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MightySparrow:
The apostles prayed over it as if he was there recording the events.

I ignored you because you're just a faithless miscreant!

Can you quote where the Bible said the Apostles prayed over the matter before giving their consent?

There has always been wars between the camp of BELIEVERS and that of ATHEISTS.

So it's necessary to IDENTIFY the two opposite camps.

There are BELIEVERS among those claiming ATHEISTS and 99.9% of those claiming BELIEVERS are ATHEISTS.

MightySparrow:
See mumunity. Jesus didn't give money to Peter to save him from the embarrassment of tax collector? Judas was keeping the bag. Jesus' ministry had money, Judas was the money keeper. How did he ask his disciples to give his congregation food? He could choose not to give money not out of lack but having several ways of solving same problems.

Were those given the money believers who are in need of food, clothing or shelter?

achorladey:
We know you cannot stop peddling madness and insanities packed into your lying and manipulated brains...... Now it wasn't the idea of Jesus' apostles but gesture from new converts. All this to cover your earliest lies and manipulations against the holy spirit and the apostles. Yet we still cannot see the support from the Bible that the new converts were busy eradicating poverty After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly. Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” MaxInDHouse Peter is lying and manipulating the Holy spirit. Correct? Is the Pope, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi God's representative? Madness and insanities peddling peddler. Start another round of lies You go see how your madness from the time I have come to know you on nairaland begins to unravel
Cc: Emusan

As long as they're God's representatives whoever speaks against them is endangering his life that's why it's necessary to IDENTIFY God's representatives not just taking all as God's servants.
Those that spoke against Moses surely had a reason because they can see his flaws but then the true God who wants His worshipers to be ORGANIZED doesn't want a division among His worshipers so speaking against Moses is tantamount to rebellion against the one who appointed him: GOD!

You can't dispute the fact that God's servants in ancient times committed blunders and that God never welcome rebellion against His arrangement!

Supremos:
how's that my business bro

Stop talking in behalf of liars the prince of peace never prayed in support of war because his disciples must preach throughout the earth to make more disciples in every nation so how are they going to engage in wars without killing their fellow believers in Christ?
That's what makes your man a false teacher!

Supremos:
you're being unnecessarily mischievous

I remember how he drank tea with God in his room.

englishmart:
Judging by your analysis, most people are atheists.

According to God's word the difference between a believer and an atheist is not what they claim to be because 99.9% of those claiming they are believers don't even believe God exist but they are saying that in their hearts not verbally:

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good. Psalms 14:1

Note the highlighted.

So YES most people are ATHEISTS because we weren't born with faith it's when we began growing up that few started considering what could be the cause of their existence and after observing creation they found God's imprint {Romans 1:19-20} then they began searching for Him!

FAITH is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

The move to eradicate poverty among believers in the first century wasn't the idea of Jesus' apostles rather it's a kind gesture from new converts who feel like helping their fellow believers {Act 4:32-35} the apostles supposed to have prayed fervently over the matter before giving their consent so that God's Holy Spirit may remind them of how Jesus handled the case of poverty among believers {Act 14:26} but since the idea seems good to them they welcomed it not until the death of a Christian couple that's when they realized that the act was WRONG.

Lesson learned!

God's anointed servants may err in their decision but that doesn't mean they're not God's representatives!

achorladey:
All the help Jesus did in the scriptures were done codedly

Quote anywhere Jesus gave someone money as HELP!

Explore2xmore:
Arguing? Who or what is arguing with you? Is your way of life not personally yours or are you a trail follower?

If your way of life is PERSONALLY yours then all holy books are not needed you should be the one determining everything without consulting some books called "holy" written by others!

If each person is given the opportunity to talk about his choice of religion everyone will surely have something to say but then there is a way to distinguish true religion out of all the existing religions we have around today!

This is about God /Gods /Goddess /Goddesses therefore to identify true religion we need to talk about the God behind such a religion. There's no point whether the God in question is of the ancient Americans, Australians, Asians, Africans or Europeans what matters most is the ability of such a God not the claims from the adherents.

Jupiter, Zeus, Ra, Allah, Yhwh (Jehovah), Eledumare and so on are names we have heard from people living in different geographical locations all claiming their God is this and that.

Since we weren't present when what they are saying about their Gods happened it's unwise to rely solely on what they say so the wise step to take is put all the Gods to test.

We've seen magic in the past and worshipers of all these Gods can perform signs (either called miracles or magic) so that won't solve the puzzle.

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING and for someone to be supreme such a person must be capable of maintaining orderliness in his or her domain.

All the Gods have failed to maintain peace on this planet so we can conclude that it's because they're contradicting themselves that's why the earth has not known peace through the worship of multiple Gods but what about the adherents of each God is it possible for any of the Gods to maintain peace among his or her worshipers?
Note that SUPREME connotes ability to resolve issues without violence among those involved otherwise there is no reason to claim anyone is supreme if we just have to continue fighting and killing one another after discovering new techniques or destructive devices, we should all agree on someone whose authority is above all so that his or her words will be taken as final.
So if different religions can't agree on this what about each religion?
Is it possible for us to surrender before the one we call GOD and rely solely on his or her final say?
I found something really interesting in a book (Bible) despite the fact that the world is full of people worshiping different Gods a God claimed that at a point in time people from all the earth will start to reason with themselves over what is written regarding Him:

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

We can say there is no religion that failed in this regard because people from different parts of the earth today worship one God or another that's not of their ancestors so all the Gods can claim they have fulfilled this.

Isaiah 2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

This is a crucial one because the place mentioned in this prophecy today is a center of different religious sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so even though they are all fighting to keep this location in order to prove they're fulfilling this prophecy it's obvious that there is no unified thought on what any God said in Jerusalem today.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

With this it's clear that the God in question wants all His worshipers to be united as one big and happy family {John 17:22} so that LOVE which is God's predominant quality {1John 4:8} can reign among them {John 13:34-35} and the PEACE from God could be their watchword {John 14:27} this will serve as evidence that the PRINCE of PEACE {Isaiah 9:6} is their coordinator and that they are his true disciples! Act 1:8

Do we have such a religion today?
Forget about whatever anyone preaches or teaches because if they're not able to meet up with this requirement everything they're doing makes no practical sense.

May you have PEACE!

Explore2xmore:
We?

YES! We!
Instead of arguing blindly in support of choices there should be an indisputable identifying mark of true religion for us to connect all honest hearted and sincere people.
Do you know it?

Revelations 6:3-4

Explore2xmore:
I can and will only speak for myself. You cannot simply rely on another to lead you to God. God will stir up this in you hopefully you make the effort for this to be done yourself. I have passed through a point where I sought to research to know God but simply asked God to reveal himself due to uncertainty that the concept of God was man made to control and exploit.

You're just mimicking what all religionists often say to justify their choice of beliefs!

No dedicated religionist will tell you he or she is following others they will tell you they searched for God and he revealed himself to them.

My question still stands:

How can we IDENTIFY the true religion?

Sand2022:
Gal 3:5; 1cor 12:28,29

[1]Therefore, does the one who supplies you the spirit and performs powerful works among you do it because of your works of law or because of your faith in what you heard?

[2]And God has assigned the respective ones in the congregation: first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then powerful works; then gifts of healings; helpful services; abilities to direct; different tongues. 29 Not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform powerful works, do they?

Which between the two accounts specifically mentioned the name of a gentile performing miracles in Jesus name?

Sand2022:
One 1980 article, under the heading " The motivating power of Christ's generosity" says concerning this event:
" Appreciation for Jesus Christ’s generosity promoted a fine spirit of giving among the early Christians. Shortly after the Christian congregation was founded, we are told: “There was not one in need among them; for all those who were possessors of fields or houses would sell them and bring the values of the things sold and they would deposit them at the feet of the apostles. In turn distribution would be made to each one, just as he would have the need.”​—Acts 4:34, 35"
People who were imitating Christ. Someone here is saying they are acting against the teaching of Christ.

We learn everyday so it's good to meditate on whatever we read in the Bible to grasp the whole thing instead of just concluding that those involved did what is right simply because they are ancient faithful servants of God. I'm not disputing their kind gesture and generosity but what i'm saying and will continue saying is that Jesus never taught them to do that, according to Christ Jesus anyone who wants to help a neighbour should do it codedly without letting others know {Matthew 6:3} note that Jesus never for once distribute money even though he has all the power to do so and moreover when one of the apostles suggested that they should sell what was given and give the money to the poor ones among them Jesus said each person can do that on his own! Mark 14:7

Sand2022:
I will start to ignore your post that are nonsensical and that insults the followers of Jesus. You need spiritual help.

It's better you don't even quote or mention me again because i won't stop telling the truth!

achorladey:
That one knows he lies against the holy spirit already. Na to save face remain for am

He knows i have a valid indisputable point on that so your faithlessness is dead on arrival!

Wahala! Wahala!! Wahala!!!

They are all faithless miscreants that's why all of them are fighting and killing themselves! Revelations 6:3-4

Janosky:
Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ the first born of every creature" KJV. Revelation 3:14 Jesus Christ the beginning of the creation by God."
Romans 11:35-36 Jesus Christ came through whom? Emusan LIAR,Continue WAILING

They thought everyone will be carried away with their nuisance on Nairaland!

Sand2022:
This occured during Passover. Many came to Jerusalem from abroad. They perhaps didn't plan to stay long in Jerusalem. Now because of the new religion, which they are now part of, they stayed back. This multitude need to be fed. That necessitated the selling of property to feed them. That they sold properties indicates they were poor people. This is not a poverty alleviation program. It was done to feed these new disciples who stayed over.
You can't blame this program for the death of Annanias.

My guy, it's wrong hiding behind a finger.

When people come together and each sold a property only to gather the money and share equally among themselves it's a poverty alleviation program explain it to anybody that's what they were trying to do against the teachings of Jesus who told them that there will always be poor ones among them!

Sand2022:
God from heaven bore witness through miracles. That's the point.

Among the Israelites only that's what Jesus said! Matthew 15:24

Can you quote a verse where a none Israelites was given miraculous power?

Explore2xmore:
The truth is clearly distinct from falsehood. Once you sincerely seek the almighty he himself will guide you.

That is what all religionists always say!

So are you saying Judaists, Hindus, Buddhists, Traditionalists, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims and all others claiming they know Almighty God know what God requires yet they're all contradicting themselves?

Explore2xmore:
To be obeyed and praised by all he created

There are so many deities all claiming they are God Almighty with contradicting requirements so that mankind is confused regarding what the Almighty God require for real.
So how can we all come to a reasonable agreement on what the Almighty requires from mankind i believe this will help us to know who is the true God!

The true God has never used more than one organization and jw.org is the one and only organization He is using today.
Let any of you who is ready to take up this challenge step forward!

It's not about BELIEVE most people just want what they don't work for so it's when they found out that such doesn't exist they will turn to ATHEISM claiming they've become smarter.

Explore2xmore:
Perharps my statement is unclear. Doing works according to the will of the almighty.
Tell me though what you understand by the former.

Both mean the same to me because the will of someone is what the person is working to achieve.

So what is the will of the Almighty?

Faithless miscreants!

Wahala! Wahala!! Wahala!!!

OK nah!

Sand2022:
Who said he is an elder? An elder and doesn't know their doctrine?

Performing up to standard among true believers!

Ken4Christ:
You like exhibiting your ignorance on every thread instead of learning.

IGNORANCE!

It's OK can you explain what the first three horsemen depicts?