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Tilewizy:
Do not mislead people, yes, you aren't Christains.

You are a pastor's follower!

How do we know?

You will quote what your pastors told you and based on that disqualify others.

Note your reasons for saying Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians:

They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith.
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

This are the personal doctrines of your church pastor so any church that may differ in doctrine to what you said here aren't Christians from your judgement that means before you can say a church is Bible believing all these must be their doctrine.
Definitely it's not only one church you will condemn over this issue rather as many churches as possible that's not in tune with these dogmatic opinion are not Christians.
That is why i keep insisting on what the founder of Christianity said but you are ruling out his words claiming it's not necessary.
Jesus said the only way to recognize his church is they will be in all the nations of the earth {Act 1:8} and despite their cultural and racial differences love will bind them together just as he loves his disciples. John 13:34-35
Jesus also said by their fruits you will know them {Matthew 7:16-18} which means the fruit of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} permeating the gathering of imperfect humans.
Both identifying marks you have ruled out because of what your pastor taught you.
So there is no need arguing aimlessly with you again sincere and honest hearted observers knows the church where real Christians assemble:

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

Farewell!🙂

So which church is exhibiting the quality Jesus mentioned at John 13:34-35?

Or we should trash that part of the Bible?😀

Tilewizy:
See twisting of God's word promax! 😆
How can I be saying all these things to you with bible references and yet not talk the fruits of the spirit which proceeds easily with proves in the life of a believer. Jesus christ is the true vine and we are branches of the vine.
The church is like a hospital, many are sick and are there for healing.
We may not look perfect from outside, but there are many within that have a right standing with God.

Tilewizy:
I never said I'm a scholar,

Not a scholar but a judge!😂

Tilewizy:
I never boast in my abilities in standing right before God.

But when asked if a group with fine qualities worth emulating are Christians you quickly jumped in and said:
"They are not Christians"

And your yardstick?
TRINITY that is not even written in your own KJV!😀

Tilewizy:
As you see me finish, you end your discussion by saying the bible we all Christian read is corrupted.

Now you are confirming what i said that it's whatever your pastors say you swallow.
Who told you the KJV is the only Bible version believers can use?

What about
1. JERUSALEM BIBLE
2. RSV
3. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
4. NIV
5. ESR
6. NASB
7. NWT

Guy you are not a Bible scholar rather a churchgoer so calm down and learn!🙂

Tilewizy:
Like I said earlier, having a face of "fine fruits" doesn't mean anything in the sight of God. Some other religions also stresses the need of being good. Before God, your righteousness is like filthy rag to Him. It's by grace we are saved, not by works.

Now you're complicating issues for yourself!😂

Our SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS which anyone can claim he has {Isaiah 64:6} and say he or she doesn't need to learn anything from Christ is what the Bible say is like filthy rags before God not the New Personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} which a believer puts on to bear the fine fruit of God's holy spirit o!😀

Tilewizy:
With all the pictures you put on, what message have you conveyed? Is it not same scripture with same meaning.
The true witnesses is carried out the Holyspirit being in unison with man's spirit, hence we don't need any further research outside the bible.

The Bible you are reading is CORRUPTED that is what Bible scholars are telling you.

This is what is found in the Bible book of 1John 5:7

For there are three witness bearers: NWT

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For there are three that testify: NIV‬

Only the KJV version was corrupted with that fabrication.

Check the Jerusalem Bible or American Standard Version or Revised Standard version!😀

Tilewizy:
I laugh at your level of ignorance to think God is a man to be impressed by your so-called display of fine fruits.

So all the people you've met and admitted are WORTH EMULATING just made it up shey?

But how come they are able to put on the new personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's of God's holy spirit if they are not walking with the spirit of God? Galatians 5:22-23🙂

Tilewizy:
You see why I said you are not Christians!

you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. 1Thessalonians 5:21

Go and make your own personal research instead of arguing blindly!😀

Tilewizy:
You keep mentioning pastors. Everyone who he calls he gives them gifts for the sake of his kingdom.
Its an English word for 3 in 1.

1st John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Guy the highlighted was a fabrication from the same people who tried to merge pagan traditions with the Bible. That verse is not in all translations.

Do the research today!🙂

Tilewizy:
Not because my pastor told me so, because they don't carry the spiritual meaning of living a Christian life. In other words, the word of God they teach themselves have just literal meaning, they remove the faith part and reduce the person of the Holyspirit. This and more they do makes every true Believer knows that they aren't Christians.

All these are words of mouth the holy spirit is the only reason why a group studying the Bible could WORTH EMULATING just as you yourself said.

Note that Jesus didn't say "by their beliefs" but "by their fruits" {Matthew 7:16-18} which means you may be carrying false religious beliefs up and down thinking it's the right thing but when you observe the fine fruit of God's holy spirit in any group {Galatians 5:22-23} yet claiming they don't belong to Christ simply because their beliefs doesn't align with what you were taught in your own religion then something is wrong!🙂

Tilewizy:
You never even rose good critics about the points or claims, in other words making my assertions correct.

You mentioned "TRINITY" and i asked you to quote TRINITY in the Bible since it's one of the reasons you said JWs are not Christians.
If you say someone is not a Christian for not believing something at least you should be able to first quote that thing in the Bible before laying any claim nah!😂

Ọmọ this is where your pastors got the idea of TRINITY below you can check any search engine for origin of TRINITY!😀

When their preferred pulpit men talks they swallow it hook line and sinker and off they go with the words of their pastors but when it's time to defend what their pastors infused in their heads they will start looking for escape root.

Just imagine someone who confidently said a group he knew very well with fine qualities worth emulating are not Christians whereas they are the people going from house to house preaching just as Jesus commanded. Matthew 10:11-13

They are the most peaceful and organized people on planet earth! Matthew 10:16

They are the only group that keeps love strong among them to the most distant part of the earth! John 13:34-35

Tilewizy:
I have read your submissions.
I can say for a truth, the Jehovas witness I have come across live very calm and peaceful lives in most cases worthy of emulation.

Matthew 5:16

But to our friend:

Tilewizy:
They are not Christians because;

WHY?
Because his pastor told him so!🤣

Tilewizy:
You keep on bringing up the gospel of John 13.

Ok, i'm sorry sir i thought Jesus is the one speaking about how to IDENTIFY his disciples in the verse o.

So it's just John writing whatever he like shey?

Now it's clear!🤣

Just delete John 13:34-35 and whatever you say is OK!😀

FxMasterz:
Are you God to determine who is worshipping Him? This shows how deeply ignorant you are!

Meanwhile you mentioned TRINITY as one of your reasons why you think JWs not Christians.
Can you please quote the word TRINITY in any version of the Bible you know?

If you can't i know the ORIGIN of TRINITY O and it's pagan traditions in ancient times!

Tilewizy:
You think you had scriptural battle with me, you who does not know what you are quoting. Even the devil knows the scripture, rather twist it and mis-interpret it and deliberately removes it potencity.

This is not a scriptural battle but what i call "CLARIFICATION"

Jesus said to his disciples:

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves. John 13:34-35

Please twist it anyhow you wish the only thing i need from you now is the group where people can see that love binds them together despite the fact that they are from different nations.

I have TWISTED it by saying the only religion i know having this quality is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

But i will like to know how you will twist yours or better still correct me by presenting your own church where members are from different countries yet love binds you people together just as Jesus commanded his disciples!🙂

Tilewizy:
I have prayed and with faith we have communed with God and that's the end of the discussion.

Next time don't just give a verdict if you are not ready for a thorough scriptural debate.

You wrote this:

Tilewizy:
They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

But when asked the IDENTIFYING MARK Jesus said everyone needs to look out among his disciples you can't mention any religion out of all the ones you call "Bible believing churches"

Well my brother doesn't want to waste his time but i know others following the thread may like to know why the OP singled out Jehovah's Witnesses of all the religions known as Christians when he knew very well just as you to have admitted that Jehovah's Witnesses are WORTH EMULATING! Matthew 5:14-16

What exactly made members of this group to have such fine qualities?

Of course it's the same teachings you want to disqualify when you are placing TRINITY something that came from pagan traditions above fine fruit Jesus said we should look out for! Matthew 7:16-18

May you have peace!

Jesus said about his group:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens." Matthew 5:14-16

God said through Isaiah the prophet:

“Look! My servants will eat, but you will go hungry. Look! My servants will drink, but you will go thirsty. Look! My servants will rejoice, but you will suffer shame. Look! My servants will shout joyfully because of the good condition of the heart, But you will cry out because of the pain of heart And you will wail because of a broken spirit.  You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name" Isaiah 65:15

In the highlighted thousands of false religions claims they are disciples of Christ (CHRISTIANS) this has led to a lot of confusion globally as these religions commits atrocities all in the name of Christians in fact most traditionalists are calling their people now to trash the Bible due to all the atrocities committed in that name but the true God separated His own worshipers and gave us another group name:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

That is why we are totally different in all things of course our beliefs differs from all others and you can all see the quality whether you admit it or not! Matthew 5:14-16🙂

IbileIfe:
Coming to Christian religion.
How can anyone explain how Prophet Isaiah who was a real historical person, widely believed by scholars to be a prophet who lived and ministered in Jerusalem during the 8th century BCE (approximately 742 BCE) accurately prophesied the birth, place birth and death of JESUS Christ over 400 years before JESUS was born?

There are many Gods Spirits but only One has proved to be the true God.

How?

According to the name He gave Himself which in Hebrew is "YHWH" meaning "He causes to become" this God claimed that all other spirits people are worshiping throughout planet earth are lesser beings that He created so when He is talking about what He wants to do in the future all other Gods will remain silent!

That is why this God used his human agents (prophets) to pen down what He promised to do which nothing as in NOBODY can stop Him! Isaiah 55:10-11

May you have peace!

No wahala i asked you one question in the write up.

Jesus commanded his disciples to have love among themselves so that the world may see that they are his true disciples. John 13:34-35

Can you mention one of your so called Bible believing church where everyone can see that truly there is love among them as they come from different nations.

I can only see one group and that is no other than Jehovah's Witnesses.

Tilewizy:
Hmm.. I don't know where to start from.
God have mercy on us all. Like I said I only responded for genuine hearts who are seeking answers.
I read through your long write up and checked the references and I began to feel dizzy. I think majorly because there was no corelation between what you wrote and the bible references you used.

chimex38:
If Emusan can be blocked for asking you to share your thoughts, I don't see why I shouldn't.

Truthseeker is using the method Jesus taught us to use when dealing with any individual who feels he knows better than us the method is asking thought provoking or leading questions. Luke 20:1-8
I don't ask questions because i want to teach those following the thread that's why most critics of JWs hate me since my response is not just for them but for everyone following the thread.

The word FORM simply means IMAGE so spirit beings like angels are all in the form of God that's why they are called God's Sons {Job 38:7} Adam also was in God's form too {Genesis 1:26 compare to Luke 3:38} but unlike Satan and Adam who wants to be equal with God {Genesis 3:4-5 compare to Isaiah 14:12-14} Jesus the first creature in God's image never thought of becoming God as he always subjects himself to whatever is God's will {John 5:30} even when it's really hard for Jesus to do it he will always submit to God's will! Luke 12:42

That's the import of the verse both of them are debating on Truthseeker is of the opinion that Jesus is not God but a creature in God's FORM (IMAGE) while most religionists claiming Christians are of the opinion that Jesus is God Truthseeker wants anyone quoting that verse to make it make sense how Jesus who is God's FORM (IMAGE) is God Himself.

Form means in the likeness of another thing so if the scriptures used FORM for Jesus definitely he can't be the same person in his own form (image) nah!😟

potland:
which Religion is correct

Only Christianity!

But there is a secret most people don't know:

Christianity is like two perfect prophets one supporting the other in their works they are the two folds of sheep under one shepherd {John 10:16} both were slaughtered in the first to second century {Revelation 11:7} and replaced with falsehood which is now widespread claiming Christians today.

The real disciples of Christ don't meddle with worldly politics nor participate in wars!

AntiChristian:
So Jesus stopped existing after death?

I'm surprised you're asking this question but it's OK since false religions claiming Christians have spread so much lies.

According to God's word there is no activity in the grave where people are buried so for three consecutive days Jesus stopped existing until God raised him back to life! Act 3:15; 5:30; Romans 10:9

Tilewizy:
I came across this post on Facebook from Emmanuel TV.

Satan is using human philosophy to keep billions in the dark.
Let me enlighten you with undeniable evidence that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only Christian Organization!

There is no reason for establishment of any religion in the beginning because all what Adam, Eve and their children need to do is never to touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil {Genesis 2:17} if they keep to this single rule life everlasting is sure for them but it was after the fall of Adam and Eve that they started bearing children that is why we need a religion that will guide faithful, loyal and humble people back to God.

So what is the purpose of Christianity?

Christianity was established to gather all faithful, loyal and humble people in all the nations under one religion. Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1; Zephaniah 3:9

WHY? Because after confusing the tongue of mankind God knew Satan will use it as a tool to wipe out humans from the surface of the earth so that by the time God wants to destroy Satan mankind in general will be busy building destructive weapons to kill one another! Revelation 6:3-4

That is why Jesus need to establish one religion in order to gather faithful, loyal and humble people during the time when Satan is working round the clock to exterminate mankind in general. Revelation 12:12

So Jesus commissioned with this single aim that is why we must preach and teach what he taught us to whoever is willing to listen {Matthew 10:11-13} but Satan is also doing his own work he is promoting pride in the mind of billions through false religions, racism, class, affluence and politics so that whoever is engulfed in any of these things can't join Jesus' religion! Luke 18:18-23

Today only JWs achieved what Jesus foretold regarding the sign that will help honest hearted individuals to know his group.

How?

Jesus commanded his disciples to love their neighbors as themselves {Mark 12:31} how are they going to do this? Jesus did not just say it but taught them how to go about it which is going to pay uninvited visits to their neighbors at home to discuss about God's plan for salvation {Matthew 10:11-13} Jesus added that whoever refuses to listen will find it really difficult on the day of judgement {Matthew 10:14-15} this is so because while Jesus' disciples are going to meet people at home and discussing on how God wants to save faithful people the angels are writing down the names of both the disciples and those welcoming them for the discussion {Malachi 3:16} so when the angels come down to strike the evil people those whose names are written will be spared. Revelation 20:15

But why are they spared?
Is it just because they listened to Jesus' disciples?

NO! They will be spared because by the time Satan has promoted hatred in the minds of billions through different tactics only those studying the Bible with Jesus' disciples will see everyone around them as either neighbors they must love as themselves {Mark 12:31} or fellow believers they must love just as Jesus loves them! John 13:34-35

Now a question for you!

If the ruler of your country orders the army in your country to go and destroy the people of another country due to disagreement between rulers will you still love the people in that country as your neighbors and those claiming Christians their as your brothers in Christ?

That is what Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved globally today as none of us is into politics or military service therefore when you hear of wars around the world know that no single JW is out there killing his neighbors because we have beat our swords into farming tools {Isaiah 2:4} just as the Prince of Peace COUNSELED us! Isaiah 9:6🙂

Tilewizy:
• We would all stand before God in judgement individually as the bible says, not as a church or units

Tilewizy:
I have read your submissions.
I can say for a truth, the Jehovas witness I have come across live very calm and peaceful lives in most cases worthy of emulation.

This is all i need from you {Matthew 5:14-16} there's no need for arguments.

Thanks for your time!🙂

It's OK!🙂

Lukuluku69:
Have you forgotten so soon how you begged that I should never mention your moniker again?
Is the Dementia onset coming early?
Please respect your words....

IbileIfe:
You are not an atheist if you believe in Orisa like Ogun and Sango or any spiritual core.

He can't be an atheist if he claims he believes in any religion!

Lukuluku69:
I thought we had an agreement not to cross each others path?

If you don't want to answer the question it's OK but know that there is no justice in punishing a nice person for an offense he is not aware of.
So God will not judge people like Wole Soyinka for what he doesn't know that is why true believers need to intensify in our effort to help right hearted individuals.
Until he gets the sense and deliberately turn against the truth from that moment his judgement begins but until he grasp the message of truth he remains innocent.

Thanks!

The problem is not with individuals but the organization they belong.
True Christianity is not about singling oneself out thinking we can be Christ like in the gathering of unbelievers just because they are claiming Christians.
True Christianity will teach and organize us on how to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples globally.

That is where all other religions failed!

You can't be preaching and teaching God's word in your neighborhood and at the same time have questionable character in the same neighborhood.

That is why it's so easy to identify any among us that's not flowing with the assignment Jesus gave us!

Tilewizy:
I have read your submissions.
I can say for a truth, the Jehovas witness I have come across live very calm and peaceful lives in most cases worthy of emulation. The nominal so called christains you meet these days are void of a lot of good attributes, as the leaders in most churches are nonchalant in saying the truth repeatedly and focusing on other subject topics that rather reduces the good image of the christain faith.
Also, this is because its a religion of freedom, hence, there are little or no penalty in breaking the rules, apart from a few places amongst those who occupy leadership position, which may just include stripping them of their offices and all. If you sin, its you and firstly your conscience from the Holy Spirit, that keeps pricking your heart to seek repentance from God. If the sinful habit continues, the Holyspirit becomes quiet and leaves. Then, if the individual dies in sin, he/she is judged by God. Then, let me emphasise 2nd Timothy 2:19 - Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

StillDtruth:
Cos I can respond to you without inviting you to my church or house or office

It's better you don't engage me if you're not polite in your manner of approach!

Tilewizy:
My dear brother, don't bother yourself. You glory in men's ovation, but a true christain or believer seeks only God's approval.

Jesus said we will know his disciples by their FRUIT just as false religions will also be known by their fruits {Matthew 7:16-18} i wasn't born a JW but i can tell you and prove that only JWs meet up with the qualities Jesus promised! John 13:34-35

Can you mention the name of your church?

NO!

WHY?

Because you don't know what qualities Jesus promised and how to pinpoint it among worshipers in your church!