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You just feel like arguing blindly!

tctrills:
God's word said the evil would be punished and tormented forever. It also says all would be resurrected.

Still the bible teaches he is a son of God, are you calling the bible a lie?

It means nothing stop bringing up irrelevant things. We have a lot of relevant things to discuss so stop distracting.

You remind me of the Jews. John 8:33
“We are the descendants of Abraham,” they answered,

Aemmyjah:
He wants us to believe that Adam who is now dusts has sentenced his children to whom he passed sin and Imperfection to a destiny of the lake of fire. Adam and Eve did not go to hellfire but it is us that God will put in hellfire and the one influencing us to sin with his demons will enjoy cooking us for all eternity. As they are cooking us, they too will in turn be cast into the same hot pot
See how people think my Bible tells me that the wages of SIN is death and EVERLASTING LIFE IS A GIFT not PUNISHMENT. Abi, Jehovah wants to use that gift to harm billions?

That's what arrogance does to people.
Instead of humbly learning from those who knows better than him he just feel he can figure everything out all by himself but when they now find people preaching zealously and industriously teaching what they know he wants them to be in the same condition like himself. That's why he often say he's not here to preach or teach but to catch fun!

You don't know what Christianity is all about!

tctrills:
If you have the Holy spirit you wouldn't say that Jesus Christ Parables contradict his words. And you won't call him a liar.

God's word said death is the punishment for sin {Genesis 2:17} and at death there is no activity! Ecclesiastes 9:6
So whatever Jesus said that contradicts this must be a parable!

tctrills:
The bible calls Solomon a son of God but JW say he is not. Oga any intelligent person would stick to the bible.

Solomon is a child born in sin so he's not worth what we are saying right now! Romans 3:23

tctrills:
Paul omitted so many people so your argument here is not sound.

Omitting the names of the first three humans in the Bible means a lot to any right thinking person!

tctrills:
Now you are God to decide what punishment to give right?God said the wicked would be tormented forever but JW say God does not have the right to punish them more than Adam.

I am Abraham's descendants by faith so i can tell you what our God can and what He will never ever do! Genesis 18:25

bobestman:
you once asked for it and i told you. You turned a blind eye cos you were ashamed. Go and dig it out. It is in this post

What book? What chapter and verse is it written that the Messiah has a wife and son o?

Courz:
Mad MaxInDHouse aka Maximus 69 The Fraud aka AkinwaleJjj, if your wife gives birth and a visitor comes to your house and calls your baby Enemy of God, what will you do? Will you agree with the person as you agreed with Your Freemason god Stephen? Mumu! Look at you in the below screenshot. Big Mumu!

Default mode!
Quoting and editing people's comments!

Na so he dey pain you?
I thought you asked me a question and i responded!
So you mean i shouldn't have responded even though you mentioned me shey?

Ọmọ i'm a thousand times smarter than you and all your atheist family out together!
If you don't want me to quote or mention you then stop mentioning me.
I know how my comments boils in your veins so you now know the reason why i'm striving to inculcate in my own child the laws of God!

Courz:
Mad MaxInDHouse aka Maximus 69 The Fraud aka AkinwaleJjj, what are you doing with so called faithless miscreants? I thought you said you don't have time for people you call Faithless Miscreants. Can you see that you are obsessed with us? Can you see that you refused to obey your own Faithless Miscreants Slave not to have discussions with people like us! That is because you learn so much from us. I told you you can't do without us in this forum. If you like, boast up and down and claim you don't have our time, you will still come back to wherever we are, even if we are under a rock, you will still find us to teach you a lot about your Destructive Cult. Since you have refused to stay away from faithless miscreants, you have now become one of us. Don't worry. We have more exposures about your Satanic Cult. Sit tight.

Courz:
if your wife gives birth and a visitor comes to your house and calls your baby Enemy of God, what will you do? Will you agree with the person as you agreed with Your Freemason god Stephen?

I don't even need anyone to tell me that my little baby is an enemy of God because that's why i am striving really hard to inculcate in him that he is evil if he fails to live by the standard set by the one and only righteous God! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

bobestman:
That is a secret hidden from you christians. Many hebrew know. Did you ever go thru the references i cited in that comment? It was clearly explained with references. Your level of understanding is what matters. When i told you that you christians only know about 30% of what is in that bible, you think am joking. When the truth begins to come out, you may hang yourself cos of shame

Guy quote where he dey inside Bible!

Kobojunkie:
1. All I have put forth are benefits to men, not to God.
2. Your child is instead prone to errors as a result of his nature. To bring an end to such errors you would need to force a different nature on your child.

So you mean all babies are prone to becoming murderers, rapists, robbers, fraudsters and so on due to the negative influence of evil things happening around them but the parents have a lot to do in training up these babies so they can become blessing instead of curses in the society. Shey?
I guess that's exactly what the man OP quoted is saying!

Aemmyjah:
Mr Courz in disguise
No positive contribution since joining NL

Please leave him alone. If he say he's not oteneaaron at least he supposed to make his own contributions to threads where oteneaaron directly challenged the Bible since he claims he's also a believer in Christ!

tctrills:
The guesswork people

That's what God's Holy Spirit does it teaches us what can't be disputed even though you may like to argue it you can't find a rebuttal!

tctrills:
Solomon is also a son of God so you have no point. 1 Chronicles 22.10

Solomon is born a sinner {Psalms 51:1} so he's not fit to be called God's Son in this respect Sir! Romans 3:23

tctrills:
This is a most stupid argument. There are millions of good people whose names were not mentioned in Hebrew 11 for example, Job was not mentioned.

Lack of intelligence!
Adam, Eve and Cain first lived before Abel yet Paul omitted the three only to start mentioning Jehovah's Witnesses from Abel being the first {Hebrews 11:4} Ọmọ you need JWs to teach you many things about our history! Hebrews 12:1

tctrills:
Oga the word Ultimate is not written in the Christian bible. JW added this. remember the curse for adding to the bible? It seems you are trying to manipulate the written word of God. You don't even mind forgery just to make a sad point. You guys are just like the average criminal Nigerian political. You are prepared to forge your own bible just for argument's sake. It is sick

Adam is the first sinner and the punishment of his sin is DEATH {Genesis 2:17; 3:19} so all those inheriting sin from him can't be given additional punishment that's what intelligence and wisdom means! Romans 6:7

Lots of sacred secrets are been revealed on this thread so now many people thinking babies are angels now know that they're God's enemies not until they're taught God's laws to live in harmony with it that they can become God's friends! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23} so at death man's sin has been fully paid! Romans 6:7

Not all the dead will be resurrected!
Only those in God's memory book will be remembered {Job 14:13-14} billions who don't know anything about the true God will also be called back to life due to their God's given conscience which works in them like a compass {Romans 2:14-15} but as for those who deliberately chose to be evil they will never be resurrected rather they will be completely forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

tctrills:
Your bible never called Adam perfect. This is another JW guesswork. And your bible never said Christ can't redeem Adam, another guesswork

Now you know why the Bible equates Adam to Jesus {1Corinthians 15:45} for your information it simply means both are perfect humans. As both of them are God's Sons {Luke 3:38; John 3:16} any of them could bear children and their children will automatically become God's children.
Adam became father to children but they're all born in sin while Jesus also became father to children through their faith in him so unlike Adam who is now dead Jesus will last forever as the father of all those living by faith! Isaiah 9:6
That's why Paul under inspiration omitted the first three humans who lived before Abel.
Adam, Eve and Cain are excluded in God's memory book for resurrection! Hebrews 11:4

tctrills:
Secondly, Jesus Christ never said anything that is not in harmony with God's word. All his parables are in harmony with God's word. Is it the parable of the sower or the talent, all are in harmony with the word of God. You are right, his parable do not contradict the word of God. He never contradicted the word of God in Parables or in plain speech.

Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Genesis 2:16 ; Romans 6:7, 23} so anything after the death of a sinner means parables!

tctrills:
Funny guy. Who are you to decide who gets more or less punishment. Again Adam died as God pronounced so why do you have issues with Jesus Christ teaching that all would be resurrected?

You have forgotten what Abraham said when talking to his most powerful friend:

It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

Well that's why we are rightly called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because we can speak confidently about what He can do and what He will never ever do!
Adam was a perfect human before he sinned Jesus' blood can't redeem a perfect person but the imperfect ones {Matthew 9:13} so his ability to save only applies to those born sinners not perfect humans who chose to die.
For your information on the matter of redemption Adam and Jesus are equal {1Corinthians 15:45} so Jesus can't save Adam!

tctrills:
if believe that all Christ said was a parable then you are a joker.Whenever he had a parable, the bible informed us.Oga all the words of Christ are not parables.

Anything he said that's not in harmony with what God's Holy Spirit inspired the prophets to pen down {2Timithy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21} is a parable.
He forewarned his listeners that he has not come to contradict the inspired expressions of the prophets! Matthew 5:17

tctrills:
So if a JW dies in a natural disaster, he has received eternal Judgment? Or is it not God that controls the elements and nature?

Chai see reasoning o!

Ọmọ you need urgent study not just reading thinking you can figure out things on your own!

Who is in charge of this system of things? 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19
Who took Jesus to a high place within seconds? Matthew 4:8
Who rained fire to consume Job's farm? Job 1:16

Ọmọ angels have power over natural forces and they can use it against anyone that's why God warned Satan saying:

“Look! Everything that (Job) has is in your hand. Only do not lay your hand on the man himself!” Job 1:12

Because Satan has the power over natural forces but he can only kill the servants of God he can't stop God from waking them up in the resurrection! Matthew 10:28

tctrills:
First, how can you tell this is not a parable?
I see you added the word ultimate to the bible. Oga you are funny..

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you lack intelligence!

Who is the foremost sinner whose sin brought pain and untold suffering on all mankind?
Adam! Romans 5:12
So how can Adam's punishment be lesser than any of those infected by his disobedience?
That's how ULTIMATE comes in! Romans 6:23
No additional punishment could be justified if Adam the first sinner only paid death for his sin! Romans 6:7

tctrills:
Its not a parable. You need it desperately to be a parable I understand. Jesus Christ never said it was a parable.

Before his coming it has been written that he will speak in parables {Psalms 78:2 compare to Matthew 13:35} so if you're taking his words literally i pity your life! Mark 9:47

tctrills:
The JW believe that it's the innocent that would be tormented by the memory of the sinners is pure madness and it's not based in any scripture

Parables!
Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Romans 6:23} so when Jesus said those who end up in the second death will be tormented day and night forever it's a parable meaning people will always remember their stories just as we are remembering Sodom and Gomorrah as if the cities are still burning.
That's why Jesus said the smoke will continue going up forever {Revelations 19:3} because we will continue to remember what false religions caused on this planet forever!

tctrills:
Even Noah and his family got to die so what's your point. I bet Noah is no longer alive

That's what you've been thinking all this while shey?
No wonder you keep arguing blindly!


Well if you must know anyone destroyed by God received eternal judgment directly but all those dying due to Adamic sin are SLEEPING in death {John 11:11-14 compare to 1Corinthians 15:6} so they are the ones to be awaken from their long time sleep! John 5:28-29; 11:25


But as for all those God Himself destroyed in His anger as wicked people they will never ever be awaken! Psalms 9:17

Now you know!

tctrills:
Oga just because you want God's word to be a parable does not make it a parable.

I don hear you!

tctrills:
First in resurrection, their is activity also even in death, it's only the body that is inactive not the spirit 1peter 3.19-20

So in a nutshell when God told Adam:

"You will positively die" Genesis 2:17

And Satan told Eve

"You will not positively die" Genesis 3:4

God was the liar while Satan is the one saying the truth shey?

Clap for yourself!

Some people can be really funny!

Telling a JW to be reading his Bible whereas the one talking can't even remember Bible quotations talkless of explaining them like JWs do.
So who is not reading his Bible?

tctrills:
WRITTEN in parables!
Oga proof it was a parable. It was never stated that it was a parable. The bible always informs when it is a parable. Please start reading to learn these things.

If you're intelligent you will know that whenever anything is spoken that contradicts reality then the one speaking is either joking or speaking in parables!

In death there's no activity {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so when Jesus talk about someone doing anything while dead then his listeners know that he was speaking in parables! Matthew 13:13, 34

tctrills:
The bible tells that the second death would be the eternal torment of the wicked Revelations 20.10. please be reading your bible.

Ọmọ that's a PARABLE!

Reading alone is not the key to the knowledge of God rather careful reading, diligent study, thorough meditation and fervent prayer is what is required to gain ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word! Proverbs 2:1-5

tctrills:
So the notion that Christ has no bone to bear suffering is another false JW teaching.

Diversion tactics!

tctrills:
Everyone dies including babies and everyone resurrects including babies.

Only those outside the Ark were destroyed by God's anger and according to Jesus all those outside Noah's ark are God's enemies!

Walahi talahi the clown that started this really set a trap for his atheists friends and religious people who are misinformed!

Imagine atheists who already asserted that the Bible God is a monster for destroying babies in the past now coming up to argue over what they had said in the past!

Are these atheists now confused that the same God they called a monster for killing babies should change His mind or ready to know why He destroyed babies in the past?

What about misinformed religionists?

Most of them are claiming they worship the God of Abraham yet they can't understand why this God had to destroy babies in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek and even the Israelites babies.
In fact God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ even confirmed that his father will still repeat what he did to babies in Noah's days {Luke 17:26-27} Jesus specifically mentioned that babies will also be destroyed! Luke 21:23

I can imagine rebellious people outside Noah's ark lifting their babies up perhaps God will have mercy on their babies and spare the little ones after all they never had the opportunity to listen and act on what Noah preached to their evil parents but instead the flood destroyed them along with those babies! Luke 17:27

So if someone now open our eyes regarding God's viewpoint of babies that they're enemies of God until they learn how to become His friends just as Noah's daughters in law became God's friends through the faith of their father in law (Noah)

Shouldn't everyone rejoice over this eye opener instead of accusing the one who spoke these things to help us?

Let those having ears listen!

tctrills:
You believe he would even destroy innocent babies. Baba your God is wicked. I worship a God that would punish only the evil, not babies.

He destroyed babies in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek even when the Jews became rebellious.
So stop deceiving yourself!

tctrills:
You talk as a child. Every single day, Jesus Christ watches billions of humans suffer of sickness, poverty, wars, heartbreaks, and so on.

That's why he laid down his life to end it once and for all time so that when God's Kingdom comes all those things will be gone for good!

tctrills:
gnashing their teeth it's not about what I think it's clearly written in your bible.

Illustration!

tctrills:
gnashing their teeth it's not about what I think it's clearly written in your bible.

Death is the opposite of life so there's nothing happening to anyone who has died. That's why the Bible calls the ultimate judgment "Second Death" {Revelations 20:14} no literal teeth gnashes there!

tctrills:
Its funny you asked this question because we have both answered it. All have sinned so all would return to the dust. That includes you. Does that answer your question now?
Now the bible did not tell how long they would be in the dust. But the bible teaches that the earth would give up it's dead. All would be resurrected and judged. Everything I have said is written in your bible.

WRITTEN in parables!

When God began working on His plan to save (obedient) mankind He called out one pagan called Abraham and introduced Himself to him then promised to save the entire inhabited earth through this man! Genesis 12:1-3

Because Abraham heed God's call God made a lasting covenant with this man and centuries later the descendants of Abraham were called out of Egypt under slavery. As a nation God now establish His covenant with the children of Jacob (Israel) who is the son of Isaac who is the son of Abraham.

The night God established this everlasting covenant He ordered them to kill a year old sheep or goat for the preparation of their deliverance from bondage in Egypt this became a festival to be commemorated yearly in remembrance of the freedom of God's people.


So it was exactly that date (Nisan 14) that Jesus surrendered himself to be executed for the salvation of (obedient) mankind, that's the importance of Jesus' sacrificial death.

But the problem is that Satan misled people to doing things wrongly instead of obeying Jesus' command on how to commemorate this date many religious people and groups now celebrate so many things in Jesus' name.

So the period which supposed to be for what Jesus commanded has been turned into the worship of a pagan goddess: Ishtar!

Below is the artistic impression of the goddess Ishtar worshiped around the world now called "Easter"

The OP just caused a lot of trouble for atheists and churchgoers!

As Adam's descendants all humans are sinners sentenced to death from the day they're born {Romans 3:23; 5:12 compare to Psalms 51:5} so all their babies are also doomed that's why many were destroyed in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek even when Jerusalem was destroyed.

So how do we cross from being God's enemies to become God's friends?

Due to His underserved kindness God showed mercy to all descendants of rebellious Adam by setting up a nation and introduced Himself to them, He gave them laws depicting His likes and dislikes, only those adhering to His standard have crossed the line.

So even if anyone is a descendant of Abraham but failed to adhere to God's righteous standard such a person remains God's enemy {Matthew 3:7-10} and all the descendants of such a person too no matter their age even a minute old baby.

That's what Jesus told the Israelites that they shouldn't consider their children safe when God's anger comes {Luke 23:28-29} because only those adhering to the message he came to deliver will be saved.

Therefore babies of Israelites who are supposed to be God's heritage will be dashed and crushed by executioners! Luke 21:23

The atheist who started this thread knows what he's doing, he just wanted to create cyber enemies against God's people for what we know and believe. The video he quoted was meant for Jehovah's Witnesses so that we can be ignited with the urgency of saving as many as we can. We shouldn't look at babies as angels to be preserved during God's anger rather we should view them as God's enemies awaiting execution if what Jesus taught isn't inculcated in their hearts or that of their parents who will in turn teach these babies.

That's the import of the video.
So if anyone feel offended by the video let him or her go and read what Jesus said about babies in Noah's days and those whose parents aren't believers in his own time then come back and ask for the full length of the video of Stephen Leth's message.

Thanks God bless you and may you have PEACE!