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MightySparrow:
The second lord doesn't have personal name also?

Peter later identified the second lord as "Jesus"
Act 3:20-22

MightySparrow:
As many as I lay hands upon

Thousands of translations (including edited versions) are in circulation today, that's why we need to compare how each translator rendered the verses.
When i was contemplating on the significance of God's personal name i read Psalms 110:1

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. KJV

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet. NWT

Peter (after his anointing) said this verse is talking about how God appointed Jesus {Act 3:22} so i reasoned that the KJV referred to the two as Lord but if the second lord has a PERSONAL name "Jesus" then the first Lord also must have a personal name and that's what the NWT put there in their own translation!

Goshen360:
He doesn't teach tithing to believers neither doesn't he collect tithe from Christians. What are u talking about?

I asked for the OP's opinion on the subject so let me say mine!

Christianity is a way of life that connects the adherent to God {John 1:11-12} the young man from Nazareth claimed that it's impossible for anyone to get connected to the divine without Christianity {John 14:6} so Jesus said the first step after gaining the knowledge about God and Christ is water BAPTISM {Matthew 28:19} but what is the importance of water baptism?
Well Jesus' teachings is strange to everyone including his own people (Israelites) that's why many of his contemporaries reasoned that he was mad {John 10:20} even those who have been following him later turned back as they're confused about his utterances {John 6:66} but few people realized that everlasting life can be possible only through this man! John 6:68

So when Jesus COMMANDED that new converts must be baptized we need to ask for the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of this act.
Since Jesus' teachings is totally different from all other religious doctrines and many people detests those accepting this teachings {Matthew 10:22} the adherents needs to know individuals who wants to subject themselves to this line of thought so whenever anyone has dedicated his life to this course in the secret {Matthew 6:6} there is a necessity for a public declaration and that is symbolized by the WATER BAPTISM!

The Ethiopian Eunuch read Isaiah's prophecy about the Messiah (Christ) but couldn't grasp the person Isaiah was talking about, Philip approached him and enlighten him but Philip never missed the necessary act to signify that this Ethiopian Eunuch is fully prepared to live his life in harmony with Jesus' teachings, he talked to him about baptism and when they got to a body of water the man instantly asked Philip to baptize him.
God's Holy Spirit directed Philip to this Ethiopian Eunuch and it's through their discussion that Philip convinced him about baptism in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19
Please if water baptism is not necessary Philip who was filled with the spirit won't teach the Ethiopian nor go ahead BAPTIZING him with WATER! Act 8:26-40

GOD bless you and may you have PEACE!

OP that's the man's PERSONAL opinion, what of yours?

See STORY!
Why all these wahala?
Ògbéni find something better to do with your time and leave them with their God nah?

Workch:
Please note that this thread is for people that are well grounded in philosophy and any fallacy shouldn't be made while making your points. Each of the arguments below aims to show that a particular set of gods does not exist—by demonstrating them to be inherently meaningless, contradictory, or at odds with known scientific or historical facts—or that there is insufficient proof to say that they do exist.

Empirical arguments
Empirical arguments depend on knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation to prove their conclusions.

The argument from inconsistent revelations contests the existence of the deity called God as described in scriptures—such as the Hindu Vedas, the Jewish Tanakh, the Christian Bible, the Muslim Qur’an, the Book of Mormon or the Baha’i Aqdas—by identifying apparent contradictions between different scriptures, within a single scripture, or between scripture and known facts.

The problem of evil contests the existence of a god who is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent by arguing that such a god should not permit the existence of evil or suffering. The theist responses are called theodicies.

The destiny of the unevangelized, by which persons who have never even heard of a particular revelation might be harshly punished for not following its dictates.

The argument from poor design contests the idea that God created life on the basis that lifeforms, including humans, seem to exhibit poor design.

The argument from nonbelief contests the existence of an omnipotent God who wants humans to believe in him by arguing that such a god would do a better job of gathering believers.

The argument from parsimony (using Occam’s razor) contends that since natural (non-supernatural) theories adequately explain the development of religion and belief in God's, the actual existence of such supernatural agents is superfluous and may be dismissed unless otherwise proven to be required to explain the phenomenon.

The analogy of Russell’s teapot argues that the burden of proof for the existence of God lies with the theist rather than the atheist. The Russell’s teapot analogy can be considered an extension of Occam’s Razor.

Stephen Hawking and co-author Leonard Mlodinow state in their book the Grand Design that it is reasonable to ask who or what created the universe, but if the answer is God, then the question has merely been deflected to that of who created God. Both authors claim that it is possible to answer these questions purely within the realm of science, and without invoking any divine beings. Some Christian philosophers disagree.
Deductive arguments
Deductive arguments attempt to prove their conclusions by deductive reasoning from true premises.

The Ultimate Boeing 747 gambit is a counter-argument to the argument from design. The argument from design claims that a complex or ordered structure must be designed. However, a god that is responsible for the creation of a universe would be at least as complicated as the universe that it creates. Therefore, it too must require a designer. And its designer would require a designer also, ad infinitum. The argument for the existence of God is then a logical fallacy with or without the use of special pleading. The Ultimate 747 gambit states that God does not provide an origin of complexity, it simply assumes that complexity always existed. It also states that design fails to account for complexity, which natural selection can explain.

The omnipotence paradox suggests that the concept of an omnipotent entity is logically contradictory, from considering a question like: “Can God create a rock so big that He cannot move it?” or “If God is all powerful, could God create a being more powerful than Himself?”
The omniscience paradox contests further problems between omnipotence and omniscience, such as a lack of ability to create something unknown to God.

The problem of hell is the idea that eternal damnation for actions committed in a finite existence contradicts God’s omnibenevolence or omnipresence.

The argument from free will contests the existence of an omniscient god who has free will—or has allotted the same freedom to his creations—by arguing that the two properties are contradictory. According to the argument, if God already knows the future, then humanity is destined to corroborate with his knowledge of the future and not have true free will to deviate from it. Therefore, our free will contradicts an omniscient god. Another argument attacks the existence of an omniscient god who has free will directly in arguing that the will of God himself would be bound to follow whatever God foreknows himself doing throughout eternity.

A counter-argument against the Cosmological argument (“chicken or the egg”) takes its assumption that things cannot exist without creators and applies it to God, setting up an infinite regress. This attacks the premise that the universe is the second cause (after God, who is claimed to be the first cause).
Theological noncognitivism, as used in literature, usually seeks to disprove the god-concept by showing that it is unverifiable by scientific tests.

The anthropic argument states that if God is omniscient, omnipotent, and morally perfect, He would have created other morally perfect beings instead of imperfect humans.

Inductive arguments
Inductive arguments argue their conclusions through inductive reasoning.

The atheist-existential argument for the non-existence of a perfect sentient being states that if existence precedes essence, it follows from the meaning of the term sentient that a sentient being cannot be complete or perfect. It is touched upon by Jean-Paul Sartre in Being and Nothingness. Sartre’s phrasing is that God would be a pour-soi [a being-for-itself; a consciousness] who is also an en-soi [a being-in-itself; a thing]: which is a contradiction in terms. The argument is echoed thus in Salman Rushdie‘s novel Grimus: “That which is complete is also dead.”
The “no reason” argument tries to show that an omnipotent and omniscient being would not have any reason to act in any way, specifically by creating the universe, because it would have no needs, wants, or desires since these very concepts are subjectively human. Since the universe exists, there is a contradiction, and therefore, an omnipotent god cannot exist. This argument is expounded upon by Scott Adams in the book God’s Debris, which puts forward a form of Pandeism as its fundamental theological model. A similar argument is put forward in Ludwig von Mises‘s “Human Action”. He referred to it as the “praxeological argument” and claimed that a perfect being would have long ago satisfied all its wants and desires and would no longer be able to take action in the present without proving that it had been unable to achieve its wants faster—showing it imperfect.
The “historical induction” argument concludes that since most theistic religions throughout history (e.g. ancient Egyptian religion, ancient Greek religion) and their gods ultimately come to be regarded as untrue or incorrect, all theistic religions, including contemporary ones, are therefore most likely untrue/incorrect by induction. It is implied as part of Stephen F. Roberts’ popular quotation:
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Subjective arguments
Anecdotal evidence
Similar to the subjective arguments for the existence of God, subjective arguments against the supernatural mainly rely on the testimony or experience of witnesses, or the propositions of a revealed religion in general.
The witness argument gives credibility to personal witnesses, contemporary and from the past, who disbelieve or strongly doubt the existence of God.
The conflicted religions argument notes that many religions give differing accounts as to what God is and what God wants; since all the contradictory accounts cannot be correct, many if not all religions must be incorrect. The disappointment argument claims that if, when asked for, there is no visible help from God, there is no reason to believe that there is a God.

haddeylium:
Yahweh is Salvation/YHWH is Salvation/ Jehofa ni Olugbala

Jèhófà ní Olùgbàlà!

But what is Jèhófà or Jehovah a personal name or title because Ra (Egypt) Zeus (Greece) Jupiter (Rome) Krishna (India) are personal names of the Gods people in those countries worshiped in times past.
So what is Jèhófà or Jehovah?

bobestman:
Lol ....I weep for your ignorance. You still go around teaching rubbish and trying to convert ppl into that Cult but don't know what it means to be spiritual
To be spiritual, you don't need religion or any man. You can hear your Creator and recieve direction from him thru dreams, Revelations and Visions without the help of people. You can discern to know if JW are actually telling you the truth. Those who preached the gospel in the bible, didn't they do some miracles if they want and signs ? Can you and your JW, do any of such? Blind man following a blind group will all fall inside gutter. I have told you a lot to cure your brainwash. If you choose to remain asleep, that's your cup of tea.

According to you spirituality is individual not for group so go do yours while i do mine but i believe it's a group thing that's why i speak with my neighbours to know who also believe the same like me so that we can come together and work out the benefits of spirituality. As for miracles the true God never promised any other nation supernatural signs the first and last nation God dealt with in such supernatural signs is Israel! Matthew 15:22-24
God's word says after the Bible is complete no supernatural GIFTS will be seen again! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

So if you're studying try to be fully equipped with knowledge not just halfbaked info then trying to judge others for not following your myopic way of thinking!

If you believe spirituality is individual no wahala but we that believe it has to do with coming together will continue to benefit ourselves. Meanwhile you haven't answered my question:
What is the meaning of FAKE or FALSE?
Because whatever yields positive results can't be taken as fake or false by right thinking individuals!

The false teachings that the true God favours His worshipers materially is the major reason why atheism is gaining ground today because majority will take it religiously but after they've been disappointed they start demanding why God didn't fulfil His promises which was never a promise from God but misinformation from confused religionists.

Damnfailure:
I still curse God

This commentator typed this but a true believer with discernment will know that what this man meant in his heart is "i want to speak with that God whom they say do favour His worshipers because i know many who truly worshiped Him with all their heart yet they are poor" whereas both the atheist and his so called relation were misinformed!
That's why Jehovah's Witnesses teaches exactly what the Bible says:
God is not the one behind the riches of this world! Luke 4:5-8

LordReed:
Do JWs divorce one another?

Of course we are imperfect but a divorcee will not be comfortable in our midst because we don't appreciate divorcees in our midst. That's part of the reasons why many do leave our organization because once you're a divorcee there are lots of privileges you can't have in our midst, so each person who wants to be viewed as a bonafide member of our global family must fight really hard to keep their marital vows!

LordReed:
Nah I leave it to you, you do an excellent job of self deceit.

That's what many often say when they realized that they're chatting with a true believer but i don't just leave you in doubts i present the benefits of real faith that you can never find anywhere else!

MightySparrow:
Remember, you back out of debate with me.

I have told you that i hate fruitless arguments {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9} so if you don't want a specific answer that will make us know exactly what God's word requires then i'll leave you to chat with others, i believe you're enjoying the chatting with the Ex-Kingdom Hall attendee!

Truvelisback:
What practical way are u talking abt? I have shown u the scripture. They weren't poor, they were rich. They were rich where rich when Jesus was with them and even after His departure. Jesus, asked the disciples, Do u lack anything? They said No. Anyway, thanks for letting me know that JW members are poor.

You already said you detests what we teach so don't worry, we are not materialistic yet you will never find a JW beggar {Psalms 37:25} that's the import of what our first century brothers meant when they said they lack nothing, remember the three basic NEEDS: FOOD, CLOTHING and SHELTER but as for WANTS (which is unlimited) true believers will never go for it! Psalms 23:1

Thanks for your time!

Kobojunkie:
But you need to read the message in context to properly understand it. Jesus Christ made that promise only applies to those who abandon everything for His sake - Matthew 19 vs 16 - 30
Again, only those who abandon Everything will obtain that promise from Jesus Christ.

Are the brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children becoming your personal possessions?

Because it simply means believers in all places will become your spiritual fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, children and anywhere they live will become like home to you.
That's why Jesus could tell his disciples to go and tell one of his spiritual families to prepare a place in his house for their brothers to celebrate the passover!
and wherever he goes inside, say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says: “Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?” Mark 14:14

Meanwhile Jesus confirmed that he doesn't have his own personal house:

But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head! Matthew 8:20

Truvelisback:
Matt19:27-29

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake,,, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. Matthew 19:27-29

Well let me interpret this the JWs way:

When we choose to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses families, friends and colleagues may desert us due to our faith and in most cases we may loose our jobs because of the way we want to keep ourselves spotless from the world. But if we keep focusing on the kingdom and it's blessings we will have brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children, jobs offers houses to stay if we loose our former abode and in the new world everlasting life.

This happened to me in a practical way, i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses and everyone turned against me, i was scared that i'm loosing the people i used to know from childhood but today i can travel to any country on this planet and Jehovah's Witnesses there will welcome me like their son, brother or father simply because i keep focusing on the price and mind you i have millions of places to sleep in the houses of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the entire world!

Please can you also interpret Jesus' words in a PRACTICAL way?

LordReed:
Liar, liar, pants on fire. LMFAO!

Keep deceiving yourself!

enilove:
What you wrote above is meant for you since you once claimed that ADAM WAS YOUR CREATOR AND GOD.
Leave this JW organization before it is too late. They are teaching you people nonsense .

Jumping from pillar to post!

My friend, it is appointed for man to die once and after this judgment, that's what God's word teaches so if anyone comes to tell us that he saw God's judgment before it occurs then we know it's the result of malaria parasite!

achorladey:
JWs have used Jesus' teachings to settled all their racial disparities.. MaxInDHouse
And a member of yours almost hammered another fellow member with a dangerous object immediately after the conclusion of a three days religious gathering of your on assembly ground and leaders within your congregations throw blows at bus park
Oga spare us this regimented kind of thinking.

Chei see human thinking!

Well for the benefit of the atheists i'll respond to this!

Imperfect humans can't do without having issues and it may lead to strife between two persons but God's people will never take sides which is what leads to one side taking up weapons against the other, rather God's people will settle the matter between the two agitators that's the import of what God's word says @ Isaiah 2:2-4 not that imperfect humans can't have issues.
So humble yourself and learn!

enilove:
You want to decide for God , isn't it ?
The people who died and came back had no power of theirs to do so . God that sent them back to earth knows why He sent them back .
It is left to you to believe or not to believe.

We are believers in what God's word teaches not fables from all sides {2Timothy 4:3-4} so if you choose to believe every wind of teaching then it means you can't speak for your god since anything can be tied to it, therefore you must accept all stories as authentic after all your god has nothing you must defend!

Atheists can't make peace reign in their gathering~ Maximus

We (atheists) can make it work~ LordReed

Can you present a gathering of atheists working towards that?~ Maximus

The Church of Satan~ LordReed listing their agenda.

All these are common ideas in all human society yet none has ever worked~ Maximus

But we can come together to reason~ LordReed

Sure you'll meet but it will not work because racism and politics will hinder you~ Maximus

You said we can't meet together~ LordReed

Nothing stops people from meeting together but achieving LOVE, JOY and PEACE is what is impossible without the spirit of God~ Maximus

LordReed is correct~ Acholardey

Do you believe it's possible for imperfect humans to achieve PEACE without the Prince of Peace~ Maximus to Acholardey

It's not necessary for Jesus to be in their group for them to achieve PEACE~ Acholardey

OK let me here a YES or NO then explain~ Maximus

Jesus said the atheists are wiser than believers~ Acholardey

That's not what Jesus meant~ Maximus

It is just accept that you were wrong for insisting that atheists can't make peace reign without Jesus the Prince of Peace~ Acholardey

Maximus

enilove:
If you love to live after death , take my advice and repent , it is not too late for you.
The Bible says in :
Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
The argument is not about the judgement but about whether it is possible for someone to die and come back to life again .
This is your statement :
So is it once people die and face God's judgment according to the Bible or twice according to your so called pastor? 2Timothy 4:3-4
Since you now remember that there were people who died and came back to live again, why posting again ?
Let me explain Hebrew 9:27 to you .
Those that died and came back to life were given grace .
And who can question God's grace and mercy ?
Romans 9:15 KJV
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
And mercy have power over judgement :
James 2:13 KJV
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
I just pray that God will have mercy on you for not believing those revelations , despite seeing them in the Bible.

No wonder you people keep arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing one another without any agreement on which of your numerous pastors is from God!

Well let me rephrase what i said perhaps you'll get the sense in it this time:

God's word said "it is appointed for man to die once and after this judgment"
Two things are involved in Paul's comment:
DEATH and JUDGMENT
Now many have died and were resurrected but never mentioned anything about the judgment, which makes Paul's comment sound reasonable because if we are to concentrate on dying once then Paul's comment is wrong but he added judgment which makes it clear that nobody ever dies face God's judgment and came back to talk about what is happening there! Luke 16:29-31
Secondly the judgment will commence after all the death are resurrected in the last days {Revelations 20:11-15} so can you now correlate your pastor's experience with what we found in God's word? Galatians 1:8

Don't worry continue chatting with him, i think he's enjoying the discussion with you!

achorladey:
I can't make anything out of this post....

That post was not meant for him in the first place. . I am not dealing with regimented thinking here.

I don't like dubious answers. Answer directly...... MightySparrow

His questions were

Ok to whom was revealed this name?

He has my response already, I answered, he called it DUBIOUS. That's not a problem of mine. It is his for calling it DUBIOUS and he has to come back and tell me the name he is talking about or pick from the list of mine

How is the name to be used... MightySparrow

He has my answers to that already.

We no dey deal with regimented kind of thinking here

He'll never be able to answer a single question convincingly because he wants to support all forms of worship so how do you want him to be specific when you ask him any question?.... MaxInDHouse

Baba you dey seek consolation abi. This thread is already down the drain. Long before this time. Na today dem dey give repeated answers that don't dance to your tune your likes will resort to abuse insults, labels and tags and the regimented thinking.

MightySparrow:
I don't like dubious answers. Answer directly.

I was chatting with LordReed (an atheist) over the certainty that the Church of Satan will fail to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering because they don't want to talk about Jesus who is the key to these things!

So your friend Ex-Kingdom Hall attendee came into the discussion to support the motion that atheists can make peace reign in their gathering (without the spirit of God)

Therefore i asked him the below question:

Is it possible for imperfect humans like the gathering of atheists to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without God?

A YES or NO will do then you can explain further!

Your friend's response to the question!

achorladey:
This is what Jesus your master says.....
And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.
Awon deliberately chatting people calling people mad everywhere now seeks a YES/NO answer. You want to save face abi?

Please can you make anything out of his response?
Well the truth is whoever turn his/her back on God's organization can never be specific so they are either here nor there!

MightySparrow:
I don't like dubious answers. Answer directly.

MightySparrow:
I can't make anything out of this post.

You will enjoy the company of people who left Jehovah's Witnesses organization!

Sebi you don't want people who will be specific when you're chatting with them on what God wants us to do!

MightySparrow:
So, you are Jevovah's counselor, He must consult you on who and what to accep?

Now try to reason along with an ex-Kingdom Hall attendee who is criticizing what we are doing in the organization!
You'll now understand what i meant each time i ask them if they've found a better performing group while they'll be agitating as if the question is bitting them.
He'll never be able to answer a single question convincingly because he wants to support all forms of worship so how do you want him to be specific when you ask him any question?

Truvelisback:
They were never poor. Read ur Bible. The Bible said, they never lacked anything According to the book of Acts4 and 5. When peter asked Jesus what would be their reward after they left all and followed him. Jesus promised them earthly material blessings and eternal life. They experienced this. It obvious u don't know what it means to be poor.

Please quote or cite the verse where Jesus made such promise!

Regarding Elijah, Elisha, John, Jesus and Paul i will quote the scriptures to prove what i typed!

bobestman:
Hahaha you are carried away by works and that is what religion do to decieve. They show you proof of their works but spiritually, they are dead. You look at their outward appearances but you can't spiritually see and decern if it is the true way. And I had told you countless times, they don't know what they are teaching. You believe too much on what you see. They are doing what they read cos they want to belong. Those things are not for them. It is for a separated, sanctified and choosen ppl that will be called out from the croud at the right time. The calling is individually not religiously or denominationally. I tell you again, the true way is very narrow and only a few know it not croud. Religions are the croud, the Broadway of destruction.

You are totally confused, you want people to believe that spirituality is individually not for group then what is my business with you?
Why not go and do yours while i do mine?
Why must we chat about spirituality?

achorladey:
This is what Jesus your master says.....

And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.

Awon deliberately chatting people calling people mad everywhere know seeks a YES/NO answer. You want to save face abi?

It's OK you are not ready!

Truvelisback:
So, it normal and it's the will of God for a christians to suffer financial hardship, hunger, poverty.

You said you detests us for carrying what Jesus taught on our heads but if you ask questions i will still answer provided it doesn't irritate you the more.

Now to answer your question:

God never promised his worshipers material gain that's why Jesus said material possessions or gains can be gotten by anybody be you a believer or unbeliever because God opens His hands towards all {Matthew 5:45} so it's chances and opportunities that causes people to become either rich or poor! Ecclesiastes 9:11

There are three basic NEEDS of all humans, it's food, clothing and shelter. Jesus confirmed that all true Christians will never lack these basic NEEDS {Matthew 6:31-32 compare to 1Timothy 6:8} but the rest are WANTS which are unlimited so God's word warned us not to have love for them! Matthew 13:22 compare to 1Timithy 6:9-10

Please anyone can be rich and anyone can be poor, Abraham, Job and Solomon were God's servants, they were rich during their lifetime.
Elijah, John , Jesus and Paul were also God's servants, they were poor throughout their lifetime. So material gain has nothing to do with our spirituality.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

bobestman:
Hahaha it is only brainwashed and gullible ppl like you they will decieve with all that. They go everywhere teaching what they don't know and things prophesied to come at the end with great signs. Can a dead Church who don't believe in all those signs and miracles, who cant even perform any of them teach those things? Wake up man, you all are decieving yourselves. Keep swimming in the pool of delusion they created for you. Stop mentioning me so you won't recieve another truth that will shock you

You're not presenting any achievements of any group of people but with all the fine things a group is achieving you say "they are deceiving benefactors all those goodies"

Na wah for you o, so there are still some people who don't even know the meaning of the word "DECEIVE"

How do you think you can convince someone who is benefitting from something that it's fake yet you can't present anything better?

Chei, Jehovah's Witnesses my God will continue to bless guys for coming to teach me, if not how can i see the stupidity in people like this one?

People come together from different races all over the world, they're benefitting themselves and someone say they've been brainwashed whereas look! He can't even point to a better performing group!

Truvelisback:
This is why i detest JW people. U guys are snaky in answering questions. I asked a simple question: Apart from eternal life, what is real success in life? U are there saying Jargons and beating around the bush. Don't i know everything on earth vanity? Likewise, poverty is vanity too.

Note the highlighted:

and you will be hated by all people because of my name. Luke 21:17

I presented what Jesus said to you and you said you detests JWs for carrying what Jesus taught on our head, well we are not surprised.
But know today that the only thing that matters to Jesus and Jehovah's Witnesses is the everlasting life that's why we don't count any material or worldly things as success just as our Master, Lord and King Jesus Christ also never count any of those things as success.

Before you get more irritated let me take my leave {Proverbs 17:14} meanwhile Jesus loves you much more than what the world view as success.

May you have PEACE!

achorladey:
After trying to interprete a scripture I cited with all your narrative you will still have to read and read it again.
Is it possible for imperfect humans like the gathering of atheists to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering without God?.... MaxInDHouse
And his master commended the steward, though unrighteous, because he acted with practical wisdom; for the sons of this system of things are wiser in a practical way toward their own generation than the sons of the light are.
Read the above again or accept the remarks of LordReed.
I will repeat, calling people mad no go add an inch to your life. If you respond deliberately or unknowingly na your palaver. If you like continue to deny by hiding under you want to draw out LordReed. Na still your palaver. No be today we sabi your forward and backward thinking panel beated with regimentation

Just a YES or NO will solve this then you can explain later.

The question again:

Can imperfect humans like atheists make LOVE, JOY and PEACE (which are the qualities of God's Holy Spirit) reign in their midst without having to consider Jesus' teachings?

LordReed:
You wrote what is patently untrue so the clown here is you.

JWs have used Jesus' teachings to settled all their racial disparities so they will never raise weapons against anyone talkless their fellow believers!
Do you know any group at all that you can vouch for like that?
Well when i say atheists can never succeed in taking things cool with life's anxieties that's exactly what i mean!

bobestman:
Hehehe swallow your pride and learn the the truth I drop here. They are not just ranting. They are both researchable and spiritual. JW is a spiritually dead Church. They don't believe in many spiritually things, how can they see?

Jesus promised that his true followers will be active throughout the earth with preaching and teaching in all their neighbourhood {Act 1:8} they will settle all their racial disparities because they will have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} people globally will know their teachings as totally different from all other religions {Matthew 5:13-16} they will have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} they will love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} they will be hated by all other common religions {Matthew 10:22} they will not participate in the world's political affairs {John 15:19; 17:14; 18:36} they will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Micah 4:1-3

All these have been fulfilled by just one group throughout the earth but you're here saying they don't believe and those that believe are the killers you want to present as followers of the man who commanded his followers to love and pray for their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} my friend you need extra brain if you can't see how foolish you've being!