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Ammishaddai:
Your sense of reasoning is questionable. Please the word "He" in act 13:2 refers to who ? A force or a person ? Forces don't have masculine or feminine and there is no justification for it in the context of this scripture. So argue based on that

The point is that Jehovah's Witnesses interpreted what is found written in a book but some people say they don't get it right.
So to cut the story shut i'm asking you now to present the evidence to prove that JWs got it wrong because from all the EVIDENCES we can all SEE their faith is WORKING! James 2:18

Your argument is worthless if it's just based on head knowledge that's not operational anywhere! James 2:26

LordReed:
What is different from what I said? Your dumbass god told them to kill disobedient children and you concur.

Well humans have constitution and in every nations constitution there is always capital punishment for disobedience or rebellion so i don't see why you can't accept God's laws when it talks about capital punishment.
Àbí you want to outlaw capital punishment in general?

elated177:
What are you on about?
What blunder? Don't allow your hatred disgrace you.
Go and make your own research.
Don't make this thread about me.
There is a portion of the Scriptures that you have been brandishing all over the place. I want to open a thread in that regard and call your attention to it. Should I?

You're obsessed with this disgrace of a thing, so when someone enlightens you it's a disgrace to you, shey? No wonder you always argue blindly!

Well YHWH is the four Hebrew letters for the divine name and Jehovah's Witnesses prefer using JHVH since all other names has been translated and there was no contention over it.
For instance: Jacob, Jonah, Jehoshaphat, John Jesus, James, Judas, Judah, Jonathan, Jeremiah, Jonah and many more were translated and generally accepted. So if anyone is raising an objection over the use of the name JEHOVAH then he or she mustn't pronounce any Hebrew name translated!

LordReed:
Dumbass it was god who told them to kill disobedient children not merely a constitution. And of course you agree that disobedient children should be killed because like your dumbass god you don't know a better way to take care of unruly children. Shame.

Oh my God thank you that i'm not an atheist!

Ògbéni each country has constitutions and according to the history of the Israelites it was their own God that set up the laws after delivering them from Egypt. So the laws became their nation's constitution back then!

MightySparrow:
No proof. When God introduced himself to Moses, it was then, He told Moses ' Jehovah ' before then, He told Moses the name that Abraham didn't know by Jehovah but another. Even the name given to Abraham was not abandoned. Exodus 3: 15.
So, is it wrong to call God by that name today?

The point at Exodus 6:3 is clear.
Abraham knew the God that called him by a personal name

And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD. Genesis 12:8 KJV

Later he moved from there to the mountainous region east of Bethʹel and pitched his tent with Bethʹel on the west and Aʹi on the east. There he built an altar to Jehovah and began to call on the name of Jehovah. Genesis 12:8 NWT

I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that the Hebrew word translated to LORD in the KJV is the PERSONAL name of the Hebrew God!

elated177:
Well, let me oblige you.

My God is the same God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God Jacob. He is the Mighty One of Israel --- the Mighty One of Jacob.

From careful study of materials, I have come to settle for the name "YHVH"/"YAHVEH".

Good so your own God has a PERSONAL name shey?
So tell everyone why you believe in the God who has a PERSONAL name and not just the title "GOD"

Meanwhile you committed a blunder!

YHWH is the original Hebrew and ancient Hebrews doesn't have the letter "J" so how come one of the patriarchs bears Jacob when you don't want to use the modern translation of the names?

XXXXTENTACION:
You are so ashamed that you could'nt answer the question...
If you are truly proud of your J.Witness doctrines why can't you boldly type on this forum that you would'nt report a paedophile who rapes your child...

My friend you really amuse me the more now!
So you don't get the sense of what i'm saying shey?

OK let me help you since atheism is blurring your senses. Will you report to the police if the victim and the culprit are both your children?

For instance a young lady (26) was caught sucking the dick of her little brother (12) please tell this forum what you'll do as their father?

Well God's word never supported omen!

"There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for OMENS, a sorcerer! Deuteronomy 18:10

elated177:
Taaah! Don't accuse me of something that you guilty of. Are my contributions not obvious to you? Is not the name of my God, my Father in heaven, clearly portrayed in all my threads and comments on this forum? What are you talking about, maxindhouse?

What is the name of your own God? Period!

XXXXTENTACION:
In a simple sentence you are not going to report the paedophile to police right ?...

Well to me both needs help and attention, my thinking doesn't need to be the same as yours nah!

elated177:
Maxindhouse, "Hallelu YAH" should tell you that the name of the Creator is not "Jehovah".

Hallelu YAH ==== Praise YAH.

Well the topic here is about God's personal name so if you have something tangible to say regarding the topic of discussion, don't digress instead let everyone know whether your own God has a PERSONAL name or not!

MightySparrow:
Which name did they call upon in Genesis 4: 26?

What if i tell you that people knew God's personal name throughout the earth before God confused their language?
Well it's after fallen angels have become Gods and given people different names that the true God called Abraham and introduced himself!
So people knew back then that Adam, Abel, Enoch, Noah all knew God by His personal name not just God or Lord!

hupernikao:
So he is not interested in the spelling and pronunciation now? Even when you call him a name that doesn't exist in any language? Jehovah wasn't Jew, that's not what Moses got. Jehovah doesn't exist in any language, it was coined out from a language. But you said God isn't interested in that but interested in why it was used as Lord.

Okay nah.

For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 1Corinthians 8:5

Note that it's the Bible writers and translators that choose to refer to other people's Gods and Lords in lower letters.
To an Hindu Krishna is LORD, to a Roman Jupiter is LORD, to an Egyptian Ra is LORD, to a Greek Zeus is LORD.
So what distinguish the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob from these other Gods and Lords if not His personal name? Psalms 83:18

Meanwhile you as a person if you travel to China as an engineer where almost everyone is an engineer, what will you prefer to be called? Is it Engineer or your personal name?
What if you're Adéṣọlá and they Chinese tongue finds it difficult to pronounce your name correctly only to end up saying "Azezola" will you insist on changing his tongue or prefer to be addressed as Engineer?

My friend every sane person will ignore the tongue so far you know that the Chinese has tried his best to call your name, it's when someone else ask you that you'll now pronounce your name better than the Chinese yet you will admit that the Chinese is calling on you anytime he says "Azezola"

Think about this!

XXXXTENTACION:
Look how the rooster dodges the question...
Here we go again.... This time try to give yourself an honest answer....
If your child gets raped by a J.Witness paedophile would you report to the police...

You are the one dodging from the reality!

I don't take any child as my personal property so if matters arises i treat everyone equally whether my biological child or not all are children before God. So if the people around me like you feels like taking the matter up then the pedophile will have to deal with you but as for me both the victim and the culprit needs to be cared for seriously. The police won't repair the damage rather they may even complicate the issue more than necessary.

Use your brains, if a little girl or boy is abused and you catch the culprit the best thing to do is take good care of the victim and help provide needed help for the culprit perhaps to change his/her orientation.

Your own son or daughter may be either the victim or the culprit so don't always think that you'll be the one wronged it might be that your own cherished son/daughter that happens to be the pedophile!

LordReed:
Clearly shows you haven't read Deuteronomy 21 or else you'd have known the so called crime was disobedience to parents which is not punishable by death in any sane jurisdiction except to misguided maladjusted asshats like you. Keep showing us how like the Taliban you asshats really are.

You really prove that atheists don't have any sense at all, is this how they taught you to reason in atheism?

Israel was an ancient nation back then and that's what their constitution says, so it's what the constitution says that we need to look into with keen interest not comparing it to other nations when they don't have the same constitution!

The constitution says a child should be stoned to death if the parents accuses him/her of being rebellious, the people didn't take this law seriously and it led to so many problems back then. Had it been they followed the laws to the letter they would have remained God's people till today but they became nepotistic and lost God's favour!

I asked you, if all nations put this law into practice do you think corruption will be prevalent as we have today?

Answer my question and stop beating about the bush after all you jumped into this thread to quote me!

elated177:
This thread was going somewhere and raising many salient questions until maxindhouse almost spoilt it.
Maxindhouse, must you narrow down every Scriptural issue to your group?

For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god, But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever! Micah 4:5

Go and worship with the people calling the name of your own God!

XXXXTENTACION:
Would you be able to type all this if your child gets raped by a J.Witness paedophile....

All children are going to live and die if God's kingdom delays so nobody owns any child, we are just caretakers who will soon say goodbye to the young ones.
But as for humanity life continues, that's why a normal person will think of how to resolve all matters intelligently without taking things too personal!

tctrills:
let me make it a bit easier for you. All are God's children because he is the father of all mankind. We are all his offspring. We were formed from within him.
Zechariah 12.1
The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord who stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him: Our spirits were formed within God. So it's clear all mankind are children of God. But he needs us to be born again. To be born of the spirit. Those who are not Born are lost and would no longer be his children the devil would have claim over them.
That is why some verses of the scripture would tell you that we are all children of God and others would seem to contradict. I see no contradiction here.

Don't worry my friend being BORN AGAIN is a totally different topic, for your information i know the BORN AGAIN Christians but i'm not one of them. So that's a totally different topic entirely from what we're discussing presently.
But i can see where you're coming from so thanks for your time!

Ammishaddai:
But you're either being more stupid than necessary , or you're outright delusional if you think JWs have love in their midst . And secondly, how can there be love in that cult when all doctrines and prophesies that Charles Russell Taze predicted never came to pass.

Or does God lie through His spirit Thirdly, the fruits of the spirit are not even seen in JW gatherings so how can the Holy Spirit be there? Or do JWs speak in tongues ?

You neither speak in tongues nor rely on the presence of the Holy Spirit for the edification of anything so how then can the Holy Spirit be in the midst of a people who intentionally deny His power and existence through self-interest interpretations

If we come to teach you people you will say you are already Christians, you don't even know the difference between the GIFTS and FRUIT of the Spirit!

But for the interest of other followers of this thread i'll shed the light on what you misconstrued.

Jesus likens God's Holy Spirit to a tree that's why he talked about it's GIFTS and it's FRUIT.
A tree can have big leaves, strong stem and root, beautiful in appearance and it's leaves may be good for herbal use, all these are the GIFTS of the tree not it's FRUIT. On the other hand the FRUIT is just one type that's why Paul never referred to this part in plural because God's Holy Spirit have just one FRUIT with nine qualities:

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

Now Jesus himself never speak of the fruit of God's Holy Spirit as in many:

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good FRUIT; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil FRUIT. Matthew 7:17

So what are the GIFTS of God's Active Force?

Apostle Paul listed these GIFTS {1Corinthians 12:1-4} so prophecy, healings, speaking in tongues, divine knowledge are all GIFTS of God's Active Force and Paul declared that all these GIFTS will cease after the completion of the Bible:

Love never fails. But if there are GIFTS of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 1Corinthians 13:8-10

But as for the FRUIT of God's Active Force it will forever continue to yield in the midst of true Christians:

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

So the GIFTS of God's Active Force that you people are searching for going to different sects has been done away with in true Christianity but about the FRUIT Jesus said:

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves! John 13:34-35

That's why you people can't present any group in whose midst those GIFTS are present today, but if you want to argue then get an amputee and take him/her to any of your so called churches for HEALING after all that is one of the GIFTS Paul mentioned.

But as for the FRUIT having nine qualities:
LOVE, JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} this everyone knows that is evident in the midst of God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses)
That's the one and only organization of believers who will never raise weapons against anyone because of their LOVE for God and neighbours, they are the one and only group of worshipers in whose midst there is LOVE! 1John 4:8

So my friend you got it wrong, the GIFTS of God's Active Force is no more operational anywhere again just as Apostle Paul declared but the FRUIT of God's Active Force is evident in the midst of God's people Jehovah's Witnesses!

tctrills:
You are right there but when Paul says all mankind are children of God, he meant both the believers and unbelievers.

Paul said so to encourage his fellow believers to try as much as possible to reach all kinds of people with the Good News of God's kingdom just as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today.
But the truth is that we will find God's children who will accept the message in all nations of the earth meanwhile before they accept the message God doesn't see them as children:


"He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him. However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name" John 1:11-12

According to the highlighted it's evident that it's only those who accept the message of God's kingdom that God welcomes as His children not everyone!

XXXXTENTACION:
Excellent...
The bible verses completes everything...
A beautiful big family of rapists and paedophiles all bounded by love....
Men I love this family...

A family will ever remain a family no matter what happens in their midst.
Meanwhile it's not all members of the family that's committing pedophilia so if they're ready to handle matters within themselves instead of taking it to the extent of killing one another then that makes them differ from beasts?

If anyone chooses to report a pedophile to the police it's not a crime punishable by death yet the rules binding this family is one million times better than what any other society have because they will never pick up weapons against their fellowman, that's what the whole human society today are still battling to resolve not pedophilia which is even legalized in most Arab nations!

tctrills:
So both of us are correct someone can be an offspring of God and at the same time a child of satan unless he is born again.

Satan himself was God's son but whoever chooses to become a rebel God will condemn the same way He condemned Satan!

LordReed:
LMFAO! So you consider killing children for disobedience just and good? Bwahahahahaha!
Besides you gotta love how you people selectively obey your bible that you say your god gave you. LMFAO!

If you're not stupid whose children do the constitution often sentence to death by hanging if not the children born, bread and brought up in that same nation?

Guy this is more than your IQ, children are born by people no child fall from the sky so when the law says something is a crime punishable by death, the good thing to do is follow the constitution accordingly that's what is missing in the human society because those in charge of justice will twist it when it's their own biological children that commits the abominable but God's law says the parents should be the first to exterminate evil children in the society.

Now tell everyone on this forum if there will be much corruption as it's prevalent everywhere today if all parents are the first to condemn the child that's evil!

Ammishaddai:
Jehovah's witnesses don't practice love sir . They only pretend to do so ; which is one of the reason people are leaving the gathering

You really amuse me my friend!

So people from North America, South America, Australia, Asia, Europe, Africa willingly surrender themselves just to start pretending they love one another, shey?

I thought i'm chatting with someone whose brains is working!

My friend don't be stupid, people can't come from different races throughout the earth only to pretend they love one another, please for what reason?

Just say Mr Holy Spirit has nothing doing in your midst!

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MaxInDHouse
It's very ironic how the bible contradicts itself anyway J.Witness is one big family that expresses love by fvcking little children's assholes and playing with kids dicks I bet you gonna tell me where that's also found in the bible too...

LOVE doesn't expect perfect humans rather it covers a multitude of blunders:

"Above all things, have intense love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins" 1Peter 4:8

Whereas those who have no LOVE will pick up weapons and start killing one another! Revelations 6:3-4

So think like a normal human being, there can be blunders in the case of imperfect humans but a family will always remain a family!

tctrills:
I was expecting you to do the explaining since you quoted it. I only added other bible verses to make it easier for you

Well Jesus knew that all humans and spirits came into existence because God created us but only those who are doing His will God refer to as His children:

They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation Deuteronomy 32:5

Woe to the sinful nation, The people weighed down with error, A brood of wicked men, corrupt children! They have abandoned Jehovah; They have treated the Holy One of Israel with disrespect; They have turned their backs on him. Isaiah 1:4

That's why Jesus could declare humans as "Satan's Children" because they choose to be so!

Ammishaddai:
So why are people leaving the JW movement ? I have tonnes of videos that have document footage and narratives of former members of JW calling your gathering a cult that strays from the truth in the bible.

That's the same way faithless people did to our Master, Lord and King in the first century:

Because of this, many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. John 6:66
Many began referring to our Master as the head of CULTISTS so we're already fortified with knowledge that it will always happen since it happened to our Master,Lord and King! Matthew 10:25

But that's digressing . But the point here is this : the Holy Spirit is a person (as stated by Jesus Christ Himself ) . Secondly, the Holy Spirit moves in the circle of believers throughout the world

Can you present any group of people in whose midst Mr Holy Spirit is working out LOVE, JOY and PEACE like everyone knows amongst Jehovah's Witnesses today? James 2:18-26

Remember that those who left Jesus in the first century will never say any good thing about him afterwards {Mark 14:58} but those who remained together will continue to feel the presence of God's Active Force WORKING in their midst! John 14:26; 16:12-13

So instead of arguing blindly just present one group of people among whom this your Mr Holy Spirit/Ghost is WORKING!

LordReed:
And the protocols set in Deuteronomy 21 to kill disobedient children should also be followed right?

That should be followed if the human society in which we live today are using that same laws. God rescued a whole nation and set up that constitution for them but today there's no nation following that law. So it's only amongst true Christians that children who chooses to abandon the teachings of their parents are shunned globally by all members of the true Christian family.
For your information that's why most people are saying Jehovah's Witnesses are wicked because any child that goes against the rules of our God will be disfellowshiped meaning no Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth will say a word to him/her just as if we have pelted such a person to death!

tctrills:
Acts 17. 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Malachi 2. 10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Ephsians 4. 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all

Can you explain what Jesus meant @ John 8:44?

Ammishaddai:
The Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal force or influence. The Spirit of God has personal qualities and personal functions. The Spirit of God is God Himself present in the world of man working out His own purposes. “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do His good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13)

In Jesus’ farewell message in the Gospel of John Chapters 14 through 16, Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit as if He is speaking of a personal friend. He refers to Him as that One (Greek: ekeinos) using the masculine personal pronoun "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come unto you (John 16:7).” “And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment (John 16:.” “When He the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He shall hear, that shall He speak and He will show you things to come (John 16:13).”

This can't possibly be a force . Especially when Jesus particularly referred to Him as a person from the above scriptures

Guy leave all these STORY! STORY!! STORY!!
The man you're quoting himself said:

"That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it" Matthew 13:13

Jesus said his own true followers who gets the sense of what he is saying will have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} so present any group of people where Mr Holy Spirit or Ghost is working out this attribute {James 2:18-26} meanwhile i present to the whole world the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses amongst whom LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns.
They said the Spirit working out all these in their midst is God's Active Force. But you people are saying you have a Spirit in your midst that's a person, hen nah present the WORKS of Mr Holy Spirit in your midst and stop all these STORIES because it's nonsense to any right thinking person!

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If reasoning like humans means you should drop logic and reason stupidly I beg to differ....
If you want to pass a message to people and you also want them to understand you... do you speak in clear terms or you speak hogwash and expect them to understand....
The bible clearly states that heaven and earth will pass away ...

Well the Bible is not a message for all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} it's for humble people who love to seek righteousness! Zephaniah 2:2-3
So if you don't want to learn then forget about the Bible because you'll never understand this book and when you fail to grasp it's message of course you will end up saying it makes no sense, but the Author (God) promised that those who understands this book will see a sign:

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Micah 4:1-3

According to the Author individuals from different races will come together and they will start studying this book diligently, then they will get the sense of it and use it to settle all their racial disparities, they will begin loving one another like blood relations, they will stop thinking about weapons neither will they learn WARS anymore.

If this is not happening in any human society then the book is nonsense but today one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers have sufficed in the name of Jehovah's Witnesses, and everyone throughout the world can testify to the fact that this people from different races love themselves just like blood relations. John 13:34-35
What is the secret? Well it's this same book called Bible!
So if you want to reason like a normal human being it's not by arguing blindly when this result is evident before everyone. All you need to do is find out how possible it is for people to come under one umbrella and do what so many Organizations failed to achieve!

MightySparrow:
Before Exodus 6;3 was God known by any name?
Which other versions other than the one shown above? What makes it special?

Please can you explain what this Bible book says here:

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Genesis 4:26 KJV

I know you MightySparrow and how this meant much to you but má bàá ọ̀bọ jáwùrà, gbìyànjú kòó lóye ọ̀rọ̀ yìí nítorí ìgbàlà rẹ!