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Boomark:
I didn't come here to dey my dey. I will keep pointing out those who believe that it is butterflies and mosquitos that will be thrown in the lake of fire instead of human beings that sinned. Those that think women are not human beings and should not be preached to.

Ok continue barking, sebi na me take you serious like normal person!

MrPresident1:
It is all confusion. How many times have the New World Translation been revised?

Do your own children fully understands the language of your own grandparents?

From the year 1914!

The Bible was originally written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Today it is available in whole or in part in over 3,000 languages. The vast majority of people who read the Bible do not understand the original languages and therefore must rely on a translation. What principles should guide how the Bible is translated, and how did these govern the rendering of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures?
Some might conclude that a strict, word-for-word, interlinear-style translation would enable the reader to get closest to what was expressed in the original languages. However, that is not always the case. Consider a few of the reasons:
No two languages are exactly alike in grammar, vocabulary, and sentence structure. A professor of Hebrew, S. R. Driver, wrote that languages “differ not only in grammar and roots, but also . . . in the manner in which ideas are built up into a sentence.” Different languages require quite different thought patterns. “Consequently,” continues Professor Driver, “the forms taken by the sentence in different languages are not the same.” No modern language exactly mirrors the vocabulary and grammar of Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, so a word-for-word translation of the Bible could be unclear or at times could even convey the wrong meaning. The meaning of a word or an expression may vary depending on the context in which it is used. A translator may be able to mirror the literal rendering of the original language in some passages, but this must be done very carefully. Here are some examples of how word-for-word translation can be misunderstood: The Scriptures use the expressions “sleep” and “fall asleep” to refer both to physical sleep and to the sleep of death. (Matthew 28:13; Acts 7:60) When these expressions are used in contexts that refer to death, Bible translators can use such wording as “fall asleep in death,” which helps the modern reader avoid confusion.—1 Corinthians 7:39; 1 Thessalonians 4:13; 2 Peter 3:4.The apostle Paul used an expression found at Ephesians 4:14 that can be literally translated “in the playing of dice of men.” This ancient idiom alludes to the practice of cheating others when using dice. In most languages, a literal rendering of this allusion makes little sense. Translating this expression as “the trickery of men” is a clearer way to convey the meaning. At Romans 12:11, a Greek expression is used that literally means “to the spirit boiling.” This wording does not convey the intended meaning in English, so it is rendered “aglow with the spirit” in this translation. During his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus used an expression that is often translated “Blessed are the poor in spirit.” (Matthew 5:3, King James Version) But in many languages, a literal rendering of this expression is obscure. In some cases, a strictly literal translation could imply that “the poor in spirit” are mentally unbalanced or lacking in vitality and determination. However, Jesus was here teaching people that their happiness depended, not on satisfying their physical needs, but on recognizing their need for God’s guidance. (Luke 6:20) Thus, such renderings as “those conscious of their spiritual need” or “those who know their need for God” convey more accurately the meaning of the original expression.—Matthew 5:3; The New Testament in Modern English. In many contexts, the Hebrew word translated “jealousy” corresponds to the common meaning of the English word, namely, to feel anger over the apparent unfaithfulness of a close associate or to envy others for their possessions. (Proverbs 6:34; Isaiah 11:13) However, the same Hebrew word also has a positive connotation. For example, it may be used of the “zeal,” or protective ardor, that Jehovah shows for his servants or of his “requiring exclusive devotion.” (Exodus 34:14; 2 Kings 19:31; Ezekiel 5:13; Zechariah 8:2) It may also be used of the “zeal” that his faithful servants have for God and his worship or of their ‘tolerating no rivalry’ toward him.—Psalm 69:9; 119:139; Numbers 25:11.The Hebrew expression that usually refers to the human hand has a wide variety of meanings. Depending on the context, this word may be rendered “authority,” “generosity,” or “power.” (2 Samuel 8:3; 1 Kings 10:13; Proverbs 18:21) In fact, this particular word is translated over 40 different ways in the English edition of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. In view of these factors, Bible translation involves more than simply rendering an original-language word with the same term each time it occurs. A translator must use good judgment in order to select words in the target language that best represent the ideas of the original-language text. In addition, there is a need to structure the sentences in a way that conforms to the rules of grammar of the target language, making the text easy to read. At the same time, extremes in rewording the text must be avoided. A translator who liberally paraphrases the Bible according to how he interprets the overall idea could distort the meaning of the text. How so? The translator may erroneously insert his opinion of what the original text means or may omit important details contained in the original text. So while paraphrases of the Bible may be easy to read, their very freeness at times may prevent the reader from getting the true message of the text. Doctrinal bias can easily color a translator’s work. For example, Matthew 7:13 says: “Spacious is the road leading off into destruction.” Some translators, perhaps affected by doctrinal bias, have used the term “hell” rather than what the Greek term really means, namely, “destruction.” A Bible translator must also consider that the Bible was written using the common, everyday language of average people, such as farmers, shepherds, and fishermen. (Nehemiah 8:8, 12; Acts 4:13) Therefore, a good translation of the Bible makes the message it contains understandable to sincere people, regardless of their background. Clear, common, readily understood expressions are preferred over terms that are rarely used by the average person. Quite a number of Bible translators have taken the unjustifiable liberty of omitting God’s name, Jehovah, from modern translations even though that name is found in ancient Bible manuscripts. (See Appendix A4.) Many translations replace the name with a title, such as “Lord,” and some even obscure the fact that God has a name. For example, in some translations, Jesus’ prayer recorded at John 17:26 reads: “I made you known to them,” and at John 17:6, “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me.” However, a faithful rendering of Jesus’ prayer reads: “I have made your name known to them,” and “I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me.” As stated in the foreword to the original English edition of the New World Translation: “We offer no paraphrase of the Scriptures. Our endeavor all through has been to give as literal a translation as possible, where the modern English idiom allows and where a literal rendition does not for any clumsiness hide the thought.” Thus, the New World Bible Translation Committee has endeavored to strike a balance between using words and phrasing that mirror the original and, at the same time, avoiding wording that reads awkwardly or hides the intended thought. As a result, the Bible can be read with ease and the reader can have full confidence that its inspired message has been transmitted faithfully.—1 Thessalonians 2:13.A reliable translation must: Sanctify God’s name by restoring it to its rightful place in the Scriptures.—Matthew 6:9.Accurately convey the original message that was inspired by God.—2 Timothy 3:16.Translate expressions literally when the wording and structure of the target language allow for such renderings of the original-language text. Communicate the correct sense of a word or a phrase when a literal rendering would distort or obscure the meaning. Use natural, easy-to-understand language that encourages reading.—Nehemiah 8:8, 12

Ken4Christ:
So, you don't believe the very words of Jesus? I can support my point from virtually every book in New Testament but even at then, you will still not believe. You have been so brainwashed never to recognize the truth when you see one. God has given you up to a reprobate mind because you willingly reject the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If it's Jesus what he said in plain language is:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

If you get a million translationse all will reflect the same meaning "destruction" so Jesus never contradicted what God said in the beginning regarding life and death!

AntiChristian:
They were written by those who called themselves Christians and approved by Christians too!

You hate truth but it's just a pity that it's wasted effort always arguing hypocritically in support of a religion simply because it's your parents religion!

AntiChristian:
Where are the paintings, drawings and videos i used? No be Christians shoot themselves in the leg acting Jesus with western actors?
Abeg shift jawe!

Are you sure those were written, produce and directed by the disciples of Jesus?

CanadaOrBust:
Where was he b4 1914?
Who was rulling in heaven b4 1914?

He returned to heaven in the first century and ever since then sat beside God awaiting God's order to start ruling! Psalms 110:1

God has always been the ruler of heaven but from 1914 Jesus was given the authority to start his kingdom which will later be extended to planet earth that's why he drove Satan away from heaven {Revelations 12:7-12 compare to Daniel 12:1-3} that year.

You are welcome!

Wonderful thread!

Great thread!

Jesus has been around since the year 1914!

AntiChristian:
I know the truth!
Abeg no bring divisive lies again here!

If you want to use paintings, drawings and videos to explain who Jesus is then why can't others use videos and paintings to describe Muhammad?

Ken4Christ:
John 3:15-18
15 That WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT.

Don't be a zombie!

You can't use quotations found in a book to verify the authenticity of what is written in the same book.

So wake up from your stupidity the Bible talks about Jesus whom nobody has seen before so instead of quoting the same book think of how to strike a conversation that's meaningful!

Jesus returned in the year 1914!

Wonderful thread!

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GOD knows all things... those who belong to the Lord, truly, by HIS grace - are simply called to be obedient to HIM, HIS most excellent word!

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy." - Isaiah 65:17-18

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain." - Isaiah 66:22

"Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless." - 2 Peter 3:12-14

Where did God purposed for Adam and Eve to live, heaven or earth? Psalms 115:16

Has God changed his purpose for the earth? Psalms 78:69; 104:5; 119:90; Ecclesiastes 1:4 compare to Isaiah 55:10-11

So the New heavens and Earth aren't literal otherwise what has both done to deserve replacement?

How JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES were called in times past:

• Abraham descendants: after establishing the covenant between Him and Abraham servants of God were referred to as Abraham's descendants yet not all Abraham's children are faithful so the history of Abraham's other seven sons was discontinued in the scriptures except Isaac!

• Israelites: after Jacob's descendants became numerous in the land of Egypt they were known as Israelites but not all Jacob's children remain faithful so God's blessings follows only three tribes of Israel namely Judah, Benjamin and Levi known as Jews till today!

• Jews: from the time of Rehoboam the son of Solomon three southern tribes of Israel stood with him because of the promises God made to David regarding the Messiah that he will be born from the lineage of David but not all Jews were faithful so God kept His promises to the house of David until the arrival of the Messiah and after the Christ (Messiah) only few Jews remain faithful to God's promises and they were referred to as those belonging to the WAY because the young man (Jesus) who proved to be the Christ called himself "the WAY"

• Christians: After members of "the WAY" were noticed in an ancient city called Antioch they were called "Christians" and that's the last name faithful people were called along with faithless miscreants till the year 1931 when God through the mouth of one of his servants declared the GROUP name for all His faithful WORSHIPERS right from the time of Abel till today that GROUP NAME is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

So throughout history JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES has been called by different GROUP names each time they gather as an organization but God hid that name from Satan's agents until the year 1931! Isaiah 65:15

But unlike ancient times when Satan's agents often turn God's organization upside down it is now impossible for Satan and his agents so instead of leaving God's organization they keep accusing the same organization claiming it's a cult yet they remain there worshiping with the so called "CULT"


Judgement is coming and Jehovah has recorded the names of all Jehovah's Witnesses right from the time of Abel until the first century! Hebrews 11:4-34; 12:1 compare to Malachi 3:16

Wonder-fool!

1Sharon:
Because you can't change your parents but you can leave your husband.

Exactly!
The contract with parents is temporary but with a spouse is permanent so it's both ways many also can't endure a nagging wife but can tolerate abusive and intolerant mum because they know that after marriage they can go far away from such a mum only to supply her needs from a distance which is not possible with a wife.
So they will take whatever their mum does but they will set boundaries for their wives!

Ken4Christ:
The first step is to receive eternal life. And this life is in Jesus. The invitation to receive eternal or everlasting life is not mysterious. It's as simple as learning ABC. Just believe in your heart that Jesus died for you and confess with your mouth that he is your Lord and Saviour. And you will be saved. You will receive eternal life. But you have rejected this simple message of the scripture. Instead you are following the false teachings of Russell and Rutherford. So, you have decided to abide in spiritual death. The end of people who reject us gospel of our Lord Jesus is hell and Lake of fire.

You need to know what to say before someone is convinced about your Jesus first otherwise each person already has the god his or her parents worship.
That's why your god is lying to deceive you!

AntiChristian:
You didn't watch the gay Jesus and weed smoking Mary on Netflix?
That's about five years ago!

I remembered when i was in my teens we watched a movie about Muhammad but later it was condemned and never to be televised again.

WHY?

Because Islam is about intolerance even your people can't agree among themselves to come up with one story line about Muhammad since criticism right among Muslims will not let it fly.

So instead of picking on anything you see or heard about someone why not do your own personal research in order to know the truth?

God has appointed Jesus to do the judging so we leave judgment in his hands! Psalms 110:1

In the year 1914!

jaephoenix:
Why is it you don't answers questions?
Is that what they taught you?

If you feel someone doesn't understand you is it by force to continue debating with such one even when his comments are annoying to you?

Ọmọ you're just lying to your own soul there's no one begging you for a debate!

Ken4Christ:
My God is only mysterious to carnal people like you. You don't have the capacity to receive spiritual truths because you don't have the Spirit of God.

Good so your god is useless if outsiders can't understand it until they have it's spirit meaning it's the fault of your god if others don't believe it since it's it that determines who believes!

sonmvayina:
It was Enki that was speaking....Not your fairy tale Jesus....
Enki is the god of wisdom
Inanna(Lucifer) is the goddess of wisdom.
They are both Orisha. ...they both represent law and principle.....within creation.
The universe is controlled by laws. Those laws are personified as orishas or god with a small g....
Jesus is a Greek/Roman myth. So stop mixing Babylonian and Greeco/ Roman myth together..

If what i'm quoting belongs to Babylonians then what concerns you with Israelites?
Why not mention Babylonian Prophets but always arguing about Israelite prophets?

Redoil:
Such statement has been made around 2008 or 2009 all the answers give were ridiculed.

The OP is declaring the message of his god (Mammon) through his thought you know his god therefore he is calling the worshipers of his god not faithful people.

Ken4Christ:
Hebrews 1:8-9.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. note

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

The two verses are contradictory meaning the translators committed a blunder.

Verse 8 is wrong if God anointed the son the anointed can't be the same person anointing himself.
Anyway your god is mysterious so you can't expect right thinking individuals to agree with the thoughts of your MYSTERIOUS god.

TenQ:
Sorry: I am speaking of Jesus Christ who died that I may live and not human beings in your headquarters.
The Words of Christ caused you anguish: I understand
SMH!!
It is the same way demons feel about the Words of Christ. Sorry!

Funny churchian!

The word of Christ or the thoughts of your treacherous heart? Jeremiah 17:9

Jesus died for obedient not arrogant self-centered individuals like you that's what the scriptures means at John 3:16.
Jesus commissioned a group to work with him {Matthew 28:20} and taught them:
• What to preach. Matthew 10:7
• How to preach. Matthew 10:11-13
• The manner of approach to preaching. Matthew 10:16
You don't care about either of these three yet claiming Christ died for you.
Instead of discussing with people about what Jesus preached which is the Kingdom of God you focused on another religion always arguing on what is meaningless all the time. Titus 3:9

Ọmọ i've told you if you're not interested in the way Jesus commanded his disciples to go about the work there's no need mentioning me after all you've declared that you have the light so go and make use of your so called "light" while i do what Christ taught his disciples to do in the scriptures! John 15:6

TenQ:
You are angry because of the words of Christ!?

Because of the words of Christ but i'm the one working with an organized group in doing what Christ established whereas you are just doing whatever pleases you claiming you are doing it for Christ.
Do you know what LAWLESSNESS means? Matthew 7:23

TenQ:
Because you never read except what they force-feed you

John 15:1-11: "I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer. Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you. Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love. If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken to you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full."

This is what you saw:
If a man AN ORGANISATION abide not in me, he IT is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;

Mat 5:22:
"But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
Of cause, you don't believe there is any hell fire.
Please, go serve your white masters: your contribution for this month is below target and you haven't sold the number of JW magazine you should have this month.
I don't want you to blame TenQ for your failure. Have a nice day!

Continue boasting alone with nothing to show the world!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is that tree planted that's producing the FRUIT of faith that's recorded in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and the person leading them is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} that's why they are representing him as members of the house of faith under the Prince himself! Act 1:8

So stop deceiving yourself MaxInDhouse is not the one who you should look at but the organization of God.

I never engaged you in the first place so there is no reason greeting you!

TenQ:
You got no fruit other than to win proselytes for the JW organization.

Mumu!
According to Jesus' illustration of the tree {John 15:1} is a single person the one producing the fruit or an organization?

Ọmọ i'm not talking about myself but God's organization is the tree producing the fruit that's mentioned in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3 that's why Jesus said the whole world is see the light {Matthew 5:14-16} so it's not MaxInDhouse but the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!