₦airaland Forum

delkuf:
so you are equating Joseph as the same to Jesus

Are you ready to talk or you still want to hide in your cave?


Ọmọ i don't have time for delusional religionists so if you don't have anything tangible to offer please keep off!

Tayorshd87:
Like seriously 😒 when it's time we all will conclude in the existence of all human race as just the word NATURE and there should be no religion ideas or belief guiding it

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “As far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious.”

Humans were created with the instinct to WORSHIP so there is never going to be a time RELIGION or WORSHIP will stop in the lives of humans whether you like it or not.
Religion/worship is like food to human society without it we can't survive at the same time if our nutrition isn't balanced we will still have problems but we can't do without food/worship!

immaculatesense:
Sir, you didn't get the message of both men. You only interpreted their intentions which was correct. James will trying to dispel the misinterpretation of Paul's letter especially to the Romans. People still misinterpreted it today that faith alone without good works equals salvation but James pointed it out that it is our good works that shows our faith in God.

There is nothing like good works, after Jesus' mission on earth the only good work anyone can engage himself is to join Jesus' disciples in the preaching and teaching work he assigned to them! Luke 18:18-23

Before Jesus works of faith is whatever God asks us to do outside our comfort zone that's what James is saying but some like you feels when you claim faith in Jesus without joining his disciples to preach and teach in your neighbourhood is enough ọmọ that's what James is saying!

Paul was telling Christians in Rome that many Jews feels its through the works of mosaic laws that they will gain salvation!

Nnamdipapa:
But I no longer believe in hell. It is a fairy tale used to scare the weak minds.

There is no horrible place called hell it's just the common grave of mankind so everyone even Jesus and all faithful servants of God went to hell!

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

When you get in touch with my brothers you will surely have a rethink about the existence of our God: JEHOVAH

May you have Peace!

tctrills:
No, we agreed not to include our churches in the discussion. I will continue to expose your falsehood but you are free to ignore sir

If you will not mention your church so we can assess the doctrine ọmọ nothing for you!

Gabrielshow24:
Now you have think, even the instances of your beloved - Michael shows him wielding a sword in his hand.

Almost every confrontational instance with Angels show them wielding swords in their hands!🤔

But someone else, Jesus, doesn't wield a sword in his hand, not even in the conventional way of self defense but rather in his mouth🤔.

This someone else wasn't a terror in heaven and then became a pacifist on earth👀 - showing grand hypocrisy of standards - but instead is consistent in the image of God, by using his word!!!

Not swords, nor flaming swords but Words!!!
And yet some JW from Nigeria says this two beings are equal, when there are apparent disparities!!!

If you allude to Jesus being Michael in heaven then he is nothing more but an hypocrite!!!🤨
Doing the same things he told his people not to!!!
And from the characters of Jesus he is not an hypocrite, hence Jesus can never be Michael 👀.

The absolute nature of God, makes him the same today, tomorrow and forever🤨.

Hence he can't be a purveyor of violence in heaven and then on earth become Buddha🤨!!!

You may wish Jehovah's Witnesses should contradict ourselves like you guys do but that's impossible because we all believe in the same source of guidance:

Jehovah ~ Jesus ~ Governing Body ~ elders ~ members of the congregation.

Whoever doesn't believe in this arrangement is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

cornelboy:
If I reply you make I bend

He's just a time waister!

Nnamdipapa:
"Now let's go back to where we started do you still think humans need guidance from God to know the best way to deal with our neighbours in order to avoid hurting them[b][/b]?
My answer is a resounding emphatic NO!
Also, there are more than 4 thousand Gods at the last count, which of the Gods might you be referencing? Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Brahanma..... You need to be specific and you don't presume your own God to be superior to others.
Also, I am in support of safe pre-marital sex so far it is consensual and both are of the age of majority.
We do not need the Bible or God to be moral or know the right things to do. People lived their lives before the advent of the Bible.

If you don't know the purpose of an author surely his book will make little or no sense to you.
Well there is just one God and it's until you know Him through the words of His WITNESSES before you can appreciate Him.

My purpose for engaging you is to make everyone who wants to chat with you know that you don't believe in any God you just want to draw them closer so that you can CONTROL/MANIPULATE their thinking to embrace ATHEISM. Proverbs 20:5
Thank you!

Nnamdipapa:
Your arguments seemed to support the verses of the Bible you quoted and mine also supported the verses I mentioned earlier above. Are you saying some verses of the Bible are more important and should be held in higher consideration than others?
Fyi, I don't believe the Bible has anything to do with any God. the Bible is entirely written by men to control others and is ridden with lots of errors and inconsistencies. I also do not think there is any God or any way as the notion of a God is entirely man-made to explain mysteries and control others.

The highlighted is what those you are calling pastors in Christendom churches think too that's why they contradicts themselves without shame claiming men of God but the truth remains that there is a God you only need to know the reason why He gave us the Bible but if you are not interested it's OK!

tctrills:
Are you ok sir?

I believe we have agreed not to cross each other's paths so if you're not ok that's your own cup of coffee!

Nnamdipapa:
If they are concerned, I would surely expect them to take over financial responsibilities for the baby and my daughter should the need arise. Shouldn't that be consistent with the actions of concerned individuals?
I totally understand the hypocritical nature of most Christians. They claim to be against abortions and they would never lift a finger to help children of others born into poverty. I like to press their buttons most of the time just for kicks.

Now let's go back to where we started do you still think humans need guidance from God to know the best way to deal with our neighbours in order to avoid hurting them?

Remember all these wouldn't have been if no young man brainwashed your child with sweet talks in the name of love to have premarital sex with her and your daughter too who is an adult would have chosen the best if she follow God's guidance regarding her dealings with the opposite sex.

tctrills:
This is the reasoning of a duck. One Archangel is mentioned in the bible so it must be Jesus Christ. How did you come to such a conclusion? Please provide your reasoning steps.

Come next time!

Nnamdipapa:
If you say " God doesn't like looking at what they are doing because His eyes are too pure!" does it mean God is not aware and have no knowlege of such people?

Your Bible interpretation of that passage is debatable and subject to your personal interpretations. I can confidently say over 99% of Pentecostal Christians disagreeing with you.

Please carefully read what God said:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it" Genesis 18:20-21

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12

Please what do you think about the highlighted in blue?

Do you still think Pentecostal Churches got things right?

Gabrielshow24:
These are the implications of a not thought out doctrine.

How can this be possible when all of you are contradicting yourself?

Nnamdipapa:
Yes. especially when the actions do not concern/affect them in any way like my supposed daughter's teenage pregnancy. It really concerns them in no way so their opinion is totally irrelevant. If there is a way my actions affect them in the slightest, then I will factor their opinions into my decision-making process.

Are you saying members of your extended family are not concerned about the action you take regarding the life of their niece, cousin and her unborn child?

Nnamdipapa:
Interesting?
In my reading of the Bible, I’ve noticed several passages that speak clearly about God’s omnipresence and all-knowing nature. For example, Psalm 139. In verses 1–6, the psalmist tells me, “O Lord, you have searched me and known me,” which I take to mean how completely God understands the humans.
Then, in verses 7–12, It says that no matter where I go—even if I were to soar to the heavens or delve into the depths of the earth—God’s presence is always there connoting Omnipresent.
Also, in Jeremiah 23:24, where God poses the question, “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him?” This drives home the that nothing is hidden from His sight. Similarly, Proverbs 15:3 tells me that “The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good,” further affirming His complete and constant awareness.
Together, these passages reinforce my conclusion that God is everywhere at once and possesses infinite knowledge about all things.

Thanks for the scriptural backing!

God only pay attention to those who are doing things pleasing to Him not all kinds of people so the Psalmist is talking about how God fixed His mind on those having faith in Him but when it comes to people who don't believe in God it's angels that are reporting to God what such ones are doing {Genesis 18:20-21} and as for evildoers God doesn't like looking at what they are doing because His eyes are too pure! Habakkuk 1:13

So He is not everywhere as religion says neither does He knows what is happening everywhere.

immaculatesense:
That's why I said Maxim, you still have a lot to learn about church history even from the Apostles days. So, you do not know the difference in Paul and James views on Salvation and Judaism.
That's why I advised that you need to broading your views. For a start, read Romans 4 and James 2:14 downwards and analyze to yourself Paul and James views on Genesis 15:6 and how James reanalyzed Paul's teaching to the Romans on Faith and works and Abraham's righteousness. Then link it to Paul's description of James friends when he rebuked Peter in Galatians 2:11-14.
Thanks.

You misconstrued the whole thing!

Paul talked about faith in Jesus' teachings against faith in the works of the mosaic laws {Romans 10:4} James talked about those claiming faith in Christ but aren't doing the WORKS Jesus assigned to his disciples.

According to Paul someone who based his salvation on the laws of Moses is not saved {Luke 18:18-23} James based his letter on the WORKS Jesus assigned which some doesn't feel is necessary as they thought Jesus' death has given them direct Visa to God's Kingdom when they refused to do the work he assigned to his faithful disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

So my guy you didn't get it at all both of them are on the same page!

Nnamdipapa:
I also do not care about the opinions of others, my life decisions are never based on the opinions of other people as these opinions are deeply rooted in unstable emotions that change over time. I do what makes me comfortable and serves my interest for the most part and, have no regrets whatsoever. The easiest way to fail in life is to always pander to the opinions of others. The term " harsh" is just a judgment based solely on your opinion of my actions.

So if you don't care about the feelings of others as long as you please yourself do you think that's fair?

Nnamdipapa:
Christians agree that God is all-present and all-powerful, do you agree or not? I would not want to go into needless arguments on mere semantics.
Is your God all-knowing, powerful, and present?

All powerful YES but all-knowing and all-present is not biblical!

Gabrielshow24:
🤔Hmm, does that mean the Nigerian chief of army is one and the same as the Tinubu?

The scriptures says Archangel Michael leads the heavenly armies of loyal spirit sons of God while Satan leads all rebellious angels {Revelations 12:7} the same Bible says it's the WORD of God {John 1:1} who leads all the armies in heaven to the final battle with blood stains all over his clothes {Revelations 19:13} that's clear enough!

Nnamdipapa:
No, it won't. Then, she should be ready to move in with the young man and raise the baby together. I will never be held responsible for the stupid or illogical decisions of others, even though they may be my children. It is that simple and I don't do emotions or religion. Sorry.

Do you think such harsh decision won't give you a bad name in the minds of your wife and extended family?

Nnamdipapa:
Now, The Christian God is all knowing, Omnipresent and Omnipotent. He is in the future and the past at the same time.
At the time he created Lucifer he knew he was going to rebel and lead people astray, cause so much pain to his creation, why was Lucifer created?

Are we going to blame Satan for being bad or blame a God who knew Lucifer was going to be bad before creation?

Or is the concept of God and Satan a fairytale?

What is your opinion to the above?

Please where is the highlighted found written in the Bible?

Nnamdipapa:
Oh, she would not I promise you!
If she wishes to keep the baby, she must be well off financially to take care of herself and the baby without recourse to help from me plus, I raised a very smart girl who will never opt to raise a child as a single mother. I don't brainwash kids with religion, I train them on how to make good decisions with logic.

And you believe your logic will erase the love a young woman has for her man and her baby shey?

Gabrielshow24:
And to the other fool, I beg to differ🤧,
Chief princes are after all archangels🤨.
Whether they are 1 million or 1 trillion, they've all been mentioned collectively🤨.

OK Archangel is the same as Chief princes yet only one Archangel is heading all the armies in heaven.

Thanks!

Nnamdipapa:
Wrong morally or legally?
Did you factor in whether the said daughter was in love with the man or not?
Having a pregnancy is no big deal to me as I will simply abort it the next day and the girl will continue safely with her studies with valuable lessons learned.

You aren't considering if the young woman may wish to keep her baby!

immaculatesense:
Your first point:
Who guides the Human Shepard? What is the role of the Holy Spirit to individual believers?

To remind me what i have been taught, the scripture, chapter, verse and how i was taught to apply it.

immaculatesense:
Your second point:
Paul did not rely on the other apostle. He only relied in the spirit of God in him. Galatians 2 proved that. Read it yourself.
Galatians 2:6
[6]And the leaders of the church had nothing to add to what I was preaching. (By the way, their reputation as great leaders made no difference to me, for God has no favorites.)

Also, Paul did not seem to agree with some of the decision James made in Acts 15, most especially on food offered to idol because Paul taught the Corinthians otherwise in 1 Corinthians 8. And even James accused Paul of teaching against the resolution in Act 15 in Acts 21:17-25.

All these are irrefutable proofs that the Holy Spirit is the most reliable teacher and guide for all true Christians. Not those who lied against the spirit to distirt the truth of the scriptures anyways, but the true followers.

Please don't lie against the scriptures there is no disagreement among the shepherds regarding doctrine and teaching!

Gabrielshow24:
The absence of others doesn't make your statement true!!!

Appeal to ignorance 🤨.

What you're trying to say is that absence of evidence is evidence that Michael is the only Archangel in heaven.

Which is inherently fallacious after all there are other chief princes(archangels) in the bible👀

So in a nutshell only one Archangel is mentioned throughout the Bible.

Thanks!

Nnamdipapa:
If I understand you correctly, it means as an adult, you don't know what actions affect your neighbors negativity until you take directions from God?
Tell me how that makes any sense?

Do you think it's wrong for a young man to impregnate your daughter (18+) while she is still in school?

Remember both of them are adults yet their actions (which is based on consent) may affect your family negatively!

Gabrielshow24:
other archangels.

How many Archangels is found in the Bible?

immaculatesense:
You only amplified what I said about Acts 15. The only area you should but u don't want to angry is that the Holy Spirit resides in the heart of every true believer and he directs and guides them into all truth. How will even an elder teach the congregation if he himself has not been taught by the spirit? Why will Paul lay claim that he has received his message from no one but from Christ himself through revelation even though he didn't see Christ in his earthly ministry. Galatians 1 proves this that the Holy spirit teaches man without human interference even though fellowship is Key. Or
Maxim, will you interprete Paul's testimony to the Galatians to me in Galatians 1. The whole chapter but let me just drop some verses.

I just helped you to figure out why there is contradictions among you people it's because God's Holy Spirit doesn't TEACH individuals otherwise there's no need for shepherds and teachers in the church teaching their fellow believers!

immaculatesense:
Galatians 1:12,16-19
[12]I received my message from no human source, and no one taught me. Instead, I received it by direct revelation from Jesus Christ.
[16]to reveal his Son to me so that I would proclaim the Good News about Jesus to the Gentiles.When this happened, I did not rush out to consult with any human being.
[17]Nor did I go up to Jerusalem to consult with those who were apostles before I was. Instead, I went away into Arabia, and later I returned to the city of Damascus.
[18]Then three years later I went to Jerusalem to get to know Peter, and I stayed with him for fifteen days.
[19]The only other apostle I met at that time was James, the Lord’s brother.
Thanks

Jesus appointed Paul directly but when it comes to teachings Paul relied on what the Apostles and Older men concluded in Jerusalem! Act 16:3-4

Janosky:
The guy dunce dey form woke.

Bible talked about VOICE that will raise the dead but disobedience made your friend to change the narrative to Chinese fan!