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DaddyCoool:
That's the purpose of this thread: WHY?

God wants the matter settled once and for all time so that whoever lives on this planet after the issue is resolved will know what to tell coming generations why it's evil to think of independence from God's rulership.
All the troubles on this planet is coming from this same source as humans wants to rule over themselves independently of God's guidance.
According to the Bible Adam and Eve wanted to become like gods for anyone who is coming to live on this planet after them but at the same time they wanted absolute freedom from God.
That is the root cause of all the atrocities ever committed on this planet.
So God decided to PERMIT HUMAN RULE for thousands of years so that we may all come to the conclusion that humans can't rule humans successfully because there is no single person who can succeed in directing his own life talkless of directing millions! Jeremiah 10:23
But despite all the troubles majority are still clamoring for human government!
How?
They join hands in building destructive weapons, they set up different systems of rule and continue voting for humans anticipating a better life under humans like them! Psalms 146:3-4
If God had stepped in to end this thing without giving humans enough time it will still generate again so the approach He is using is the best way forward.
Many have lived and died on this planet God promised to raise them back to life whether they know Him or worship other gods all He wants from them is a sincere heart but those who deliberately chose to be evil will never be remembered they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17
So the time allowed for human rulership is very very necessary by the time God brings destruction upon all human government {Daniel 2:44} all those living by the time will say "YES, they have made us suffer under their useless styles of rule"

MightySparrow:
Not at all. It is only you are dealing with the question but perambulating. Be more direct.

It's OK let's see more contributions for others to learn after all it's not only Max who claims he has faith every religionist on this forum also makes the same claim!

MightySparrow:
Okay continue

If you are provoked please try not to be o it's what i have in the depth of my heart that i'm telling you but you don't have to take it if you have something better!

Truthseeker10:
But you claim he went to heaven before showing himself to the disciples. What did he go and do in heaven before coming back to show himself to his disciples?

Abeg allow this man to ROLL with those having the same belief like him in his own Christ nah!

MightySparrow:
Okay, continue

All the servants of God has always been accused as FALSE PROPHETS throughout all ages in fact whenever enemies of pure worship gain power they persecute God's real servants.
So instead of forming alliance with those whose intentions is not specific {Exodus 23:1-2} a real faithful person will figure out why some people whose beliefs are not unique in a sense gather around a group they all know their mission and beliefs to antagonize them.
Take for instance all those criticizing JWs including the so called PIMO they will say Jehovah's Witnesses criticize Christians that's why they want to criticize JWs in return but ask if these people agree on beliefs the answer is "NO"
The funniest are PIMO who are talking about JWs as evil people they will say the JWs speaks against Catholics but as them are they ready to worship with Catholics? NO
So all these people have no specific mission regarding faith the same thing false prophets were doing against God's servants in ancient times! Matthew 5:11-12
Me i was a Muslim all what i'm telling you now i discovered by studying the root cause of hatred in religion which is not common in Islam because they all face the same direction during worship.
But out of curiosity i decided to find out what makes JWs different from all others that's what led me to all that i know today!

DaddyCoool:
The issue is not the creation, the issue is that it's been ALLOWED to continue.

It must be allowed for a sound reason!

Emusan:
Shameless lying liar!

You must beg for that politeness.

The screenshot below is directly from your own organization which is a direct message from your own gods in Warwick.

Things to know!

1. The Title which asked: "What did Jesus do before he came to the Earth?"

2. The last part which says: "He served as the Word.

Now that your own organization claimed Jesus has been the WORD of God before coming to Earth.

Why did you lie that Jesus only became the Word of God after his mission on earth?

Let's see the person his blood is getting hot right now

Bugaa wọn!

MightySparrow:
John

Good!
The Kingdom of God is at hand or near to people living in John's time because he is the prophet who will usher in the ministry of Christ so anyone living then could become one of those that will rule with Christ in his Kingdom and that is exactly what happened to some of John's disciples.

Jesus also proclaimed the same thing {Matthew 4:17} so all those close to Jesus have the chance of becoming corulers with the Christ.

Jesus' disciples also proclaimed the same thing {Matthew 10:7} so anyone living during their time could have the chance to become a coruler with Christ.

That's why they keep on saying God's Kingdom is at hand.

But what happened in our own time that made Jehovah's Witnesses echoing the same message?

Jesus foretold of the signs of the end {Matthew 24:7-14] so while believers are seeing all these signs it's evident that anyone living in our time is closer to the kingdom because such a person will not just be reading about the signs but will have the opportunity to see many of these things fulfilled.

Now why do most people today get the message complicated is the anticipation of those proclaiming it because only Jesus had a clearer understanding of the message all others had wrong expectations while echoing it. John the baptist expected Jesus to start ruling in the first century so when he was imprisoned for so long and Jesus didn't come to rescue him John began questioning Jesus' authenticity saying "are you the Christ or should we expect someone else?" Matthew 11:3
Jesus' disciples also proclaimed the same message for years along with Jesus so after Jesus' resurrection they asked him if he's starting his government {Act 1:7} this shows that all believers in Christ since then had partial understanding of God's Kingdom! 1Corinthans 13:9

So if you follow those saying God's modern day worshipers are false prophets you will find out that there is no substantial evidence to prove it because they are performing in line with what they are proclaiming just as John the baptist and Jesus' disciples did in the first century while people living then were criticizing them!

gard9ner:
Go ahead

Christians are people following Jesus in thoughts,words and actions so Judas Iscariot qualified to be called a Christian.

There was a time all other disciples left Jesus and never thought of following him again but Judas stood with his other friends on Jesus' side! John 6:66-68

Judas Iscariot lost out because he failed to endure to the endure to the end of his earthly ministry.

So a Christian may lose if he did not endure to the end! Matthew 24:13

LordReed:
Abeg jor carry you yeye comot here. I stated my reason if you want to lie to yourself go ahead but don't involve me.

You can't fight it my friend.

You fought/argued in support of true faith because you sensed that something is wrong even though you are confused due to the fact that you yourself don't have faith.

Look at these comments they are from atheists like you:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

Of course these atheists don't find anything sound regarding faith but their comments says it all: they raised their voices in support of true faith just as you did!

MightySparrow:
Ga ahead

I'm not doing this alone both of us will work it out using the Bible.

So if you are ready i will start asking leading questions.

Who first said "God's Kingdom is at hand" in the Bible?

MightySparrow:
Well I have never considered JWs as prophets nor Mathew or anyone who didn't receive any revelations from God directly. If you now claim JWs are prophets. I need to be convinced of your prophethood. Up till now I have never considered JWs as prophets nor refer to JWs as such in my posts. Maybe I am wrong for that, teach me about it.

Now you are talking!

Prophets aren't people predicting what you must see to believe in what the say rather they are people acting in harmony with what they say.

When John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth said God's Kingdom is near it has a meaning if you don't know what that means surely both of them are false prophets because it's over 2,000 years now.

Do you want to know the meaning of that statement so as to prove elsewhere that both Jesus and John aren't false?

sonmvayina:
Why do you feel the need to be part of a group before you can Honor/Respect your parents?

'Honor' is a word that could be debated and misconstrued so i need to see how children are honoring their parents and i will see what benefits it brings through what they are doing.
But if you say 'honor' and another man say the same thing yet another say the same thing without any practical application there is no way i can grasp what that word really means.
That's why i need to see a group who are doing what God wants in order to know those doing the right thing!

I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses would you like me to participate in the ongoing discussion?

@ delkuf i believe one day you will ROLL with at least one person on this forum so you can prove that your Jesus is not only about you like billions out there whose Jesus is for only each of them while they keep on contradicting themselves!

sonmvayina:
Max for the last time, God never said we have to be members of a cult in other to keep his laws. I don't really know how else to hammer it into your ears. Why are you so fixated about being part of a group or cult? Do I need to be part of a group before I honor my parents or don't sleep with another man's wife?
Please, you can keep your group. It has got nothing to do with God.

Ọmọ i can't worship you if your brain is not getting what i'm telling you all these while.
There are billions of people out there all claiming they believe in God and you are just one out of the billions so i can't agree with you based on heresay if you can't present any group doing things right it's tantamount to worshiping you!

LordReed:
Because that was probably the first time I saw such misinformation against a group in this section.

"the first time I saw such misinformation against a group"

Well that's what FAITH has to do with you!

Jesus said:

If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you. Keep in mind the word I said to you: A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have observed my word, they will also observe yours.  But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know the One who sent me. John 15:18-21

This person is talking to who and just as you said why is it that you felt so touched that you begin to fight back despite the fact that you know why they are all speaking against just one group who are also using the same book with them?

delkuf:
you see this has been your problem, you think this a war. You think this is jw against world. I don't fight in should battle. I am for Christ and what he stand for. Anything or anyone against can't roll with me

So go and find those who are for your Christ so that you can ROLL with them!

delkuf:
am not looking for anyone to agree with me. You think I care what other people think. I know what the Father has taught me so I don't care about others

This is exactly what billions out there are saying so that each of you claims that God is teaching you directly leading you people into contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
You say they aren't teaching the true gospel and they are saying the same thing.
So that's why i don't care whatever you say as long as you can't present a group unitedly upholding the same line of thought just as Jesus said {John 17:22} and as his apostles said {1Corinthans 1:10} to me you are all blindfolded by the same person {2 Corinthians 4:4} the spirit of God doesn't promote confusion rather it brings peace among true believers! 1Corinthans 14:33
Today only my own church speak with one voice and are doing the will of one God globally! John 17:17

DaddyCoool:
John 1:3 "Through him all things were made, and without him nothing was made that has been made"

Did he created any being to cause harm?

LordReed:
Your faith was irrelevant. It could have been Ifa worshippers, and I would have said the same thing.

So why is it that the first time you will be arguing in favour of a group of religionists it's only JWs?

LordReed:
Oga this has nothing to do with anything I said in that thread.

But you kept arguing in favour of a group claiming others are lying against them because you know about their faith or because you don't know about their faith?

delkuf:
that is because what you believe is contrary to the gospel of Christ

Let me see if there is anyone who agrees with you on the same teaching nah!

delkuf:
ok. At least we are on the page today

You and i can never ever be on the same page.
I know this is CERTAIN!

delkuf:
haaaaaa. I don't want anybody. I only speak against those that try to twist the gospel of Christ and bring it to no infect

Just as some also say you are twisting the word of God so continue with them because i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses no matter what you say if you can't present any group practicing it you are one of those billions contradicting themselves out there!

LordReed:
Stop lying to yourself. I clearly stated it was about truth not faith or religion.

You may not have faith but that's what faith means.
According to the Bible:

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

All your posts on that thread is about how JWS DEMONSTRATES what they are saying by actions while none of those speaking against them can present any group doing something close.

Ọmọ that's what REAL FAITH is all about!

MightySparrow:
Yes, they were prophets.
Are JWs prophets?
No, they only try to reecho what prophets said or wrote.
That is much I know about JWs

I know you would make God's prophets false no matter how much you try as long as you want to discredit Jehovah's Witnesses!

@ Micah 4:1-3
The prophet REECHOED what Isaiah said in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4
So who is the prophet and who is false between the two?

@ Matthew 4:17
Jesus of Nazareth REECHOED what John the baptist said in the Bible book of Matthew 3:2

@ Matthew 5:5
Jesus of Nazareth REECHOED what David said in the Bible book of Psalms 37:9-11

So who is the real prophet and who is the false?

MightySparrow:
I think I have answered your question.
You have to claim to be a prophet first to be false or real.
So, I don't think I have better answer than that.

Did John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth claim to be prophets?
Did they say 'God's Kingdom is near' some 2,000 years ago?
Has God's Kingdom come ever since then?
If God's Kingdom hasn't come do you still count both men as real prophets?

delkuf:
I like the fact that didn't have the answer and you are leaving out. Thanks for your efforts. What if I tell you that the Lord Jesus decended after he ascended to heaven. What will your response be

Continue with your brethren after all it's them you want not me!

LordReed:
Here is the thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/5192280/hypocrisy-jehovah-witnesses

You really fought those churchgoers on that thread.
Well that's what it means to recognize real faith because they're all fighting against what they can't really explain.
On your part that was commendable!

MaxInDHouse:
What misinformation was WRITTEN about Jehovah's Witnesses so that it's you who doesn't believe in what they practice had to defend?

LordReed:
When I find the thread, I will call your attention to it.

This is all i expected from you!

delkuf:
And I ask when Jesus ascended to heaven did he decend to earth again. It is a very simple question. Yes or no. Did he decended to earth again after he ascended. No long grammer

OK let me leave you with your brethren i'm sure you will appreciate their responses.
Thanks for your time!