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FxMasterz:
He was obviously using his defective logic to interpret scriptures. Meanwhile Jesus said 'Let little children come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of God." Who is he to call them God's enemies when God said they're His friends? My dear MaxinDHouse, this is one of the things I was telling you about.

So He destroyed all His friends along with evildoers in the days of Noah shey?

tctrills:
Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin. Psalms 51:5
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 Its hard to know which of you have the JW position. Now read from your JW version of the bible Jesus, however, said: “Let the young children alone, and do not try to stop them from coming to me, for the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to such ones.
Is it clear to you now from your own version of the bible?

Is God's Kingdom for children or adults that humbly made themselves teachable like children?

FxMasterz:
Ask your questions please.

What will happen to none Christians that are nice people but born in different religions?

FxMasterz:
The works of faith are very clear and well established in scripture. You can't even teach me that. For you to tell me that I don't know anything about the works of faith is already a sign that you must have been deceived to believe that you're the only ones who have knowledge.

Ọmọ you don't believe Jesus but if you feel like you do i have few questions to help you grasp that you do not.
Are you ready?

tctrills:
Babies do not commit sin

Go and preach what you think you know out there quoting whatever you believe but to all JWs the Bible's standards which is:

Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin. Psalms 51:5

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

That's why Jesus referred to all those who aren't learning from him:

“Let the dead bury their dead" Luke 9:60

Go and gather yourselves more all your mouths will be silenced! Isaiah 54:17

GeeM:
with the recent happenings going on in the world, has Rapture taken place

If you mean the movement of the dead in Christ YES! They left this planet more than 100 years ago.

tctrills:
You and Janosky seem to be in different JW sects. You believe all babies are God's enemies he believes that only the babies of the evil are God's enemies.
I think from now on, I would view you guys differently.
Now to you, Do you believe that babies commit sin? You qouted Romans 3.23 so I believe you do.

Janosky spoke from the perspective of a parent who is FAITHFUL, my child is God's enemy from conception but due to being a faithful servant of God such a fetus is in my plan that whatever it will cost me i must make sure i inculcate in him God's standard.
So unlike the children of a faithless miscreant who is DEAD {Luke 9:60} my own child is already a prospective JW but then like the powerful archer {Psalms 127:3-4} i must do everything manly possible to inculcate the laws of my God in him otherwise i will miss him in God's Kingdom! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

OK nah!

Reflect7:
There is no such thing as 'death'.

There is only transition.

MATTER CANNOT BE DESTROYED.

It can only be transformed into another state.

Go and study the accounts of Near Death Experiencers.

On this website there are over 5,000 accounts by NDEs from all over the world, confirming that death does not exist.

And you do NOT need to 'believe' in 'Jesus' or ANYBODY including God Himself, to transit upon passing.

WE ARE POWERFUL, IMMORTAL SOULS having a temporal 'human' experience.

We ALL live forever.

https://www.nderf.org/

Ken4Christ:
You are still in the dark and you don't know how dark your darkness is.

Pastor HellFire!

tctrills:
I see you answered question 3 but skipped the rest. So let me ask a different question to you. Is a 2 months old JW baby also God's enemy?

"ALL have sinned" {Romans 3:23} even including babies in the womb! Psalms 51:5

You're just displaying your ignorance more and more on this forum despite claiming you believe (trust) in what the Bible teaches!

tctrills:
Romans 6.23 is not in dispute. Even you sin I only asked you a question and it seems you did not understand it so let me break it down in to more questions.
1. Are children from God?
2. Are children gifts and heritage from God?
3. Are children God's enemies.
Note: your brother Janosky thinks it's only the Wicked that are enemies to God. So when you say all have sinned, does that include the children of JW members?

Why do you think we are working really hard to teach them God's standard? Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Ọmọ they are God's enemies that's why we must work really hard to make them God's friends {Proverbs 22:6; Psalms 127:4} God even told us that foolishness is tied in their hearts! Proverbs 22:15

So if you can't figure it out yourself i can't help you further!

Esortigress:
Maybe he lost it at some point, I believe he can still be redeemed

My SB, Jesus said:

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come" Matthew 12:31-32

Of course anyone can say Jesus is a satanist if Jesus only perform miracles but his miracles have nothing tangible to do with the promise of God, it could be taken as magic practicing!

But when Jesus points to the prophecies that foretold the activities of Christ which he is fulfilling whoever speaks against such fulfilment is sinning against God's Holy Spirit because Jesus can't do anything without God's Holy Spirit so those kicking against the WORKS he's doing after seeing it written in the Bible so they can't be forgiven.

The only way out for achorladey is if he could present a better performing group that's doing what the Bible foretold as WORKS or FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit so as to counter JW org!

Esortigress:
Achorladey are you an atheist or not? Answer yes or no

$1,000,000 question!

Esortigress:
🤣🤣🤣 my SD must have really dealt with you to have been this paranoid

Please ask him to tell you how any sane human can go on supporting all the enemies of a group who often claim the group belongs to Satan but when asked:
"Do you worship the same God as that group?"

Achorladey couldn't respond YES or NO yet he's always in support of all those calling JW org Satan's organization even when those ones publicly declared they're not worshiping the same God with JWs

Ever since that day i told him straightforward that he is the complete definition of insanity so i keep ignoring him like any sane individual will avoid a madman!

jaephoenix:
Logic has never been your favorite suit, bro

Sit yourself there's no need arguing with you because you're the same person i have been avoiding!

tctrills:
So the JW conclusion is that all children are God's gifts and heritage and all children belong to him yet they are His enemies. Am I quoting you right?

Quote God's word and explain to yourself!

All have sinned (including all the babies in the world) and fallen short of God's glory! Romans 6:23

So go and figure it out yourself!

Jackanda1:
You're wrong. That scripture of 1corinthian13:8-10 doesn't say the gifts of the spirit HAS ended. Instead It says that they WILL end/cease. The holy spirit still distributes gifts to the church today. The writter was trying to point out that love was more important than spiritual gifts.

It's OK!

Guy you don't know anything about the FRUIT of FAITH!

There are lot of nice people in all the religions on this planet so if that's what you call the fruit of faith then forget about Jesus because then you have nothing to prove that it's only through Jesus that people can be saved unless what you find written in the Bible, meanwhile all other religions also have something nice to say about their faith!

FxMasterz:
I maintain that Jehovah Witnesses have not produced any work of faith as seen in the Bible. I have seen many Christians who exhibit the likeness of Christ in their day to day relationships with people. If you're being told that only JWs produce works of faith, that's a blatant lie. The works I've seen so far being produced by the JWs that I have had the opportunity to meet and interact with are nothing to write home about. They first pretend to be very nice people but once you get closer to them, they'll show you their true colors.

Jackanda1:
So, did i recieve the infilling of the spirit at that time? Is it possible to be filled with the holyspirit without recieving any of his gifts like speaking in tongues?

There are GIFTS of God's Holy Spirit as well as FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit.

The GIFTS has stopped since 2,000 years ago so don't let anyone deceive you that you can have any supernatural gift because it has ceased! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

But as for the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit this one will continue to time indefinite that's why Jesus foretold that it's by the FRUIT (not GIFTS) of different sects you will know which is of God and which is not of God! Matthew 7:15-18

If you want further clarification feel free to ask!

FxMasterz:
I disagree with you. I can't see any work of faith produced by any JW member anywhere. Even here on Nairaland, I see you and your fellows fighting and insulting people who criticise your views. I'm sure you guys are very pretentious but the truth is that apart from the heresy of your ways, your lack of godly characters betrays you.

My guy that's not how to evaluate the WORKS of FAITH!

Individual Christians in the first century also behave the same way JWs here do behave so don't deceive yourself with how imperfect humans reciprocate to the insults from unbelievers.

Do you want to know what the Bible refer to as WORKS (FRUIT) of FAITH that no other group has been able to produce apart from Jehovah's Witnesses?

tctrills:
We both agree with all you have written so back to my question. Are Children still God's heritage? Are they still his reward? Did the sin of Adam prevent them from being his heritage and his reward?
In fact, one does not need to be a JW to know and agree with all you have written but I need you to address my questions.

tctrills:
The children people are bearing aren't theirs but God's so like a strong archer parents should be skillful in directing their children (not to do their own will) but the will of God. Proverbs 22:6
I love this your quote. So all children come from God, right? The children don't belong to us but to God. Since we both agree then is JW telling us that these children belong to God but they are his enemies and he gives them to us as gifts yet somehow, they are his heritage (special possessions)?
I just want to be sure that we understand ourselves.

The ability to reproduce has been GIVEN to Adam and all his descendants that's the GIFT but then as descendants of Adam all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so death rules as King among Adam's descendants {Romans 5:17} JEHOVAH is not the God of the dead but of the living {Luke 20:38} only those who have built a relationship with Him are living to Him because their names has been written in His memory book {Malachi 3:16 compare to John 11:25} but all others including babies who never built a relationship with Him are DEAD from God's viewpoint! Luke 9:60

So even though all human lives belongs to God (not only babies) yet all are His enemies until they're able to build a relationship with Him like Abel did and His name was written as the first Jehovah's Witness among Adam's descendants! Hebrews 11:4

FxMasterz:
A doctrine isn't heretic just because it's strange to me or because I've not heard it before. Just like the Berean church, every new doctrines must be confirmed by scripture. That's what the Pharisees failed to do in Christ's time that made them see Him as an heretic. However, those who took their time to look into the script found out that He was of the truth. Your case isn't so. The doctrines he alluded to on your website have no Biblical basis. They're heretic for that sole reason.

The Pharisees surely studied the scriptures more than anyone else in the first century {Luke 11:49} the only problem they had was denying what God promised as sign of the presence of the Christ!

So if Jesus quotes a verse Pharisees will also quote another to counter it but one thing is missing in them: they can't correlate what they're practicing with what God's word foretold about His future worshipers. That is what Jesus meant when he said:

"Do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me. But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.” John 10:36-38

Do you notice that Pharisees also claim Jesus was teaching HERESY?
So what has Jesus got to say in defense since the Jews found his teachings to be heretic?
He reminded them of what God promised about the time when the Christ will walk through the land of Israel, so instead of arguing with Jesus what they need to consider is the WORKS of FAITH that Jesus was doing and establishing. Matthew 7:16-18

Today there are so many signs fulfilling in the WORKS of FAITH done by Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:18-26

So if anyone wants to convince others that JWs are heretic in their teachings let such a person present a performing group that's producing the fruit of faith in our time!

Esortigress:
Well if you can't deny it then it simply means you are indirectly proving him right.

Adam can't say God doesn't exist but he wants no one to tell him how to deal with others so an atheist may claim he believes in God yet he will never agree to subject himself under the same rule. That's what Satan meant when he told Eve:

"You will be like God, knowing good and bad" Genesis 3:5

All atheists are seriously interested in politics because they want to dictate for others but they're not ready to bear the same burden that they lay on others! Luke 11:46

So they feel really bad seeing people humbly and heartily subjecting themselves to the same line of thought {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10} they wonder how they could catch such ones to obey them but since that's not possible they speak abusively {1Peter 4:4} of the faith producing such fine FRUIT! Matthew 7:16-18
God morning my SB!

tctrills:
Are children still gifts and heritage of God or did the Adamic sin stop them from being God's gift and heritage.
Note: psalms 127.3 was written hundreds of years after the Adamic sin.

Well all you need is humble yourself and learn from Jehovah's Witnesses because that book you're quoting is written by our people so only members of our organization can teach you what is in our book: Bible!

Let's study that chapter from verse one to the end instead of cherry picking a verse out of context!

Unless Jehovah builds the house, It is in vain that its builders work hard on it. Unless Jehovah guards the city, It is in vain that the guard stays awake. 2 It is in vain that you rise up early, That you stay up late, That you toil for your food, Since he provides for his loved ones while giving them sleep.
Raising and Training children is like building a house or watching over a city so the builder or watchman will labour in vain if care is not taken!

3 Look! Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah; The fruit of the womb is a reward. 4 Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man, So are the sons of one’s youth.
The children people are bearing aren't theirs but God's so like a strong archer parents should be skillful in directing their children (not to do their own will) but the will of God. Proverbs 22:6


5 Happy is the man who fills his quiver with them. They will not be put to shame, For they will speak with enemies in the city gate.

Whoever succeed in doing this will receive a prize because by the time Satan is stealing the ones who aren't taught God's will and making them a menace in the society so that their parents are crying and wailing due to killings here and there which is Satan's work {John 8:44} parents whose children has been taught God's word from infancy will become a blessing in the society! 2Timothy 3:15-17

That's the import of what David said in that Psalm!

God never intended speaking to all humans, he made Adam the first man so that through Adam all humans could be informed regarding what God says about right and wrong towards our fellow man. But Adam rebelled against God so after dismissing him God stopped talking to Adam. That was how Adam lost the privilege of being the mediator between God and his children. That doesn't stop God from communicating with obedient descendants of Adam so each time God speaks to His people through prophets {Hebrews 1:1} until Jesus came and after Jesus no prophet in Israel heard anything from God again only Jesus' disciples were getting divine guidance and it's coming through Jesus to them! Matthew 18:20 compare to John 14:6

Jesus kept speaking to his disciples until the time he revealed what will happen after the death of his twelve apostles to John the apostle! Revelations 1:1

In concluding that book Jesus said:

“I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll" Revelations 22:18-19

This means whatever mankind needs to know about our future has been completely revealed in this book and sealed. So there won't be anything like direct communication between man and God again if anyone wants to hear God let him read his Bible carefully, study it diligently, meditate on it thoroughly and pray fervently to God for understanding such a person will gain the accurate knowledge of God {Proverbs 2:1-5} anyone hearing voices today from the spirit realms is hearing demons not God or Jesus!

bobestman:
LOL and i keep debunking your lies biblically. Going to heaven is a christian idea not my idea cos i am not a churchian. The bible says the meek/humble/righteous shall inherit the earth. It didn't attach any denomination or JWs. You guys should go wherever, the earth belong to us and we will turn it into a paradise - heaven on earth

It's just a pity that you've been misinformed.
Jehovah's Witnesses from the time of Abel till John the baptist believe in Paradise on earth Jesus only promised his co-rulers that instead of Jerusalem which has been cursed due to the blood of God's servants slain in that city he will go and prepare a government house for them in heaven and also come back to take them there {John 14:6} that is why some Christians (not all) are going to heaven. But as regards the reward for righteousness what God promised us is everlasting life here on planet earth! Psalms 37:29 compare to Matthew 5:5

Do you now see the difference between JWs and misinformed Churchgoers?

tctrills:
So let's summarize
Children are God's gift (reward) to man.
Children are God's heritage (special possession)
And at the same time they are God's enemies according to you.
So in short, JWs believe that God's gift and special possession is also his enemy.
Am I correct in my summary of your beliefs?

They are gifts from God in the sense that they came as a result of the ability God gave humans to reproduce but through Adamic sin they've become God's enemies awaiting death anytime anyday at any point in their life! Romans 5:12

Ken4Christ:
How can people be this gullible?

I wonder how you can be so gullible like this even though it's evident that your HellFire case is a lie you just feel like it should be real!

Reflect7:
Honestly, the idea that grown men actually believe this fcking GARBAGE says a lot about how easy it is to brainwash and condition human beings.Oh, 'Jesus' ''died'' for 'our sins'.But 'Jesus' woke up on the 3rd day.So what kind of 'death' is that?Why didn't 'Jesus' just go to sleep for three days and come out?What is the difference?RUBBISH.

Whether you like it or not people will continue to think about Jesus of Nazareth so instead of becoming a sadist over what others believe go and do your business because each person you see have the freedom of speech, expression, worship and association, you are also free to do whatever pleases you as long as you don't hurt others!

Aemmyjah:
What a shame
If you like, disguise anyhow you wish, you are still the same masquerade
What did the first update say?
Mad Courz was blowing hot
The next update came, he did not seem to watch it. Do we need any grants or whatever to keep doing the Lord's work?
All we want is our freedom to preach peacefully

Whenever i respond to his post i only wants to make him cry the more because i've discovered that he feels like killing JWs around him despite the fact that he couldn't find any other religious group of peace loving people.

So he's sinning against God's Holy Spirit all he needs now is either we ignore him completely or punish him the more by detonating his missiles anytime he comes up to malign God's people!

Creation is what often comes to the minds of many at the mention of that title "GOD" it's normal to reason that way after all there are lots of unanswered questions locked up in the brains of intelligent beings.
But what we should be concerned about mostly is that which affects or threatens our peace! Whether creation or BigBang we are here already so how do we cohabit peacefully without having to think of fear of our fellow human?
Today billions of people throughout the world are residing in places where ferocious breasts are scared of coming so we settle in places where we can wake up and come out of our doors confident that lions, tigers, wolves and other predators are far away even though we know they exist on the same planet.
But then we still build destructive weapons in anticipation of killing our own race and many have gone into the wild to bring to their homes predators and caged them despite living inside cages themselves out of fear of their own neighbours who are supposed to be loving, caring and hospitable humans!

I think that's what we should concentrate on now as intelligent beings if we all want peace why is it difficult for us to live together as one big and happy family of peace loving beings?