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Steep:
you said nothing survives death yet the breath of life survives death can't you see you are wrong? By the way the word spirit can be interpreted as breath of life or the part of a man capable of understanding and expressing emotion depending on the context.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

AntiChristian:
Jehovah was spreading love by using people to kill people yet when some erroneous Muslims do same you'll call them terrorists! What's the yardstick of your lovely unity?

If Jehovah could kill and commit genocide to unite and spread love back then why and when did He change His ways?

Can't you see the unity in the pillars of Islam and in the worship of Allah?

Steep:
So where does the Bible teach that death means cessation?
Where did God's word say nothing survives death?
The knowledge and wisdom they do not possess is the one that enable them to do work as Ecclesiastes stated.

In fact Ecclesiastes said the spirit returns to God who gave it,

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

According to his verse the spirit does not cease to exist but rather returns to God.

Jesus committed his Spirit to God.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Stephen prayed the Lord Jesus to recieve his spirit.

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

The rich man found himself in hell (God cast him there)

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

After death judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

All these have shown that the Spirit actually survives physical death however the spiritual death is different.

Prosper1912:
That emusan nor get brain.

Steep:
Read according to context, the knowledge and wisdom that Ecclesiastes is talking about is what will enable them do work. It does not say dead people cease to exist.

MaxInDHouse:
How JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES were called in times past:

• Abraham descendants: after establishing the covenant between Him and Abraham servants of God were referred to as Abraham's descendants yet not all Abraham's children are faithful so the history of Abraham's other seven sons was discontinued in the scriptures except Isaac!

• Israelites: after Jacob's descendants became numerous in the land of Egypt they were known as Israelites but not all Jacob's children remain faithful so God's blessings follows only three tribes of Israel namely Judah, Benjamin and Levi known as Jews till today!

• Jews: from the time of Rehoboam the son of Solomon three southern tribes of Israel stood with him because of the promises God made to David regarding the Messiah that he will be born from the lineage of David but not all Jews were faithful so God kept His promises to the house of David until the arrival of the Messiah and after the Christ (Messiah) only few Jews remain faithful to God's promises and they were referred to as those belonging to the WAY because the young man (Jesus) who proved to be the Christ called himself "the WAY"

• Christians: After members of "the WAY" were noticed in an ancient city called Antioch they were called "Christians" and that's the last name faithful people were called along with faithless miscreants till the year 1931 when God through the mouth of one of his servants declared the GROUP name for all His faithful WORSHIPERS right from the time of Abel till today that GROUP NAME is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

So throughout history JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES has been called by different GROUP names each time they gather as an organization but God hid that name from Satan's agents until the year 1931! Isaiah 65:15

But unlike ancient times when Satan's agents often turn God's organization upside down it is now impossible for Satan and his agents so instead of leaving God's organization they keep accusing the same organization claiming it's a cult yet they remain there worshiping with the so called "CULT"


Judgement is coming and Jehovah has recorded the names of all Jehovah's Witnesses right from the time of Abel until the first century! Hebrews 11:4-34; 12:1 compare to Malachi 3:16

Ken4Christ:
Use your brain to interpret what Paul said. Does it mean that the words spoken by Satan written in the Bible were inspired by God?

God personally condemned so many things Job said in his trying moment. Can you then say that it was God who inspired Job to say those things.

You don't interpret scripture in isolation. The scripture inspired by God are those spoken through his prophets and holy men of God. Also those written by his Apostles and Prophets. Just like Peter wrote;

2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

In another place, he said;

2Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour.

Have sense and have peace.

Aemmyjah:
He's mentioning churches he may never have visited before or interacted with their members.
Hotheaded Apostate 😂

AntiChristian:
Did Jehovah unite the people in love in Numbers 31:17-18?
So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man
What about the Amalekites:
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: ‘I witnessed what the Amalekites did to the Israelites when they ambushed them on their way up from Egypt. Now go and attack the Amalekites and devote to destruction all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” 1 Samuel 15:2-3

Zaheertyler:
I did sir

Sand2022:
Yes, they are widely misunderstood by many. Many think they are an occultic society, and some feel they don't believe in Christ. Others say, they don't pray. These are not true.
But their ex members know them well.
You're correct. I praise their effort in preaching. It is true that they get you to do it by demanding that you submit a report, but that isn't a wrong thing naturally. By preaching, I mean door to door that includes most of the members. I say this because the churches do preach as well, but in different styles. But the witnesses are good with door to door.
However, they put in more time to preach, but I must confess, having served as an elder for years there, the churches have more growth than JWs. I mean far more growth.

The next group that tries with the doors/houses are the Mormon missionaries. Assemblies of God do preach, but not as much as these control groups.
That's another plus. Some churches can't disturb sleep for Africa. But that is not a big problem for me. But I wish they time it down.
The LDS church are that civil as well. What you need to realize is that Control Groups have more obedience and control than free churches. Jesus called us to freedom, although some misuse that.
Control Groups are like Banks, while churches are like Govt offices. The former has little liberty assigned to their members, while the latter are more lenient and more considerate.
That is one feature control groups are known for. It is the same in Scientology, LDS, Amish Community etc. Don't compare these groups to Institutions that allows their members to be real in their worship of God.
What the control group have earned as a result is broken families, double-minded members who appear to follow the organization but who work against them. Eg, among JWs are thousands of PIMOs. Whereas in the churches, these people will profess what they truly believe and still allowed to associate with their family members and friends. The method of control groups only produce double-minded members if you ask me.
You speak about the JWs you've been acquainted with. Some witnesses will stay there to give you answers that are not supported by their Organization, in some cases to prove their doctrine right. Of course, you won't know they're doing this.
As for Bible knowledge. I agree, JWs perform well in defending their doctrine than church members I KNOW. Most of what they teach is false, but since the church members they come to know little about their bible, and their pastors perhaps don't even know, the witnesses succeed in deceiving people with falsehood fashioned as if it is true. It is said: in the land of the blind, a one eyed man is a king. That is what happens. Yes, I agree, the witnesses know the biblical basis for their doctrine much more than church goers. It is even recently that I got to truly understand the teaching of Trinity. I will make a post about that in the future. Most people don't really know the meaning of Trinity.
You can go to my profile to see my teachings on some of the doctrines of witnesses. Many of them are outright falsehood.
I disagree with you on this one. JWs have high divorce rate. It became worse that the leadership started producing books, Brochures and videos showing how to be happy in marriage. The JWs do have plenty marital problems. It is not unique to them though, but don't ever think they are better. What you need to know is that control groups operate more in secret than free churches.
Again this is common among control groups.
However, The JWs attend their meetings more than people attend church. Yes, they have a plus there.
This is a huge thumbs up for JWs if you ask me. Many churches are just their for money. They do not commit half of the time JWs commit to ground their members in their doctrine. They are good to invent ways to squeeze cash from their members while their members can't even prove their doctrines scripturally. And their are more scriptures supporting most doctrines of the church, but they don't get into this. It is concerning.
As you say, what they believe is based on what they know. Are they heretics? Yes. They don't follow the true teachings of the church. They are heretics and apostates. Wil God save some there? Very possible, at least some don't know that what they believe is false. More importantly, they believe in Jesus, his resurrection and that he died for our sins. That is a huge path to salvation, especially for those who without fault of their own, do not know that their teachings are false. When I was their mind and soul, I never knew that their teachings were false. I thought it was the truth. So there are many many such persons there.
And I blame the churches for not doing enough to ground their members and protect them from impostors who come to deceive them. This is why I started both in this channel and other channels to scriptural show why JWs are wrong, so that people will be liberated from these falsehood they spread.
Lastly, while control groups are good in control and grounding their members in their doctrines, you should also appreciate the freedom the Lord has offered you in the Churches. Just don't misuse it. Remember, if you were a JWs, you cant write all the things you have written above about another church. If you ever write such and your elders sees you made that post, you will be invited to either delete it or be disciplined. You can also attend their kingdom hall and go free, but you can't attend any other church if you're a full member of JWs. If you do and get caught, they remove you and none of your friends who are JWs will talk to you, unless in the kingdom hall with a half hearted short greeting.
None of the JWs can watch a teaching by any pastor, give his videos a thumbs up, or accept you to come to their own home to preach. Why? The group control system will kick them off if they do.
Now, do you not appreciate the freedom you have in Christ? Is it not sweet to make your opinion known and still get accepted by your church? That is what we're called for, freedom.

Ken4Christ:
You reject the revelation of Jesus and uphold the word of a man spoken in ignorance. Who told you that everything you read in Ecclesiastes is divine revelation from God?

AntiChristian:
Arab man's Book? So make i use English man's book for you as JW has its HQ with the English?
You are getting very old sir!

Love is subjective! What you call love may not be what i call so!
You believe your God sending someone to die is love right?
I believe it is murder and unworthy of someone called God!

Zaheertyler:
Ohh I thought it was by faith and direction by the Holy Spirit for those who are under the mercy of God
If you read and have your own understanding
I read and get my own understanding
We can table them and learn
Some people read a book everyday for one month before they can journal their understanding some it’s for a week some for a day
The most important is that the seeker finds that which he is looking for in the book
How anyone chooses to eat isn’t your business
Are you the person that sent them to eat?
Let the person that sent them there judge them
You focus on yourself

Ken4Christ:
Destruction is in hell and Lake of fire. It doesn't mean cessation of existence. Otherwise the beast and the false prophet cast into the Lake fire in Revelation 19;20 would have ceased to exist. But they were acknowledged to still be there after 1,000 years of Jesus reing. And Satan was also cast in there. I have cited these references to you before but you still held on to the lies established by Russell and Rutherford who are obviously both in hell.

MrPresident1:
In how many years interval is the NWT of JW of American always retranslated?

AntiChristian:
What if I told you they didn't hand it over to me and your vituperations are false?

AntiChristian:
You always tell this lie all the time sir! It's not my parents religion as they don't own it.