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Janosky:
Oga, by your comments,you have edited 1st Peter 3:18 in your Bible.
Jesus Christ resurrection have proven your claim is fiction.

Sometimes this funny Churchians thinks once they carry Bible up and down like Pharisees they can brainwash everyone with their fabricated lies forgetting the Bible is now available for everyone to pick up and read!🙂

AntiChristian:
The problem is that it was Paul and Luke who wrote about "Paul meeting Jesus" when he wasn't appointed by Jesus while alive! Paul shouldnt be the one to write his own story of meeting Jesus! And Luke was Paul's person too!

Mr Muslim the Bible account of Jesus is not something that they gathered to agree on what happened that's why there are variations in the gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because each person recorded what he saw and/or heard from the mouths of eyewitness.
So your arguments that Paul and Luke are friends doesn't add up because your Muhammad had no eyewitnesses yet he claimed it was angel Gabriel that brought him all the things he fabricated in your Quran and you people swallowed it hook line and sinker!🙂

lawani:
If you want to call it politics that is your business. The fact is that Christianity and Islam are just new ways to divide humanity. Before Christianity nobody will come to tell you that you are worshipping God the wrong way or that your beliefs will take you to hell and etc. It needs to end. Too many casualties already

It is sad you see the right to misrepresent God as a human right. Would you take it lightly if someone were misrepresenting you or your parents?. We have to agree that God is a gentleman . It is the route to peace and tranquility

The bolded is what God's true worshipers believe and are doing we don't tell anyone that our God will burn anyone whether good or evil rather our God wants humanity to be one and no matter where you come from once you become a worshiper of our God you automatically become a member of our global family of peace loving worshipers.

These i have told you repeatedly but you are always wailing over politics and you don't know it. Whatever makes you call on people to forcefully stop others from doing what brings them joy know today that it will lead to the greatest bloodshed on this planet that nobody not even you or your ifá can quench!🤔

The real cause of killing is deeper than what most people think but those who can help are viewed as nuisance in the society so violence is what they thought can solve violence that's why opportunists are everywhere taking advantage of the situation.

You must be a joke!

Politics is the root cause of terrorism not religion because whatever you believe or preach no matter your so called spirituality remains in your head until you makes the move to impose your opinion (standard) on others that's what politics is all about.

Buddha, Krishna, Ọ̀rúnmìlà, Jesus, Muhammad or whatever school of thought you belong to is in your head but by the time you decides to force it on others claiming your own opinion must stand then it becomes POLITICS and TERRORISM begins from there!🙂

chimex38:
OK.
To and through will always remain a problem.
I bolded it for this reason.
Luke 2:48-49-
(Jesus at the temple @12)
John 2: 3-5(wine to water)
Matt 12:47-49
(mother and brothers)
These verses shows Jesus hard stance on his mission but it's believed he gave in to his mother's requests despite having a contrary opinion St that point in time.
These depics how one can be unworthy to even request sth from God and give up or backslide further(even though he/she shouldn't because God is a merciful God; but this is reality of life.)
Mary could intercede for you and help take your request and forgiving request to the Almighty while you work towards building a closer relationship with God so you are worthy enough to talk to him directly.
It's a win_win to me.
It's a matter of believe.

Moses also intercede for the Israelites! Exodus 32:10-14

So should people also pray through the name of Moses?

Well whatever you choose to do but God said we should listen to Jesus who said it's only through him we should pray!🙂

chimex38:
Praying through Mary not to Mary as I understand it.
Did the apostles pray to Jesus when he was Alive?

The Bible says it only through Jesus name that we must pray to our God {John 14:14} that's why no Christian ask anything in another name than in the name of Jesus {Luke 10:17; Act 3:6} because Jesus is the Amen! Revelations 3:14

So it's wrong praying to the father {Matthew 6:9} in any other name apart from Jesus! John 14:6

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣....na wa....so if we don't read your book, we won't know where the bible teaches that both soul and spirit goes to heaven?

Someone who doesn't know anything has published a book to teach others due to the love of money! Matthew 15:14 😂

blueAgent:
Which of the verses did I fabricate?

Quote the verse where it's written that Jesus is the literal son of God?🙂

The Bible shows that God has many spirit sons (angels) in heaven and they are all called "MORNING STARS" (Job 38:7} Satan and Jesus also are part of the MORNING STARS! Isaiah 14:12 compare to Revelations 22:16

So both Jesus and Satan are also angels in heaven before they came to the earth.

Now provide a single verse that says Jesus is a LITERAL SON OF GOD!🙂

Funny apostate!😂

KingRabota:
God will decide

Are you sure God will decide?

But who decided the below?

KingRabota:
the brainwash

People throughout the world agreed to live by God's standard {Isaiah 2:3} so they used His inspired expressions to teach themselves, reprove themselves, set matters straight among themselves and to discipline themselves in the righteousness of God {2Timothy 3:16} but you DECIDED to call them "BRAINWASHED" for being submissive to those taking the lead in doing God's will! Hebrews 13:7

So now you remember that God should decide who is evil shey?

Ọmọ next time don't quote me again because i will continue to torment you with the truth. Luke 16:24

Mind you i wasn't born by JW parents like you but a former Muslim who loves righteousness so i tolerate no rivalry against God's arrangement! John 2:17

If you know what's good for you never ever quote me again, apostates like you know me very well on this forum and they always avoid me like a plague because i often use the truth to torment them!🙂

God said:

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel." Genesis 3:15

This means it is God one who puts enmity between obedient humans and rebellious humans.

So how are we going to distinguish between God's children and Satan's?

First of all let's borrow a leaf from what happened in heaven that led Satan out of God's organized children (angels)

After God created angels they were so happy therefore they started praising God joyfully {Job 38:7} but one of them felt this doesn't make sense he is not contented with the whole arrangement so he chose to separate himself wishing for more than just being one of these happy and grateful creatures! Isaiah 14:12

So whenever God organizes imperfect and obedient humans for a purpose anyone who is not contented with the arrangement but wishing for a higher level despite seeing how happy God's children are belongs to Satan that's why Jesus directly called Apostate Jews Satan's children because instead of them to be happy seeing the Christ that God promised their ancestors and how happy the common Jews were these people started looking for ways to discredit whatever Jesus does because they felt they are too big for the Christ to merge with common Jews! John 8:44🙂

Even Apostate Jews that Jesus called the children of Satan {John 8:44} also claimed they are God's children nah! John 8:41


So continue deceiving yourself i only opened up the scriptures to show you where you truly belong! Hebrews 4:12

And just as Jesus foretold sons of disobedience like you will not know how to use God's word again by the time Satan takes over your life {Matthew 12:43-45} that's why you will continue to see God's organized children as brainwashed just as Satan saw God's organized children in heaven and claimed he is wiser than all other spirit sons of God! Isaiah 14:12

KingRabota:
Listening abii reading your unending rants makes me really appreciate the True Lord and God that led me away from blind indoctrination , my greatest regret was not seeing through the BS earlier.
But i love your passion and enthusiasm.[ reminds me of the theocratic ministry school when the service overseer would be checking assignments nos 2 3 and 4 for ] hehehheheh
With wrtten review
Choi Choi Chai
And that lovely old song book
heard everything is different now
Men can wear beards and women trousers. Daaaamn. (Elders talk tire because i dont like skin shaven Roman look )
It reminds me of a time of innocence and naivety.
But Its all good
Im in-between projects so i dont have time to give you full attention
But i will like to continue thos discussion a less busy day
Goof morning.

There is no Christian genocide anywhere and it has never occurred in the history of mankind because the founder of Christianity Jesus of Nazareth told his disciples:

When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives. Matthew 10:23

So what did true Christians do when the Jews were persecuting them in Jerusalem?
The Bible says:
Saul, for his part, approved of his murder. On that day great persecution arose against the congregation that was in Jerusalem; all except the apostles were scattered throughout the regions of Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a. Act 8:1

So if some people are fighting and killing themselves over politics and racism let such ones not claim Christians because Jesus COMMANDED his own disciples to leave any city or country where they are not welcomed meanwhile remember that those running away from Jerusalem in the Bible book of Act 8:1 are Israelites who has nowhere to go because that's their home and place of their birth but they OBEYED Jesus' order despite their condition.

So whoever remains in a place waiting to be killed during political disputes should not claim he or she is a follower of that man whose command to his own disciples is to FLEE!

KingRabota:
Always trying to manipulate the narrative. All God's creation are his chidren.

Says who?
Jesus said about humans like you:

You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. John 8:44

Apostles said about humans like you:

Let no man deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. Ephesians 5:6

If you got married and you decided to leave your wife for another and rejected all wise counsel from God's people simply because you want to please yourself in what way are you a child of the God who said:

And you say, ‘For what reason?’ It is because Jehovah has acted as a witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have dealt treacherously, although she is your partner and your wife by covenant. But there was one who did not do it, for he had what remained of the spirit. And what was that one seeking? The offspring of God. So guard yourselves respecting your spirit, and do not deal treacherously with the wife of your youth. Malachi 2:14-15

But this is exactly what you did after sleeping with a child of God whom your parents married for you among God's people. You said this yourself:

KingRabota:
The best 3 decisions i made in life
1. Marrying my 2nd wife
2. Dumping my first wife , when her feathers became too long for her peacock
3. Ditching the JW

You rejected all wise counsel from those who can help you to regain your place in the midst of God's children and yet you came to a public forum trying to accuse the organization that has published a book that everyone is praising.

KingRabota:
Let me hold my opinion about " The Organisation "

To the question
That one of paradise earth where that small boy is playing with lion.
I was like which kain deadly play be dis na . In short i just gree.
Probably the nucleus if reality why i later left the brainwash and moved up.

Your own opinion regarding what God's word says about the future of God's own children in Paradise.

So in what way are you a child of God?🙂

blueAgent:
Read those verses carefully.

There is no such thing in the verses you fabricated it due to indoctrination.

Quote the exact verse where the Bible explicitly says Jesus is the literal son of God!

blueAgent:
Are you denying your argument?
So who is Jesus in JW doctrine?

Matthew 16:16
Jesus is the Christ God's Son!🙂

KiNg0G:
Does a kid of 11 to 12 has his true self yet? If so while is there a term known as guidians, parents. Yes it was my decision then and I was a kid if only they had pushed me more it would have meant a lot for me today.

Your parents are sincere people as they don't really know the purpose of going to church they refuse to force it on you but i'm sure they never did the same with your going to school.

So don't blame them they felt when you grow older you will decide for yourself!

KingRabota:
I laughed
Im remembering a time when i used to regurgitate this same indoctrination
Father Lord open the eyes of your children.

So you believe Jehovah's Witnesses are GOD'S CHILDREN shey?

Case closed!

Perhaps you can now go and worship with any religion of your choice if you're scared of God's children!🙂

When you are ready to learn humbly go to Jehovah's Witnesses and ask who was Jesus before coming to planet earth.

God's word revealed that there are many spirit sons of God in heaven:


while the MORNING STARS sang together and all the ANGELS shouted for joy? ‭Job 38:7 NIV‬

God was answering Job who felt nothing (bad) should happened to him since God is the ruler of the universe and he is one of God's faithful friends so God is telling Job that there are unseen spirit creatures in the heavens who are his sons (angels)

But who else are called MORNING STARS in the Bible?


How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! ‭Isaiah 14:12 NIV‬


At your leisure you can read the whole chapter this verse is talking about Satan so this means Satan was also one of the spirit sons of God (angel) before he was condemned.


“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the BRIGHT MORNING STAR.” ‭Revelation 22:16 NIV‬

So is Jesus one of the MORNING STARS or GOD'S SONS (ANGELS) in heaven?

That's your home work since you talked about different religions but emphasized on the religion you want to answer you "Jehovah's Witnesses" and specifically mentioned my name "MaxInDHouse" to teach you!🙂

Where did the Bible say Jesus is the literal son of God?🙂

blueAgent:
The Word biological is for humans.

God is not Human.

That said Jesus is the literal Son of God.

Because that's what the says.


John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I PROCEEDED FORTH and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 16:28 I CAME FORTH from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of OLD, from EVERLASTING.

blueAgent:
Did Bible call JESUS an Angel?

Did Jehovah's Witnesses call Jesus an angel?

If you have judged matters yourself before listening to others what are you doing around God's people?

Well God has given honest hearted and sincere individuals the key to know His true worshipers so stop saying only God knows what He has revealed to sincere people!🙂

KingRabota:
The best 3 decisions i made in life
1. Marrying my 2nd wife
2. Dumping my first wife , when her feathers became too long for her peacock
3. Ditching the JW

Most of my life issues are from no 3. My family now strated silent persecution to pressure me to " come back to Jehovah' ". Sanity and small resoect only returned when i dumped my nearest and dearest.

So you can keep you prejudiced judgemental fundamentallist ideology in your preaching bags. Im good with my liberation

blueAgent:
How?
Did i write the Bible ?

Did Bible called anyone God's biological son?
If you don't understand something ask not just fabricating lies when you've not asked those involved.
We believe Jesus is God's Son so stop lying deceiving yourself thinking you are criticizing others.

KingRabota:
Only God knows his true worshippers.

Millions living today knows as well because God gave us a key to knowing His true worshipers!

First of all God never called perfect people His worshipers we all know that the Israelites weren't perfect people when God declared them as His people in fact that's what led to the death of so many people in Canaan as they failed to read the signs on the walls.

Back in those days people feel any nation or tribe having the most powerful army are worshipers of the true God but then God went to Egypt with two feeble octogenarians to deliver millions of Israelites claiming they are His people yet inhabitants of Canaan thought it's just a coincidence after all the so called God who led the Israelites out of Egypt failed to lead them directly to Canaan as they wandered in the wilderness for 40 solid years. So most inhabitants of Canaan concluded that it's just a coincidence and they can prevent the Israelites from taking over Canaan.
You know the rest of that story.

Today there is one sign God promised to give sincere and honest hearted people who wish to know His true worshipers.

Are you ready to know the sign or you want to continue in the dark?🤔

oroje1:
Wetin dem do u? They're not perfect but they follow the Bible more than rest, I'm not saying I'm I'm one but this i know so well.so oga check yourself

We know their type very well as pastors have told them many bad things about us but since they choose to believe such lies that's their cup of coffee sincere and honest hearted individuals knows better!
See Freethinkers!

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

See members of other churches:

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

See an atheist:

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

So whoever chose to follow pastors can continue deceiving himself while their pastors are cashing out due to their love for lies!🙂

If you don't understand something just ask WHY?

Whether they used condoms or not you won't be happy is someone is sleeping with your wife or mother.
Why?
Because it'll make you feel uncomfortable.
If your daughter is still in school though 18+ you won't be happy to hear that someone has slept with her for some time only to break up and go for another young woman the same applies to your sister.
That's why sex in marriage is the only one that makes us all feel comfortable as those doing it no matter what they agreed to do behind closed doors is nobody's problem as long as they both agreed as husband and wife!😟

oluwaseyi0:
Take my wife out of the equation, my mum too if my dad is alive every other person can do whatever they want

I'm not going to sleep with my sis myself, and all the girls have been sleeping with have bros too, I'm not the only bro in the world

18 is adulthood, if we ain't ok with that we should ask national assembly to change it ...maybe to 30 or whatever we want, that will also apply to driving, voting, drinking and whatever is specified as for adults only

My paternal grandma even got married at age 16, and that's because that's what their law said then, now our law says 18 and above

Condom and other protection during sex simply means they won't have unplanned kids either married or not

oluwaseyi0:
What we should preach is safe sex,condom, unwanted pregnancy prevention

What if someone (a man) is sleeping with your daughter (+18), sister (18+), wife or mother using condom will you feel comfortable with the whole thing after all they are consenting adults?🤔

blueAgent:
MaxInDHouse's

Continue deceiving yourself!🙂

Thobby02lawbar:
Are you in Lagos? Can you help me in getting one?

Ways to get any of our publications!

*While going out you will see our book stands in your neighborhood.

*Our members may preach within your streets so ask them for a copy of this book.

Or

*Log on to our website jw.org to make a request.

Sucre6:
Big bookstores could have it

Never!
No one is authorized to sell Watchtower publications!🙂

KingRabota:
We are all different people, in mindsets , beliefs, and lifestyles
I will leave you to enjoy yours.

That's exactly why it's somehow difficult questioning the faith of people who believe in God's word!🙂

KingRabota:
Let me hold my opinion about " The Organisation "
To the question
That one of paradise earth where that small boy is playing with lion.
I was like which kain deadly play be dis na . In short i just gree.
Probably the nucleus if reality why i later left the brainwash and moved up

If i had listened to what outsiders were saying about the organization i wouldn't have left my former religion to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses so my advice for you is to think deeply about Jesus' comments regarding his true disciples.

As for the pictures that's what God wanted right from the beginning animals were created as pets for humans there was no predator in Eden until Adam and Eve sinned.
So also when Noah was gathering animals into the Ark all the animals turned into straw eaters.
That's what God intended right from the beginning of creation!

The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, And with the young goat the leopard will lie down, And the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together; And a little boy will lead them. The cow and the bear will feed together, And their young will lie down together. The lion will eat straw like the bull.  The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra, And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake.  They will not cause any harm Or any ruin in all my holy mountain, Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah As the waters cover the sea. Isaiah 11:6-9

Please check the above in any version of your choice if you still believe the Bible!