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XXXXTENTACION:
MaxInDHouse you surely know how to twist words...
firstly the two verses I gave you were written in english so don't twist the words and their meanings...
secondly the author of those two verses never gave any instructions that they should be interpreted symbolically... So I don't know where you got your interpretations from...

Guy, you are human like me so learn to reason like humans for once.
I've shown you where God said many will not get the sense of His words {Daniel 12:10} and before then the Bible made us to understand that Jesus is the word of God {John 1:1} which means in the spirit realms Jesus is the person through whom Bible writers were getting all the inspiration from God.
Now Jesus is a person who always teach with PARABLES {Matthew 13:13} this Jesus is still the same person {Hebrews 13:8} so don't expect the words to be easily understood by arrogant people like you who won't accept to learn the meaning of those PARABLES! Matthew 13:34-35

tctrills:
From your Judas example, we that it was possible for one of Jesus Christ apostles to fall away despite all the teaches.. how much more easier would it be for the child of an ordinary man to fall away even if he is taught the right.
One more thing, we all are God's children according to the bible. I am sure God has done all he can to save everyone of us. If at the last day, all of God's children wouldn't be saved despite all he has done for them, then why do you expect a better result from ordinary humans.

Well Jesus disagree with the highlighted:

You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. John 8:44

So will you like to know what Jesus meant by the above statement or you still think everyone is God's children?
Judas committed a grievous blunder and his conscience really works that's why he opted for suicide, those that paid him to betray Jesus are never God's children!

oteneaaron:
How can you teach what you do not even understand?
This is a very simple concept to grasp.

Brother man, it you who needs to be enlightened.

- What does it really mean for you to Love Yourself?

- Do you even know what Love really means?

Think about these questions carefully.

The words Jesus spoke in the bible are very easy to understand.

These were your exact words:



You have turned a very simple teaching on its head - it is so sad.

You and the man next to you are one and the same, from one single source - God almighty.

There is no discrimination with God - no matter your religion or the faith you profess.

We are all his children which means we are all brothers and sisters, making up a very large extended family of mankind.

I know you strongly believe that the words the Jesus spoke in the Bible was meant for only JWs - I can never take that away from you.

But until you understand what love really means, my words will only sound like gibberish to you.

Welcome to a new week!

Guy i have nothing more to discuss with you because it's evident that you don't want to believe Jesus' own words, but next time don't ever call me your brother again because i'm not your brother in anyway. YES you're my neighbour but brother according to Jesus it's only those related to me by faith that are my brothers: Matthew 12:46-50

May you have PEACE!

XXXXTENTACION:
The bible just seems to contradict itself...
kindly explain Revelations 21:1
and also 2 peter 33:13....

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. Revelations 21:1

Note the highlighted in red, that's the secret of the verse telling God's children that the verse is symbolic. For your information the symbolic heavens means "human government" the symbolic earth means their "faithless subjects" and the sea that will no more exist means people tossed about with all kinds of theories! Isaiah 57:20

For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people! 2Peter 3:5-7

This verse is talking about UNGODLY PEOPLE not the physical heavens and earth!

But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell. 2Peter 3:13
This verse is promising a system where people will be doing what is right always! Psalms 37:9-11


The symbolic terms used need to be understood so if you're not taught by the chosen you will be among the wicked that the Bible said will not understand:

Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand. Daniel 12:10

So if you're not humble enough to learn from the JWs you will just find out that you'll be going from one religion to another claiming Christian yet you won't be able to present the group of people teaching what the Bible says! Luke 11:23

tctrills:
3 things here.
You are still assuming that they were awful parents. I have no problem with people making assumptions but at least you need to note that it's your personal opinion before someone quotes you thinking he is quoting the bible.
Also, you brought up Judas. Don't you think there are children who were well taught but like Judas, they don't want to continue with the teachings of their parents.

Judas committed a grievous blunder and he felt so bad afterwards meaning Jesus' teachings is still at work in this guys heart despite his errors. Had it been he is able to return and beg Jesus for forgiveness Judas would have returned, but it was too late because he saw Jesus killed due to the blunder he committed.
So do not compare children who has no conscience with Judas!

Finally if the parents are always to blame then no child should be punished for his sins. Parents should be punished for the sins of their kids

Both share the blame but when the parent tries to train the child God doesn't take the child's error to the parent, what God's word is saying is that you can succeed in raising God-fearing children if you follow the protocols set in Deuteronomy 6:4-9

XXXXTENTACION:
No need for long epistles just express yourself in simple sentences...
pls in summary are you saying the world is not going to end...

What did God say?

And Jehovah began to smell a pleasing aroma. So Jehovah said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground on man’s account, for the inclination of the heart of man is bad from his youth up; and never again will I strike down every living thing as I have done. From now on, the earth will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest cold and heat, summer and winter and day and night! Genesis 8:21-22

Read your Bible not what misinformed Churchgoers are saying!

Truvelisback:
Be deceiving urself. Who was the person that spoke in Acts13:2. The only thing JW are very good at is twisting the truth.

Jesus promised that where two or three are gathered together in his name he will be in their midst {Matthew 18:20} So when we read that the Holy Spirit say or directed believers in anything we know that Jesus is using God's active force to navigate them towards what they supposed to do!

"But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you" John 14:26


However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come. John 16:13

Today only Jehovah's Witnesses organization saying the Holy Spirit is God's Active Force are able to make LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL reign in their midst {Galatians 5:22-23} others are just pointing accusing fingers at one another saying they're using witchcraft to perform black magic {Matthew 7:21-23} whereas the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit which supposed to be the evidence that they truly have the knowledge of God's Holy Spirit is missing completely in all their gatherings! Matthew 7:16-18

But i'm not interested in blind arguments so if you want to prove that God's Holy Spirit is a person please mention just one group of people in whose midst Mr Holy Spirit is working. Only Jehovah's Witnesses have succeeded in making zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word globally, only Jehovah's Witnesses have erased RACISM and POLITICS from the brains of all their members globally, they have removed weapons from the hands of all their members so that none of them thinks about WARS again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

None of all you Mr Holy Spirit subscribers has achieved anything tangible despite all your noises up and down. When people talk about LOVE that Jesus said will serve as the proof of his true followers {John 13:34-35} only Jehovah's Witnesses have the love that even their enemies can't deny it.

So who truly knows the identify of God's Holy Spirit, those whose faith has no WORKS {James 2:18-26} or JWs whose faith in WORKING what everyone can SEE! Matthew 5:13-16

Ammishaddai:
Bros, do you know what a force is ? If you don't, kindly read up on it. And secondly, the book of Act13:2 , boldy writes that the Holy Spirit was talking to the apostles in a clear and audible voice. So how can that be a "force"? Or do forces talk....

Well if you don't agree it's not by force just present a group of worshipers in whose midst Mr Holy Spirit is talking or working today. Simple!

tctrills:
Lol.. you know it's beginning to sound like an impossible riddle. These are some of the very best men to ever walk the earth and they found it impossible to train kids.
It's like a divine comedy.
The Bible discribes Abraham as a perfect men yet he is too distracted to raise his first son. It got to bad that he sent the boy and mother into the desert to die.
Finally, the bible never claimed aNY of these people got distracted so it would have been fair if you said it is your personal opinion and nothe necessarily a gospel truth.

They worshiped God and succeeded in making friends with him but regarding parenthood the did not get things right!
First of all training a child is like following Jesus' teachings, you don't need to have biological children before training them in God's way. Most people don't want their children to be too much spiritual so they often mix things unlike Jesus who taught his own spiritual children 100% spirituality. Only Judas Iscariot lost out not because he didn't want to continue in the things Jesus taught him but his conscience will not permit him to continue living seeing how woefully he failed despite all what their spiritual father taught them!

XXXXTENTACION:
This question is thrown at religous folks who believe that the world would end someday.....
am somehow curious like if the world ends today what becomes the fate of the other nine planets ....

You're following misinformed Churchgoers thoughts!
There are the utterances of God regarding planet earth:

He made his sanctuary as enduring as the heavens, Like the earth that he has established forever. Psalms 78:69

He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place forever and ever. Psalms 104:5

Your faithfulness is through all generations. You have firmly established the earth, so that it continues to stand. Psalms 119:90

So humble yourself and learn from true followers of Christ!

Ammishaddai:
Kobojunkie and Maxinthehouse should help us explain

The Holy Spirit is not a person but God's active force. The verse doesn't mean they heard a voice but while deliberating on what Jesus taught them they discovered that the Holy Spirit is navigating their thoughts towards that direction.
Though when most people read the Bible they don't meditate thoroughly so if anyone wants to prove that the Holy Spirit is a person let him present the works of Mr Holy Spirit in the gathering of believers today! Galatians 5:22-23

tctrills:
So it's not 100% like you said 70% might just do.
Do you think Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Samuel, David and even Mary the mother of Jesus were awful parents?

100% simply means the best a parent can give i'm not talking about perfection but 100% concentration so that you will not be distracted.
All these people you mentioned got distracted because they believe in the children as their possessions not how God wants them to view the children which is God's possession!

PureStarman:
You're absolutely right Sir

The glory belongs to JEHOVAH and His only begotten son Jesus Christ!

hupernikao:
And then the corrupted name, abi? Or did God give Jehovah as his name? Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah? Even Moses, did he ever use Jehovah, J consonant? Vowels sound? Or you have corrupted the name?

Of course God is not interested in the way you pronounce his name but we must be aware that he has a PERSONAL name that's what matters.
For instance some call him Yehowah, Lehova, Jehovah, Jèhófà but we know that it's the tongue that differs the name is the same.
Just as the name Jesus, Jesu, Yeshua, Yesu is not disputed when mentioned!

PureStarman:
I know but don't misquote me
I'm talking about the physical realm

Of course the world is filled with paganism all claiming worshipers of God {Matthew 7:21-23} so they will practice interfaith in the name of denominations but for true believers we are no part of the world that's deceiving themselves! John 15:19

oteneaaron:
Wow.
I never knew you and I were having an argument.
So what have I said so far that makes me hate Jesus? Isn't that a strong accusation? I never disputed what Jesus said. I am only stating the obvious. When I call you brother, it is not only because you and I may share a faith. I don't know how to explain this to you any further.
It is very fine if you do not see the man next to you as your brother, but only as a neighbor.
It is still Jesus who taught that you should love your neighbor as yourself.

How can you love your neighbor as yourself if you do not see him or her as your brother or sister no matter the faith they profess?

It is also very fine if you only see a fellow JW as your brother. Life is not that hard.

If you want to learn we (JWs) will teach you but if you're not ready to learn it's OK we'll just tell you what we believe and leave you to choose whatever you wish!

You asked a thought provoking question and i'm sure your pastors or fellow Churchgoers can't answer the question, so let me enlighten on what you asked.


Jesus reminded the Israelites what the Mosaic laws told them {Leviticus 19:18} so loving my neighbour means doing exactly what i expected my neighbour to do for me whenever i need his help:

All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean. Matthew 7:12

That's the way i (as a believer) must love every human in the society.
But to Jehovah's Witnesses (Jesus' own true followers) he gave us a totally New Commandment:

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves! John 13:34-35

Here Jesus is not talking to the Israelites but to his own disciples telling us that we must love our fellow believers exactly the same way he love us

So a Jehovah's Witnesses must love everyone around him like himself but he must be prepared to die for his fellow JW just as Jesus was willing to die for his fellow believers:

No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends. John 15:13

Do you now see the difference?
For neighbours Jesus said i must love you the same way i love myself, but for my brother in faith i must love him the same way Jesus loves me!

Now tell me is there a difference between the way Jesus taught us to love or not?

Just humble yourself and learn from Jehovah's Witnesses (Jesus' true followers)

tctrills:
So your point is that training kids need perfection, no mistakes?
I again disagree. Parents don't have to be perfect to have good kids

No you got it wrong!
It's not about perfection but giving your best as if you're handling a project on which the survival of the entire human race depends!

You don't have to be perfect to do that, all you need is dedication with trust in God who will direct you through His word, organization and Holy Spirit to be successful in the task.
You have to see the children as God's possession given to you as employed caretaker! Psalms 127:3

oteneaaron:
As far as you are a human being, you and I are brothers. It doesn't matter what religion I may profess. The God that created you is the same God who created a Muslim. We are all brothers and sisters from the same father.
There is no other way of saying this.

I'm just trying to help you see how difficult it is for those who are not Jehovah's Witnesses to put what Jesus taught to use.
I quoted Jesus' own words for you but instead of saying you hate Jesus you're arguing with me as if what i quoted for you is written in the Bible by Jehovah's Witnesses!

Well you may take everyone as your brother but only Jehovah's Witnesses are my own brothers while all other people are my neighbours, that what Jesus taught! Matthew 12:46-50

God's word says training a child can be compared to building a house or guarding a city! Psalms 127:1-2
Then training them is like when a powerful archer handles a bow with an arrow, to reach the target he needs 100% concentration as in no distractions, then pull the bow with the last of his strength before releasing the arrow, for a certainty the arrow can never miss the desired target, even if it's not 100% the result will be 99.99999999% Psalms 127:3-5

That's what God's word says about training up a child!

Sasuke007:
that's the problem with Christianity
denominations

There is nothing like "DENOMINATION" in the spirit realms it's either you belong to God's organization or Satan's organization.
God's organization doesn't have more than one single global group and they all have the same line of thought! John 17:20-23
But Satan's organization have so many different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines but claiming they are on the same page! Matthew 7:13-14

when2:
Who said or what proof do you have that Christians don't know the the of God. Can any child claim that he or she doesn't know the name of his or her father?

Well tell them the name of your own God just as God's prophet said:

For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god, But we will walk in the name of JEHOVAH our God forever and ever Micah 4:5

You don't need to quote me, tell everyone the name of your own God, the name of my own God is JEHOVAH! Psalms 83:18

oteneaaron:
Hahahahaha We are all children of the same father, so yes - you are my brother. And I quoted you because I was speaking directly to you. Cheers mate!

Well you may take everyone as your brother but i believe my teacher who refers to everyone as "neighbours" but only those related to him by faith as "brothers" Matthew 12:46-50

Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
If so you're my brother from any nation you may come, but if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses then you're my neighbour not my brother!

tctrills:
The Bible teaches in Proverbs 22.6 Train up a CHILD in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.
But we are know kids that have departed from the ways and teaches of heir parents.
What are your thoughts?

The training must be according to the way God set not how the parent feel:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. Deuteronomy 6:4-9

Any CHILD trained under this condition will certainly keep it even when bad association comes along he will be the one to influence them and not the other way around! Isaiah 54:17

when2:
When addressing your earthly father, do yo call him by his name?

According to Exodus 6:2-3

Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah. And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. NWT

David said:

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalms 83:18

Jesus said:

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:6

And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. John 17:26

And Malachi said:

Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:16

The God of Egypt is called by his name "Ra", the God of Greece by his name "Zeus", the God of Rome by his name "Jupiter", so the true God want the whole earth to know His name but Satan keeps fighting hard to stop it. The Jews who killed Jesus were the ones that started this madness but Jesus said God's name must be known and pronounced.

If Jesus taught people in his time that God's name must be made known who are those saying it must not be mentioned?

Well if you must know Satan is the initiator of TRINITY doctrines, he wants people to believe that this theory is for Jesus but TRINITY is totally against Jesus that's why it is called the "AntiChrist" now you and your children don't know the name of the true God, if anyone ask your children about the name of the God of their parents they'll say "JESUS" because that's the name they always hear you call, whereas Jesus himself said:

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3

Does it makes sense to you that your children knows the name of the Son of God but don't have any idea about the name of Jesus' father when Jesus said their salvation is tied to these two persons? Joel 2:32

May you have PEACE!

oteneaaron:
I just had to say this to you bro.
I completely understand where you're coming from. I can feel your enthusiasm as a new JW.
When did you get baptized? I know you feel happy and excited that you have learned the "TRUTH" I know that you're ecstatic that during the war of Amargedon, you and the rest of over 8million JWs will survive while the rest of mankind will die, and birds will from heaven will feed off their flesh. Well, coming from someone who got baptized into the organization since 2004, let me burst your bubble. The organization isn't really what we thought it was. The GB has placed themselves as the direct link to Jehovah - pushing Jesus Christ off the stage. I know it is going to be very hard to accept, and your first thought is going to be - "this guy must be an apostate.."
My sincere advice for you bro, try to do some research about the true history of the organization. Try to retrace your steps back to when Pastor Charles Taze Russell left the Seventh Day Adventist and founded the Watchtower Corporation. To begin your research, read this book written by Raymond Franz a former member of the governing body. The book is called - Crisis of Conscience : The struggle between loyalty to God, and loyalty to one's Religion. I know you love God and really want to please him, but what you think you know about the organization is far different from what is really happening. Disclaimer - I am not claiming to be perfect or saying I have found the perfect religion. I just simply believe that Jesus died for ME. I now believe that I have direct access to God and don't need to be loyal to any Man or any Religion. No Ministerial Servant, Elder, Circuit overseer, District Overseer, Branch Committee Member or any member of the Governing Body - deserves my loyalty and reverence. Only God and Jesus Christ have that unrestricted access to my worship and loyalty. After all, Jesus said - I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No one comes to Father except through Me (not the GB or organization) I come in peace.

First of all i don't know the reason why you quoted me, secondly i'm not your brother but neighbour so can you go straight to the point you're trying to make regarding the topic of discussion?

As for the history of Jehovah's Witnesses organization, i have done lots and lots of research on that and have found out that this is the one and only group practicing pure worship.

May you have PEACE!

Dtruthspeaker:
"...The eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him"

People whose hearts are perfect towards the true God!

So how can someone's be perfect towards the person whose personal name is of no interest to him? Malachi 3:16

Dtruthspeaker:
1) I said "appoint me" not "appoint us".

2) I have a right to contribute on any topic within The Laws I know are in place, even if you do not know them.

Stay in your place!

Well if God didn't appoint you and you came in to contribute to the discussion having to do with the use of God's name.
Then keep in mind the words written by that prophet:

At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name Malachi 3:16

All those contributing to this topic are on constant watch by angels penning down their names, so think well about the laws that gives you the right to challenge the use of God's personal name!

Dtruthspeaker:
Why? Did God appoint me Judge?
Please, do stop asking me this question. I do find it vexatious.

Well if God didn't appoint us as judge then what makes you think you should contribute to a discussion about God's personal name?

My friend, since you choose to contribute to the ongoing discussion you're proving to be part of the jury on this debate because whatever you say here will be counted as part of the contributions to this debate about the use of God's personal name, and it will have certain effect on unsuspecting followers of this particular thread!

So whatever you say about God's personal name being put to use will be recorded by angels as your own judgement on whether people should agree on God's personal name or use any name they feel:


Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:16 KJV

Please note what God's word says! So whatever anyone says here on this particular thread regarding the use of God's personal name will be held accountable for or against them in the day of judgment, so mind what you're typing. Angels are recording each person's name and statement, it's not Maximus that says it but God's word and that is if you believe that the Bible is God's word! 2Timothy 3:16

May you have PEACE!

Dtruthspeaker:
I was not insulting, I was simply describing what I see presented.

So who are the ORGANIZED people practicing what this LIVING God wants today?
Or do you think He has no ORGANIZED people as His WITNESSES today?

Dtruthspeaker:
You have obviously exhausted your portion of reasonability today and lunacy has entered for certainly "Why Is God's Name 'JEHOVAH' Not In Your Bible?" is not rebutted with "Ye (Isreal) are my witness"
Only one mad will think to answer this way.

Please stop this your usual insults because it doesn't speak well of a true believer, if someone responds to your post without insulting you it makes you lesser intelligent when you start insulting such a person for mentioning you. Only immature people behave in that manner, respect begets reciprocal! 1Peter 3:15

The person talking there says "you are my WITNESSES" and i'm really glad you got the sense that He meant a whole lot of people as in ORGANIZED people practicing the form of worship He dictated as His WITNESSES.
Today every reasonable person knows that physical Israel as a nation is no more practicing pure worship since the nation as a whole rejected God's only begotten Son {Matthew 23:37-38} and Apostle John said the Messiah came to the promised people but they rejected him! John 1:11-12
So do you think that true God is still alive and having an ORGANIZED people worshiping Him today?
If so, who are they?

bobestman:
Keep asking yourself questions. I don't have time for all that thrash cos I know where it all will end.
Do you know who Jesus is spiritually?
All you know are the the things programmed into your brain by ndi JW's and the little they taught you from the Bible.
I tells you the truth far deeper that whatever you know. All your Religions are just chasing carrots. Soon all of them will collapse. The truth when it comes will swallow them all including your JW. They are all created by Men. Non of you in Religion and those outside it know what truly happened in that Bible you carry. When the time for the truth to be revealed comes, you will know it and your JW will be know where by then. JW is a Religion. All Religion were created by Men to control them with their yokes (doctrines). They all claim to be the best in their various platoons. You all are decieving yourselves. The Creator and His son created no Religion. Find the narrow way which is the true way by establishing a relationship with your maker. You need not the help of anyone or religion to do that cos they will all fail you.

You want to talk about the Creator but the works of the Creator you don't want to talk about how to keep it in peaceful conditions, my friend you don't know what you're saying because if you don't have LOVE for the created that you're seeing how can you prove that you love the Creator whom you can't even see?

Jehovah's Witnesses talked about the Creator and by the way they treat the created they're proving that they truly love the Maker, but you want to talk about the Creator yet how do you solve the problem leading the created into killing themselves you don't want to talk about it, guy you may be deceiving yourself but you can't deceive right thinking persons.
Accept Jesus' teachings today so that you can see clearly how to LOVE both the Creator and His works (the CREATED)
Jesus said:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these. Mark 12:29-31

Sentiment can't blur the sense of others if you allow it to blur yours, if you don't learn how to LOVE your neighbours that you're seeing there is no way you can love God whom you're not seeing!

If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen
1John 4:20

Ọ̀RẸ́, stop deceiving yourself!

Dtruthspeaker:
I understand the question but my position is that did the Removal or Replacement Detrack (Detract) the Information from the message being passed?
No, it did not!
Therefore, No Loss or Harm was Suffered or Occasioned.

With the highlighted you should know that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said:

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10

"You are my WITNESSES"

Please can you present any group of people actively serving that purpose today?

Well if you can't then it means the God speaking in that place is a failure because the utterance is "You are my WITNESSES" as in a group of people not one in isolation.

Jesus also said:

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be WITNESSES unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Act 1:8

Please if you believe in Jesus can you present a group of people actively serving as WITNESSES of Jesus and his father today?