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Gabrielshow24:
That's really foolish of you to say🤔.
I wonder why he didn't "turn the left cheek"? 🤔

Cheek in the spirit realms?

Gabrielshow24:
Circular arguments 🤨.
Now we are back to the first conversation we had together 👀 how your hypocritical Michael fought wars in heaven then became a pacifist on earth?

He was fighting God's enemies not God's worshipers {Revelations 12:7} do you get it now?

Or do think Satan and Demons are worshiping God in spirit and truth?

Gabrielshow24:
Now tell me something new.
How did your God create Jesus?

God has many creations but Jesus is the first that God singlehandedly created all by Himself that's what makes Jesus God's only begotten son.
Just as God created humans to create so many things we are now using the same way God created only one creature and gave him the sense to create other things! Colossians 1:15-16

Gabrielshow24:
Hmm,
The voice of the Lord walking in the Garden🤨 comes to mind!
Irrespective, you form words when using your voice🤔.
Or can you speak with voicing out? 🤨

God talking in the garden nah.

That's what Adam heard.

Say another thing!

Gabrielshow24:
The true children of God are one with God in spirit and Truth.

YES but that TRUTH and SPIRIT doesn't prevent you people from fighting and killing your fellow worshipers shey? John 13:34-35

You sabi no be small!

Gabrielshow24:
The same way God didn't lose his voice.

The Bible didn't call Jesus God's voice o nah God's word. Revelations 19:13

That's means he explained God the best way for whoever is willing to listen! John 1:18

Gabrielshow24:
I and my Father are one🤨.
They are one!

Jesus said the same thing about Jehovah's Witnesses! John 17:22

That doesn't make me and Janosky the same person o!

Gabrielshow24:
You seem to conflating Jesus being the wisdom of God with Jesus being the same as God, which am guessing stems from your illiteracy. As you posted some quotes ago🤨 Christ is the Master worker🙃 that is also the wisdom of God.

Paul used that title for Jesus and since we read at Proverbs 8:22-30 that someone was working beside God as a master worker that is settled.
But claiming the title means God can't separate from Jesus is a lie.

Jesus prayed to God who is far away in heaven and the distance doesn't mean God lost his wisdom when Jesus was here on earth!

Gabrielshow24:
It seems you only attended primary school 🤔!

So is Jesus inseparable from God?
Think wisely before answering🙃

We all know how dumb you are?
You keep hooking yourself.
From non-existent angelic laws, to the foolishness of God and now "Jesus' separability from the Father" 🤔

Ọmọ insults can't save your face now!

If Jesus could separate from his father does that mean God no longer has wisdom when Jesus was on earth?

Gabrielshow24:
Did you create your own wisdom?

Paul used that title because it's through Jesus that mankind gained salvation and all what God purposed in the beginning came through for mankind through the life and ministry of Jesus not that God doesn't have wisdom without Jesus o!

But if that's what you assume oya answer the simple question.

Who was Jesus praying to when he was on earth?

delkuf:
that quickly ran through his mind. See as you talking as if you were in his mind.
Because he said remember me when you get to your kingdom means he has accepted Christ.
Well I don't want to argue with you. Ok ooooooo

Guy argue!
If you love God this is the time to argue not just following faithless miscreants to criticize Jehovah's Witnesses.

Those thieves were Jews who have been taught by their religious leaders many of the prophecies having to do with the Christ {Matthew 23:2-3} so what i quoted is exactly what any Jew of his time could remember and due to his good heart condition he was able to sum it up and decided wisely!

Ask questions! argue! now is your chance of gaining wisdom not just following faithless people antagonizing God's people:

“You must not spread a report that is not true. Do not cooperate with a wicked one by becoming a malicious witness. You must not follow after the crowd to do evil, and you must not pervert justice by giving testimony to go along with the crowd" Exodus 23:1-2

delkuf:
faith is worked out no doubts but salvation is a gift.
He didn't repent that was why it is gift.

delkuf:
how did he obey you that know. Tell us how

The more i read your comments the more your folly is exposed.
So if he didn't repent then on what ground was he given the gift God promised only those that repents?

Ọmọ you don't know anything yet you want to argue.

That guy was a criminal who doesn't feel the Christ is coming to save Israel again after so much waiting but at the point of death the words of his partner in crime revived him:

“You are the Christ, are you not? Save yourself and us too!” Luke 23:39

That quickly ran through the mind of the other guy. If Jesus is called the Christ by most people but he's now dying beside them who are criminals surely Jesus is truly the Christ:

Because he poured out his life even to death And was counted among the transgressors; He carried the sin of many people, And he interceded for the transgressors. Isaiah 53:12

So Jesus has the power to break free but he didn't, surely he is ready to sacrifice his life for many people according to the scriptures!

That's why he said to his cohort in crime:

“Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment? And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.” Luke 23:40-41

Turning to Jesus:

 Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” Luke 23:42

This statement means he as accepted Jesus as the Messiah and king of God's promised Kingdom. That's what all sinners need to do!

So Jesus can't deny this guy what all repentant sinners deserve!


“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise" Luke 23:43

Now answer the question:

Has this thief REPENTED of his sins or not?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂😂 kindly show me the grammatical error that might arise when "The God" is added to the king James version since you added "The man" to your analogy of John 1:1. Does the screenshot below prove that you are actually the one blind?

These people are really funny they move from one topic to another when you are discussing with them.
Though whenever i have a Bible student with me i ignore whatever they're saying it's only at my leisure that i attend to them.
For this one Emusan is hooked just like his brother/friend who said Jesus wasn't created and so he is inseparable from God yet Jesus prayed.
Abeg to who?

Someone created something that's working perfectly and another person said this invention of your is your power and wisdom.
Does that mean the person was foolish before the invention?
Churchgoers and their funny arguments!

delkuf:
the man that was crucified with Jesus did he obeyed God in any way.

YES he did!
If you don't know something ask!

Gabrielshow24:
If God created Jesus, what did he create him with, Jesus abi?
Wisdom is an inherent attribute of God!

Your style of running away using insults to cover up don't work with me o, i'm not Janosky who will start trading words with you when serious matter is on ground.

Nothing concerns us with what God use to make His spirit sons but if you say the wisdom speaking in Proverbs 8:22-30 is not created by God then who was Jesus praying to?

Gabrielshow24:
Don't change the problem statement 🤨.
I don't let worms off my hook.
We are discussing the wisdom of God!
You claimed Jesus was a master worker therefore solidifying your perceived angelic role of him.
I pointed out, Jesus sees his Father work thus he works also🤨.
What then shall we say of the Lord working?
Lord worker🤨?
Then you shifted with God attaining wisdom later on or creating wisdom later on?
Which implies God was greatly foolish before Jesus supposed creation🤨!!!
Also, he can't do anything without Jesus😁-self explanatory🙃
Thereby confirming Janosky's statement that 'God needs Jesus to do stuff' or rather put explicitly God sent Jesus to create the universe .
Now you are trying to snake off.
No way

God created Jesus and this son performed excellently that's why God is fond of His only begotten son {Proverbs 8:30} the existence of Archangel Michael shows God is wise.
But if you say it's something that's inseparable from God:

Gabrielshow24:
Wisdom is an inherent characteristic of God;

Then who was Jesus praying to?

Gabrielshow24:
You do know the way your foolishness can't be separated from you, the same can be said of God.
"wisdom is not something God has, but rather something God is "
The inverse is well documented in your own nature🙃!

OK so Jesus was praying to himself while on earth shey?

Emusan:
Attend to your lie that Jesus only became the Word of God after his mission on earth

You don go chop shey?
Abegi let me hear wetin Mr Gabriel wan tok!

Wahala yaaaso!
Which one should i attend to now?

delkuf:
See we are not fighting.

But you've been trailing me up and down the forum with insults simply because i'm one of JWs.
Now you are typing nonsense saying everlasting life is not eternal life.
Surely you no dey go church at all nah to read and start arguing blindly you dey do!

Gabrielshow24:
This is foolishness.
Wisdom is the principal thing!
Hence God had wisdom in the beginning and all things proceeded from this wisdom! 😁

If that is what your pastors told you it's fine but the real meaning is that creating Jesus is what proved God wise just as creating man proved Him wise.
If God created man in his image and man beautified the earth with all what we have today surely the wisdom comes from God who created man in His image.
Jesus being the first creature used in the creation of all others proved that God is wise.
That's the meaning not that without Jesus God is not wise o!

Janosky:
After reading the Bible chapter and verse, this Kiddo must say his personal assumptions exactly conflicting against the rendition of his own Bible.
Him Bible na souvenir, not for diligent study.

From the first day i proved to him that believers in Christ shouldn't carry weapons against their fellow believers Gabriel has been trailing me up and down the forum out of spite but i have overcome such childish behaviors what he is typing makes no practical sense to me i'm only responding to show him that he knows nothing! Proverbs 26:5

Gabrielshow24:
Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I."🙃
Hence Jesus made the universe 👀
The same thing your friend, the eternal fool, Janosky, alluded to!!! 😁
Indeed you know the truth but you don't say it!!!

Someone who is WITH another cannot be the same person nah.
So Jesus is not the God with whom he is working o!

delkuf:
am I arguing if is not God gift. You just talk anyhow

Everlasting life and Eternal life means the same thing.
That's what everyone is telling you!

Gabrielshow24:
Now you invariably proved Christ as God!
As far as anyone is concerned to do anything you need wisdom!
Hence God couldn't do anything without his son🙃—the wisdom of God, Word of God and Jesus Christ 👀

Thank you very much for making this clearer🤣🤣🤣

You're welcome.
So Christ Jesus is the one working as the master worker beside God in the beginning! Proverbs 8:22-30

delkuf:
Because of time, I will go straight to the point.
When you give you life to Christ, you are given a everlasting life. A life that translates us to heaven. John 3:16 "for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth In him should not perish but have everlasting life". When you believe in Lord Jesus that glhe is the son of God who came to earth to die for the sins of mankind, you are saved. You are given everlasting life. The life that make us citizens of heaven. But the problem is that we are still here on earth. We didn't leave the earth and go to heaven immediately. We still leave in this world of the devil and evil. How do we live through this world as a child of God that has been given everlasting life. A record was made in heaven by the Father, the son and the Holy Ghost(1 John 5:7) that anyone that believe on the Lord Jesus, will eternal life. So eternal life is the life of the Holy Spirit. A life that enable us to live here on earth with power over the devil and this world. A life that give us dominion. You will live a ordinary life even though you are saved until you have eternal life. You may have your life to Christ. You may believe in the Lord Jesus and have everlasting life and still be powerless. It is when you have the Holy Spirit become your life that you with and dominion over the devil and this world. Romans 8:10 says, And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness. It is only when the spirit becomes your life that he quicken your mortal bodies(Verse 11). It is then that the Holy Spirit will give life to your body. He will give you the abundant life the Lord Jesus talks about in John 10:10.


So everlasting life comes when we believe in the Lord Jesus and give our lives to him, he give us everlasting life. He saved us. We guarantee of heaven. But we still here on earth. So the the power and life that we need to live through in this life so that we don't lose the everlasting life given to us, we are given eternal life. SO I CALL EVERLASTING LIFE THE LIFE OF HEAVEN WHILE ETERNAL LIFE THE LIFE OF EARTH. Thanks I will stop here for now

You be confirmed Olódo!

John 3:16 says Everlasting life is God's gift for believing in Jesus while other translations called it Eternal life.

So stop deceiving yourself you goofed big time, humbly learn from those who knows!

Gabrielshow24:
God said everything he made was good🤔
Barely some thousand years later, he regretted making man🤣🤣🤣!!!
They didn't know you enough but now they have known you for what you really are🙃 —A madman!!!

Let people see what they said about Max:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

Jacktheripper:
This sounds particularly interesting.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

Gabrielshow24:
That's about wisdom or the attribute of wisdom found within God.
It has nothing to do with Jesus except if you are positing/insinuating that Jesus is The Father's wisdom🤨!!!
That's a different theological matter entirely. Think wisely before you answer🙃

Paul said Christ is the WISDOM that's speaking there o:

However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 1Corinthans 1:24

Gabrielshow24:
Better remove cjstars from there or do you want me to post his new thoughts about you🤣🤣🤣
From this I can draw an extrapolation that at least 70% of those people would have had a change of heart🤣🤣🤣

Let people see what they said first nah!

Gabrielshow24:
You're indeed a shameless fool.
You talk say God send Jesus to create the Universe

Wetin we go call Jesus wey create the universe!

Oh Jesus himself answered this question:

"Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time." Proverbs 8:30

So Jesus was taking orders from his father who taught him what to do!

Gabrielshow24:
See the way you twisted Psalms 9:17.
This is really extraordinary!
We are witnessing high level twisting of the word of God👀.
Your definition of unrighteous is also incredulous 🤕.
I'm impressed, you are a specialist in lies!!! 🤨

It's not compulsory you agree at least you have many who are witnesses that my explanation makes sense much more than your Pentecostal people:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

Jacktheripper:
This sounds particularly interesting.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down