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martinskelly:
Gentlemen, All I can deduce from all of this whole Epistles, narrations, illustrations and teaching is that some christians are self-centered/baised.
We all choose what suits us and ignore the prominent ones.
Humans will always be humans as long as you were born by an earthly parents, Angels will always be Angels of God because God himself created them and wanted them above humans, but calling Jesus Christ an angel as the same as all other Angels God created in heaven is what I don't really understand; Even the Bible explicitly stated otherwise. Please John 3:16 is enough to clear this Angels and Jesus argument you all are throwing up in this thread.
Please kindly preach the word of God to unbelievers and leave the rest to God instead of arguing what is already stated in the Bible.
Lest I forget: INDOCTRINATION is the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

My 2cents.

It's not by force jàre so if anyone said he doesn't understand it's because such a person hasn't studied the Bible with us so we don't impose it on anyone what we believe is if you know otherwise then go out there and make disciples who will also become preachers in their neighborhood at least we all know that any religion that's unable to make such disciples is not doing what Jesus commanded! Matthew 28:19-20🙂

FxMasterz:
You don't need to explain. Just point out a scripture that says so.

But you want to explain when what you said is not written word for word o!

Ọmọ that's why i said:

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't agree it's not by force at least you now know what we believe by that word "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" you and your fellow worshipers can figure it out and apply it as you people feel.
As for us only begotten son among the angels means the only angel God created Himself {Proverbs 8:22} who assisted in the creation of other things! Colossians 1:15-16

🙂

FxMasterz:
How does that make Him the Only Begotten Son?

Self explanatory!

The only angel directly created by God who was assigned to create other things!🙂

Stick to one point at a time.

Creation is what we are talking about now so Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all the creations from God and he was given the privilege to create other things! Colossians 1:15-16 compare to Proverbs 8:22-30

So don't jump the fence just stick to the point of discussion!😂

FxMasterz:
That firstborn of all creation was then explained in Scripture, even in the same book and chapter so that people like you would not butcher God's Word to give it your own interpretation.

Colossians 1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent."

Revelation 1:5: ...and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

These verses highlight Jesus' resurrection as the firstfruits of those who will be raised from the dead, demonstrating His power over death and sin.

FxMasterz:
Lies!
You were the one who created your own Colossians 1:15-17 to say what you said.
I have attached the Greek Interlinear so you can see what those verses say exactly. Jesus being Firstborn is clearly indicated as Him being the first to rise from the dead and enter heaven in a transformed body. We all will enter heaven this way to be in God's Presence for ever and ever but Jesus was the first ever Human to do so. Hennce, He is the Firstborn unto God. Now, tell me how Firstborn = Only Begotten. Even if He's Firstborn just because He was created first, others are also begotten as long as they were also created. But He's the Only Begotten. Only Begotten. No one else is Begotten.

First born of all creation is what we are talking about Sir! Colossians 1:15😂

FxMasterz:
So, you even changed to word 'begotten' to created. So, when you begat your children, you actually created them. And, your firstborn is actually the child you created yourself while your other children were created by other men. Isn't it?

Read your Bible!

That's what Colossians 1:15-17 says!😂

Image123:
Lolz, sinners like the pharisees, saducees, robbers and Herod, right?

Who is acting like a Pharisee here now?

I that i'm talking about how to identify the group producing the fruit of true faith in Christ or you who is calling fellow humans "sinners" when you yourself are not perfect?

Jesus said:

The Son of man has come eating and drinking, but you say: ‘Look! A man who is a glutton and is given to drinking wine, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ All the same, wisdom is proved righteous by all its children.” Luke 7:34-35

So who are doing what Jesus commanded back then?
Of course it's those whom Pharisees like you tagged "SINNERS" yet these sinners are unitedly doing God's will because they accepted they are sinners so they humbly subjected themselves to doing what Jesus taught them!🙂

Image123:
Errmmm, what exactly are sinners preaching to fellow sinners without bags and magazines for sale?

Ask Jesus who sent sinners out to preach to save sinners!😂

If you don't agree it's not by force at least you know what we believe by that word "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" you and your fellow worshipers can figure it out and apply it as you people feel.
As for us only begotten son among the angels means the only angel God created Himself {Proverbs 8:22} who assisted in the creation of other things! Colossians 1:15-16

FxMasterz:
Thank you for referring to what God's Word said and what it didn't say.

Please show me where God's Word says Jesus is only begotten because He is Firstborn. Or, show me where God's Word referred to any other begotten son aside from Jesus.

As for me being a star:

Daniel 12:3: "Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever."

We're not talking about me actually. We're talking about Jesus. So, please stay focused.

Image123:
What do you think the fruit is? They go around with bags selling Asleep and living in sin?

Whatever you feel like saying but one thing is sure first century disciples of Christ aren't perfect when they unitedly produced the fruit expected of Christianity so you can continue lying to yourself thinking it's about perfect people!🙂

neonly:
My brother easier said than done
I have not been to church for more than 5yrs now yes 5yrs and honestly I find peace within my self just that my children seems to copy me by not wanting to go
A particular church offended me and even facilitate my family brakeup
Ever since then I have decided never to carry church matters for head or even devoted to any church
But OP write up just hit me like a bomb
I pray God direct me sha

There is a FRUIT expected of Christianity so any church producing it is the only true church of Christ!

blueAgent:
They are divine been associated with God. But they are not Diety like God or Jesus

Go back to your dictionary!😂

FxMasterz:
I am a son of God too, and I am also a star. Okay?

As you wish but God's word called angels only by that name "MORNING STARS" there is nowhere God's word called any worshiper of God a star!

paxonel:
People are talking about something important and you are bringing Jehovah witnesses. Who cares about them?

Yet you can't find where it is today while it's written boldly in the Bible.
Well that's how people always look down on true worshipers yet they will be wailing over how to go about sacred service whereas true worshipers will be fulfilling the prophecies adequately! Matthew 5:11-12🙂

Kalatium:
Many people are still trapped in this old religious myth of earlier centuries, that the devil is a horned creature living somewhere underground, waiting to tempt people into sin. That’s the biggest lie ever sold.

Let’s be honest, the devil is not a being, it’s a behavior.

Lucifer wasn’t created evil. He was an archangel, full of light and power. What changed him? A thought. Pride. Rebellion. Self-exaltation. The moment he activated that negative idea against divine order, he became the first devil.

And after him? Uncountable devils have been born — men, women, spirits, systems.

Yes, you read that right. There are devils walking around every day — not with horns, but with influence, authority, and charisma.

Every time a man uses power to oppress, that’s a devil.
Every time a woman deceives and manipulates for gain, that’s a devil.
Every time a leader lies to his people, that’s a devil.
Every time we know the truth but choose to do wrong — we become devils ourselves.

The biggest problem is that religion keeps giving people an escape route.
You hear it all the time: “It was the devil.”
No, it wasn’t. You made a choice. You became the devil the moment you activated a negative idea in your heart.

Lucifer was the first, not the only. The real “devil” is the human mind when it rebels against conscience.

So stop looking for some horned creature in hell. Hell is already here — in greed, envy, deceit, and ego.
Stop saying “the devil made me do it.” The devil didn’t make you do anything — you became him when you ignored your better self.

Organized Religion won’t tell you this because it thrives on fear. The idea of a single devil helps maintain control. But the truth is deeper: the battle has not always been between God and some dark being — it’s between your higher nature and your lower one.

So before you blame “the devil,” take a hard look in the mirror. You might just find him staring back.

Please where do you found those words in the highlighted?

paxonel:
Because they are all scammers!
There is nothing like anointing.
All these pastors are huzzlers all of them

There is anointing and it does happen in the midst of true Christians but most of you have turned against everything the Bible teaches because false prophets hurt you people.

Anointing is a sacred selection of Christ's corulers it was never done publicly even members of the church can't know those who are anointed because it's not done publicly!

AntiChristian:
What's the difference between hell and the lake of fire?
Gehenna and Hades?

Hell means Grave and Gehenna means death without a hope of resurrection! Revelations 20:14

So when the Bible says Death and Grave were thrown into the lake of fire it simply means there will be nothing like death and of course no reason to dig graves. God promised to swallow death {Isaiah 25:8} surely when you swallow something it simply means that thing will no longer be found!

All false religions and prophets followed the misconception thinking God will not allow sinners to die but keep them alive somewhere to be roasted!😂

The right thing to do if you found out the religion you associate with is fake is to leave but you must find the true religion.

Jesus said by their fruits you will know {Matthew 7:16} this means there are fake churches as well as the only true church therefore whoever leaves a church but couldn't find any better one is indirectly saying there is no God.

So what is the fruit of the only true church?

And Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. Revelations 20:14 ERV


Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. ‭Revelation 20:14 NIV‬

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14 KJV

And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. Revelations 20:14 NWT

What is the difference between Hell and Lake of fire?🙂

FxMasterz:
Can you show me any dictionary in which Only Begotten Son means first born? Can you show me where it is recorded in Scriptures that the Bright and Morning Star means first born?

Son shows this person is one of the children and morning star means Son of God so if only begotten or bright is the remaining issue no wahala.

You can start you long epistle on that but at least we have we basic knowledge of son and morning star in the Bible! Job 38:7😂

Instead of humbly learning from Jehovah's Witnesses they will be looking for ways to accuse real Bible scholars.

Is Jesus an angel?
The answer is YES!
Angels are sons of God but there must be one who is the first born of all the sons of God created directly by God and assisting in the creation of other things that doesn't mean he is not one of God's children: angels!🙂

FxMasterz:
Revelations 22:16 says Jesus is The Bright and Morning Star. The Only Bright and Morning Star.
Can you please tell me any other being called Bright and Morning Star in the Bible?

FxMasterz:
Would you please answer my question?
There are many sons of God but none is begotten. God has Only one Begotten Son. Can you show me any other Begotten Son of God in the Bible?

Simply means firstborn and two children can't be first born it can only be one!🙂

blueAgent:
So because Angels live in Heaven they are all have godhead?
Your logic is epic.

The word DOGHEAD doesn't appear in my own Bible so try another thing!🙂

blueAgent:
Divinity means,
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
divine1
/dɪˈvʌɪn/
adjective
1.
of or like God or a god.
"heroes with divine powers"
Similar:
godly
godlike
angelic
seraphic
saintly
beatific
spiritual
heavenly
celestial
holy
empyrean
deiform
deific
Opposite:
mortal
2.
informal
very pleasing; delightful.
"he had the most divine smile"

So angels are divine jàre.

Find something else to say!

FxMasterz:
Jesus is not a morning Star.

Revelations 22:16

FxMasterz:
Half truth! They are all sons of God but none of them are Begotten. Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God. Can you tell me any other begotten son of God?
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14.
For God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
Quick Request from you: Tell me who among all the others you listed is a begotten Son apart from Jesus. I myself have many sons but among them are those begotten by me. They're not equal in relationship to me.

Pick things one at a time.

Are they sons of God?🙂

blueAgent:
No single bible verse states that Angels are divine or have the fullness of godhead in them.

Are they spirit beings?
Do dey live in heaven?
Do they grow old or die?

That's what divinity entails.

Check your dictionary!🙂

Each demon with a system of worship!

Iagos:
Terrorists are not killed in Nigeria. They are forgiven and de-radicalised. That's the word used

They are all deceiving themselves!

Terrorism doesn't stem from religion but politics so there is no politician that can adequately fight against terrorism all he needs to do is settle with opposition otherwise if you kill a thousand terrorists ten thousand will emerge through opposition.

A prophet is someone who delivers the message from a God so if Muhammad is delivering the message of a God surely he is a prophet.

But the question is:

Is Muhammad a prophet of the same God who chose only Israelites as his chosen people?

Any prophet who doesn't attach himself to the Israelites as one sent by the same God for the purpose for which this God sent ancient Israelites to do his will can't be counted among the prophets of that same God.

So in as much as muhammad claims to be a messenger of a God it's evident that he wasn't sent by the same God of ancient Israel!

Please i want to believe that there are real Muslims as well as counterfeit ones so can you tell me what Allah has been able to achieve in the midst of faithful Muslims?

Thank you!

Meedon:
So you are Jesus slave

You keep dodging the most important question:

What has your Allah achieved in the midst of it's worshipers?

Another term that often confuse Muslims!😂

Listen to useful information that you may not cherish which is valuable to people who wants to know why they must obey someone as leader.

Go and find out the meaning of that word since you trust the dictionary.

Slave means someone who has been bought by his master to do whatever his master ask him to do.

So unlike Muhammad who has nothing to pay in order to redeem sinful humans Jesus paid with his perfect human blood therefore all his loyal disciples are his slaves including MaxInDHouse!🙂