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22jumpstreet1:
there are billions of people obeying the Torah round the world. we don't need to be a member of a cult like JW.

LIAR!
The purpose of laws/rules/commandments is to cohabit peacefully as all adherents stick to what the law says.
So present the global family that's peacefully doing what your Torah says to avoid wars among themselves! Isaiah 2:2-4

Of course you've been blinded by Jewish CULTS lying to you that they're following some Torah when they can't stop killing one another yet claiming they have laws guiding them!

cornelboy:
Easy bro

Most people don't really understand how terrorism erupts due to intolerance!

Whatever i believe from the viewpoint of a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Traditionalist, a Judaist, an Hindu, an atheist, an agnostic and so on is a LIE.
So how do we strike a balance?
If i say anything about my faith and you feel it's not true then politely you can ship in what you know and if both of us agree then we will decide to hold on to the same line of thought but if not then each person will peacefully go our separate ways.
The spirit of terrorism is awakened by intolerance that's why Jesus commanded us to be cautious as serpents and harmless as doves {Matthew 10:16} if we present our beliefs and the other person feels it's rubbish then we are to take our leave peacefully without getting on the nerves of such a person but then such a person shouldn't expect us to have any sacred service with him or her let them worship their God while we worship our God.

That's why i love JEHOVAH'S way of handling matters it's just the best way: the way of Holiness!

advocatejare:
You lied that Jesus founded the religion of Jehovah’s Witness Organization.
Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus found a religion
Show where the name of the religion Jesus founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible
You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

LIES or TRUTH below is your own rule:

advocatejare:
What I do with my time and data is non of your business. If you’re not happy with my posts avoid my threads and posts.

So whatever i believe is none of your business as long as you don't want others to question or advice you on your beliefs! Matthew 7:12

advocatejare:
What I do with my time and data is non of your business. If you’re not happy with my posts avoid my threads and posts.

Exactly what you told me sometime ago and i adhere to it strictly by staying far away from your posts. I only responded to my friend zoer not you.
So why not live by your own rules staying away from mentioning others since they don't mention you? Matthew 7:12

advocatejare:
You lied that Jesus founded the religion of Jehovah’s Witness Organization.
Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus found a religion
Show where the name of the religion Jesus founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible
You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

Ọmọ keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

EngrJAO:
Ok sir, thanks for the enlightenment.

We are humans learning from one another so thanks too for the interchange of enlightenment!

FRANCISTOWN:
I don't believe in the Bible, I don't give a Bleep who Abraham is and I couldn't care less about a God. I'm ait

Good if you don't believe in any God then you are here doing what?

OK i guess as much, you're trying to find out through arguing whether you should have a rethink shey?

advocatejare:
You lied that Jesus founded the religion of Jehovah’s Witness Organization.
Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus found a religion
Show where the name of the religion Jesus founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible
You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

You have entered the reboot mode again Shey?

Ọmọ keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

EngrJAO:
I'm no Police Mr Max.

You don't understand idioms jọọ, i never meant you're a police officer.
And as for whatever you believe that's your own cup of coffee everyone has the right to choose so i'm not judging anyone here.

jaephoenix:
Actually, omni as a word isn't in the Bible. Whats in the bible is all knowing/loving/powerful.

Did God Himself said these things or his servants?

That's what you're missing because the all knowing/loving/powerful is within what they know not what God said about Himself.

I have quoted what God Himself said but you keep dodging the fact so continue crying for all i care!

cornelboy:
One fact is that real Christianity was lost and people were following human dogmas instead of the Bible's undiluted truth, the JW started restoring the truth from the ruins and now we have something perfect. It couldn't be better at first. That's a simple logic.
The light keeps shining brighter.
Thanks to Jehovah.

My promise to all sincere and honest hearted followers of this thread:

MaxInDHouse:
I will TEACH all of them who truly is the founder of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION!
This is the thread that will expose all the founders of their sects because i will show them how real founders of religions have strong influence on the teachings and beliefs of such religion even after the demise of their founder!

And after all the agitation of advocatejare he can't prove that Russell founded the global group called Jehovah's Witnesses.
That's what i promised him before he started this particular thread.

Even though faithless miscreants are spreading lies against God's people the fact still remains that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group fulfilling what God promised will serve as a sign of His presence in the midst of imperfect humans:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4

And there's nowhere in the whole scripture where God promised that His worshipers will be perfect humans rather Jesus said they are imperfect humans that he is working on towards God's plan to restore Paradise on the earth! Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32

So if some faithless miscreants are spreading lies as if God's people are the worst group of worshipers let them present a better performing organization that's doing God's will today!

EngrJAO:
Nobody is wretched in my family.
You really need to go see a therapist, I know Nigeria is not easy for you at the moment but you don't necessarily need to carry the whole frustration with you always.
Close your eyes let me pray for you: Father Lord I commit this my brother into your hands, help him to overcome bitterness and experience joy. IJN. Amen.
Go in peace my brother
May God help you but you have to help yourself first.

Ọlọ́pàá èwo ni t'èpè?
Even though he always call Jesus "Lord! Lord!!" I'm 100% certain that he will never welcome your heartfelt prayer with AMEN!

advocatejare:
I won’t allow you to divert:

That's the difference between the spiritual man and the physical man! 1Corinthians 2:14

As a physical man you will always look for physical things that all can read word for word and letter for letter {2Corinthians 3:6} while the spiritual man will be observing what is happening as the Spirit of God is making what was promised come to a reality! Act 17:11

So keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

Sincere and honest hearted followers will read and believe even though faithless miscreants keep throwing tantrums.
So he who has ears let him listen! Matthew 13:9

advocatejare:
But you lied that Jesus founded the religion of Jehovah’/ Witness Organization.


Show where that is written in the Bible that Jesus found a religion


Show where the name of the religion Jesus founded was called Jehovah’s Witness Organization in the Bible


You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

Physical man like you can't grasp the things of the Spirit so even though you see things working out perfectly as foretold in the scriptures you won't accept it {1Corinthians 2:14} i've told you why sacred secrets doesn't appear word for word in the scriptures. Till today the Jews don't agree that Jesus is the promised Messiah.
WHY?
Because the name Isaiah foretold is Emmanuel (not Jesus) but Jesus performed excellently meeting up the requirements as written in the scriptures so after careful observation sincere and honest hearted Jews in the first century said:

“When the Christ comes, he will not perform more signs than this man has done, will he?” John 7:31

Many Jews that listened to Jesus never agreed that John the baptist is the promised Elijah.

WHY?

Because the scriptures never said he will be called John so when Jesus told the Jews that John has fulfilled that role only a few believed and became Jesus' disciples till their death.

So in like manner physical men like you won't accept the fact that it's not about name calling {Matthew 7 21-23} rather it's the exemptional performance that will help faithful people to RECOGNIZE God's organization! Matthew 7:16-18

advocatejare:
Keep lying there, the screenshots below will reveal the liar that you are:

You came on my thread to make a comment, I commended you for the sense in it because one should appreciate someone who is rarely sensible whenever sense finds them.

Commendation for real!

advocatejare:
This is the most sensible thing you have written since I know you on this platform.
Sense is coming to you gradually!

Your problem is that you can't find anyone in that thread to substantiate with scriptures but since such powerful comment came from one of Jehovah's Witnesses you felt like throwing an insult not a commendation!

Myer:
Yes Jehovah is the founder.
But who is the apostle that established the JW organisation?

Jehovah always use an imperfect human as His spokesman whenever the need arises.

We don't attach titles to our names due to the command from the King {Matthew 23:8-10} so the brother who served as an apostle among the 20th century Governing Body of God's organization In the year 1931 is our Christian brother Joseph Rutherford Jehovah used him as His spokesman to tell the whole world the scriptural group name that has been hidden for thousands of years:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

zoer:
MaxINDhouse you should be defending the allegations brought forward by exJW and all the court cases of child sexual molestations .
Your not defending or shying away from it makes it true......

Please do you know any group of imperfect humans among whom sexual immorality doesn't occur?
Even among the first century Christians it was happening! 1Corinthians 5:1

So that shouldn't be anything serious my friend because you and i know for sure that God's organization doesn't translate to perfect people rather it means imperfect but obedient people willing to make amendments therefore it makes no sense raising allegations against imperfect people saying what is common in the world is also happening among them.

What Jesus foretold about his disciples in the endtime should be our main concern, Jesus never said he's gathering perfect followers rather he said he's gathering sinners so as to heal them {Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17} it's after gathering them that the cleansing begins with a gradual process while each of them continue to wash his own robe {Revelations 7:14} they will surely make it to Paradise if they don't give up on themselves! Revelations 7:15

As for exjws i want you to flash back to what happened in the first century:

Jesus was speaking to the Jews and his own disciples were also present that day, what he wanted to tell them is that each Jew who wants to be part of God's Kingdom must assimilate everything he teaches both by words, thoughts and actions so he used an illustration in the presence of his enemies that illustration was misconstrued for CANNIBALISM! John 6:52-65
Now imagine you were present that faithful day as one of Jesus' disciples among the crowd listening while other Jewish Rabbis like Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes were also at the event whispering in the ears of the listeners then suddenly someone said:

"This man is suggesting cannibalism, could this be a prophet from our God?"

At that majority of those standing dispassed (including most of Jesus' disciples)

Please in that scenario what will you do?

Well Jesus also wanted to leave the place but noticed that some are still following him so he turned back and voila!
It's the twelve apostles!

So he asked them:

"are you not leaving with your fellow Jews?"

Then Peter responded:

“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6:68-69

It may interest you that this twelve are the first set of imperfect humans with whom Jesus prayed for the first time ever! John 17:8-9

So my friend if you want to know the truth try to always focus on what is of serious concern {Philippians 4:8} not irrelevant allegations.

Know that there is no group of perfect humans but Jesus has an organization of imperfect humans doing the will of his father in anticipation of God's Kingdom. Matthew 7:21

That's why i often say to all faithless miscreants:

"Before condemning God's organization please present a better performing group that's doing God's will today" Matthew 7:16-18

Zoer my friend.
I want you to know that this thread is the result of my response to your comment on a thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/7815508/muhammad-claimed-only-allah-knows#125365681
After this comment:

MaxInDHouse:
The true God promised to establish His covenant with Abraham and his descendants. Genesis 12:1-3
God specifically told Abraham that the covenant will be established with Isaac (Abraham's second son) not Ishmael! Genesis 17:18-21
There are two covenants to be established the first is with the sons of Jacob which is making them a nation of priests! Exodus 19:5-6
The second covenant to be established with the same nation will open the way for people of other nations to be blessed through the nation of priests. Genesis 12:3
Moses was the messenger of the first covenant that's why God gave him supernatural gifts to perform SIGNS as if he's a God in their midst! Exodus 7:1
Jesus of Nazareth is the messenger of the second covenant {Malachi 3:1} that's why God said he will also act like God in their midst! Isaiah 9:6
This has been foretold long ago when God promised the Israelites that another prophet will rise from among them just like Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18 compare to Act 3:22

In Islam we were made to believe that the prophet that's coming in the manner of Moses is muhammad but if so what is the significance of Muhammad since he's not an Israelite?
What are the miraculous SIGNS to prove that he is the one coming in the manner of Moses?

Well the Jews will prefer anyone that can come in replacement of Jesus because he didn't do what they wanted him to do which is leading them to destroy or intimidate all their enemies {John 6:15} whereas he was preaching love for everyone including enemies! Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28

They conspired against Jesus to have him killed so after centuries of waiting in vain for someone else they spitefully embraced Islam to console themselves but many of them know that Muhammad can't be the messenger that's coming in the manner of Moses!

After the above comment directed to you advocatejare said:

advocatejare:
This is the most sensible thing you have written since I know you on this platform.
Sense is coming to you gradually!

So i made it clear to him that I was speaking not in support of his god but for JEHOVAH my own God

MaxInDHouse:
Because it's in support of what you're trying to say shey?
Well i'm speaking for my own God not yours!

That's what got on his nerves so he started this thread just to argue aimlessly.

So if you want to know anything then you should ask a JW not those who are desperate to malign God's organization.

Aemmyjah:
Really tough
Really tough
Business failed and health issues but we're maintaining our joy. Brothers are there to always encourage
Life's good

When is your regional convention?
Ours is December

My brother it's September but Jehovah will provide.

advocatejare:
Arakunrin answer simple question. Opo oro ko kun agbon
If you said that your organization is a religion founded by Jesus and not Russell, then show us in the Bible where Jesus claimed to have founded a religion called Jehovah’s witness organization!

advocatejare:
You claimed that Jesus bought Watchtower from Russell: how much did Russell sell it to Jesus for, in what currency, cash or transfer, the document signed and who are those that witnessed the transaction, at what date?

Let honest hearted and sincere followers see my posts in order to assimilate at least i have proved that Russell is not the founder of our organization so go and relax!

advocatejare:
At least you have finally agreed that you submitted that JW Organization is a religion and was founded by Jesus.
Now the question you have failed to answer is showing us where in the Bible Jesus claimed to have found a religion, and where such a religion is called JW Organization.
Answer that one

Now it's obvious you've not been reading what i am posting all you're looking for is lapses!

I said:

Jesus is the founder of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION but he must not declare the hidden name!

So if he shouldn't declare the name how can you find it in the Bible?

Is it not by their global performance that honest hearted and sincere observers will RECOGNIZE them? Matthew 5:14-16

Abeg this is not a matter of been arrogant if you feel you're not learning anything there's no need disturbing yourself.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i will continue to tell you whether you like it or not that only Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously doing God's will today!

advocatejare:
That’s the new thing we heard from MaxInDHouse today o

When we talk about what you can see and you find it so difficult to assimilate how can you grasp what is not visible? John 3:12

Jesus told his Jewish listeners that Elijah has come but do they believe? Matthew 11:13-15

NO!

But his faithful disciples grasp that John the baptist who fulfilled that role must be the Elijah who is to come! Matthew 17:12-13

So if Charles Taze Russell founded Watchtower (a publishing company) and later it became the publishing press of the world's most peaceful organization as promised by JEHOVAH {Isaiah 2:4} and this group said Jesus the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} returned invisibly in 1914.

Use your brain nah!

How possible is it that people from different geographical locations on this planet could come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as it's prophesied in the Bible if not that Jesus the Prince of Peace is working with them? Matthew 28:20

Though it's not by force {Matthew 10:16} so let him who has ears listen! Matthew 13:43

advocatejare:
Stop crying, I’ve exposed and quoted you where you made your claims that JW organization is a religion and at another place you said it was founded by Jesus of Nazareth. I know you will disown your own words like you did the Russell the founder of your group, you can even disown your parents to paint your cult good.
The reason I quoted you is for the readers to see how unstable you are

Your problem is low IQ!

So for the benefit of interested followers i will enlighten you.

Jesus is the founder of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION but he must not declare the hidden name because Satan's agents like you planted among those claiming followers of Christ {Matthew 13:25} will steal the name and it won't sound unique anymore.
So Jesus allowed both his true disciples and Satan's agents to continue bearing the borrowed name "CHRISTIANS" for centuries until the end time when his angels started separating the fine seeds from the weeds {Matthew 13:30} and when his father JEHOVAH is satisfied that His worshipers has been well ORGANIZED so that Satan's agents like you can't pollute it anymore but take their leave out of the way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} the true God began calling us by the hidden name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So Jesus knew all along but must not reveal it for security reasons! John 16:12-13

Do you now see how you've been confusing yourself?

I Maximus can never tell you that Jesus name his group because it's a sacred secret hidden from faithless miscreants like you.

So continue bearing the borrowed name our brothers got from the mouth of the inhabitants of Antioch {Act 11:23} but know today that the group name "CHRISTIANS" was borrowed for a reason the real name our God gave all His worshipers from Abel till today is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Hebrews 12:1 compare to Isaiah 43:10

advocatejare:
The highlighted is where you said that Jesus of Nazareth is the founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization and not Russel

Good!
So where did i say he named his group?

That's the point of emphasis here o!

When you guys see Jehovah's Witnesses please try to respect us because we are far much more intelligent and wiser than your pastors!

advocatejare typed:

advocatejare:
It’s your brother MaxInDHouse that said that Jesus founded a religion and named it Jehovah’s Witnesses,

But when i asked him to QUOTE where i said it he typed:

advocatejare:
"Show us in the Bible where Jesus claimed to have founded a religion called Jehovah’s witness organization!

Abeg is this guy still in his right senses?

How can you lie against someone and when asked to prove it you're demanding he say what you typed as lies against him?

advocatejare:
Did you claim that Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization is a religion or not?

Did you say that Jesus is the founder or not?

If you said that your organization is a religion founded by Jesus and not Russell, then show us in the Bible where Jesus claimed to have founded a religion called Jehovah’s witness organization!

Guy, this is what you typed with your own hands:

advocatejare:
It’s your brother MaxInDHouse that said that Jesus founded a religion and named it Jehovah’s Witnesses,

So quote where i said so first then i will know you're not a nuisance!

Aemmyjah:
He's trying to find relevance
If we ignore him
It's just like his moniker is dormant

You really knows what is affecting them!

Hmmmmmmm. Their monikers are dormant so to engage someone in a meaningful chat they just have to say something against Jehovah's Witnesses in order to call the attention of their colleagues with dormant monikers!

Aemmyjah:
An ant boasting to his silly self that he's the thorn in the flesh of the Bengal

It's good to give yourself relevance tho when there's none

My brother Aemmyjah, Emusan has been running away from me after lying against me.

Please ask him to quote the person who said this:

Emusan:
Your brother says the name Christian is of Satan, so you're part of Satan plan?

They want to debate with Jehovah's Witnesses the people Jehovah has given the tongue to the taught ones! Isaiah 54:17

22jumpstreet1:
he is as confused as you are..
Islam and Christianity...same shit different toilet.. he has not even proved that Muhammad even existed...

So that takes you back to square one.

You're just running up and down your god has no visible worshipers.

Don't you think you're just worshiping yourself?

Oh! Now i remember you once said you're god having human experience.

Well keep searching for those that will worship you i wish you Jonathan+Goodluck!

advocatejare:
It’s your brother MaxInDHouse that said that Jesus founded a religion and named it Jehovah’s Witnesses,

Can you quote where i said the above?

Now the real LIARS are showing themselves.

Due to desperation Emusan lied against me:

Emusan:
The main point is that you lied that Satan founded Christianity and followers of Jesus aren't supposed to be called Christian.

i asked him to quote where i said it he couldn't and now you again?

Chai.

Well i have promised to tame you guys:

MaxInDHouse:
I will TEACH all of them who truly is the founder of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION!

This is the thread that will expose all the founders of their sects because i will show them how real founders of religions have strong influence on the teachings and beliefs of such religion even after the demise of their founder!

SlaveforChrist:
Don't be so quick to judge, I don't have the cash for a megaphone, I only have for fliers to give to people I preach to my budget is tight.

If you can buy the megaphone for me and waybill it to Benin I would be glad and it would save me extra cost and time. I would rather the megaphone than cash even

OK you don't get my message so forget it!