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MightySparrow:
Hahaha, you have come again.
The apostles didn't do exactly as Jesus did. Did Jesus lead a new movement like the apostles? Did the face similar problems of bringing in a group consisting gentile believers?
What is important is the principle not the means. You expect the apostles to be providing cooked food or multiplying bread and fish or should have left welfare out entirely. The apostles should not use their brains to solve problems on hand. Hypocrisy I am talking about. Dó you conduct wedding service in your organization? What is the blueprint for that by Jesus?
You will soon criticize Jesus himself.
In your convention's, your GB gives miracle meals! Lie, hypocrisy, delusion.

You don't understand when something goes wrong but name just one religion PRACTICING what they did today.
That will help you to know that it was a blunder never to be repeated!

I thought this man is the FOUNDER of C.A.C church?

Well i realized he was a false prophet decades after his foundation started having issues over money and those taking the lead in the religion are at war among themselves till today:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit." Matthew 7:15-18

Did this man has supernatural gifts in his time?
YES!
Did he make use of it so that people recognize him?
YES!
What about the fruit of his figurative tree today?
Today the leaders of his established religion are having internal wars among themselves and it's really disheartening today to the extent that Níyì Adédòkun had to sing about the ongoing mayhem in the religion.
Let's just hope they're able to reconcile and start practicing what this man did in his time perhaps that will serve as a sign that the fruit produced is not routine.

Explore2xmore:
You don't see the analogy? What reference did Abraham have besides his thoughts? Do you not have the capacity to reason?

You're the one who hasn't gotten the logic here!
We don't need an ancient Asian man if you say each person should use his or her own reasoning.

The same problem their ancestors had with the young Jewish carpenter in the first century!

It's a pity that misinformed churchgoers don't know what they're doing because Jesus never taught his disciples to worship him rather this is what he said:

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

According to Jesus himself his father is also the father of his disciples and his God is also the God of his disciples. So if anyone is worshiping Jesus let them know today that it's in vain they're doing so because that's not what Jesus taught his disciples! Matthew Matthew 15:8-9

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

jaephoenix:
Never engage MadMax in logic, its not worth the stress

englishmart:
I noticed it. That's why I didn't probe further

This is what my God said about His worshipers:

No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah! Isaiah 54:17

So if you guys want to use subtle means to speak against faith your plans will be shattered that's the heritage of God's people now you can continue intimidating misinformed churchgoers with your hopeless logics!

MightySparrow:
It is a lie. They distributed as they had need.
Acts.4.35 - And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
I still want to ask? Who are this people sharing money? Are you really sure?

You have not answered the question that your faithless friends are dodging.

I said what the apostles did there was WRONG because Jesus never shared money so when people contributed money gotten from what they sold and shared it among themselves to ERADICATE POVERTY AMONG THEMSELVES it was never part of Jesus' teachings.
But if any of you feel what i'm saying is wrong then present just one organization or group of people (religious) that's practicing it today.

If there is any then i will withdraw my statement that the apostles committed a blunder but if you people can't find any group practicing it today then it means i am right 100% because no sane people stops what is good.

Explore2xmore:
The one you refer to here.

So if you want to talk about Abraham then you can't possibly be yourself because you're using the standard set by someone else: Abraham

Myer:
I rest my case.

Oh before i take my leave this is what God's word has to say:

 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.” “I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God" Isaiah 43:10-12

So it's the WITNESSES i'm seeing around me that's EVIDENCE of Jehovah with me, in the absence of the WITNESSES i have no EVIDENCE of Jehovah.

"But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be WITNESSES of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Again it's visible WITNESSES that assures me that Jesus is close by to me! Matthew 18:20

So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us! Hebrews 12:1

Again it's VISIBLE WITNESSES that assures me that i'm one of those worshiping the true God.

So without visible WITNESSES who are ORGANIZED in doing God's will there is no evidence of any God today forget about what you read in books because there is contradictions everywhere!

Commiting blunders is man's doing but to let go and forgive is God's doing so because Jesus COMMANDED i will forgive them all. Matthew 6:14-15
My prayer is to see us all again in Paradise where the thief will shed tears of joy while pleading at the feet of those he harmed when he was still in the world! Luke 23:43
It will be the happiest moment when we will all reunite in God's kingdom when all evildoers are gone forever {Psalms 37:9-11} in fact we'll be laughing whenever we remember all the nonsense and Ingredients sin caused.
But will you be there?
Of course you will if you FORGIVE men their trespasses!

Some religionists decided to eradicate poverty among them and it backfired so they stopped it for good.
Now someone is telling you guys that it was an error and you're crying as if i took away your bread.
Oya nah present, point, say, mention, talk about just a single group throughout the world today that's practicing this act of GENEROSITY!

Myer:
I've told you where you err.
You seem to have idolised JW org.
It is clear to see that you evangelise JW far more than you evangelise Jehovah and Jesus Christ. Until you leave Jw for atleast a year and fellowship else where, you may not understand what every one seems to be seeing except you.

Without jw.org there's no Jehovah or Jesus anywhere!

Emusan:
Jesus taught GENEROSITY, true of false?
Watchtower also said what the Apostles did was an act of generosity, true or false?
You lied that the teaching of Watchtower that says the act of the Apostles was on generosity, I asked you to provide the evidence to support your claim, true or false? Did you provide any article from Watchtower till now? No! Provide the Bible verse. And I said it's not EVIL but Generosity as Jesus taught. Watchtower also said it's Generosity as Jesus taught. If you claimed Watchtower has changed this teaching, I said provide where Watchtower ever taught what you claimed. Misinformed hallgoer miscreant full of lies

Ntor!
Not even a single group is practicing it today!

Emusan:
Is it your argument?
Rather when Maximus talks, it full of lies.
I've said what the Apostles did was generosity agreed by Watchtower, So show us who ever says what the Apostles did was EVIL as you claimed. So, you can see, we not only refuted your lies but also supported our point with fact. And I said you lied against Jesus and His Apostles. Jesus taught the act of GENEROSITY and the Apostles followed it. To say what they did was EVIL is from pet of hell where your father the Devil belongs. We're doing good as our Lord and Saviour Jesus asked us to do. Why is the EVIL the Apostles did according to you was said it's what Jehovah demands from you people according to Watchtower? Opuro Oniro oshi

Enough of this STORY!
Just present a religion who are PRACTICING it in Jesus name today!

Emusan:
Liar!
Now, it's generosity MISPLACED.
Let's put it the way, you said it.
PURE EVIL misplaced

You guys only argue but when Maximus talks it pains you guys to the marrow because you find it really difficult to refute my point even though you're really really disturbed.

Ọmọ i said what happened there was EVIL but you want to say it's GOOD there is no need to continue arguing blindly over it just present a congregation of worshipers practicing it today.

Àbí you people are tired of what is GOOD?

OK!

Emusan:
You said it's EVIL
But again here is what your organisation says about their act of GENEROSITY.

EVIL when doing it in the congregation of God where God's Son never taught them to do so that's tantamount to trying to do what is good but not as Christ Jesus laid it down.

For instance when someone is preaching to a person for the first time and began with prayer it's an act of kindness out there but in Christianity it's EVIL because Jesus never taught us that way.

So learn to know the difference if what the apostles did was good according to what God's Son laid down why can't you find just one single group practicing it today?

That's what i mean when i say it's EVIL!

I'm only here for Myer and i know that when he is fed up with my comments he will ask me to take my leave and i won't hesitate a second to gi-ra-ra-hi!

Emusan:
@color - what they did is an act of generosity.
Even your organisation agreed with this of which you goes against and till now you haven't provided the new teaching of your organisation that says what the Apostles did was EVIL I'm waiting for the new teaching sha

Generosity misplaced!

achorladey:
for by your(MaxInDHouse) words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned.”
You started with.....
you came back with
Then added.....
The madness and insanities peddling that binds your religious leaders and those you now call servants of Baal is what you admitted earlier when you stated.....
Let me rephrase
Ikiri were ti poju lo ri e

You're not blind when i said it's necessary to IDENTIFY God's representatives.
I don't recognize your Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Oyakilome and others as representatives of my own God it's you who brought them up here so stick to whatever they teach you as for me only the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are representatives of my own God.
If you like go and hug a transformer!

achorladey:
All your madness and insanities peddling will not change the fact that you lied against the holy spirit and the apostles then the new converts. Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also. A. Peter is a liar against holy spirit B. MaxInDHouse is the liar and can keep peddling his madness and insanities about poverty eradication Respond to concocted illustrations that has nothing to do with the scripture under consideration. Direct it to your fellow brothers in Jehovah peddling madness and insanities about poverty eradication Based on the lies, speculations, assumptions and manipulations of the scripture packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains by your GODS housed in USA.

Your annoyance on this can never change the fact that what the apostles did in that act was WRONG because they are not supposed to try alleviation of poverty among believers Jesus never did that neither did he teach them to do so!

MightySparrow:
1. Who are those that share money?
2. How did Peter and the apostles sustain
themselves in ministry?
3. You criticize leaders of churches today, how they rob people.
Are you very sure you know how they run their ministries?

No diversion technique!
The apostles stool before converts who sold a number of properties and deposited the money on their feet then shared the money equally among the attendees.
Is that a poverty alleviation program or not?

Explore2xmore:
Although books can provide valuable insights and perspectives on faith, they are merely tools that can assist in the exploration and development of one's beliefs.

Ultimately, the true essence of faith lies within the individual, and it is through the active engagement with the world, both within and beyond the covers of a book, that one can truly derive and nurture their faith.

Faith has long been considered a deeply personal and subjective experience that can be derived from various sources.

Is your faith derived from copying another's concept or through personal introspection? Did your forefather Abraham; assuming you have a shred of belief you descended from him, derive faith from reading pages or between covers of a book?

Who is Abraham?

Myer:
You yourself quoted that it was the people of Antioch that first called them Christians, not the Jews. Acts 11:26
Yes the Jews hate Jesus Christ and his followers.
But they were not the ones that first called them Christians.
Apostle Peter later adopted the name Christian to refer to themselves. 1Peter 4:16

My guy the indigenes of Antioch don't know what CHRIST means so it's Jews living in Antioch that spearheaded the name-calling not the indigenes of Antioch!

Myer:
When they called the early disciples Christians, the bible did not state if it was in mockery or admiration. But it simply means- people who followed Christ and behaved like Christ.

The title "CHRIST" was only respected among the disciples who trusted (believed) in Jesus but on the outside it was a CURSE from the viewpoint of Jews because the Christ they were expecting should deliver them from the hands of their oppressors: Roman Empire

So when they call the disciples "CHRISTIANS" what they meant is people whose life will be meaningless and die miserably like the Jewish man called Christ.

In fact they used to spit on anyone bearing that group name back then but the disciples were ready to suffer it all for the love they had for Jesus! Romans 8:35-39

Well that's the same thing they're doing to his modern day disciples: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

achorladey:
I kmow the madness and insanities peddling no go allow you reason.
You are looking for where Jesus gave people money as evidence yet you cooked poverty alleviation from your lying and manipulated brains against the holy spirit, the apostles and their new converts without evidence

Ọmọ the Holy Spirit will never support what is against God's will.
According to God's Son each person will be given a fair chance so whether you are rich or not you can contribute to the success of God's will but the apostles erred by giving their consent to the gesture of those new converts because it seems good to them whereas Jesus has warmed them that they will always have the poor in their midst! Mark 14:7

If you attend a religious center today and you are asked to sell whatever you own and you did then brought ₦25,000 only to return home with ₦300,000 after the whole program will you miss the meeting of such a gathering again?

I know you won't answer because you're bent on deceiving yourself but that's exactly what the apostles concur to which is unscriptural from the viewpoint of Jehovah and Jesus.

It's when God's kingdom comes that we will all be equal in wealth so go and tell all your friends that Max is here to TEACH you faithless miscreants what was wrong in that act!

achorladey:
lies and manipulations upon lies and manipulations

All your Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Kumuyi, Oyakilome and co are Baal prophets to me so when i talk about God's representatives know that these faithless prophets of Baal aren't in the picture.
You can have them as servants of your own God!

Myer:
You did not answer my question.
You said you're not a Christian, what do you identify as?

When i told many that the group name has been bastardized most of them will start arguing blindly.

Due to the atrocities committed in the name of CHRISTIANITY most religionists don't want to be identified as Christians anymore yet they want to claim they believe in Christ.

Well that group name "CHRISTIANS" wasn't God's choice it was used as to vilify the disciples in a city called Antioch {Act 11:26} but the disciples welcomed the new development since they're ready to suffer humiliation for the love of their Master! Matthew 10:33

Jehovah foresaw this long ago that's why He said about Satan and his agents:

You will leave behind a name (CHRISTIANS) that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death (all enemies of Christ including those calling him Lord but not practicing what he taught) But his own servants he will call by another name (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) Isaiah 65:15

englishmart:
And you saying those alleged miracles are impossible?

At this point you need to know the difference between MIRACLE and MAGIC!

MIRACLE: God's act of intervention when His worshipers have done all they can possibly do but they exhausted all they had so God will step in with the unbelievable.


MAGIC: Tricks to entertain audience which is of no relevance as they don't really need it.

So what effort has those in the so called miracles applied for God to intervene in their behalf?

MightySparrow:
Again, believers would pray, among brethren, they will help themselves: Matthew 25 . Do you remember the good deeds of Dorcas?
No only that what of Ruth in Obed's farm and Jesus disciples picking ears of corn to eat. Jesus had farm? All these knew the disciples and brought to early church.
You know when hypocrisy comes in. You criticize good works. Ministry having school. Elijah had. As at the time no secular school in Israel. Check my signature.

And you stylishly dodge the question!

So here is it again:

Were Peter and the apostles in need of money for personal use like those who shared money to be taken home for their needs?

achorladey:
Peter na unbeliever when Jesus give am money na. You no read am for your Bible

I think MightySparrow got the message!

Jesus never gave Peter money rather he told him how to get it and the money wasn't meant for Peter's personal needs so the two events aren't compatible, one was done to pay for the temple tax which those officiating in the temple imposed on all it's users while the other was to ERADICATE POVERTY AMONG THE BELIEVERS!

englishmart:
Are you Jehovah witness?

YES i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

achorladey:
So you know they are God's representative

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni, the one and only representatives of my own God today are the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses!