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LordReed:
You still haven't answered my question.

What exactly do you think led people to form the Church of Satan?
Is it not to make things better than religionists do?
I'm telling you that no human society says we should pick up weapons to kill our neighbours yet they're doing it, so how do we resolve that?

This church of Satan just like every other human society will not say they're in support of killing their neighbours but they can't erase it from the minds of their members just as all other human groups have failed to stop their members from picking up weapons against themselves!

LordReed:
You didn't answer the question. Tell what about atheism specifically says we cannot meet together to make things cool?

I have never seen where the CoS asked their members to fight anyone with weapons. Here are the 7 FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

I see in it no call to pick up weapons against your fellows.

All these are somehow inscribed in the laws of any human society yet when racism and politics calls for blood they will go forgetting all these things they're saying!

Changing monikers or creating new ones can't solve your problem!
Faith in God is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2
So if you don't believe in that book it's OK but billions around you will continue considering what is written in that book. Of course you're not in any way better than them!

LordReed:
The question again: what about atheism says we can meet together, be specific.
Look up FFRF, ACA and of course you most dreaded word the Church of Satan.

OK the church of Satan is teaching it's members not to take sides during WARS, shey?

It's like you don't know what i meant when i say "take things cool" because people gets irritated when someone related to them is wronged and the next thing is picking up weapons to take sides.
Do you think the Church of Satan can decipher what i just told you on their own and stop their members from killing one another in the case of racism and politics?

sonmvayina:
Lol...tiooooor.
Well, way of the mark
In any case I was not talking to you.
The letter killeth...your still trying to interpret the story. That is not the spiritual message in the story. Obviously the story never happened. It was adapted from the babylonian epic about Enki and Ziusudra.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ziusudra

The highlighted is all what any believer need to know that you should be ignored?

chatinent:
I was born a Catholic. I remember asking a Reverend Father what “bowing down to graven images as a sin” meant. He was biting his words cos he suspected the Jesus statue would be questioned.

Due to my inquisition, I had to dig deeper. Why venerate Mary? What is really her role? What's the role of the rosaries using the Bible? Can Jesus be God and still pray to God? What are the use of those Holy Sacrament and Hail Mary incantations? Where is Father Christmas in the Bible? Is Mary the mother of God? Very many questions...

I gave up.

I am now one of the JW.

I was a Muslim too before my conversion to JWs!
Truly JEHOVAH is rocking the nations and bringing out the desirable things:

‘And I will shake all the nations, and the precious things of all the nations will come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ says Jehovah of armies. Haggai 2:7

I don't know who should welcome the other into the one and only big and happy family of peace loving organization!

sonmvayina:
What is the theology behind the story of Noah...please tell.

It's about how some angels did what is abominable and were cast away from the midst of God's heavenly organization.
So after loosing their dwelling places in heaven they returned to the earth and became deities people began worshiping throughout the earth before God called Abraham out and introduced Himself as the one and only true God!
So the story of Noah teaches us that demons or fallen angels are behind false religions that's been practiced throughout the earth today!

LordReed:
I asked what in atheism precludes me from meeting with people and deliberating on how to keep things cool?

Everything!
Because atheists have no reason to do so, but you can prove me wrong by presenting a group of atheists meeting together and deliberating on how to keep things cool!

alphaNomega:
Abeg make Una save us all this stress, by now we should all know those stories are false

It's written in a book and nobody is forcing it on anyone, so if some like you feel it's false no wahala billions around you believe that there is more to the book (Bible) than the stories, only intelligent people can make use of it to bring out benefits in their gathering! Isaiah 48:17-18

LordReed:
Says who? What in atheism restricts me from meeting with other atheists and having a nice time?

Social gatherings is a common thing and in such gatherings 98% of the people only comes to display their means of life, what the human society needs is coming together to deliberate on how to keep things cool and settle whatever arises in our midst amicably instead of taking side and using weapons to exterminate one another.

Only faith in Jesus' teachings can do that!

A001:
Binned.

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" Psalms 111:10; Proverbs 1:7; 9:10

If there is no fear of God/deities inculcated in the hearts of the upcoming generation how will the aged survive?

Even your so called ODÙ IFÁ teaches:

Àì f'àgbà f'ẹ́nìkan ni kò jẹ́ káyé ó gún.
It's lack of regards for the elderly that's bringing curses on the human society

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni prove me wrong if truly you've got something tangible to say!

A001:
The Report button comes handy to bin the post of the JW lunatic.

Ògbéni you and your IFÁ has nothing to offer where people are talking about the problems affecting the human society, so humble yourself and learn not just insulting people for correcting you!

A001:
I didn't bother to read this tripe you call a post.

Who cares whether you read or not?
What matters is for followers of the thread to know that you've got nothing tangible to offer.

If you can't address the question i asked you:

"why do you think a 27 years old shouldn't beat up a 72 years old when the later commits a blunder if not the fear of God/deities?"

You guys just open your mouth and talk like you don't have brains to think before talking.

You pasted a picture saying it's a crime to infuse the fear of God in children so answer the highlighted question if you truly have sense!

LordReed:
None of these things were a problem for me. My conviction in the past was based on the gospel of Jesus' salvation by his death and resurrection. I believed I was saved by faith and my righteousness was the righteousness given by faith in Jesus. So my atheism has nothing to do with disappointment or wrong teaching (according to you).

That's why i always say "there are no ex-Christians but ex-Churchgoers" because a true Christian knows for sure that there can't be complete righteousness in any human unless you're connected to God's ORGANIZED people that you must continue fellowshiping with them for interchange of encouragement {Hebrews 10:24-25} with this in your mind the only reason why you will leave Christianity must be a better performing group of people (not necessarily religious) who are giving you the needed encouragement to manage life's anxieties. That's the main purpose of the Christian faith, as long as you're walking in faith with an ORGANIZED group of people who are encouraging one another to deal with life's anxieties God will approve you for everlasting life, the bitter truth is you can't find such anywhere except amongst Jesus' true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses)

Atheism gives no room for interchange of encouragement or how to cope with life's anxieties so you'll only sit in a corner inside your room and continue criticizing whatever effort people put together to solve the problems affecting the human society.
So that's the sense in oneness of thought!

A001:
Which African deities you get? It's obvious all isn't well with you up there.

Your IFÁ will never make a global family of peace loving people like what the Bible made possible through Jehovah's Witnesses.
That's what you can never find anywhere else i can bet my whole life on it. You will continue to argue, insult, abuse and curse people because there is nothing like teachings that could convince your fellowman to reason with your IFÁ apart from seeking miracles to their problems which all other religions are promising so you and your IFÁ will always be loosers!

A001:

So why do you think a 27 years old shouldn't beat up a 72 years old when the later commits a blunder if not the fear of God?

Ògbéni, stick to your African deities because this is surpasses your IQ!

Dtruthspeaker:
Remember it is Written "evil does not sleep UNLESS IT CAUSE SOME PERSON TO FALL"!
So he is only doing his job.

When they failed to make their own personal research they often fall into the hands of swindlers then they want everyone to drop faith in God due to their misfortune! Psalms 10:4

Only God can save believers in the day of tribulations, because with the way you're crying up and down on religion today it's becoming obvious that you want to hurt your neighbours for having faith in God!

If you want to compare religion with culture in morality please look at the below picture where Tokyo ladies publicly celebrates penis festival without considering it's adverse effects on their little ones!
Do you think a tribe like Yorùbá can view such custom as sane, where they makes sweet in the shape of penis for little children and teens to lick?

MightySparrow:
So, you are Jevovah's counselor, He must consult you on who and what to accep?

This is why i said you people weren't taught to preach at all, if God will not accept all forms of worship it means many are on the road to destruction just as God's son said! Matthew 7:13-14
So if you can't speak of where false religions got things wrong then what makes you a witness of Jehovah or Jesus? Because both of them condemned false religions not those practicing it, they know that practicers of false religions are under the influence of Satan the deceiver! Revelations 12:9

MightySparrow:
Covenant, the heart of Christian faith doesn't make sense to you? I hear o.

There is just one true Christian group while all others are fabrications of Satan, that's what i beleive, please find it and come to tell me because i am fully convinced that only the JWs are practicing what the man from Nazareth taught!

When talking about morality mankind will always have issues due to the diversity in customs and traditions, but when talking about lunacy only true Christians Jehovah's Witnesses are sound in mind.
Why this conclusion?
Because the first sign of sanity in the human society is resolving issues without having to support either side which is the root cause of WARS and KILLINGS!
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully erased the use of weapons and military service from the hearts of their members making them feel love for all their neighbours, and taking this idea to the most distant part of the earth. No matter how others try to prove they're sane racism and politics always blur their senses and the end result is picking up weapons in support of WARS!

MightySparrow:
Is that reason you backed out when we were discussing similarities between religion and culture?

I don't engage in fruitless arguments, if you want me to participate in any discussion just present a group practicing the religion you want people to learn from and the culture you want to place side by side with the religion, then people can SEE clearly which is producing fine fruit whether religion or culture.
But arguing endlessly when there is no examples presented makes no sense to me!

MightySparrow:
I can't make anything out of this post.

You really amuse me with this walahi talahi!

Do you think critics of pure worship has anything tangible to say? Of course all he's trying to do is join those criticizing pure worship since practicers of pure worship will never accept interfaith he also wants to join in condemning practicers of pure worship.
But ask him what is his opinion since he's always talking about the bad side of JWs organization. Is he worshiping the same God with this group he always antagonize?

The madman will tell you "YES"
Because Cain and Abel presented their sacred service before Jehovah doesn't mean that Jehovah must accept all forms of worship.
So people like Cain will continue to hate practicers of pure worship yet they will not like to find out why their form of worship is not yielding positive results all what they want to say is they are worshiping the same God with Abel!

MightySparrow:
What is your point, if your leaders are prone to mistakes, why criticising other leaders mistakes with relish? This is hypocrisy I have been talking about.
Anyways, I don't see anything wrong in the broadcast. I have watched him a number of times.

I love this question!

The point i am making is that there is true and fake religion just as we know in the Bible, and there is no nation (Israel inclusive) where practicers of fake religion don't exist.
But in the case of Christianity Jesus warned that after his departure Satan will come and turn Christianity into a mess {Matthew 13:25} and that shortly before the endtime there will be a separation between false Christian and true Christians {Matthew 13:30} all the signs Jesus foretold we will see to know this is happening are present in Jehovah's Witnesses organization today.
The false religions are still claiming Christians today despite seeing that they're not yielding positive results with their worship.
You may join him in condemning Lett's public speech but i will not stop telling you that the likes of Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Olukoya and others are spiritually blind leaders who are deceiving themselves and their followers.
The fact that JWs also makes mistakes doesn't mean we should accept all forms of worship in the name of denominations in Christianity.
That's my point!

MightySparrow:
Ok to whom was revealed this name? How is the name to be used?

Háà you should know now that the name "Jesus" wasn't how the mother and father use to call him nah!
So it's the same with "JEHOVAH" what JWs are saying is if all the personal names deities and people in the Bible is recorded and remembered there's no reason why God's personal name should be disputed whether Yahweh, Yehowah, Lehova or Jehovah the true God has a PERSONAL name and Jesus emphasized that that name must be put to used! Matthew 6:9; John 17:6, 26

MightySparrow:
This is Stephen Lett. I don't see anything wrong in this broadcast. Though, I disagree with some of their interpretationss. They are based on assumptions

Tí ojú bá f'ara balẹ̀ á rí imú
Brother Lett is the one and we know they made lots of mistakes before getting things right later because they are also part of the people God's word referred to as "sinners" "prone to errors"
Mind you, everyone today wants to buy Computers, Telephones, Cars, Televisions, Sound System, Mobile Devices even private jets.
But have you ever seen anyone talking about the several mistakes the inventors of this things made before getting things right?
I don't think so, everyone just want to enjoy this good things no one cares about the history of the makers or the several mistakes they made before the success.
God has been planning this things for thousands of years now but He (God) said when imperfect humans finally get things right this are the signs we will all SEE to know that He is dealing with them.
(1) They will start gathering people from all races and training them on what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob wants {Isaiah 2:2} so if care is not taken you will say they have brainwashed all those joining them after all they will all work hard to have the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10

(2) They will start taking the peaceful invitation to all the nations {Matthew 28:19-20} so that individuals who love oneness may join in the wonderful arrangement, then they will settle all their racial disparities among themselves {Isaiah 2:3} and the result, they will divert all their resources towards the production of food and information materials. That's why JWs have bethel homes in any country where they're allowed to excel and there they make farms and printing Bibles and Bible based literatures: Spiritual food!

(3) They will erase racism and politics in their midst so that there will be no cause for military services or idea of raising weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:4 compare to Matthew 5:43-48; 26:52

Of course there will be lots of errors when imperfect humans are coming together to work with an invisible superior being nah!
But in the end you will SEE the success {Matthew 5:13-16} so it will be left to you whether you will join in making things better or criticize them but honest hearted and sincere individuals like me will keep asking you just one question:
Have you found a better performing group than this one?
It's like when you see someone whose only interest is to talk about the history of the makers of Aircraft and all their errors. Please don't you think it will be reasonable to ask him: Have you found some other makers of vessels carrying people fast across the oceans?

Woe to those saying "good is bad" Isaiah 5:20

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MightySparrow:
Did you follow my own line of argument? God Himself, introduced Himself as to Moses, who probably, didn't hear about God based on his background and said,........' this is my name forever.....' then introduced another. name. Which of these is not personal name?

MightySparrow, why not concentrate on one side then after you've gotten the sense of what JWs are saying try to concentrate on what other people are saying then figure out which one is consistent?
The person you're responding to has nothing to offer other than criticism!

For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

99.9% of readers of this verse knows that the person talked about here as a personal name (Jesus) but please can you convince sonmvayina that Jesus is the personal name of the one Isaiah is talking about? The answer is NO! Why? Because the verse never mentioned the PERSONAL NAME "Jesus" sonmvayina will continue to argue with anyone over the personal name of the person Isaiah is talking about there.
So for the fact that Isaiah said "his name will be called" but never mentioned "Jesus" Muslims and the likes of sonmvayina will never agree that it's Jesus.
The same thing happened at Exodus 3:15 and 6:3, God's personal name is mentioned but His character which led to that name is what God described at Exodus 3:15.
The problem here is that you people don't go preaching and teaching as Jesus commands otherwise you should try to preach to an Hindu or Buddhist then after telling him/her all the good thing Jesus will do don't mention his personal name, just say "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace" then leave the Hindu and Buddhist to sort out the rest if they will not tell you they know the person that verse is talking about:
The Hindu will tell you it's LORD Krishna while the Buddhist will tell you it's LORD Buddha.

That's the importance of the PERSONAL name of God that you're trying to dispute now!

bobestman:
Nothing I say will make sense to you now. You are deeply indoctrinated and brainwashed by those ppl and religion. You don't know who they gave you as Jesus and the day you will know, you will cry. You are following and worshipping what you don't know. I know all the lies in your religions and how they came. All your Religions are controlled by one person non of you know. You all call one god that is decieving you all by appearing to you in your different religions. The true Father and son non of you know. You all are following what the Vatican who created your religions gave you. The day your religions will be exposed, you will weep. They all and JW is a Cult created to decieve.
See how foolish you are, do you know that many things the Pinks gave you they stole from Africa? Do you know the reason they change the true language of the bible to English? Do you know that the names of days and month in Gregorian Calender were given after the names of their gods and that alone keep you spell bound? Am not exposing them here. JW thought you to see blacks as evil and idol worshippers while they gave you a Greek god to worship.
Foolish, stupid and brainwash people like many of you in Religion hate correction. The truth is very bitter. If I reveal more truths to you here, you will never take it to heart. It's a waste of time. I tell you, the day comes and is almost here that all your Religions will be exposed. The truth that will be revealed will swallow All of them. All are created by those who rule this world to keep the choosen seeds (true children of the Sovereign Father) spell bound.

Ògbéni correct yourself and let's see LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in your gatherings like JWs have today. Nobody cares about how much errors the makers of Aircraft, Automobiles, Telephones, Computers and other good things like that made before getting it right in the end but we all realize that they were great after we begin enjoying the fruitage of the labour which was filled with trials and errors before success.
So if Jehovah's Witnesses used the Bible to unite people from all races making them to LOVE and appreciate life unlike hopeless and worthless miscreants of your kind who just go about condemning good thing and when there arises disagreement you'll pick up weapons to start killing one another instead of settling matters amicably the way JWs will do, then you can never convince me that you know anything about the true God until you present a people trained by that God you know who are exhibiting the fine qualities of that your God, until then my friend you're just a hopeless racist and self-centered nepotist to any right thinking person like me.
Charity begins at home so go and help your God build what everyone can SEE to appreciate your God!

anu3:
Hmmm... Nothing much to say, or I'll have to repeat my previous post. But I wouldn't encourage you to continue to believe that your group is the only true group: it's not scriptural.
Alas, people like you and the likes of some of my former church members are very difficult to convince even with inspired scriptures of God, because your group/church founders' original teachings are more important to you. However, the best is to follow the example of the Berean christians (acts 17:11)
Please, think about this passage below with a little fresh mind, if you don't mind:
Mark.9.38 - Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
Mark.9.39 - But Jesus said, "DO NOT FORBID HIM, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mark.9.40 - for he who is NOT AGAINST US IS ON OUR SIDE.Anyway, thanks for your time.
Take care.

I know you won't like the idea of knowing the group practicing true Christianity, yet you want to complain about what is happening in your Churches.

Well the people who became Christians in Berea studied the Bible diligently to be sure that Jesus' GROUP are the one and only group in Israel worshiping the God of Abraham the way the prophecy foretold regarding the end of Jerusalem's paganism. So i have studied the Bible diligently before coming to tell you all the signs Jesus foretold about Jehovah's Witnesses therefore if you're complaining about what is happening in your Churches but don't want to join the church that's practicing the purity Jesus foretold it's OK, at least i've told you that all the money making stuffs happening in your Churches and materialistic lifestyles of your so called pastors couple with their display of wealth can't be found in true Christianity (Jehovah's Witnesses organization)

As for Jesus' followers complaining about the disciple that's not with Jesus bodily that's easy to understand because that person believes everything Jesus taught: loving neighbours as himself, ready to pray for the good of his enemies (not cursing them), prepared to preach from house to house and door to door just as Jesus taught them and wants everyone to know that out of all the rival religious sects in Israel back then, Jesus' GROUP is the one and only group through which salvation can be possible.

The Holy Spirit has not come to establish the group because the temple worship must first be condemned before God's Holy Spirit comes to establish the church, that's why Jesus said that man is with them spiritually. But after Pentecost whoever refuse to join the Apostles and learn from them is on his or her own Jesus will not recognized such a person as his own.
That's what Jesus meant when he said to the Apostles:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” Matthew 16:19

It was after Pentecost that the group received this promise so whatever they bind or loose will be granted in heaven.
I have heard you but know that if you're not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES you and i aren't worshiping the same God!

anu3:
MaxInDHouse
Ok bro... I think I get you. But for me I try to stick to the scriptures: especially the teachings of Jesus and his apostles (the new testament). As revealed in the scriptures, I don't believe in a ONE Group type of Christianity. TRUE disciples of Jesus, who obey Jesus words are scattered all over the world, just that they are very very few (they are outside and inside different groups or local churches).

The reason why I couldn't continue with those churches was mainly because of the Leaders' attitude to Money and honour of the world. Jesus said a servant will be as his master (leaders blinded by Money and Popularity will lead their followers into the same pit). And I think there are still some good, "innocent" christians in those churches I left too (possibly), who are yet to get light on how their great Pastors and Church founders are leading them to the worship of Mammon and Honour of the world.

Hence, I can fellowship with anyone (outside or inside ANY group or church) who truly believes and obeys Jesus according to the new testament. Jesus said by their FRUITS we shall know them, not necessarily by their Groups, Bible knowledge or other gifts or things.

Thanks.

Jehovah's Witnesses are his true disciples today, they are unitedly worshiping their God as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Micah 4:1:3} and regarding the highlighted it's false religionists claiming Christians that are SCATTERED in different sects claiming denominations yet they are contradicting themselves! Luke 11:23

All the qualities i mentioned above are present in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses yet everyone knows that they are also imperfect people because we do see some of them commit blunders but with God's Holy Spirit in their gathering there is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} throughout their gatherings, this is the FRUIT which Jesus said you will SEE in the gathering of his own followers {Matthew 7:16-18} to distinguish between them and false religionists claiming Christians! Matthew 7:21-23

May you have PEACE!

maynia:
Luke 22:36
New International Version
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Jesus talked in parables so if you're not ready to learn from us (Jehovah's Witnesses) you can never understand what he meant.

Now read the remaining part of that story:

For I tell you that what is written must be accomplished in me, namely, ‘He was counted with lawless ones.’ For this is being fulfilled concerning me.” Then they said: “Lord, look! here are two swords.” He said to them: “It is enough.” Luke 22:37-38

Now ask yourself, is it swords that Jesus really want them to get one each or something else?
Remember he said in the previous verse:
"If you don't have a sword, sell your cloth and buy one" you and i know that the people with him in that place were 12 in number yet they brought out two swords and Jesus said "it is enough" definitely what he had in mind is not physical swords but something else. Later when they've been baptized with the Holy Spirit they discovered Jesus was talking about God's word not a physical SWORD!

Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word! Ephesians 6:17

Secondly if Jesus wants them to use swords why didn't he teach them how to use it by leading? Why did he rebuked Peter who used it when necessary? Matthew 26:52

Well if you must know the practical application of what our Master, Lord and King Jesus Christ meant in that verse, study Jehovah's Witnesses today and try to find out any of them from the smallest to the greatest who doesn't have a copy of the Bible (the spiritual SWORD) a Jehovah's Witness may not have costly clothing but you find him/her with his/her full copy of the Bible! John 17:17

May you have PEACE!