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preciousee17:
Revisit that post and think of this: your reply hasn't corresponded well.
I just said that a faulty root brings up mutilated fruits and you're still saying we should hold on to the fruit? Instead of checking the root first? SMH. I'm done sha. I sit back to watch what's flying around. (I actually need to prepare to tomorrow)



You've not answered my question. Don't be like the people you so accused because they refused to deliver the names of their churches.

Two people regularly organize charity.
Mr A: Does it while announcing that Satan is Lord
Mr B: Does it while announcing that Jesus is Lord.
Who do you think people should rather follow.
Again please be straightforward in answering this, no need for diversions.

preciousee17:
Honestly, this question, we both know the answer. I'm still emphasizing that what you preach comes first. (By the way, a few churches that I know, I can vouch for them that they don't twist anything. Nothing I've heard about yet).

preciousee17:
No, they had brains to understand.
They knew when God said it figuratively, them understood when Jesus meant it literally.

Read, and interpret John 10:31-42.

Time is almost up.
For a few times now, you had said I shouldn't communicate with you (even though you always end up mentioning me later).
So this should be one of my last messages, hope you don't see it as if I'm running? Not like I would care less.

cornelboy:
Oh yeah.

What I was implying is that she doesn't know the Bible the people on this thread. None of them takes religion seriously and they are always out slandering other's religion.

preciousee17:
These are the kind of things I was waiting to hear — that you're more focused on obeying what the leaders say, than what is logical in a given setting.

preciousee17:
Sorry, but now it's not the time to victimize me. I'm leaving by 9:30 anyways so let me drop all I can till then.

Now, Jesus said many things.
1. By their fruits you shall know them
2. If the foundation be destroyed, what can the righteous do.

You're emphasizing point 1, I'm emphasizing point 2.
Let me vindicate myself by blending both points:
Isn't the foundation not equal to root of the tree?
Won't an affected foundation bring a mutilated fruit?
Just like I pointed in the example I knew you'd want to avoid

preciousee17:
Remember: you guys are not saying Jesus is Lord either.
See exactly why I made it this obvious, so you'll not skip, I'm not saying the examples represent any one. I'm just trying to avoid confusion by making it clear:

Two people regularly organize charity.
Mr A: Does it while announcing that Satan is Lord
Mr B: Does it while announcing that Jesus is Lord.
Who do you think people should rather follow.
Again please be straightforward in answering this, no need for diversions.

preciousee17:
A good question.
I'm sure you saw my quote where I implied that many men of 'God' need to be attacked as well.Instead of focusing on how many people teach Christ's teachings, I focused on so many that taught and added falseness.
I've seen a whole lot, that's where JW comes in.
Cos I wasn't really interested in learning about every church and classifying them as friend or foe, rather, I was listening and noting falseness wherever I see it, JW isn't special in my list or anything. I've seen worse Churches.

preciousee17:
Honestly, that's what I think you guys are (anyone who preaches and adds jara or removes and twist things up)

preciousee17:
Ehm... It meant Son of God, don't try to force a definition. The Jews had a preconceived definition for 'Messiah' but not for Son of God.
Son of God meant Son of God, hence, God the Son.
That's what they couldn't just accept — that this Son of Joseph is now claiming to be Son of God — claiming to be God (Son of a Lion = Lion, Son of God = God).
So please don't try to force any definition here.
You're partly describing Messiah.

preciousee17:
I didn't say it should be a habit in every church to trust members more than the leaders.
I'm saying that to JW specifically.
Again I ask, Is it the leaders with the sex scandals? And I reply, Hell nah!

preciousee17:
Wait a second. Which one is more important?
The foundation or the building?
Between the words you teach and the character you show (based in the word you teach), which one could be referred to as the foundation and which one should be the main building?
I'd really be happy if you don't divert from this.

preciousee17:
Two people regularly organize charity.
Mr A: Does it while announcing that Satan is Lord
Mr B: Does it while announcing that Jesus is Lord.
Who do you think people should rather follow.
Again please be straightforward in answering this, no need for diversions.

preciousee17:
No I didn't miss anything, I'm not misconstruing.
I noticed the pattern — it noticed it well enough. On different threads.
The irony is that this Man told people to go teach the Gospel. But you just said that I shouldn't be too bothered about your teachings, I should check God's Will.

preciousee17:
No I'm not, don't force it. The first steps are to teach God's Words.
The Great Commission wasn't all about sending out disciples to go and bear fruits based on what they had learnt, it was about sending them to teach God's Words
Chinese monks so happen to live one of the best lives all-round, it doesn't mean that they are 'bearing fruits'

preciousee17:
Nope. They mainly attacked Him because He claimed to be Son of God. And because He taught against them. Check out the last trial where they didn't have substantial proof for all the acclaimed blasphemies.

preciousee17:
You see, it's quite the opposite. I trust you more than your leaders. You mean the ones with sex scandals? Hell nah!

preciousee17:
Okay, but I don't see how it helped. I think it only led to this argument that's leading to no where.
Why do you keep referring to their church as their religion? Is that some silent trolling cos it's pretty obvious now.
By the way, you've failed to comment on your brother using the f-word.

preciousee17:
I see you. I think I related that I'm quite busy... But still around.
Your reply is coming.

cornelboy:
Lol. Will God sentence me to hell for using f word? You're so innocent 🙂

preciousee17:
NO! That's not what I'm referring to at all.
I too boast in God for the things He taught me and I'm able to teach as well (I'm considered a teacher for the younger ones in a certain church)
It's almost normal.
The Pride I'm referring to here us the other foolish one:
1. You boast that JW has large numbers, forgetting that Islams are the fastest growing religion.
2. You boast that your teachings were so true that you were declared am extremist group by Russia, forgetting that China has seen one of the largest Christian persecution in history and they weren't JWs, check how bad theirs was
3. You boast that you preach from door to door of civilized people, forgetting that certain people preach in market places, looking tattered and very inferior
4. You boast that you are the only true Christians, cancelling others, forgetting that Jesus said you shouldn't judge with the eyes.

You know better, just name it, I'm not bothered about you trying to disprove my interpretation of the Bible with your knowledge.
I'm irritated you try to disprove people's interpretations with your actions and statistics.

advocatejare:
MaxInDHouse over to you

MaxInDHouse:
Funny apostate!

Jesus had countless disciples but chose twelve apostles (all males) and none of them is a Samaritan (Northern ten tribes of Israel) rather they were all Jews (Southern three tribes of Israel)
Perhaps you never had that the same Jesus is the real founder of the group.
Ọmọ his own government is not your Democracy o, he chooses capable hands to lead his group.
So if you were alive in the first century and you happen to come from the Samaria you will never follow Jesus, shey?

Well he's still the same person with the known character! Hebrews 13:8

preciousee17:
I'm not even following the thread, I was working, so I only look at my mentions.
What confused me is when you and your bro started trying to attack me.

Yes. I accept.

Here is something I also accept:

The Apostles gave many teachings and was called Christians in the process.
Jesus gave basic teachings for Christianity, so if your religion is not teaching same then know that it's man-made not Jesus' group.

preciousee17:
Your brother just used the f-word and you're asking me obedient to who...

preciousee17:
The big problem, as I said, is Max's pump — his ego — Pride.

preciousee17:
Yh, you've seen I'm not contributing here.
I argue against the message, not the messenger.
These people are arguing against the messenger.

You've diverted from what I said — that you were attacking me for no reason.
You've also diverted from using the name of my Church to make any claim, apparently one of you had asked several times.

descarado:
I left when somebody we went to preach asked why there is no black african among the governing body members in the publication we gave him.

preciousee17:
Someone said JWs are the most obedient...

advocatejare:
This is a jaw-dropping revelation. Thanks for this: MaxInDHouse, Cornelboy, Janosky. What will you say to this?

advocatejare:
MaxInDHouse please come and tell me that this is not true. Thanks Emusan for this exposé

preciousee17:
I understood already.
What I'm concerned about is that you're trying to attack me in anyway — just because I responded to this thread (especially with the name of my Church)

preciousee17:
Y'all are evidently looking for who to attack, both JWs and non...
I'm a He, not She.
I'm here hoping to see some big game
Y'all are refusing to respond appropriately and are blocking further interrogation by requesting our Churches, I come up and ask them to reply their churches so this argument can continue already, and i lead the way. Y'all are trying to attack me?

jaephoenix:
So the dictionary was written by Christians? Lol. Max you should undertake a career in comedy

jaephoenix:
Oh, so its theists that wrote the dictionary? Lol. MadMax you need to take your psychotic drugs. You have lost touch with reality

jaephoenix:
Lol. When you don't even understand what omniscient means, you wanna engage me. Kindergarten grammar is really a problem for you

jaephoenix:
You're not even cohabiting with me, never mind your neighbors. See how you dodged my questions and jumped into cohabitation. Did I tell you I'm homeless?

advocatejare:
It’s a known fact that Charles Taze Russell founded the International Bible Students Association (which his successor later named Jehovah’s Witnesses), Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (1884)
Russel was a wife abuser who subjected his wife to mental torture
He failed in the task of keeping his family together and he and his wife ended up being divorced against the teaching of Jesus Christ.
The same JW people are always claiming to be the only true Christian, a claim MaxInDHouse always make on this forum, yet their founder derailed from the Jesus’ teachings.
MaxInDHouse being ashamed of Russel’s lifestyle, decided to claim that Russel was not the founder of JW just because Joseph Franklin Rutherford who succeeded Russel decided to change the name of their association from International Bible Students Association to Jehovah’s Witnesses.
My questions to MaxInDHouse and other JW members on this forum is :
1. if you found a company and name it ABC and your successor renames it DEF, does that make your successor the founder of the company?
2. What is the stance of your organization on divorce today
3. What is the stance of your organization on subjecting your wives to mental torture like Russell did?
If you claim that Russel is not the founder of your organization: who then is the founder?
MaxInDHouse over to you

MaxInDHouse:
FOUNDER

The word founder means someone who found or established something.
Therefore before we can say someone is the founder of a group their believes and teachings must be established by him or her.

The name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" was FOUNDED 15 years after the death of Russell in line with Isaiah 43:10.

Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching from house to house and door to door just as Jesus of Nazareth commanded his disciples @ Matthew 10:11-13 this Russell never did nor taught all his life.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate birthdays, Christmas and Easter because all these stem from pagan traditions but Russell celebrated all these till his death in 1916.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't attach religious titles like Pastor, Prophet etc to their names but Russell was known as PASTOR Russell until his death.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't use symbols like cross or others in their worship but Russell used the Cross in his time.

From the above analysis it's evident that Charles Taze Russell can't be rightly called the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization.

So who is the founder of this group?

Let's consider what the Bible say first to know the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses then compare to what Jesus of Nazareth taught perhaps there's any correlation because they always claim everything they practice is in accord with Jesus' teachings could it be that Jesus is actually the founder of this group?

To be continued...

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus of Nazareth walked this planet he commissioned a group with the purpose of making disciples of people of all the nations {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} this disciples are supposed to fulfil what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah chapter 2:2-4 repeated at Micah chapter 4:1-3.
According to that prophecy people from all nations throughout the earth will form a global family of peace loving worshipers under one umbrella, they will use what is found in God's word to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, they will divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, they will erase the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons in the hearts of all their members and they will all vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

So with this they will prove to be the subjects who has been COUNSELED under the PRINCE of PEACE {Isaiah 9:6} and due to their LOVE for neighbours {Mark 12:31} and the LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering all sincere observers will know that they're truly the disciples of that first century Jewish young carpenter Jesus who is called CHRIST! John 13:34-35

Jesus of Nazareth said something about his real disciples!
They will not partake in worldly politics {John 17:14} because with politics the LOVE he taught them can't work as they will be divided against themselves {Luke 11:23} and end up becoming instruments in the hands of politicians to kill their neighbours even their fellow believers {Revelations 6:3-4} Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved this throughout the earth among all their members. So if you're hearing of WARS of any kind know that Jesus' disciples are not involved in any way because he commanded them to be cautious as serpents and harmless as doves! Matthew 10:16

Satan wants mankind to be destroyed so he's also working really hard to make sure Jesus' work failed that's why he quickly established his own agents right in the gathering of Jesus' first century disciples {Matthew 13:25} but Jesus promised that both his own disciples and Satan's agents will continue worshiping together until the endtime when he will send out his angels to separate his true disciples from among Satan's agents {Matthew 13:26-30} of course this will lead to troubles because during the separation time the hatred for Jesus' real disciples will become great {John 15:19} Satan will pull all his agents together and despite the contradictions among them they will hate Jesus' disciples with passion {Matthew 24:9} but the whole world will see Jesus' true disciples as if they're standing on mountain top that cannot be hidden! Matthew 5:14-16

With all these it's evident that Charles Taze Russell was one of the workers in Jesus' vineyard so as an imperfect human he can't know all the things the Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus will teach his endtime followers that's why Russell only operates within his own understanding till his death but trust Jesus he keeps adjusting his group so that they keep improving in their understanding of truth {Proverbs 4:18} definitely Charles Taze Russell can't be rightly called the founder of this wonderful group rather they real founder is the person whose words and teachings they're putting to good use: Jesus of Nazareth

After 15 year of consistent adjustment Jesus' father was satisfied with the quick response of this group because by the time Jesus returned to this planet he couldn't find the faith he taught back in the first century {Luke 18:8} so when this group have started fulfilling God's will as recorded in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 Jesus' father began calling them by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

advocatejare:
Done already. You’ve gotten the attention you desire. Be my guest