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Meedon:
Yahweh that they said is a merciful God is the one killing and you are justifying it. No wonder several pastors are rappoingg minors and going scot free.
The hypocrisy in this reply is too loud and clear for all to see. Your Yahweh is powerless that is why he resort to killing. He didn't have any idea how to control people in a better way, but to instill fear and intimidation, and engaging in killing spree. You lots don't reason at all.

Yahweh doesn't kill without reason.

I told you He has a purpose so whoever stands on His way will be cut off that's the truth.

So if you know and support His purpose He will never ever think of killing you in fact it's unthinkable for Him to kill the innocent!

But your Allah is confused as there is no reason why your Allah claimed to be God, the title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so among those worshiping the supposed supreme ruler there should be PEACE but your Allah can't do that!😟

Fenrir:
What gives anyone here the authority to dictate how adults over 21 should live their lives?
What gives anyone the right to interfere in how grown adults choose to marry?
You question my life choices, yet I’ve lived my life on my own terms. When I joined the military, I entered a legal agreement — one I signed willingly, accepting that authority by choice and by my own free will. That same free will you claim your God granted to all people. Yet the majority of Nigerians seem intent on denying that very freedom to others.

I'm not questioning your freewill Sir what i want to know is how your sound and sharp mind got lost due to an order from another human like you!😟

@ Fenrir

I love people with sharp minds so don't see me as an enemy or critic i just want to learn from you if you can educate me on certain things that's not clear to me.

Thanks!

Fenrir:
See, typical hypocrite tactic ignore the words you still have the free will to reject orders and face punishment.

Who has the right to PUNISH you for rejecting an order that's inhumane?🤔

Fenrir:
Orders may come from higher authority,

Who and what constitutes this HIGHER AUTHORITY that is redirecting your sound and sharp mind?

Fenrir:
You dont get to judge.

How does the question judge you?

You said aa a soldier your duty is to save and protect lives but then someone else could order you to destroy lives.

So i want to know what happened to your first sound and sharp mind is someone else could easily change your motive?🤔

Let me enlighten you!

You said i am not one of God's people but the question is what makes a person part of God's people?

READING the Bible is one thing and STUDYING the Bible is another thing through the study of the Bible i have learned that Rahab a woman from Jericho and Ruth a moabite both became part of God's people to the extent that God saw to it that these two women became great grandmothers of Jesus who is God's Son! Matthew 5:5

So tell me are both Rahab and Ruth not part of God's people?

Penguin2:
Jesus Christ specifically told Peter that, “You are Simon Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gate of hell shall never prevail”.

Quote the verse that explicitly states that Jesus was referring to Peter’s answer and not Peter.

Stop trying to turn the Bible on its head just to win an argument.

See below screenshot and tell me if Jesus said he is bullying a church on Peter.

Fenrir:
Human rights, why would I take orders from a god who clearly says im not one of his chosen people? Read your bible better you are not one of his people.

Obviously you don't know why you are taking orders from a human like you because instead of answering a simple question you turned around and started asking questions when i showed interest in what you said.

You said

Fenrir:
the first duty of a soldier is to protect and save lives, and only take a life as a last resort or when ordered to

This shows you've got something interesting to share but then you proved to be empty when asked a simple question!😟

If as a soldier your duty is to protect and save lives then what changed along the line so that you later thought of destroying lives again?😟

That's why i'm interested in that order from a mere human like you who now redirects your sound motive turning it against your own will?

I hope you can see the sense in this so if truly you have sound and sharp mind answer the question now because i didn't tell you i am a Christian rather you are the one who claimed to be a SOLDIER and trying to educate us on your duty as a soldier.

Fenrir:
As a soldier, I don’t care what anyone says — the first duty of a soldier is to protect and save lives, and only take a life as a last resort or when ordered to. Even under orders, you always have the free will to reject them and face the consequences for doing so.

Why do you take orders from a human like you?

Deepspirituals:
So This is Deep , No one can question His Actions and doings . We Humans may Access it according to our Understanding but He does his Things the Way he Likes which May not Agree with our Own Judgement. Peace.

From the day God called the Israelites His people {Exodus 5:1} God made us see the purpose of wars and killings among humans.
How?
The cited verse reads:
After Moses and Aaron talked to the people, they went to Pharaoh and said, “The Lord, the God of Israel, says, ‘Let my people go into the desert so that they can have a festival to honor me.’”
From the highlighted it's clear that God only supports His worshipers not people fighting for properties the backing He is giving the Israelites is due to their readiness to become His special people {Exodus 19:5} so by the time God wants to deal with the Egyptian this is what He told the Israelites:
"You will not have to do anything but stay calm. The Lord will do the fighting for you.” Exodus 14:14
Anytime the Israelites are to go for war God will tell them what they should or shouldn't do this will serve as sign that it's not their weapons or skills that's making them winners in the fight but obedience to God's word.
So from the moment Jesus of Nazareth declared to his disciples saying:

“Believe me, woman! The time is coming when you will not have to be in Jerusalem or on this mountain to worship the Father. You Samaritans worship something you don’t understand. We Jews understand what we worship, since salvation comes from the Jews. But the time is coming when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. In fact, that time is now here. And these are the kind of people the Father wants to be his worshipers. God is spirit. So the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:21-24

True believers realized that there is no reason fighting for properties or lives in any part of the world anymore because the purpose of fighting from God's viewpoint was to protect pure worship and that's what makes Him support one side against another. So Jesus told his disciples:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:43-48

Hatred is not natural rather it stems from dragging possessions and that's what leads to WARS so Jesus told his disciples never to store possessions here on planet earth {Matthew 6:19} why because your cherished possessions will determine what you will do when it's time to obey him but if your minds are fixed on things in heaven (what God's Kingdom will do for you) you won't have any reason to disobey God's WORD claiming you are fighting for your right! Matthew 6:20-21

Today people killing people are fighting due to manipulation by Satan {Revelations 6:3-4} whose will is that nobody survives into God's Kingdom Satan wants everyone dead! John 8:44; Revelations 12:12

So whether you like it or not Satan will give you a thousand and one reason to hate, fight and kill your neighbor {Mark 12:31} and fellow believers in other countries {John 13:34-35} to prove that you don't believe (trust) what Jesus promised you as a Christian! Matthew 10:28

May you have peace!🙂

ayoncox:
If you study carefully, GOD is not a name, it's a title and the primary meaning is Supreme Judge

Excellent!

Ourtruth247:
I actually think Christians are closer to the truth than atheists. Now I am not saying I know the entirety of the truth, I am however confident that I am closer to it than the typical Christian.

Your approach will make it really difficult for you to accept the truth but just as Jesus foretold:

"you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

That statement is addressing honest hearted and sincere individuals not arrogant liars deceiving themselves.

So tell me what is your own personal perception of the true God?

First of all you need to know that this has nothing to do with your parents who raised you as a member of that church and it's not your fault that you believe in your religion so if you want to tackle this matter try as much as possible to be open-minded because neither you nor i knew Jesus or his Apostles we only read about them in the books of the Bible!

Penguin2:
Should I take it to mean therefore that you are saying the Bible is lying in Mathew 16:16 where Jesus told Peter that upon him He will build His church?

Jesus didn't say he will build his church on Peter rather what he said is that his church or congregation will be firmly established on what Peter said which is:

Jesus is the Christ the only begotten Son of God! Matthew 16:16

That's what Jesus meant not that his church or congregation will be built on Peter!😟

Penguin2:
And also, the Acts of the Apostles is also lying for saying that after the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles at the Pentecost, Peter, as leader, came out and addressed the crowd?

Peter is not the leader of that group but he is the eldest member among the Apostles so as Jewish custom whenever a question is asked Pharisees look forward to the eldest among that group to speak up. That's why the Bible always says
Peter and the Apostles said...... Act 2:14, 37; 4:19; 5:29

In all of the above nowhere states that Peter is the head of the group rather he was the eldest so according to Jewish custom he supposed to speak up among the rest who were much younger than him!

Meedon:
Islam, the true and only religion.

Islam is FAKE!
Yahweh dealt with those standing on His way while doing His works but your Allah is helpless when Muslims are killing Muslims!
Yahweh makes it clear that when it comes to fighting and killings it's those standing on His way that should be killed but Allah is confused because Muslims are killing Muslims yet when it's time for worship they will all face the same black stone in Mecca.
That is what Yahweh will never ever accept from His own worshipers, they must not kill anyone who is doing His will!🙂

Meedon:
Yahweh is a conman and he is not powerful! If not all these killings he would have stopped it, but I guess he loves blood and bloodshed so much.

Your own personal judgement on the matter! 🙂
Back in those days the greatest God has the most indomitable force (army) but Yahweh entered Egypt with two feeble octogenarians (Moses and Aaron) and He singlehandedly delivered millions of people including some Egyptians who felt they must become worshipers of this invincible God.

A great number of people who were not Israelites went with them, along with many sheep, cattle, and other livestock. Exodus 12:38


So if Egyptians whose families and livestock perished during the dispute between Yahweh and their King who was also worshiped back then as a God decided to become worshipers of Yahweh ọmọ you've got no point!🙂

Meedon:
Is he not the same Yahweh that hardened the heart of Pharaoh that led to the numerous death of he innocent Egyptians and their animals?

You misconstrued what that place says!

Hardening Pharaoh's heart doesn't mean using remote control on him rather it means not using military tactics on Pharaoh.
In military the best form of defense is to attack but Yahweh is doing everything as if He couldn't just kill Pharaoh who isn't ready to let His people go.
A Yorùbá adage says:

Ìwọ la rí bá wí
Ìwọ la rí bá wí
Nígbà tí o gbaya wọn tóò gbàyá a wọn
Ìwọ la rí bá wí.

Meaning:

You are to blame
You are to blame
You took their wives and left their mothers
You are to blame.

If Yahweh has struck only Pharaoh with an illness while demanding for the release of His worshipers even the Egyptians will condemn their king as not worthy enough to be their ruler because after releasing the Israelites Egyptians will have to do all the works themselves. Moreover the nations where Israelites are going to take possession of their land can't hear the story because Egypt will not allow such bad news to spread as it will expose their weakness.
So for Yahweh to have allowed Pharaoh to continue living as king is like giving him the impetus to refuse Israelites to go!

Meedon:
So you mean all the pope that engaged in crusades are Satan?
Didn't Yahweh the father of all Christians kill and maimed his creatures?

Yahweh claimed He is the Creator and He wants to restore the earth back to what He wanted it to be so when you think of Yahweh always have that at the back of your mind.
Yahweh will never ever tamper with any person or group of persons that has nothing to do with His will!

Meedon:
Christianity has killed many people.

Christianity has never raised a weapon against anyone rather it's the weeds that Satan sowed {Matthew 13:25} that's killing people. Revelations 6:3-4

The word "Christians" came from Christ who commanded his disciples never to fight or kill their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} so those killing people are not real Christians but Satan's children! John 8:44

Supernatural acts are not meant for display nor to earn money so whether Miracle or Magic the real agents knows the powers behind the making that it's not for material gains they can only assist the needy or teach their customers few tricks to make money while the customer faces the repercussion or vengeance of the spirit behind such supernatural acts.

Miracles are from God so there is no way a servant of God can use it for his own personal gain because it's a free gift from God which must be used to help others freely! Matthew 10:8

Magic is also not for personal gain that is why the spiritists (agents of demons) are using it to assist their customers who may face serious repercussion after spending the money gotten through magical practices.

So real practicers of magic will only laugh at this type of challenge, let the guy step on toes then he will know what is really behind supernatural acts!🙂

The Catholic Church emerged after the death of all Jewish disciples of Jesus and it's a political leader that championed the initiation of the Roman Catholic Church.
Jesus used a parable to help people in our time know what will happen when his Jewish disciples are no more.

Jesus said:


Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ” ‭Matthew 13:24-30 NIV‬


Jesus is the sower and his Jewish disciples are the seeds Satan is the enemy who sowed sons of disobedience among Jesus' disciples but as long as his Jewish disciples live these apostates can't form a group they only criticize the Apostles while seeking to establish their own rules. After the death of all the apostles and elders in Jerusalem {Matthew 13:25} the apostates seek the support of a Roman emperor to establish their own religion and forced it on anyone who wants to stick to the teachings of the Apostles.
That is the reason why Romans used the armies to force Catholicism in many places but despite their cruelty many were protesting against the forceful rule of the Catholic as the emperor is giving his own people the needed support after all it's about his own political ambitions.
So the idea that Peter was the first Pope is a political lie that's what politicians do after the death of anyone who is fighting for justice they will claim they are his disciples but in reality they wouldn't have accepted him if he is alive.
The rest of these churches protested continually until they got their freedom to start their own churches after the fall of Roman empire!😟

mutvy:
Christians and lies is like tea and sugar. Christianity is 100% fake.

The religion (Christianity) has just one group of people globally and we practice what Jesus taught us not lies but there are tens of thousands different religions out there claiming Christianity.
If you want to know the difference it's easy all you need to do is find out which of the group is demanding for same line of thought regarding the teachings of Jesus and rejecting whatever people think is good outside Jesus' teachings.
The countless religions claiming they are Christians is the result of different ideas from individuals who think Christianity is all about being a nice person so whenever they come up with anything that seems good to them they initiate it and started claiming it's good for Jesus but the true Christians only stick to what Jesus taught in the Bible.

No one can become a Christian through mere dreams that's a lie!

You must have had little knowledge about the Bible God or struggling to live by conscience, you must be inquisitive too regarding what the Bible God stands for and seeking to do His will by supporting His worshipers who are doing His will.

Once you have this encrypted in your heart our God will lead us to you even if misconception makes you hate us thinking we are demonic our God will never abandon you for desiring to work with His worshipers He will make sure you know the truth before you close your eyes in death.

Truvelisback:
You haven't answered my question.

That is because you have no question at all if truly you have any that thread will educate you a lot but as it is you are just looking for aimless arguments which is of no practical benefits to true believers! 1Timothy 6:4

Joeboypondeck:
Leave them brr
Even during Adam time 😂💔 rapture no capture ham

If they mention anything it's OK but when they relates it to God's word that's the time to ask where they found it!

Thanks!🙂

What is RAPTURE and where is it written in God's word?🤔

These people are liars, they know what is causing the killing but they won't say it.
What are Nigerian Senators claiming Christians saying?
What are members of the house of reps claiming Christians saying?
Do we have people claiming Christians in the Nigerian army, Air Force and Navy?
If so what are they saying/doing about it?
If all these people claiming Christians in different public offices kept mute on this matter then know today that what the media is carrying can't be the real picture but abstract!🤔

When disaster strikes the riches from our brothers is judiciously used to cater for our brothers in Pakistan but then we can't just do that for only JWs there God's word says we should be kind to all though our brothers in Christ comes first! Galatians 6:10
See the riches of anointed Christians in action!

Truvelisback:
Why will I say what Jesus said doesn't make sense? I'm only quoting what you said. You said rich christians won't enter the kingdom of God except they sold all they have and give to the poor. Now, my question is, how many JW members you know have practice that? I'm very sure that their are rich JW members and I have met some. So, how many of these rich JW members have sold all they have and given to the poor? It's a simple and direct question?

Response awaits you on the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/8548895/050-jw-how-first-century

Jesus taught his disciples never to store up treasures on planet earth {Matthew 6:19-21} this means those who are going to rule with Christ in heaven shouldn't be distracted by earthly things since they will leave the earth and everything in it when God's Kingdom comes.
But one thing is peculiar to Jesus' way of preaching he only focused on those that will rule with him as his corulers so whenever Jesus is talking about God's Kingdom his utterances mainly centered on those who are going to heaven since that is his primary assignment.
It's after training his corulers that they will in turn gather their earthly subjects through their preaching and teaching.
So the Bible book of Revelations 14:1 says:

Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

The lamb is Jesus and the 144,000 are his corulers having God's approval as the first fruit of God's Kingdom later comes countless humans that will form a global family on planet earth! Revelations 14:6

So why do Jesus' corulers need to sell everything they own and how are they going to give it to the poor?

The rich young ruler Jesus spoke to was a Jew he knew that when the Christ comes he will teach them how to become perfect for everlasting life {Deuteronomy 18:18 compare to John 4:25} but then he wants Jesus' approval and Jesus was gathering his own corulers first so Jesus told him what he needs to do to become a member of that team:

“There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” Luke 18:23

This man needs to forsake anything that could be a distraction and sacrifice all for the use of other disciples of Christ for instance a prospective coruler with Christ must make sure that all the needs of his fellow believers are met which will cost his own time, energy and resources.

Today true Christians across the globe have abundance spiritual food and all the materials needed for their spiritual growth like Bibles, literatures and those teaching them all they need to do is make the request and they will have it without charge. These are things those going to rule with Christ have sacrificed for the benefit of their brothers and sisters in the faith.

So when the world is talking about the net worth of certain individuals corulers with Christ have only one thing:

Their global spiritual family! Matthew 12:46-50 compared to Mark 10:28-30

DiarisGodoo:
😅This is about the most convoluted thing I've read in a long time!😂 Thanks for giving me a good laugh!
I went ahead and googled who are the non-war churches. See it below

Who is talking about non-war churches?🙂

Do they preach from house to house and door to door about what Jesus commanded?
Do they have one spiritual government that's controlling them?
Do they baptize new converts and make them preachers too?
That's the procedure not just claiming non-war church!🙂

I have opened another thread to answer the question so if you want to learn join and follow up:
https://www.nairaland.com/8548895/050-jw-how-first-century

Truvelisback:
Good night. I knew you would dodge the question like a bullet.

I will only answer if you declare that what Jesus said doesn't make sense to you but if you think it does then answer the question i asked you:

Everyone knows Jesus said what you are claiming Jehovah's Witnesses said so tell me how it's applied in your own church.

But if you humbly request for wisdom i will TEACH you, the idea of stylishly asking Jehovah's Witnesses to interpret what Jesus said won't work with me!

DiarisGodoo:
I am humbly asking you, o wise one.

I'm not doing this for you but for people who may love to know what those terms really means so if you like accept it if you like reject that's your cup of coffee.

Heaven is where the earth rely upon for sustenance as the life on earth depends largely on the atmospheric condition the heavens produces like rain, sunshine and cool breeze. Symbolic heaven in that prophecy means government that subjects rely on for policies to bring good benefits while the earth means the subjects.
The heavens in plural means different system of government that has ruled over mankind that's why it's in plural form but it's the same kind of subjects we have globally as mankind's need is the same that's why earth is singular.
So different system of government that has been ruling over mankind will be destroyed {Daniel 2:44} whenever God use fire as symbol it means such a thing will never ever exist again.
The earth in question are rebellious and disobedient humans claiming they want a better government from their rulers knowing fully well that no human can satisfy humans wants yet they always protest which often leads to bloodshed everywhere.
The New Heavens and Earth God is creating is the government God promised humble and obedient people which comprises of Jesus Christ and his anointed brothers of 144,000 {Revelations 14:1} this people will be taken to heaven as corulers with Christ Jesus and they are the ones we will rely on to bring an end permanently to human rules on planet earth.
Today the New Heavens and Earth has sufficed but only humble people can see this because God created one organization of humans who has a ruling team and obedient subjects from all the nations of the earth just as He promised! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
Throughout the world everyone knows that there is a group called Jehovah's Witnesses whose members are found in all the nations across the globe and they are faithfully and obediently adhering to what their spiritual leaders say. Act 1:8
Today all members of these group has vowed never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 26:52 compare to Isaiah 2:4
With these two symbolic Heavens and Earth what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 24:14 is fulfilled:

And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The witness is so glaring today nobody can deny that God hasn't formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers out of the same humans who are fighting and killing themselves because of rulership. It's the same people living in different countries throughout the earth that God used and He brought out people who are ruling over them and their obedient subjects something the world failed to produce with their countless system of government!🙂