forever hold your peace.

https://www.nairaland.com/5375247/why-jehovahs-witnesses-hate-king
https://www.nairaland.com/7156161/watchtower-organisation-trustworthy-interpreter-scripture
https://www.nairaland.com/7156083/bad-translations-jehovahs-witness-bible

Wilgrea7:
Of course. I agree with that.
Several problems here. First of all, Isaac Newton never claimed to know everything about gravity. I have no idea where you got that impression.
Ok.. This is pretty funny. First of all, No one ever said Newton is the maker of gravity. You're making it sound like Newton woke up one morning and decided.. "Hey, let me say gravity is this and that" and people just decided to go along with him. That's not how the scientific method works.
Whatever theory you have is tested and verified multiple times, on multiple occasions before it is accepted as true. And even then, it is still subject to change if someone discovers compelling evidence that contradicts it. That's how Einstein's theory of gravity came to be.
No one in the scientific community accepts any explanation hook, line and sinker without demanding for proof, or evidence of such claims. I think you're describing the wrong community here. How does someone's opinion on life determine whether or not I have to believe in them? Also, there's a difference between "A god said this", and "someone said that a god said this". Most stories revolving gods in religion fall into the second category.

By magic, I assume you mean things termed as "supernatural". I made a thread about it recently, and why supernatural or as you would put them "magical" events don't serve as proof of a god. It's way too long to post here, but I encourage you to check it out, and possibly give your opinion on it too.
If you want to be my Isaac Newton, you need to provide proofs for your claims. Testable, verifiable proof. And not just word of mouth.
And what exactly would that be?

If you're talking about consciousness, No i don't understand it. It's still a mystery to us. Once again, swallowing things hook, line and sinker isn't a characteristic of the scientific community. Secondly, anybody that claims to know the reason behind consciousness, needs to provide some sort of proof of it. Stories about why we are different are still stories until they are proven true.
If i told you that the reason we're different from animals in terms of consciousness is because the we have something in our skin which absorbs invisible non-uv rays from the sun, would you believe me? Whatever claim anyone makes, they need to be backed by verifiable evidence. Or else they're just claims.

OLAADEGBU:
Why should I give you bible references when I know quite well that your final authority is from your Watchtower literature?

Wilgrea7:
On to God. You said God was a spirit. On what basis, or knowledge did you draw this conclusion? Your statement "God is a spirit" implies 2 things.

1. There exists a God, singular
2. He/she/It is a spirit

You need to show reasons for this conclusion. Effects of something and nature of something are 2 completely different things. We can feel and measure the effect of gravity. But we still do not yet understand it's nature. We know what it does. We don't know why.

You're shifting the goal post once again. I'm not talking about a purpose in life, or why people should live in harmony with each other. That's not the subject of this debate. The subject is about the existence of a "supreme God" in the sense you have described, which you've failed to prove to me.

Animals do not have the mental capacity to care about peaceful coexistence. They don't have the ability to reason like humans can. They are driven primarily by their instincts. It has nothing to do with a god

Courz:
Mr I am a CIA Agent all over the world, were you part of the CIA team that uncovered the Satanic Rituals that happened numerous times right in Underground tunnels under the Brooklyn Bethel Headquarters before it was sold to Donald Trump's Son in law? Were you part of them? What are your credentials? What groundbreaking things have you done?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAwzQk_rERA

MaxInDHouse:
Double walahi for deadi bodi and the owner of them bodi

We don win am! we don win am!

From FREEMASON to CULT to RITUALS to BUSINESS EMPIRE but there's no way to get rid of all the fine WORKS of God's organization. Matthew 5:11-16; 7:16-18

Ó mà ṣeo!
What a pity?

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the light of the world!

OLAADEGBU:
Let us get these terms clear.
(i). You may accuse those exposing your diabolic works as apostates to the JW's cause but they are instruments God is using to set free those who are still held captives in your kingdom halls.
(ii). The one you refer to as your 'Master' is no other one than Lucifer. We do not serve the same Lord and King.
(iii). The false accusers of my Lord Jesus had no evidence to back up their allegations but that is not the case with your organisation.
(iv). It is blasphemous and an insult for you to compare your plight with that of my Lord and Master, Jesus Christ. There is no reason for comparison.
There was no truth to those allegations unlike the ones you are yet to defend.
You will be better off speaking about your lord and master, lucifer.
It is well known that satanists quote from their satanists bible as you are afraid to type out what your NWT says in those references you gave, knowing that they are different from the authorised version.

OLAADEGBU:
MaxInDHouse's armour is certainly cracking and disintegrating by the minute as he now has nowhere to hide.

Wilgrea7:
You didn't answer my questions... You just responded with a completely different and unrelated question

I asked you what you meant by research... And how to carry out said research... I didn't ask what topics to do the research on... You're not answering my questions... You're trying to shift the goal post here

Courz:
Shut up Mad MaxInDHouse! I posted a video by a Freemason JW in the Are Jehovah's witnesses tied to Freemasons thread talking about how Charles Taze Russell together with other Freemasons invested money to form Watchtower. They are the shareholders! DUM DUM. Any profits Watchtower makes goes to them and their descendants. Any voluntary contributions from JWs goes to the Shareholders and their descendants! DUM DUM! You be big fool!! Why didn't you read and understand all what I posted in that thread? You were busy gallivanting about talking about Show me a better performing group, we are the best! You couldn't read and watch videos before Watchtower will send thunder to strike you for reading apostate material! grin grin
A former CIA agent has written books upon books on the real people running things in the whole world including the History of Freemasons. A CIA agent knows more about Freemasons than anybody! A CIA agent connived with Freemason JWs to expose the Satanic nature of Watchtower from its inception. A CIA agent has done thorough research and investigation on Watchtower and has written books on everything. Everything about the family history of Charles Taze Russell, this CIA agent knows! All the Ritual sites Watchtower does their rituals, this CIA agent knows! But here you are, A big fool that could be typing from one face me I face you, boasting about and even denying all the investigations this CIA agent has done. You are a Fool. Watchtower has really sacrificed your brain to Lucifer! What book have you written? Where are your credentials? You who says History is useless talking about CIA. Dreamer!

Courz:
Shut up Mad MaxInDHouse! I posted a video by a Freemason JW in the Are Jehovah's witnesses tied to Freemasons thread talking about how Charles Taze Russell together with other Freemasons invested money to form Watchtower. They are the shareholders! DUM DUM. Any profits Watchtower makes goes to them and their descendants. Any voluntary contributions from JWs goes to the Shareholders and their descendants! DUM DUM! You be big fool!! Why didn't you read and understand all what I posted in that thread? You were busy gallivanting about talking about Show me a better performing group, we are the best! You couldn't read and watch videos before Watchtower will send thunder to strike you for reading apostate material!
A former CIA agent has written books upon books on the real people running things in the whole world including the History of Freemasons. A CIA agent knows more about Freemasons than anybody! A CIA agent connived with Freemason JWs to expose the Satanic nature of Watchtower from its inception. A CIA agent has done thorough research and investigation on Watchtower and has written books on everything. Everything about the family history of Charles Taze Russell, this CIA agent knows! All the Ritual sites Watchtower does their rituals, this CIA agent knows! But here you are, A big fool that could be typing from one face me I face you, boasting about and even denying all the investigations this CIA agent has done. You are a Fool. Watchtower has really sacrificed your brain to Lucifer! What book have you written? Where are your credentials? You who says History is useless talking about CIA. Dreamer!

Courz:
Shut up your mouth, Mad MaxInDHouse! Shut up!!! A former CIA agent has written books upon books on the real people running things in the whole world including the History of Freemasons. A CIA agent knows more about Freemasons than anybody! A CIA agent connived with Freemason JWs to expose the Satanic nature of Watchtower from its inception. A CIA agent has done thorough research and investigation on Watchtower and has written books on everything. Everything about the family history of Charles Taze Russell, this CIA agent knows! All the Ritual sites Watchtower does their rituals, this CIA agent knows! But here you are, A big fool that could be typing from one face me I face you, boasting about and even denying all the investigations this CIA agent has done. You are a Fool. Watchtower has really sacrificed your brain to Lucifer! What book have you written? Where are your credentials? You who says History is useless talking about CIA. Dreamer!

OLAADEGBU:
I must say that you are doing MaxInDHouse's head in with the way you constantly expose the facts even what he originally thinks and not typing out. You deserve an award for this ingenuity.

Wilgrea7:
1. Why do you equate a first cause, to a God?
2. Why singular? Why can't it be plural?
3. Why does this "God" have to be supreme? Why can't a god have another god above it? Must something necessarily be the first cause to cause something else?

Also, you still haven't addressed my point on what you mean by "research", and how exactly it should be carried out

Courz:
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. At the bolded, what manner of joke is this? You, agent of the CIA, in many different countries? You who said knowing the history of something is useless. You who asked what is the harm Cult and Freemasonry is doing to society? You who is Working and dedicating your life, your health and your brain to a Business disguised as a Religion and you didn't know about it until I came on board? You didn't know about their Politics involvement until I came on board? You didn't know about their Satanic Rituals which was also Exposed by a Former CIA agent until I came on board? You didn't know about their Real Estate Business Until I came on board? You didn't know it is a Freemason Cult which was also revealed by a former CIA agent until I came on board? You didn't know the dealings of Watchtower with the CIA? You didn't know all Kingdom Halls in the world belong to Watchtower even though JWs paid to build them until I came on board? You didn't know about the Monthly tithes you JWs pay as Contributions until I came on board? You didn't know about the Shareholders who are Freemasons owning your voluntary contributions Until I came on board? And you call yourself a CIA agent? Chai!!! You just shot yourself in the foot again!!! You should be ashamed of yourself!! You are truly delusional! Try making underground discoveries of Watchtower same way this Former CIA made all these discoveries of Watchtower. Then we will believe that you are truly a CIA agent. You are a big fool for wishing you are a CIA agent!!

Wilgrea7:
I'm curious. How would you describe "research" .... In this case, unbiased and objective research.

Courz:
Watchtower is a Billion dollar Corporation. Billion Dollar! Who made them this rich in this Satanic world? Watchtower is not a religion o! Charles Taze Russell knows exactly what he formed! The founder knows what he formed. A Business. JWS are working for free for a Business Corporation and get nothing in return! They give so much to Watchtower even make Watchtower rich, Watchtower gives them nothing in return! Scam!! Mad MaxInDHouse does not want to believe it even when faced with overwhelming evidence. All his Preaching cannot be in vain. Shame!

OLAADEGBU:
@MaxinDHouse,

Your feet is n held to the fire to respond to these facts about your organisation. No equivocation, prevarication or obfuscation as you are being confronted with this allegations (facts).

OkCornel:
MaxinDHouse, can you see how Mindhacker is dodging the real question here?

He should point us to where all Jewish historians and scholars unanimously deny the existence of Jesus Christ.
Nothing in that website posted DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS. The only remote thing mentioned about Jesus is whether he is the messiah or not. Never about whether he existed or not.

Also notice how mindhacker keeps dodging the Nero question. Please, who did Nero blame for the great fire of Rome...and why did he persecute Christians if Jesus was a "creation of the Roman Empire"?

Abeg, was the youtube video created by Jewish historians and scholars? Did they deny the existence of Jesus Christ in their history

guysbewise:
I wrote a reply before to your previous post but it was blocked, so I'm using the handle now. You the one not literate enough to know that real Jews today know that Josephus Flavius writings are full of distortions. You are full of deceit all you hold onto is the distorted writings of Josephus Flavius which were influenced by the Roman empire at the time

Wilgrea7:
I never claimed to be an atheist. But yes, I also question whatever beliefs I may have

cornelboy:
I'll understand you now.
How could a confused person convince another person

OLAADEGBU:
Go and face your worst nightmare, courz and debunk all the facts against your organisation that he has furnished us with.

OLAADEGBU:
What kind of peace does JW org have without the Prince of Peace and the power of the Holy Spirit? What you call 'peaceloving' is destruction waiting to happen.

MindHacker9009:
What's important here is that Jesus Christ is a creation of the Roman empire. The book of Josephus Flavius was written under the control of the Roman empire so their emperors over the years were able to add anything they like to it. As an example, more recently King James did not agree with the Catholic church on an action he wanted to take, so what did he do? He wrote his own version of the King James Bible.

RoyalDiadems:
Sorry, I don't chat with Freemasons.