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This is what the Ecclesiastes means?

What you need is a Bible study!

Ecclesiastes simplified everything in the Bible whatever we are struggling to get is not real because we will still die anyway and if you think your children will inherit your wealth what assurance do you have?
We came to earth empty handed and so we return empty handed our only hope is if God finds us worthy to come back and live again! Job 14:13-15

FxMasterz:
When we say God's servant, that doesn't mean the person is a worshipper of God.

Exactly my point!
So just as an idol worshiper may be the one doing what falls in line with God's will it doesn't mean such a person is a worshiper of God.
That's what i've been saying since that no politician or world ruler can be a Christian of course they may unknowingly do things that falls within God's purpose.
May you have peace!🙂

Obviously you just want to argue but i think the message has been passed at least throughout the world there is no single JW in any political position just as it was in the first century.
And you with your friend who wants to claim Christians are among politicians can't mention one throughout the world.
There is no need to argue blindly!🙂

chimex38:
If a Government leader serves God and defaults from time to time knowingly and unknowingly, does that automatically make him/her Satan and not of God?

Good question!
Of course they can't be Christians!

WHY?

Jesus commanded his disciples to go and preach from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} that is something really difficult for them because they are always going about with armed guards whereas disciples of Christ must be harmless as dove {Matthew 10:16} so that whoever they preach to can freely ask them any question that comes to his or her heart even annoying ones.

That is exactly why a politician in Jesus' day was disappointed despite knowing that Jesus is the Christ he couldn't be one of his disciples! Luke 18:18-24

FxMasterz:
Maxindhouse, if your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers.

God's organization teaches His people to distinguish between right and wrong unlike you people who don't know the difference.
The same thing Paul said is what God's organization is repeating today.

If God has permitted Satan to choose his own friends into his kingdom (Government) that is because God's time to exterminate them hasn't reach so whoever violates that arrangement is fighting against God!

Before John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth God's people always fight to destroy their enemies but from the day God appointed a period of time for the nations to rule no servant of God should go against that arrangement. That is why the Jews hated Jesus with passion because they feel pagan nations shouldn't continue ruling over them when the Christ comes so they tried to make Jesus king by force {John 6:15} with the intention that he will wipe out pagan rulers throughout Israel and the world at large. Isaiah 9:6-7 compare to Daniel 2:44
But what did Jesus tell his own disciples who were willing to know why Jesus wasn't taking such actions?

Jesus told his friends not to support the nation of Israel in their violation of the arrangement because all those protesters:

"will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." Luke 21:24

So God has appointed a period of time for Satan and his agents to govern the planet that is what Satan told Jesus in the Bible book of Luke 4:6-7 Jesus never denied it instead he told his disciples that Satan is truly the one ruling over the world {John 14:30} Paul said the same thing {2Corinthians 4:4} and John also said the same thing! 1John 5:19

So whoever is into politics can't be one of God's worshipers that's why you can't point to a single Christian among all the politicians in the world!🙂

Of course violating God's arrangement is like disobeying God.
Jesus taught us to do whatever world rulers say {Matthew 5:41} as long as it doesn't go against God's will {Mark 12:17} but we must remember that it's Satan that appointed them {Luke 4:6} as the ruler of the world! John 14:30

So Paul is not saying this world rulers are doing God's will rather they stand in place to maintain orderliness in human societies therefore when they ask for tax we should pay because that is part of what they use to run their government and when they make some policies as long as it doesn't conflict with God's will we should obey {Romans 13:6-7} but we should always remember that they are not worshiping our God so you can't see a single Christian among them.

But if you want to help your friend please mention one Christian in any country you know who is ruling as King or politician.

At least you guys have been hiding your churches for a reason best known to you but now mention a Christian who is into politics in any part of the world i believe that shouldn't be hard for you nah!😟

chimex38:
From the JW explanation overview website ,
Secular Goverment and worldly rulers are described as God's Ministers, servants of God, who if defied by the citizens incuring God's wrath who punish such citizens through the worldly Rulers.
Meaning, the Worldly Rulers are an extension of God's ordained Leadership to carry out law, Order and judgement on the citizens.
Citizens shouldn't have fear of the worldly rulers if they are upright.

Whoever opposes worldly Authority is bringing judgement against oneself(Rom13:2).

Cc: fxmasterz
(Use Desktop view to see JW official explanations)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

Tilewizy:
It can not be argument, because when the truth of the gospel is preached every false teaching/doctrine would bow. For you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Being a Christian is a daily walk (relationship) with God (the Trinity combined) and having an encounter with Him.

What has this truth you know achieved in the gathering of its adherents?
See what people in general are saying as they observe the fine fruit in the gathering of Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 5:16

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

FxMasterz:
False prophet, God is the One who appoints rulers.

Luke 4:5-7🤔

You can't know if you are doing God's will or Satan's if you are viewing matters from a human standpoint that is why Jesus said:
"By their FRUITS you will know" Matthew 7:16
The FRUIT expected of God's worshipers is that of His SPIRIT {Galatians 5:22-23} God's predominant quality is LOVE {1John 4:8} so whatever teaching you may have been taught from childhood please please please do not use it as a yardstick to judge any religious group!
For instance you said about Jehovah's Witnesses:

1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only.
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith.
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

Is this how Jesus Christ God's only begotten Son say you should judge this matter?

NO!

Rather he said you should look out for the FRUIT of God's holy spirit. Matthew 7:16

WHY?

Because Satan can brandish falsehood and make it sound good to you all these things you are saying became the dogma in most religions since they have been said repeatedly in their ears whereas these doctrine never produce the FRUIT expected of Christianity!😟

Now let's go back to Jehovah's Witnesses and the FRUIT they produced with their seemingly devilish doctrines.
1. LOVE this group is the one and only organization that has promoted love in all the nations among peoples who are willing to obey Christ Jesus so when talking about WARS that often leads many worshipers into killing their own fellow believers JWs don't participate! John 13:34-35; Mark 12:31

2. JOY there is no religion that's has promoted joy in the hearts of their members like JWs as this people often create time to visit their neighbors despite the hardship that's affecting the world making everyone so busy with daily activities. Matthew 10:11-13 compare to Luke 10:17

3. PEACE when talking about peaceful people JWs are the first to remember because they don't participate in any kind of protests or violent acts in the public. Matthew 10:16

4. PATIENCE due to anxiety in our world today patience is lost but JWs are known for their patience as they always go about their daily life without desperation unlike those taking the lead in other religions who are known for their desperation to get rich at all cost! Matthew 6:19-21

I can go on and on with all the nine qualities of God's holy spirit as JWs are unitedly exhibiting the FRUIT. This doesn't mean you can't find few bad eggs among them just as it occurred in the first century among Christians but in most countries people will tell you the same thing about this group and can you imagine that even among Arab as in Islamic countries JWs still exhibit the same FRUIT?

So my friend use the lense Jesus gave us not human philosophy to judge this matter!

Tilewizy:
..Jesus admonishing His disciples to love one another has he loved us.
I never preached hate here, infact I pray that thier eyes of understanding be opened. We love everyone of God's creation, however, we must never compromise the truth and never allow others to be misled.
I am only enlightening people who genuinely are seeking answers. Even the Muslims claim they know Jesus Christ and honour Him more than the bible teaches or than the Christians, but every true Believer or follower of Jesus Christ knows that this is false.

chimex38:
Rulers are constantly linked to God in all JW explanations.
The word Satan was never ever mentioned.

You keep following me from thread to thread and that is good for you a lot of blessings awaits you if you don't give up in your quest.

According to God's word Satan started ruling over mankind after man's fall in Eden that is why God destroyed many humans directly because they weren't doing God's will rather that of Satan {Genesis 6:5} in fact regarding whose will the majority are doing God's word has this to say:

They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not (God's) children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation. Deuteronomy 32:5

When Jesus walked the earth his mission was to train faithful and loyal individuals and make them God's sons {John 1:11-12} but Satan was fully ready to counter this move that is why he continued to initiate satanism in the gathering of world rulers so that through them he can control the entire inhabitants of the planet against Christ and his disciples. Revelation 12:17

Why this move?
Because when Satan and his demons tried to exterminate Jesus' apostles the earth (faithful humans) join them to do the work Jesus assigned to them making it rather difficult for Satan to carry out his evil scheme! Revelation 12:6

So from that time till today Satan focus on human governments as a tool to use against God's organized people.
Do you even know why they gave people anthems and pledges?

Well just as Nebuchadnezzar arranged for an anthem to make all the people do whatever he wants the same thing is happening today your rulers are giving you anthems and pledges that will erase the love of neighbors and fellow believers in your hearts so that instead of obeying Jesus {Mark 12:31; John 13:34-35} you will obey them and Satan their God! Revelation 6:3-4🙂

Institution doesn't mean destination o!

When a child is born a parent wish his child become either a doctor, lawyer, engineer or entrepreneur in the future so the child is sent to school (institution) not just to learn how to become what they wanted but also to mingle with different kinds of people and know what to expect in the future because it's these same kind of people that will make up the society in which the child is to practice whatever he has learned in the institution.
The right question we need to ask ourselves is:
If my parents have the power to stop all evildoers in the society do i still need to spend years in the institution?
The answer is NO!
So also when God's Kingdom comes all human governments will be destroyed completely {Daniel 2:44} because by then only God's government will reign over all the earth and there will be no need of human government anymore!

FxMasterz:
False prophet. This is what the Bible says: Romans 13:1-7;
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Did Jesus say that to those who came to apprehend him unlawfully?

No nah, rather he spoke to his own as in those who wants to gain everlasting life.

So Jesus' wise counsel is only for those who are willing to do God's will not just everybody!

grandiose4ever:
“[Hamas, Iran] Put your sword back in its place,for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. ‭Matthew 26:52 NIV‬[/b]
You see? Preach it to Hamas and iran cos they drew the sword.

lawani:
How is it different? You learn under a master and from master to master then become a master and start rising through the ranks. It is still the same thing.

Can you remind me any ancient ifá ranking in the history of Yorùbás?🙂

grandiose4ever:
Well you should have then preached that to Hamas before they sent hundreds of raping, killing terrorist into Israel on Oct 7.

When Pharisees sent hoodlums and thugs to unlawfully apprehend Jesus at night what Jesus said to Peter wouldn't make any sense to you:


“Put your sword back in its place,for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. ‭Matthew 26:52 NIV‬

lawani:
The Awo Orunmila have their own community and they choose their leaders by themselves. They can bypass elderly people to appoint a younger person as Oluwo. I know of examples even in the modern day and it is to do with your expertise. They will not choose an incompetent person over a slave that is competent.

So this Awo Ọ̀rúnmìlà is new because it's not what used to happen in ancient times!🙂

Christ detests violence so there is no way a Christian can say he is supporting what Christ abhore!😟

I disagree with the highlighted because Ògbóni is political they are in charge of whatever goes on in the community while ifá priests are only consulted when there is need for their services.

That is why a slave can't become Olúáwo in Ògbóni.

lawani:
In the past, all free elderly men in a Yoruba city were Ogboni but it can be possible for a slave to become an Oluwo of the Awo Orunmila since it is by knowhow and expertise. Such a slave will not be a member of the Ogboni. A young man can also become Oluwo in ifa but a young man can not be Ogboni. In today's world a practicing Babalawo will most likely belong to the Ogboni council in his city apart from being a member of the iledi of Awo Orunmila.

lawani:
Possible in today's world since they are not the same organisation but unlikely

So originally all Oluwos are Ògbónis.
Right?🙂

Is there any Olúwo who is not a member of Ògbóni?🙂

lawani:
So you don't even know the difference between Awo Ogboni and Awo Orunmila? Those titles are Ogboni titles and Oluwo Ogboni does not have to be a Babalawo. Oluwo Ogboni just need to be an upright person ready to work for humanity.
When you pay a Babalawo to work for you, it is just to work for you and not to teach you ifa.

lawani:
You have to teach people to become an Oluwo.

So are you saying those you are calling to come and pay you ₦20,000 for their consultation are aspiring to become Olúáwo?😂
Ọmọ the Olúáwo only teach members of the Awo like Apènà, Aṣípa, Lísà how to progress not just anybody!🙂

The highlighted is where you erred because Satan openly declared that he is the one appointing human rulers from the time of John the baptist. Luke 4:6-7

So i'm presenting a balanced view of what the Bible teaches!

God permitted Satan's agents so as to maintain law and order among their own people while we live peacefully in their midst because we exhibit the fruit of God's holy spirit against which there is no law they can pass as bill. Galatians 5:22-23🙂

FxMasterz:
You don't understand the Scriptures.
What I'm telling you is that God appoints rulers. Not Satan. And the Bible says the rulers are God's servants, and that believers should submit to these authorities.
But, you said the Bible lied and that your doctrine is more dependable than the Bible.

I decided to drag you into divulging what you were hiding before.
So from our discussion so far ifá has a lineage of worshipers, it's not all worshipers that go into consultancy, and professionals from other fields can also seek protection from ifá, the ranks in ifá doesn't necessarily means a person must be a consultant before attaining higher level in ifá and finally oluwos only act as medium for members of their group not for commercial purposes!

Thanks for your time!🙂

lawani:
You can qualify as an Awo and not practice surely but you can not become an Oluwo without having students and consulting for people. You can't build something on nothing. You are the one lying that you know Oluwos and Arabas who don't consult for people. That is a blatant lie and to think you are accusing another person of lying

Tilewizy:
They are not Christians because;
1. They demystify the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rather commemorate with his death only
2. They remove the mystery and life of the subject of faith
3. They reduce the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd God head)
4. In other words, they don't believe in the trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

What did Jesus say about the identifying mark of his real disciples? John 13:34-35

obonujoker:
God is still working miracles in places of God such as the Lord's Chosen Church etc...
Instead of arguing, why not visit the church one day to ascertain?

Perhaps this is one of the miracles!😂

FxMasterz:
You should first mention the countries that are ruled by true devils.

According to the Bible Satan is the ruler of the world and you agreed with that the Bible also said Satan offered Jesus a position under his government:

“I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. If you, therefore, do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:6-7

So from the above scriptures it's clear that there is no country on this planet that's not ruled by Satan otherwise he can't say "all these authorities"

But if you feel there is any country where a true believer in Christ is ruling please share the information let me know!🙂

FxMasterz:
Any leader that is a follower of Christ is not connected to Satan's network. That includes many true servants of God who hold Territories for God in the Church, business and in organizations.

Can you mention a country that is ruled by a true Christian?🙂

obonujoker:
Hopefully not JW Bible or Bible of the Latter Day (Joseph Smith)

If that is exactly what Jesus said please where are those performing the miracles today?🙂

lawani:
You don't know many Awos. It is like saying someone became a medical consultant without seeing fifty patients in total. Nobody can become Oluwo without consulting for others and having students. Awo Orunmila is a handwork and if you are really good then you will have no time for any other handwork. You will only be investing your earnings into other things. Can somebody seeing thirty people a day have time for any other thing?
I am not saying people should not have multiple sources of income though

You are just lying to yourself.
Awo doesn't mean they must become consultants o it simply means they've attained another level many of them don't live their profession and some are even claiming PASTORS in our society.
So stop lying because such ones can't abandon their church and start consulting ifá publicly!🙂

FxMasterz:
God appointed them. The Bible says "they're God's servants for your good." Simple. No one is talking about who controls them. They're not all controlled by the same persons.

FxMasterz:
Very well established by my analysis. The evil one controls the whole world through his numerous network of proxies.
This further reinforces what I told you.

Which world ruler is not connected to the network Satan is using to control the world?🙂

FxMasterz:
Very well established by my analysis. The evil one controls the whole world through his numerous network of proxies.
This further reinforces what I told you.

So who is controlling the world rulers? 2Corinthians 4:4

FxMasterz:
God is in control of the universe. He is the God of the entire universe.

We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:16

God is the Creator but Satan is in control of the largest number of people!