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Caveatemptor:
Were the gospel writers anonymous or not?

They were known by those handling the writings before they died!

Caveatemptor:
Did they write the gospels in Greek or in Aramaic?

Greek!

Caveatemptor:
Did the church elders fraudulently name these anonymous books after Mark,Luke, Matthew and John knowing these were not the real names of the authors?

NO! They found the names through the scrolls as signed by each writer because God's law to the Israelites says each witness must come forward with his name. So each gospel writer signed on the records bearing his message!

Caveatemptor:
We're the gospels not written at least 60 years after the crucifixion?

NO! The only writer whose account was written 65 years after Jesus' execution was John the apostle in the year 98c.e.

Caveatemptor:
Were any of these anonymous writers witnesses to the Christ ministry or did they rely on unreliable hear say to write these gospels?

All of them were eyewitnesses of Christ's life and ministry the four of them lived and worked with Jesus as his followers!

Emusan:
But your organisation says Jesus founded Christianity
See receipt below
Always lying for your gods in Warwick.

Please according to what you quoted who are the TRUE CHRISTIANS?

The organization says Jesus is the founder of our group CHRISTIANITY.

But since Satan has planted weeds like you guys using the same tag {Matthew 13:25} JEHOVAH began calling His own worshipers by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

That's how Jesus called out his own disciples out of the confusion you people found yourselves today. Revelations 18:4

Over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming CHRISTIANS. Luke 11:23

GOD forbids such madness!

Caveatemptor:
Mad Max,the fraud on the beat.

You're a real atheist!

Just calling people names simply because they refused to be molded by your thinking but at then you're hypocritically supporting the same people against another adherent of the same book you want to debunk!

Welcome to my world where my name reigns in the brains of those who have stylishly made themselves my fans by maligning my name always!

advocatejare:
Dindinrin MaxInDHouse let me make it simpler for you. You lied that Jesus was the founder of JW religion, just substantiate your claim, simple as ABC

Mention with reference from the Bible the religion that Jesus Christ came to establish on earth and where he called it “Jehovah’s Witnesses “

OLÓDO!

Mention with reference from the Bible the religion that Jesus Christ came to establish on earth and where he called it “CHRISTIANS“

Janosky:
Spot the difference in your 1st screenshot @8:45pm and the 2nd screenshot dressed up with "white colour arc insertion", you posted @ midnight @ about 12:11am.
Then you will understand what I'm talking about.

You eyes (& everyone else) have an arc/curve which every Architect incorporated into the design of amphitheatres everywhere.
If it's eyes of Horus to you, please remove the ones God designed on your eyes & stop DECEIVING YOURSELF

Let them go and speak with Jews and Judaists on the story of Jesus then they will know that they've not heard anything horrible in their life.

Because Jews and Judaists are ready to tell you evil as in horrible horrible things about Jesus, Mary, Mary Magdalene and Jesus' disciples.

When these misinformed churchgoers read only what is in the Bible (written by Jesus' disciples) they will start blowing big grammar.

I'm 100% sure that none of them will like to be called a Christian after listening to what Jews and Judaists have to say about Jesus of Nazareth.

But just as Jesus himself said:

“Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you" Matthew 5:11-12

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

Let them present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES then is the time to talk!

Krisdan:
Nigeria too 🔥 i swear ...na una comment I dey use 5
take hold side

Ọmọ you're in the right place!

We are talking about the word "FOUNDER"

So we're expecting everyone to speak about the founders of their religions but it's just funny that only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have a representative to speak for his faith while all the others are HIDING!

Ojú ti òpùrọ́ olódo kò rí ọ̀rọ̀ sọ mọ́!

Caveatemptor:
None of them wrote in Jesus native tongue which is Aramaic. The gospels were written in GREEK language!

When making research you atheists are driven by your preconceived thought:

"There is no God"

So your IQ is tampered with.

Jesus didn't speak Aramaic rather he spoke the Hebrew language used in writing the first sets of books before the exiled Jews from Babylon returned. It's after they returned from Babylon that most of them began learning the language Moses and other prophets used to write their inspired books.

So by the time Jesus walked the earth it was the Greeks that reigned before the Romans gained dominance so most of the nations around the Mediterranean sea were speaking Greek that's why Jesus' disciples who wanted to spread the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom penned down their messages in the language that's wide spoken by many nations back then.

Later when Rome has gained power they used Latin (their own language) instead of Greek it's another strategy of strengthening themselves as many will be forced to learn the language of their rulers just as you are typing now in English.

So don't allow hearsay to becloud your sense of reasoning the gospel writers weren't the ones who named those books but those they handed over the books knew the one each writer wrote and they penned down their messages in the popular language back in their days: Greek!

@ TenQ
Please stop quoting me, continue with your rat chase after Muslims:
https://www.nairaland.com/7779603/deleted-verse-perfectly-preserved-quran
https://www.nairaland.com/7805486/another-lie-islam-mohammed-sold
https://www.nairaland.com/7751213/wisdom-allahs-law-retribution-bad
https://www.nairaland.com/7774998/where-quran-mohammed-it-permanently
https://www.nairaland.com/7789369/allah-never-commanded-satan-prostrate
https://www.nairaland.com/7649121/did-allah-make-adultery-lawful
https://www.nairaland.com/7753882/why-mohammed-not-muslim-he
https://www.nairaland.com/7741043/scientific-miracles-quran-muslims-finally
https://www.nairaland.com/7659445/quran-cascade-lies-always-fall
https://www.nairaland.com/7703863/proof-allah-killed-muhammad-falsifying
https://www.nairaland.com/7645766/quran-ramadan-challenge-n100000-prize

Instead of thinking about how to preach the GOOD NEWS of God's kingdom you're stupidly chasing after the wind.

How long has this thread been on the forum that none of you paid attention?

But now that Maximus has responded to the OP you've come with your stupidity.

If you don't understand that Joseph was planning to marry and have children then give your own answer i don't need your like or share regarding whatever i type!

advocatejare:
Dindinrin. Mention with reference from the Bible the religion that Jesus Christ came to establish on earth and where he called it “Jehovah’s Witnesses “

That’s your assignment this evening:
Answering format:
1. This is the name of the religion Jesus Christ came to establish on earth………………….. and here is the reference from the Bible…………………..

2. He called it Jehovah’s Witness. Here is the reference from the Bible……………….

So it's you alone that should continue asking questions while i should be the one answering shey?

Ọmọ if you're confident of your faith answer the question:

What is the name of your own religion?

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
The whole world recognized that group name due to God's active force (Holy Spirit) working with us throughout the earth.

So don't be ashamed there are over 41,000 different religions claiming CHRISTIANS with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines that's why the name is no longer unique since those claiming Christians don't have any unique doctrine or teaching unifying them as one! John 17:22

That's why you sound stupid when you can't mention the name of your own religion but hiding under the anonymous "CHRISTIANS"

Meanwhile don't forget that we are also CHRISTIANS just as many different religions are claiming the same and none of them have the same teaching or doctrine with another.

I promised to tame you and all your faithless friends!

Jesus is the promised Messiah (Christ) God told the Israelites through Moses will come as the messenger of the New Covenant {Deuteronomy 18:18} just as Moses was a God in their midst {Exodus 7:1} Jesus will also prove to be a God in their midst {Isaiah 9:6} but there is a huge difference between the two, while Moses is an imperfect descendant of Adam Jesus' existence started long before the creation of all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} that's why the gospel writer John under inspiration said Jesus was with God in the beginning! John 1:2 compare to Proverbs 8:22-31

God promised to solve all the problems facing mankind through the kingship of Jesus Christ {Isaiah 9:6-7} so when Jesus walked the earth he wanted to confirm that he is truly the promised Messiah (Christ/Saviour) that's why he empowered his disciples to go performing the same miracles he was performing using his name! Matthew 10:1

BibleStudyForum:
Please brethren I want to know how https://biblestudyforum.com/threads/how-many-kids-did-mary-jesus-mother-have-after-jesus.22/

Joseph was a young Jewish carpenter planning to start a family with another young Jewish girl so he wish to have his own children before God picked Mary to be the mother of His Son.
Luke 1:34-35
So after Jesus Mary had four boys for Joseph namely:
James, Joseph, Simon, Judas but because girls aren't reckoned with much the gospel writers just said he had sisters. So at least Jesus had six siblings going by two gospel writers! Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3

22jumpstreet1:
if they accept that it was written by anonymous authors...then they might start questioning its authenticity..
they just don't waft their illusion destroyed..

Before speaking against the New Testament why not agree with the atheist on the writers of other books in the Old Testament?

advocatejare:
Dindinrin. Mention with reference from the Bible the religion that Jesus Christ came to establish on earth and where he called it “Jehovah’s Witnesses “

That’s your assignment this evening:
Answering format:
1. This is the name of the religion Jesus Christ came to establish on earth………………….. and here is the reference from the Bible…………………..

2. He called it Jehovah’s Witness. Here is the reference from the Bible……………….

Ọmọ, next time W'OJÚ!

Caveatemptor:
Honestly wallahi, you are a complete fraud!!!

Atheist talking!

Caveatemptor:
I rather enjoyed how you were totally exposed on that thread as a fraud! You were completely thrashed and you were dodging questions in your usual hypocritical way.
When the asked who founded your cult you were turning amala.
Your founder was exposed as a misogynist and a wife abuser,more turning of amala.
Your cult is a paradise for sexual abusers and sexual predators more amala and gbegiri soup. In short Mad max you are a fraud!
Below is the thread for those who haven't seen it.
👇
https://www.nairaland.com/7817790/founder-jehovahs-witnesses-organization

Your crying and wailing really sweet my belle no be small!

Ọmọ continue wailing jàre thousands of Jews in Jerusalem were contradicting my teacher but they all failed to present a practical application of what they're saying.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is performing globally as expected let all your friends in that thread present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Racoon:
Aptly said!

According to Jesus himself you can't have a relationship with him!

He emphasized that it's with his father that all obedient and faithful people can have a relationship {Matthew 6:6} he explained that his father is our father and his God is our God {John 20:17} so what Jesus came to do is gather all faithful humans under one umbrella and lead them to God with whom each of us can build a relationship.

That's why he said:

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

So it's when believers gather for the purpose of doing God's will that Jesus comes into our midst but when it's time to communicate with the spirit realm for individual needs each person (including Jesus) must build a personal relationship with the true God! Luke 6:12

Mysteriousworld:
I didnt say anything different, I have nothing against what you've said, you probably misunderstood what I was saying.
You're right, and doesn't mean sin won't be punished, I understand your point based on the second death.
Christ talks of beginning of sorrows.
Let's call a spade a spade, we know God is loving, but he can be dreadful, his grace shouldn't be taken for granted, the world will see his judgement on earth before he comes.
Notice that Jesus christ himself opened the seals of revelation to allow all those sorrows to be poured on the earth. The devil didn't open the scrolls.
God is loving, but you don't want to try him, let us also preach about the dreadful Jesus Christ of revelation, let's preach the whole truth.

I didn't say you're wrong either!

What i explained is God's plan to restore sanity on this planet.

The Bible book of Revelations was written with lots of symbolic terms, remember Jesus always speak in Parables {Matthew 13:13} so when he revealed what will happen to Apostle John {Revelations 1:1} it wasn't meant to be taken literally as most readers often think.

Let me point out few of the symbolic terms he used:

©Wild Beast: human rulers.
Revelations 17:12 compare to Daniel 7:17

©Dragon/Serpent: Satan
Revelations 12:9 compare to Genesis 3:1-5

©Babylon the Great/ the Prostitute: The world empire of false religions.
Revelations 17:5 compare to Hosea 1:2

©Lake of fire: death without resurrection.
Revelations 20:14 compare to Matthew 10:28

©The Sea: wicked and faithless miscreants.
Revelations 21:1 compare to Isaiah 57:20

But if taken literally someone will have a totally different picture yet the meaning will be completely lost!

Talking about eyewitness of Jesus' execution all the four gospel accounts confirmed that John who was formerly a disciple of John the baptist became the most beloved among Jesus' closest confidants. This writer penned down a scenario that all the others omitted:

According to him when those sent to arrest Jesus got to Gethsemane with clubs, matchetts and swords the fearful appearance caught all the apostles unaware and they became really frightened but Jesus (having forgotten that he's on a death mission) angrily spoke but with a very strange voice that rendered all those evil men dead after regaining his consciousness he spoke with another voice and they all got up again with their weapons {John 18:1-9} with that Peter was confident that they've gotten a leader that's invincible so ready to fight he drew out his own sword and wanted to behead one of the attackers who tried to dodge but the sharp sword got his ear.
Of course Jesus once again healed that and told Peter such is unwarranted! John 18:10-11

Now if not recorded by an eyewitness do you think such could have been written?

Well the truth is that John who wrote that account was right there with the other eleven and very much awake than the rest who were tired and really sleepy. Matthew also recorded something similar at Matthew 26:40-56

These two gospel writers penned down their accounts like real eyewitnesses will do but there is a slight difference in what they wrote yet they both remembered vividly what really happened in their presence unlike the disciple Mark who got most of what happened that night from the things they told him. Mark 14:40-50

So just as i said earlier, during investigations we make sure that when compiling reports about an event our target is not to get witnesses whose narratives will all follow the same pattern that won't give us the clear picture of what really happened but you will notice that the police often catch both eyewitnesses and none eyewitnesses because some eyewitnesses may have left the scene of the event but they must have related the story in the presence of others. So if we're able to get eyewitnesses and some who also heard about the event we will get the clear picture after compilation of everything heard.

That's how professional investigations are carried out not just waiting for those that will come with the same pattern of narratives.

Caveatemptor:
Who is the founder of Jehovah Witness cult?
Go to that thread,your expertise is needed there. You are a fraud !

If Jehovah the true God and Jesus Christ God's son were all fraud to you then who is Maximus that you shouldn't call him a fraud?

Well I have beautifully and competently answered that question so if you're really interested go there and figure out what FOUNDER means and who truthfully is the FOUNDER of the world's most peaceful organization as foretold in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

You be atheist nah, so if you're really sincere go to the thread and figure out the truth!

I have tormented you and your friends enough so go and sleep.
Next time shine your eyes (w'ojú) before trying to engage someone in a conversation.
I am not a Muslim where they will be trading words or insulting you without using the full strength of God's word to expose your stupidity.

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Learn to respect those who knows the scriptures far more than all your misinformed pastors together.

Cheers!

The truth is that there is no other way to preach for Jesus than that!

Before Jesus' time Hebrew prophets do preach in the streets and broadways because the one who sent them is their God and they all know the laws of their God, the only thing they needed is reminders so like usual town-criers the Hebrew prophets go into their streets to speak the words of their God.

But by the time Jesus of Nazareth was setting standards for his own disciples he made them understand that it will no longer be the noise-in-the-streets stuff anymore! Matthew 12:19

WHY?

Because they're to take Jesus' teachings to all the nations throughout the earth {Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} what they're going to say out there is totally strange to those nations and the God sending them differ so instead of shouting and disturbing the neighbourhood with noise they must approach each person one on one, that's what God's Holy Spirit enabled them to achieve at Pentecost as each disciple was speaking with his own listener in the language of his listener! Act 2:1-11

So if anyone is shouting in the bus or streets today tell him or her that she's not doing so for the founder of Christianity Jesus Christ who taught his own disciples never to disturb their neighbours with noise {Matthew 12:19} but to approach each person with the local greetings {Matthew 10:11-13} and presentation that's meaningful to start a conversation! Romans 10:15

You will notice that after giving the JWs your attention they will start visiting frequently to study the Bible with you, that is the command Jesus gave them so they're not just to preach but also to TEACH interested ones all that he commanded! Matthew 28:20

Now this is the secret:

Before Jesus' time God spoke to Israelites using prophets {Hebrews 1:1-2} but after Jesus started his ministry something strange is going on in the realms above!

Anywhere two or three persons are discussing about what Jesus of Nazareth taught so as to apply it practically God will send angels to go and write the names of those involved in this exercise {Malachi 3:16} this is how angels are penning down the names of those to be saved no wonder the last book in the New Testament says some names will not be found in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

So the last book in the Old Testament tells you how angels are penning down people's names {Malachi 3:16} while the last book in the New Testament tells you what those written names signifies! Revelations 20:15

See you there when Jesus begin ruling this planet making it a Paradise! Luke 23:43

TheMadame:
Does the bolded point prove that the writers of the gospels were not anonymous as has been stated by other posters here?
Please post it so everyone can see it. Thanks.

Do you know how to upload pictures from your device and paste here on Nairaland?

I have the screenshot on my device copied from the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

It contains all the 40 writers of the 66 books, where they wrote the books, time they started and time they ended each book.

But Nairaland system isn't responding as it used to be.

Dantedasz:
You are very ignorant and typing rubbish.
The gospel accounts were written by each of those names after them INDEED!

Mr Atheist go and sit down this has nothing to do with your faculty!

Caveatemptor:
You are a fraud!
This was the same kind of lies you were spreading on the founder of Jehovah Witnesses thread yesterday.
I repeat NONE of the canonical gospels was written less than 60 years after the crucifixion and non of them in the Aramaic language of Christ's nativity. All these gospels were written in GREEK language. Non of the gospels were titled, they were ALL anonymously written and the names and titles were added by elders of the early Church for easy identification.
@ the OP,
The reason why the resurrection accounts differ is probably because they were not written by eye Witnesses to Christ's ministry . The accounts were written over 60 years after the crucifixion and as such oral accounts after over 60 years are bound to be distorted!

No be atheist you be?

Even if you have no business with this topic you will chuk mouth just to malign God's word but i have no business with you my interest is the OP!

advocatejare:
Dindinrin. Mention with reference from the Bible the religion that Jesus Christ came to establish on earth and where he called it “Jehovah’s Witnesses “

That’s your assignment this evening:
Answering format:
1. This is the name of the religion Jesus Christ came to establish on earth………………….. and here is the reference from the Bible…………………..

2. He called it Jehovah’s Witness. Here is the reference from the Bible……………….

Ọ̀DẸ̀!
The simplest question my own grandson will answer adequately using the full strength of the Bible!

JEHOVAH is the one who called all His faithful worshipers from Abel till today "WITNESSES" He said:

 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none" Isaiah 43:10

Note WITNESSES (plural) but SERVANT (singular) because the first and foremost WITNESS of our God is Archangel Michael known as Jesus of Nazareth {Revelations 1:5}

Apostle Paul also confirmed that there were many WITNESSES of JEHOVAH who have lived before Christ Jesus walked this planet! Hebrews 11:4-32; 12:1

The purpose of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is to do the will of our God globally {Matthew 7:21} which is forming a global family of peace loving worshipers where nations will no longer lift up weapons against nations {Isaiah 2:2-4} as we continue to make disciples {Act 1:8} for the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} teaching them all that our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 28:19-20} regarding love for neighbours {Mark 12:31} love for fellow disciples {John 13:34-35} and even love for those who have made themselves like our enemies! Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28

That's the FRUIT of true FAITH that no other religion can produce except the true religion! Matthew 7:16-18

Oya what's the name of your own religion?
Use the scriptures to show me where it is found and what you people are doing as the will of your God?

Thanks in advance!

sonmvayina:
Yo guide people yo make better choices..
And for men yo live in peace ...

That's exactly what we are doing as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

So any further need for commandments?

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn!

Before the commandments there were faithful servants of God like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job and many more. Are you saying they're doomed for not knowing your hopeless Torah?

Faith comes first so faith has triumphed above any law! Galatians 5:22-23

advocatejare:
Every Christian who accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God who came to the world to die for the sin of mankind and to restore the relationship between God and mankind and not those who see Jesus as angel Michael, not the demonic cult of JW notorious for twisting the Bible and referring to Jesus as angel Michael. I am a worshipper of Yahweh the true God who doesn’t cause confusion. You and your other JW cult members are worshippers of your fictional “Jehovah” who is notorious for inspiring your leaders with false prophecies

So the worshipers of your Yahweh don't have unique works of faith {James 2:18-26} to stand out like God's word foretold shey? Matthew 5:14-16

Ó mà ṣeo!

Ọmọ cover your face in shame. Because the whole world know that there is no unique religion called "CHRISTIANS" rather what you guys have are countless sects with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings in a sinking vessel. Revelations 17:5
That's why you guys are so ashamed to mention names because everyone knows you're all lying and deceiving yourselves! Luke 11:23

WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

The warrior locusts conquering throughout the earth {Revelations 9:7-11} we will continue to sting all LIARS!

TheMadame:
I read,observed and asked questions of those who are more enlightened than me. You are not forced to respond if you do not know the answers to the question of why the resurrection stories in the gospels differ.

I've been trying to share something with you but i don't know why the system has refused to submit the screenshot.

It shows the actual name, date and venue where each writer penned down his account.

The truth is that they were unable to write any of these things when they were still in Jerusalem as Jesus commanded them to stay until they're able to see the fulfilment of his prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem.
So after Jerusalem was destroyed they were able to pen down all what Jesus did in their presence and other activities they got info from those present at the events.

Matthew written by Matthew in the year 41.ce in Samaria (Northern Israel)

Mark written by Mark in the year 60-65 .ce in Rome

Luke written by Luke in the year 56-58 .ce in Caesarea

John written by John in the year 98 .ce around Ephesus

Act of Apostles written by Luke in the year 61.ce in Rome.

All of them wrote their accounts in Greek language but not the main Greek language rather pidgin Greek which was commonly spoken among elites and illiterates back then just like pidgin English today that most people can understand even if they're not able to read.

WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

The one and only mountain standing tall above all others {Isaiah 2:2} Jesus said we are the city situated on the highest mountain that all of you can't say you're not seeing it! Matthew 5:14-16

Shame on all of you!

Apart from preciousee17 who was bold enough to mention the name of his religion all of you are HIDING behind anonymous religions just as Jesus foretold that you will be ashamed so instead of standing out you will say to the mountains "fall over and hide us" Luke 23:30; Revelations 6:16; Hosea 10:8

WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 43:10

Caveatemptor:
None of the gospels was written less than 60 years after the crucifixion.

Ọmọ why not calm down and learn?

If people tell stories of what happened does it mean they have to relate it immediately as it's happening?

Of course all of them wrote their stories after the destruction of Jerusalem which happened around 66 ce. What most critics like you failed to realize is that 66 ce doesn't translate to 66 years after the events rather subtract the years Jesus spent on the planet which is 33 out of 66 which gives you 33 years after Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension.

So they wrote their accounts many years after Jesus has left when they've scattered far away from Jerusalem.

advocatejare:
I hear you, your Jehovah told Russel to leave the Adventist movement after their failed prophecy only for Russel to establish another movement notorious for numerous failed prophecies under the inspiration of the same “Jehovah”

Definitely Yahweh the God of Israel is not the same as Jehovah of your cult notorious for inspiring your cult leaders for their numerous failed prophecies.

I pray that you’ll meet the true and the only Yahweh!

Just do me a favour:

Present the worshipers of your Yahweh!