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jaephoenix:
Whenever you catch out Max in a debate, this is his mantra. And he loves it. Even though its false and a lie, its not his problem

Guy see those having your mindset to kill and get killed due to disparities then compare to those who have vowed never to participate in killing due to disparities!

I believe those amputees have gained a lot fighting against those with whom they supposed to settle matters amicably!

jaephoenix:
If hiding the impunities and atrocities of your fellow Witnesses qualifies as peace loving, then lemme have war! I hate hypocrisy!

Go and kill or get killed we will settle our disparities peacefully!

jaephoenix:
Lol. This makes my day. Again lol.
I would have stopped engaging you for the health of my brain cells, but I'm torn between comedy and health.
1. There are what we call indications for alternative blood transfusion. Indications mean instances where they are given. Acute blood loss requires blood, especially in this part of the world. If you Max(in Nigeria), have an acute blood loss and request for artificial blood instead of real blood, you'll surely bleed to death. No caps. Even though they are trying to make better blood substitutes, they are not readily available in Nigeria due to our problems. So what are you gonna do?
2. If you can read, which I doubt you do, you'll see there has been research on going for blood substitutes since the 15th century, well before JW rascals came on this earth. And this researches have been providing blood substitutes which is almost like the real blood(but not quite). And they keep on doing their work. So which JW taught them? Do you guys even fund any of those researches?
I don't feel like cussing you out but keep on exposing your ignorance for my risible pleasure.

Guy you're a real novice!

JWs have all what it takes to rescue any patient without blood transfusion but since your brains has been programmed to think blood transfusion can save you i'll allow you continue in your folly.
Whatever kills a patient with our alternative remedies will surely kill anyone whether you infuse blood into their nose or brains!

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, what scenario did Serena have that she received alternative blood transfusion? Even the doctors in the US would tell you there are limitations to those alternatives and being in a reseource poor environment like Nigeria, you won't have it handy. Take for example Erythropoietin and iron sucrose . Its very costly and thus not easily available. It costs 40k to 50k weekly. And given 2x weekly. And guess what, this is for chronic anemia which happens in kidney disease or cancer.
In acute anemia, you need blood, straight up . Ask any doctor you meet. Also ask your Kingdom hall pastors(or whatever you call them),if they are honest, they'll tell you its not indicated in all cases of blood loss or anemia.
2. When you say White Supremacist gave us crap I laugh at you. Are those 8 bald headed vultures in the US that control your brain cells blacks? But if they tell you, "Max stop eating" you'll gladly ask them "for how many days?"
Unfortunately I'm not built that way. I have a thinking machine sitting on my neck. I ask questions.
Also those 'White Supremacists' gave us modern medicine. The thing with medicine is it works in any part of the world you are in. So you cant use a different drug for different ailments. Its the same. The issue is availability. There are better blood alternatives in the US, even though they take the place of real blood. But those alternatives aren't available for the average Nigerian here.
Your Serena Williams didn't have those scenarios I listed there, so please shove your ignorance where the sun don't shine

Sorry with your scenario i'm not interested!

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, come and settle what you started here
https://www.nairaland.com/7224422/what-benefits-islam-brought-nigeria/86#120273402

Attention seeker with nothing tangible to say!

tctrills:
But it seems you don't know what you are preaching. How can you tell Ecclesiastes is not a parable but Peter is a parable

At least millions across the globe have learned to become peacelovers through what we preach and teach!

Oteneaaron feels like supporting tctrills against Max but don't know how to come into the matter, after all he claims Jesus and the Bible is a scam but now he wants to argue in support of scam!

tctrills:
Loool
I have always depended on the bible not on guesswork so you are the dishonest one here.

Go out there and preach what you know!

tctrills:
Simple question how do you decide which one is the parable.

Intelligent question!

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth {Genesis 1:1} all what concerns man and his living is right here on earth and at death man return to the ground {Genesis 3:19} out of which he was taken {Genesis 2:7} the force powering his breathe returns to the one who gave him! Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 12:7

That's what all the prophets believe and thought until Jesus came teaching in parables {Matthew 13:13, 34 compare to Psalms 78:2} that's why his disciples needs to learn from him how to use parables in their teachings as well.

So whenever we read anything in the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) that's not in harmony with what we have found in the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) then we know it's in parables that we need to find out it's meaning by the help of God's Holy Spirit.

Do you want me to test your ability on things found written in the Christian Greek Scriptures most especially in the Bible book of Revelation?

Please don't say you can't explain and it must be rendered unexplainable because we must preach and teach to convince all our listeners that our book (Bible) makes perfect sense!

So are you ready?

tctrills:
You use guesswork to decide which is a parable.
Oga, you are only qouting a verse from Ecclesiastes. You are not quoting all the prophets and clearly you don't understand what you are quoting.
The same Ecclesiastes says the spirit goes back to God.
Your point is, Ecclesiastes could not be a parable but Christ word is a parable and same with Peter?
So you use guesswork to decide which is a parable

So if at death the spirits goes back to God then who are the spirits Jesus was preaching to in the heart of the earth (grave)?
Perhaps God himself is no longer living in heaven {Psalms 115:16} but in the grave shey?

If you keep arguing blindly you can never ever understand anything in our book: Bible!

tctrills:
So you think Revelations 20.10 is a parable but
Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 is not a parable, why?
Is 1 Peter 3.18 -20 also a parable?
How about 1peter 4:6, is it also a parable?

The DEAD are unconscious that's what all the prophets believe and thought before Jesus came using parables to teach.
So if anything is found in his teachings that contradicts what the prophets have said with inspiration then it simply means parables!

tctrills:
So the bible is lying.
Read again 1 Peter 4.6

Jesus was DEAD for three days and in the grave there's no activity {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} it's not rocket science my guy this is accurate knowledge. You can't just pick up a verse and trash the other you must strike a balance.

If the dead can't do anything and Jesus was dead then anything said about him while in the grave are spoken in parables. Simple as ABC!

tctrills:
It doesn't matter. The goal here is to educate you on the bible. Both responses would be of help to you. Its only for you good.

Get used to the fact that it's only when you're sincere with yourself that you can gain wisdom not when you're deceiving yourself claiming you're catching fun!

oteneaaron:
But nobody is trying to make you leave the organization Why do you feel that way?

OK so all religions are good to go no matter what they believe, is that what you're saying now?

Then why call out JWs over what we believe?

You really lack common sense walahi talahi!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
See you here insulting another man but when someone else pays you back in your coin, you start complaining. I thought you were supposed to do to others what you would have them to do you.

He claims to be a Christian, disciple of the most wonderful counselor of all time.
So if he's not a fool he supposed to prove me wrong in what i presented to him.
Ọmọ this one no concern you because Paul called Galatians "FOOLISH" for holding onto a wrong notion yet claiming they're Christians! Galatians 3:1

oteneaaron:
I thought this context might help.

The only way to help a REAL JW get out of the organization is to present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses.
For instance try to agree on terms and conditions of worship with tctrills then come back to me and prove that you guys aren't confused! Luke 11:23

MightySparrow:
Learning from a wrong teacher?

Can you prove this wrong?

MaxInDHouse:
Oníṣègùn ~ doctor treating people with medicine.

Adáhunṣe ~ doctor treating (only) himself and his family.

Ẹni tí ó mọ oògùn tí ó sì lè dáa ṣe fún ara rẹ̀ ni Yorùbá ń pè ní Adá-ohun-ṣe.

Well once you're still foolish after 40 there's no remedy!

According to the founder of Christianity none of his true disciples can justify raising weapons against anyone due to faith! Matthew 26:52 compare to Matthew 5:43-38

So it's impossible for REAL Christians to be part of wars!

sonmvayina:
So is that why you choose paganism?

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni suit yourself.
You're a pagan from my point of view!

Guy double response to a single post as usual!

tctrills:
Lol you and guesswork. The bible clearly stated he went to preach to the spirits in prison.
Now let me use your own argument on you.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 could easily be a parable. Remember Christ is the word of God and all revelations come from Christ.
Since you believe that every revelation from Christ is a parable, then according to your argument, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 is a parable.
But thanks to the words of Peter, we receive more truth.
Read the verse below and learn the word of God.
1 Peter 4.6
In fact, this is why the good news was declared also to the dead,+ so that although they are judged in the flesh from the standpoint of men, they might live in harmony with the spirit from God’s standpoint

I quoted this directly from the JW bible. The gospel is taught also to the dead. So you are so wrong.
I advise you read verse 5 first. You would learn that God would judge both the living and the dead. This tells you that you are wrong all along. Even the dead would be judged. And the gospel is taught to the dead.

tctrills:
Again you apply your funny guesswork. The bible says he preach to the spirits not his demise was a warning. Let's stick to the bible oga.

There you go again!
Jesus was DEAD, he was helpless so it couldn't have been preaching literally!

tctrills:
Now you are not making a reasonable point. We know that no revelation from Genesis to revelations could be received without Jesus Christ that's not the argument. We are simply telling you that John received a vision, he was not told a parable.
So clearly you are off point.

Before Jesus came all the prophets received information that they can explain except Daniel who heard and saw visions but was told that he must wait until the resurrection before he could understand what he was shown! Daniel 12:8-13
But from the time God dispensed His holy spirit on the Jewish disciples of Christ many things were written in parables because their teacher taught in parables. So you can't grasp what he told them if you're not ready to humbly learn from them!

MightySparrow:
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Hahaha

Oldage doesn't make you wise but humility and readiness to learn!

jaephoenix:
I thought you guys said they are gods own people?

Well you misconstrued what we said!

God chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob only the obedient ones among the descendants of Jacob are God's own people not the whole nation of Israel.
Now according to the history of that nation only few have been faithful while majority are faithless that's why God kept dealing with them harshly!

Even the atheist using double accounts to chat with me thought i haven't discovered.
This is really hilarious!

tctrills:
No not only chapter one.
There are chapters Christ spoke and chapters where John saw a vision. Please read Chapter 20.
Below is the first verse.
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
It was John speaking here not Jesus Christ. He is telling you what he saw.
Just read, you would understand.

Ọmọ you forgot the title giving to Jesus shey?

Well he is the "WORD of God" {John 1:1} and nobody gets anything from God if not through Jesus {John 14:6} so read chapter 1:1 of Revelation again and think of anything John could have received or seen without Jesus been the one showing him!

tctrills:
He was preaching to the spirits in prison.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa.
His demise became a warning to rebellious angels that it's possible to send them back to none existence. That's what it means.

Throughout those three days Jesus was DEAD as in can't do anything according to what God's word said about those in the grave! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

tctrills:
Yes he met spirits in prison.
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
So the idea that one must be in earth or heaven is false. Where did Christ go when he died?

He was helplessly in his grave until God raised him from among the dead!

tctrills:
Are you confused. Jesus Christ spoke in Revelations 1.1 but chapter 20 was a vision not words. Please read. In chapter 1, John heard the voice of Christ but in chapter 20, he was shown the future. Christ did not speak.
Do you now understand it.
You are welcome.

So it was only chapter one that Jesus spoke shey?

You're just trying to argue blindly!

Jesus was the one speaking throughout that book except few words spoken by his father which Jesus transmitted to John!

tctrills:
Oga please read 1 Peter 3. 18-20 Jesus Christ went to the spirits in prison. I am not like you. I don't guess

Quote it out where it was WRITTEN that he MET with spirits in prison!

tctrills:
Oga, no one was talking to John in that Chapter. He was seeing a vision not hearing a voice. Jesus was not talking to him.

Revelations 1:1

tctrills:
Good, yet, he was not among living humans in those 3 days. He MET with spirits in prison. So being cut off from the earth does not mean dead even from the verses you read.

Now you're GUESSING!

Where is the highlighted found in your Bible?