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I know many Awo and none of them are into consultancy for ifá because they are wealthy as in 100 times richer than me some are business men, doctors, lawyers and many more but one thing i do tell them is that there is more to life than wealth.

Now back to you my friend.

Only lazy people goes into learning how to become alfa, pastor or babalawo to practice consultancy hard working individuals learn a trade or handiwork to feed their families!🙂

lawani:
I have been banned two times
My problem with you is even a well brought up ten year old knows broke shaming people is immoral but you are not different from the religionists that lynched Deborah in Sokoto. Then how did you know I am poor?

You are also wrong to advise me not to base on IFA to earn a living as it is a honest livelihood source for many Awo. Advise people not to steal. You can not spend ten years to learn something and then be told not to be rich from it. You can't however become a billionaire as a fellow Awo can only be a partner and not a servant of another Awo. A Babalawo work only under God after qualifying as explained in Otura Osa.

Then nobody is an Oluwo or Araba that does not consult for people. You are fond of making baseless claims on this forum

Then take me up maturedly and without insults on anything I say about your God Jesus

I hope this response too won't be deleted as the first two were deleted.

It's OK if that's how you feel!

Sanoske360:
All this your Bible quotes makes no sense to me. The same ecclesiasties you talk about says so. I believe you are not a logical person if you are, you won't quote ecclesiasties.

Read the book of ecclesiastics very well you will understand what I mean by the Dead are better than the living.

Ecclesiasties chapter 4 vs 2 to 3 , l envy those who are dead and gone, they are better off than those who are still alive.

But better of than either are those who have never been born, who have never seen the injustice that goes in this world.

My friend if you are a logical person with high intelligence you would understand. But I doubt you are .

Well if you've been banned due to your anger know that i never intend to hurt your feelings what i hate is when you come talking about Jesus that you know nothing about. With the little you have heard from me you should know by now that i'm not a novice in spirituality but let's leave that for another day.
Get something worthwhile to do ifá will never ever enrich you through being a consultant.
May you have peace!🙂

Now you are deviating from the main issue!
All these titles you mentioned could be reached if you choose to become one of the worshipers not a consultant.
Know that they are wealthy and not poor like you so they don't practice ifá for making their income rather they seek refuge under ifá for protection and that is why they continue to grow to the highest rank but not practicing ifá for daily bread!🙂

lawani:
So in essence you are saying an Eurooean or an Hausa man can not become an Awo? Go online and you will see non Yorubas who hold the senior ranks of Oluwo and Araba. You start as an Awo then later become Ojugbona and depending on your expertise and number of people you bring up yiu become Oluwo and then Araba. Oluwo is like PhD while an Araba is a Prof. An Ojugbona is like a graduate assistant. No matter the lineage you come from you can not become Araba without paying your dues

paxonel:
The church was meant to convey messages from God to the people, but instead, they are preventing the people from reaching God, at the other hand exploiting the people to enrich themselves.
Is that not so?

There are tens of thousands of different religions claiming Churches so if you don't want to know the true church there is no way you can be helped!🙂

lawani:
While there are lineages, anybody is free to learn IFA just like you are free to study medicine or architecture etc. You are free to learn carpentry. Nobody is barred from being an Awo because they are not from the right lineage. Anybody can learn and start their own lineage.

The highlighted could be true if the one learning wish to become a worshiper of ifá on his or her own but to become a medium for ifá ọmọ that's a LIE!🙂

Deo1986:
Do you just argue for argument sake?
You always bend scriptural matters towards Jehovah's witnesses perspective.

Have you checked other translations of the Bible?
If that is what Jesus said truthfully how many people are performing miracles today for real?

lawani:
You are not making sense. So if I learn say nuclear physics on my own, it can only be because of poverty? That is stupidity. I was drawn to Ifa, was curious about it and learnt it on my own starting from 2012

Physics totally differs from spirituality!
Ifa is just one out of thousands of spirits each has a lineage that they had a covenant with the ancestors so if you are not from that lineage ifá won't call you and learning ifá becomes impossible for you.😟

Tens of thousands of different religions claiming Christians that's why you can't see the truth by simply observing these different religions.
The true Christian Organization is just one and their gathering is an undeniable evidence that Christianity is the only true religion!

Moremii:
Slow down. You can't draw any reasonable conclusions here because your logic - even though it's effective against inerrancy - doesn't actually reach as far as you're swinging it. Let's start with what you've gotten right: you've destroyed the fundamentalist claim that every word is divinely dictated. That's a solid rebuttal. But "the witnesses disagreed on peripheral details" doesn't automatically mean "therefore nothing happened." You're making a huge stretch.

Two witnesses to an actual events can contradict each other regularly on the specifics of what happened while agreeing on something central occurring. What you've actually proven is that institutional Christianity built on a fortress of inerrancy has a catastrophically weak foundation.

And funny enough, this is what Gnostics have been shouting about since the second century. We just drew very different conclusions about the things that remained.

lawani:
But the Babalawos do have a saying that Babalawos do not fast and that saying is in mockery of the Muslims. Fasting in that sense only mean abstinence from food. I have never said I am immersed in Iseese. I grew up as a Christian and learnt Ifa on my own.

There is no truth in learning ifa on your own that's totally a wrong move it's only poverty that makes people take such wrong step.
Ifa has a lineage of its own practicers so only children whose ancestors were from the practicers of ifa goes to learn more and such do occur when the spirit of ifa keeps on calling that person to come and serve as its priest such a person may even be wealthy through other means but when ifá insists that he should come and serve as ifá priest he must answer the call.
So saying you learned ifá on your own shows your motive is not pure and ifá won't open the sky to tell you that you're false.
Now see what you are always doing here asking people to come and consult you when you don't even know the indepth of what you claim!😟

OK so you believe some Bible are false?

May you have peace!🙂

obonujoker:
Mark 16:15, is present in every true Bible

lawani:
Taboo or Eewo is not the same thing as fasting

Èèwọ̀ is abomination not abstinence.

I said it several times that you know nothing about spirituality because all spiritualists are spirit mediums and each spirit has what they detests so to consult each spirit that's specially in charge of a matter you must be in tune with that particular spirit which neccesitates abstinence from what that spirit detests.

For instance you need to connect someone with the minister for works and the minister hates body spray because he is asthmatic since you are the one connecting the needy person to the minister you must first abstain from body spray even if you love it and also tell the the person you are taking there to do the same thing.

Ọmọ that is what fasting means!

There is nothing good in being dead life is the best gift ever {Ecclesiastes 9:4 compare to Isaiah 38:9; } but from the moment death becomes a compulsion and whatever we do now will determine if we will be given another opportunity to live again then the day a person dies becomes a better chance that the day he is born.

Why?

Because that is the day observers can all serve as witness that this person did all he could do to please God well! Ecclesiastes 7:1-2

That is the reason why Jesus told his friends to celebrate the day he died {Luke 22:19} as he was able to accomplish (finish) all the works assigned to him! John 19:30

lawani:
If you were really close to them as you say then you would have known that it is a common saying that Babalawo do not fast.

Stop lying nah.
You are GenZ Babalawo, real babalawo don't ask anyone to come for healing or wealth their duty is to consult spirits regarding what their customer need to do or where he has made a mistake in the past so as to retrace his steps.
The abstinence Babalawo often engage in is to strengthen his connection with the spirits because all spirits do have what they detests therefore during the period a real babalawo wants clear directions on certain matters he must abstain from whatever the spirit in charge of that particular thing detests of course that's what we all know as FASTING!

lawani:
Babalawo do not fast. You don't have to fast to do expert work that you were trained for.

This is why i stopped engaging you because you always tell lies deceiving yourself and the people believing you.
I'm not a traditionalist but i was close to them back in the 80s and 90s before i started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses.
You said Babalawo do not fast shey?
Perhaps you know more than all traditionalists in Africa o!🤔

Alapereketu:
20k for consultation fees on your profile
Something way I go pray and fast for 30days and God will answer my prayers immediately.

The Bible God never promised anyone riches because He is not the one sharing riches in today's world.

He is not partial so whatever He wants to give everyone will get equal share!

Alapereketu:
no bro

Ok i'm still very much with you.

The Bible Jesus said a lot about how he had nothing materially speaking.

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

“Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Luke 9:58

Do you think this person talking can give anyone money when he advised his friends not to accumulate riches here on earth?😟

Alapereketu:
lol 😂

Please are you lawani?
Please i don't want to engage liars who aren't sincere with themselves today!

Alapereketu:
Jesus Christ die poor 😂

Yes nah so how can any reasonable individual think of begging Jesus for money when Jesus himself died without having anything?😟

Here is Mammon the spirit of greed and gold that ritualists turn to for instant riches that's why Jesus told his listeners that they can't be worshipers of Mammon and at the same time worshipers of the true God! Matthew 6:24

Alapereketu:
yes sure 😊

I don't know you are here to joke jàre!😂

Alapereketu:
I rather do money ritual than to wait for jesus Christ time
That's one of the evidence I'm talking about.

Surely you don't know anything about tradition you're just kidding because no tradition teaches money rituals the spirit that's behind money rituals is in all nations and they all have what they call it but when talking about worship no god promises a worshiper riches.
People calling Jesus for riches are not worshiping Jesus o nah evil spirit dem dey worship because even Jesus self no get money!🙂

Alapereketu:
why did those peoples who does money ritual get money faster than to pray to your Jesus Christ and get nothing

Are you saying traditionalists are ritualists?😟

I hope this Alapereketu is not the same lawani o!🤔

Alapereketu:
yes sure
Even Google ai will bring the evidence out

If you believe Google and AI so why are you doubting Jesus because the two also wrote about Jesus nah?😟

Alapereketu:
Nigeria believe in idols those days
And they answer them immediately

Do you have evidence?

Alapereketu:
You make me laugh 😂
Bring proof or evidence
Don't believe everything inside bible ooo.

Why do intelligent people believe what is written in the Bible?
In ancient times all nations have their forms of worship and names of deities their ancestors worshiped back then but do you know of any deity (god) who made a promise regarding our modern times which is fulfilling today?😟

Alapereketu:
Nothing like Christianity during first century. They're all traditionalist. Even your forefather are traditional in religion.

Where is your evidence?

Alapereketu:
Until white men colonize Africa they bring Christianity to Africa.

What the colonizers brought is politics not Christianity if you truly want to see the truth as it really is!

Alapereketu:
no proof or evidence
Actually seun is right.

Do you believe in reasonableness?

Imagine a mythical character in a book who said:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

This year makes 1993 years he uttered the above statement, today in a world where people believe in vengeance with the use of weapons a group emerged preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door just as this mythical character taught in the fairytale book. Matthew 10:11-13
This group have taught people who become their members in all the nations never to return evil for evil. Matthew 5:43-48
This group has used what this mythical character said to erase racism in the minds their members so that they are now known globally as if a strong bond is binding them together like one family. John 13:34-35
No member of this group is into politics or military service in all the earth. John 17:14; Matthew 27:52
In fact most people say the world will become a better place if only members of this group fill the planet.
Please what do you say about such a character?
Will you conclude he never existed or you were misinformed?🙂

YES!

Alapereketu:
did Jesus really exist.

The world will have their kings while we (subjects of Christ) remain in their midst as strangers that's why we are not loyal to any human government.
We Christians can live without their laws but they can't live without their own rulers because with Jesus we are righteous and we use God's word for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God (Christian) may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:17-17
Human rulers are for worldly people not Christians our own government is in Christ Jesus the heavenly government that is why we use God's word to rule among ourselves while the world use Satan's government! 1John 5:19🙂

chimex38:
Assuming but not conceding that they are from Satan, how can we then live as a people without law and order?

Before John the baptist whoever rules in any part of this planet could remain a servant of God but after John declared saying:
“Repent, for the Kingdom (government) of the heavens has drawn near.” Matthew 3:2
Satan began working towards another direction and his motive is the use all means within his reach to fight against the Christ and his kingdom so nobody from that moment could be a ruler in any part of the world and remain loyal to God.
That's why Jesus said:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom {government) of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it" Matthew 11:12
You may not understand this is what he is saying:
From the days of John the baptist loyal, faithful and sincere humans fitting to rule with the Christ are willing to work with him as his corulers but only those who are ready to give it whatever it takes are reaching out for it!
Satan immediately started giving human kings lots of devilish rituals that will involve human blood which is to make them kill their conscience but whoever can't do so must forget about rulership because if you are not wicked just like Satan he won't be pleased to have you as one of his corulers in any part of the earth:
“I will make you king over all these places. You will have power over them, and you will get all the glory. It has all been given to me. I can give it to anyone I want." Luke 4:6
Imagine a person whose deeds pleases Satan the Devil!😟
So my friend no ruler from that time could be a friend of Jesus unless you are ready to give up Satan's government.
You must choose one side!😟

FxMasterz:
My dear, stop all these falsehoods and let us teach you sound doctrine.
Nicodemus was actually a disciple of Jesus. He even joined in burying Jesus alongside Joseph of Arimathea. And if you don't believe that, go read the Bible very well. Read the screenshot I added too.

Which church taught you this?

Because no Christendom Church that's telling people what you are saying now all of them wants to eat their cake and still have it!🙂