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Image123:
So is the rapture a sacred secret?

Image123:
i am aware, that is why i immediately emphasized it so that you don't get confused.

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Urging or begging your fellow brothers/believers to be united and speak in agreement clearly shows that they were not and there was an urgent need to. This is different from the useless talk you always say about being the only denomination in the world that is united or unique. Stop using, period.

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Lol, a sinner will always sin. He has no power against it. Since my questions seemed so many for you to comprehend, i will pick them one by one hoping you get that brain ASAP tomorrow by God's grace, from the sad hall.
1. Do you treat Rapture in secret in your sad hall?

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You don't even know what or who the Spirit of God is, this comedian.

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This is high level folly and self deceit. Who knows Jwickedness for unique teachings apart from they themselves because that is what they keep telling themselves.

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Mat 16:20  Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 
Your eisegesis is nauseating but we go manage as we dey online. Do you treat Rapture in secret in your sad hall? Did you not see the word for word definition of Rapture in 1Thess 4v17? Did they tell you that the Bible was originally written in English or that any English word is quoted word for word by the Bible writers? Use that brain please, this copy and paste of moribund ideas will not take you far.

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Or to you, i continually forget that your head is stuck in the sad hole. Get it from there ASAP, you need it for relating with others. Life is not only about selling magazines.

Courz:
Why has Door to Door Preaching become a threat to Watchtower that it was excluded in the latest announcement which was confirmed from the below expose' from a Circuit Overseer?

MaxInDHouse:
There is only one true God JEHOVAH and one Christ Jesus, Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only organization practicing pure worship today!
So instead of worrying yourself over what JWs are doing, why not talk about your own Church and how you're meeting up with what Jesus Christ commissioned: PREACHING and TEACHING program?
Please do this or have a wonderful weekend Sir!

Courz:
Why didn't Watchtower inform you JWs that the so called anointed ones are freemasons as shown in the video below? Why did the freemasons in this video admit that jehovah is Lucifer and that you JWs don't know that but only they know?quote]

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=113465435]Psalms 83:18

How i wish Mikee19 is reading this now so that he can see how programming really works!

Mikee19:
Now this is the one place, in everything you've said, that I agree with. I'll call it a day here, but I will be sure to reference this post when the appropriate time comes. I just didn't know it's next to impossible to get you to see my point and only realized this by virtue of these remarks, but I will certainly lay it out (while referencing these) at the right time. The audience will see them. I can only pray that you do too. Cheers

Courz:
Why didn't Watchtower inform you JWs that the so called anointed ones are freemasons as shown in the video below? Why did the freemasons in this video admit that jehovah is Lucifer and that you JWs don't know that but only they know?

Courz:
Why didn't Watchtower inform you JWs that the so called anointed ones are freemasons as shown in the video below? Why did the freemasons in this video admit that jehovah is Lucifer and that you JWs don't know that but only they know?

Courz:
Guy, didn't you loose a couple of brain cells conversing with that JW Robot? He is an AI programme. JWs have been thoroughly brainwashed by Watchtower. The Brainwashing was not just a physical one but a spiritual one as well. The organisation is a Freemason organisation that dabbles in spiritism. You need to understand that fellow can't be reasoned with. Watchtower has sacrificed the Brains of JWs to Lucifer. The Bible talked about the JWs Spiritual Blindness. The Holy Spirit is not working with Watchtower. They admitted that. Don't expect JWs to have the Spiritual understanding of the Scriptures. This is why a lot of your words are flying over his head.

Courz:
Guy, didn't you loose a couple of brain cells conversing with that JW Robot? He is an AI programme. JWs have been thoroughly brainwashed by Watchtower. The Brainwashing was not just a physical one but a spiritual one as well. The organisation is a Freemason organisation that dabbles in spiritism. You need to understand that fellow can't be reasoned with. Watchtower has sacrificed the Brains of JWs to Lucifer. The Bible talked about the JWs Spiritual Blindness. The Holy Spirit is not working with Watchtower. They admitted that. Don't expect JWs to have the Spiritual understanding of the Scriptures. This is why a lot of your words are flying over his head.

Mikee19:
By this admission, you have NO WAY of knowing whenever you interpret scripture wrongly on your own! You must depend upon external help. This is sad. You are right now deceived and have no way to know since you have no choice but to agree with whatever you're taught in your organization even if it be false. I certainly don't envy you at all! Only the grace of God can therefore help you as you are powerless in yourself to judge whether what you're taught is accurate or not, you must swallow it that way. This has just confirmed why it is you must always give answers from your books as the final word. Wow! Quite sad
I actually used "let's say" because I didn't want to come off as rude. They are wrong in truth. But you would never see it no matter what anybody says with what you've said, being helpless and dependent on your organization which is also in the wrong. No hope but God's grace.It won't matter what anybody says from scripture. All that matters is what your organization says, the interpretation they give. You are no more an individual with a mind of your own to judge things for yourself, but are utterly dependent on your GB or some external person the "spirit works on" to test things for you. "Test all things and hold on to what is true" doesn't really apply to you, cos in truth you have no ability to test on your own, and must accept what you're told as the standard and fact. Anyone who tries to reason with you therefore wastes his time. At this point, it's only God...
So for now, have a lovely day!

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i am not interested in what you are both arguing about. You said calling someone stupid is not an insult, which i objected. Unfortunately, you can't see something that plain so you will rather argue aimlessly as usual. Here's what you said below.
Helping to spread wrong accusation or information is under the lie family, call it deception or calumny but it's not stupidity which is simply an insult.

Mikee19:
Let me ask you a simple, practical question.

Your GB are uninspired. They can make serious blunders. You know this is possible. Let's say they are wrong on trinity, how can you tell? Let's say they are wrong on hell how can you tell? Let's say they are wrong about going to heaven, how can you tell? Let's make this very very practical now. Don't tell because you can see fruits; with all these fruits they have been making errors all the same. So, in a very practical manner, how? Note that you've just indicated you MUST follow them notwithstanding. So if you're following them into error, no way to tell?

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Just like Bible, pornography, homosexuality, or alcohol topic.

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What you describe is called lying, not stupidity. Stupidity is being stupid. Stupid is : slow of mind : OBTUSE
b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner
c: lacking intelligence or reason
That is an insult and a sin, but of course you don't care. All you care about is selling magazines and endless arguments.

Mikee19:
This sir, is VERY FALSE.

You know that verses and chapters weren't in Paul's letters right? it was just one long thing written to his audience

NKJV 1Co 11:2: "² Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you."

He was praising them for keeping the traditions as delivered unto them! He then called them "brethren"! These are UNDOUBTEDLY Christians! No doubt at all! Notice he used "you" and not "we" when talking to them, and yet they were no doubt believers...

Now few verses down, same audience, same letter, same people, same BRETHREN (notice also that Paul didn't put verses in, translators did that, meaning he was yet talking to the very same people!)

NKJV 1Co 11:17: "¹⁷ Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse."

He, talking to these same Christians, although he said he'll praise them for keeping other instructions he passed unto them, said he WILL NOT praise them this time around! Doesn't mean the audience has changed to unbelievers, just that the same people, SAME BELIEVERS, who were obedient to certain truths were not obedient this time around! They remain the same believers, even tho he said "You" again in referring to them! This is merely a matter of consistency, where he was using "You" to refer to believers, he cannot suddenly use "we"! Notice also be said "You come together"... So what happens when these believers who were obedient to other truths elsewhere but disobedient to these particular ones come together as he's said?

NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

Again, these are BELIEVERS coming together as the context has shown! The same audience in verse 1 is the same audience in verse 17 and the same audience in these verses! You sir are wrong. Paul identifies them as BELIEVERS who were obedient to certain truths but stumbled in others! "You" or "we" is of no consequence, just for consistency, they remain believers regardless.

When you use parables, use them carefully. You cannot ignore the original context first of all, before bringing a parable from somewhere else.

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It's a compliment na, not an insult. Irredeemable Hypocrite.

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You are suffering from inferiority complex, you hypocrite. Are you not aware that other denominations have their prophets, Bishops or Overseers that all members and teachers in that denomination agree to what he says on doctrine? i guess your ignorance stems from being a former muslin and never going to any of these other denominations but swallowing what your lying elders tell you about them hook, line and sinker.
There's nothing to learn about disagreements, you are the one just learning it after i pointed them out to you. You initially said there was never any disagreement and can never be a disagreement in church. i showed you how there were several disagreements settled in the Bible.

Like i advised, come out of the hole you're in and see that every established denomination have leaders/elders or whatever name they call themselves.

Mikee19:
Again, the dates are given in the publications listed on the site, and I've seen them myself! The phone and the browser I'm currently using make it impossible for me to do so at this time, but I am mighty surprised that despite it being given on the site you still ask that it be posted here!
Anyways, I'm usually more concerned with proving from scripture what's right and wrong, which is why i referred to someone else who has put in the work. I don't concern myself with such things as those. It will never be my priority, ever!
It is a simple matter to show that current doctrine of JWs are very false. I've done this and would do this again. This I concern myself with, rather than looking thru publications for failed prophecies. I refer to them so that those that need them can put in the work also, and take them from there

Image123:
We never said that the word "Rapture", "Bible" or "pornography" are in the Bible. In the fact, no English word is in the Bible. Stop acting foolish 247.

AntiChristian:
I already say you were a liar before. Where do you see me carry weapons against anyone or pray such prayer? May God punish the hand you use to type those lies against me.

So you agree your Jehovah used Military to kill people and animals. So how are you sure those people haven't repented?

What Jehovah witness are calling to is confirm hatred filled cultism! No wonder they keep banning your cult.

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Instead of the proud hypocrite to repent and treat his wounds, he is licking them and calling them vitamins. You were aptly described by Paul as a vain talker whose mouth should be stopped like was done on this Rapture topic. Hoping that you are able to come to the knowledge of this truth and not just ever learning. Be prepared for the kingdom of God, not for silly talk from your magazines.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Mikee19
I've always laughed each time you postpone your salvation thinking imperfect humans must be perfect while dealing with an unseen spirit. I know you're banking on the past errors of God's people but one thing is sure:

The first century Apostles committed blunders so if those who walked with Jesus makes mistakes what makes you think those who never saw him but relied only on what was written must be infallible?

Well know today that only the truth can achieve God's purpose for salvation among imperfect humans. If JWs could gather people throughout the earth and achieve what God said pure worship will achieve during the end time that means God is WORKING with them even though they are imperfect humans like you and i! Zechariah 8:23

Mikee19:
Abeg no be fight na!
We have always disagreed without going down to insults. We will again do so.
Cheers

Mikee19:
1 Cor 11:18-19. You will forever dodge this scripture in all your comments, and will always fail to address it like i have, because doing so will reveal your religion for what it truly is.
Ok lemme now dare you. Address what this scripture says. You cannot. And that is no sign enough to you.
Issokae

Mikee19:
If you didn't see them mention specific dates, if you didn't see the exact publications, I really can't help you to paste them here. That was a thorough job, complete with publications where they appeared. I will NOT repeat that job here

I've already addressed this issue of "better performing group" so much that i don't think I need to repeat myself anymore

Mikee19:
Sigh. Where did you put 1 Cor 11:18-19 that i quoted? You just threw it away to bring in these that do not relate to what you are saying at all!
Ok let's have a look. The scriptures you gave speak of Paul asking them to AVOID divisions, but the one i gave asked them to EMBRACE them, stating that they MUST occur. Obviously then, context would be different, and we have to see which is best suited to JWs so-called "unity" such that they cannot see false doctrine if it exists, but always just agree with each other and follow each other into complete error. Let's take your scriptures first:
NKJV Ro 16:17: "¹⁷ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them."
In this case, there were ppl whose "work" was to cause divisiveness btw people and make them offended! As in, these ppl were "professional" trouble makers! They were noted for what they always did! This isn't the case of some RANDOM set of ppl today seeing doctrine differently from others, such that they needed to know who was right, and who was "approved". No, they were a certain DEFINITE set of persons each time, who had one job only: to divide God's people! Of course they were to mark and avoid them na, who should associate with known trouble makers? This DOES NOT apply to "unity of beliefs regarding doctrine" in which you're trying to force it to apply to as it is merely the case of avoiding trouble makers, not "always agreeing with each other" even in doctrinal errors!

NKJV 1Co 1:10-12: "¹⁰ Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. ¹¹ For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. ¹² Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”"

I'm not sure I need to say too much about this either. It is certainly worrisome if someone decided to say "I follow Paul not like you that follows Jesus" or "I follow Apollos instead". This EXACTLY was the error Paul was confronting! If this were you, would you commend that type of division? Certainly not! But again, this is obviously not of the same sort of "unity" being spoken of where everyone claims to be following Jesus but then go on to harbor doctrinal errors! When some people are segregating to the extent of saying they DO NOT follow Christ but Paul there's a huge problem way beyond doctrinal issues that must be resolved!

Now finally to where division is PROMISED amongst believers:

NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

According to this scripture, there MUST exist this type of factions AMONG TRUE BELIEVERS! If this type is missing amongst your organisation, there is a very serious problem. You may not be true Christians after all, for this MUST exist amongst them!

Now in this particular case, the division is all about KNOWING WHICH AMONGST THE BELIEVES HAVE THE APPROVAL FROM GOD in relation to proper worship of God as he had commanded; in fact this particular case was about the Lord's supper! And so Paul had to first set their doctrine right, so that their act of worship can now become right! Again, this sort of division MUST OCCUR amongst true Christians, and is even healthy! As has been said, this occurred all the time in the early church, such that letters had to be written to address the matters and to show what's right.

So when talking of unity/division amongst JWs such that they follow each other into error, believing errors with one mind, with nobody able to spot what's wrong ever? Which of these cases are applicable? This is the question you should have asked before using scripture!

- it isn't a case of "professional" trouble makers such that certain persons who take it as work to find trouble are to be noted and avoided, no! Romans 16:17 you quoted is NOT applicable here!

- neither is it a case of sects springing up unto different people, with some claiming to follow others apart from Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 1 you word is again NOT applicable here!

- it is CERTAINLY a case of proper/improper worship due to understanding of doctrine such as was addressed in 1 Cor 11! The type of division that MUST occur among true believers so that those whose understanding of God's word and practice of it is approved by God can be clearly seen!

When you use scripture, please use it properly...

This type of disagreement is healthy according to scripture. It MUST occur amongst true believers. There's something wrong with your organization where everybody is of the same mind even with doctrine so that y'all follow each other into error without having any way to know. This is anti-scripture. It is NOT how the true church of God operates. Your organization is FALSE!

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Your handlers have sent you answers at last. Shame on them, they should open your eyes and tell you that the disagreements you refer to are between different denominations and cults. Most other denominations, banks, mosques and even football clubs have the same teachings and doctrines internally, not different from what you claim a laughable monopoly over.
Is Peter part of the body or not, you just mentioned that he was misled. You hypocritically say disagreements never happened and will never happen. Then went ahead to talk of disagreements from Paul to Barnabas to Peter. Do you read before posting at all or just copy and paste? What is scriptural opinion or sacred matters? Is circumcision, preaching to gentiles, eating with Gentiles, marriage, divorce sacred matters. Or some talk about lake of fire or hell fire is more sacred? Take that brain of yours from where they kept it tomorrow in the sad hall. It's time to begin using it.